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Unfamiliar 1675 crown guard revisited...

January 8 2012 at 7:52 AM
Wichai  (Login speedy321)
from IP address 124.121.113.250

Hello VRF friends,

I have ask my friend (an architect) for more pictures, and he kindly goes to visit another friend who happens to be a watchmaker. Here are a set of pictures of the 1675 with unfamiliar crown guard shape.

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The watchmaker's impression:

1. Case is genuine and has been polished but not as much as to change the shape of its crown guard.
2. Serial number is 50xxxx but cannot be seen clearly.
3. He has never seen this crown guard style either.
4. Last service was perform in 1983, much before the Rolex boom.
5. The movement plates are oxidized due to water, hence the new dial and hands.

A bit more information. The current owner is a pediatrician and he bough this watch from a German medical professor while he was in Thailand 15 years ago. The German professor has passed away for quite sometime.

Again, your opinions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


Best,

Wichai















































 
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(Login roh123)
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85.229.114.82

Ouch...

January 8 2012, 8:31 AM 

Why would someone cut the crown guards off like that? Such a shame.

 
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(Login poormans)
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90.141.42.32

looks like they just been brushed down from the original shape..........

January 8 2012, 8:33 AM 

whats the serial?

so you can check how others in the same serial range look like

cheers
christian

 
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Wichai
(Login speedy321)
124.121.105.182

That's my initial reaction too...

January 9 2012, 7:40 AM 

MichaelK came along and kindly showed his immaculate example within the same serial range of 50xxxx. Again this one is different than his but Tomvox1 kindly asks for more close up pics. From the post down he feels that it does not look like a chopped one though. The situation around it does not suggest that either.

This thing was last serviced in 1983, way before the boom of Rolex. It's from West Germany. And the case is not fake either which puzzles me even more. I know that as a rule of thumb a collector should not risk his money with the curiosity but this is something interesting to ask experts around here.

I think that if I can look at another similar example then it would help a lot. Or a counter example showing a chopped PCG should also be helpful since I have not seen that before. But Christian, I am only a novice so that's not surprising.

Best,

Wichai

 
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212.152.15.221

as tom says it has still wisable damages in the crown guard area....

January 9 2012, 1:22 PM 

suggesting that is was refinished after a damage in the past

not uncomon that watches loos their original shape when deep marks/damages is taken out with brush and polish

there is better examples avaiable on sales corner

cheers
christian

 
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(Login felixhal)
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180.243.229.134

my advice is,..

January 8 2012, 9:41 AM 

stay away from it,... Move on,... There are few nice pcg on VRM you can buy.

 
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(Login polrus)
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85.133.63.222

Re: Unfamiliar 1675 crown guard revisited...

January 9 2012, 1:11 AM 

I had been watching this last week on Ebay and it has now been re-listed. Looks like a similar crown guard format?? I would steer well clear.

Cheers

Paul.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130627781347&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNARL:GB:1123

 
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Wichai
(Login speedy321)
124.121.105.182

Not really Paul. The one you refer to has a typical crown guard shape. nt.

January 9 2012, 7:16 AM 


 
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(Login tomvox1)
VRF Dial Archive Curator
96.232.167.143

Agreed, later style case w. rounded guards. Best, T. nt

January 9 2012, 7:33 AM 

nt


 
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(Login polrus)
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Re: Not really Paul. The one you refer to has a typical crown guard shape. nt.

January 10 2012, 2:02 AM 

Wichai,

Sorry I stand corrected. Learning more every day.

Regards

Paul.

 
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(Login tomvox1)
VRF Dial Archive Curator
96.232.167.143

OK, thanks for the bigger pix. The part that bothers me now...

January 9 2012, 7:32 AM 

...is the inner part of the top crown guard that is closest to the crown itself.
There is a weird nick or ding there which I don't see how it could get there with normal use.
My guess would be that the wearer of this watch deformed one of the crown guards (perhaps that top one) with rough use and that the guards were then "evened out" at service (and by a pretty good polisher) and what resulted is this "chopped", flattened look to what probably were originally normally pointed, pyramidal guards. We can also see from these better photos that the crown sits quite a bit above the guards, protruding more like halfway than a third, and that would also be consistent with some sort of grinding down of the original guards.
Unless some more examples of this strange shape come to the fore, I think that is the most likely explanation for this odd case shape.
Best of luck,
Tom



 
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Wichai
(Login speedy321)
124.121.105.182

That might be the case, thank you Tom....

January 9 2012, 7:45 AM 

So, until another one comes along then.

Thank you for your comments. Much appreciated.


Best,

Wichai

 
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