(Login tomvox1) VRF Dial Archive Curator from IP address 220.127.116.11
Since data is always better than pure conjecture here we have a sample of 5508s with Exclamation Point from both the Dial Archive & SN Database:
5508--ca. 1962, gilt dial--posted by raymondo5508:
5508--763k SN, ca. 1962, 4-line "SCOC" gilt dial--posted by Kahuna:
5508--IV.62--posted by RolexWatchTime:
5508--489,k SN [circa 1959, sold 1962]--posted by tanner
And from the SN Database:
SN:489259 III 1959 Submariner No crown guard 5508 #1530 mvmt #77565 black (faded) dial, gilt lettering and minutes track, steel mercedes hands, "Rolex" "Oyster Perpetual", "100m = 330ft" (in white lettering) "Submariner" , "Swiss" with lume dot below 6 marker
1962 Submariner No crown guard 5508 #1530 mvmt 26 jewels #92195, non-butterfly rotor, black dial, gilt(?) lettering (could be white), outer minute ring, outlines around luminous markers, steel mercedes hands, "Rolex" "Oyster Perpetual", "100m = 330ft" (in silver or lighter colored print), "Submariner", lume dot on tick mark below 6 marker, pictures do not show below 6 marker--from eBay auction w/pictures of caseback, sold by MrRolex
Small sample, I know, but interesting nonetheless.
P.S. Alas, no 6542s with Ex Point in our records!
This message has been edited by tomvox1 from IP address 18.104.22.168 on Feb 11, 2012 5:19 PM
Tom I can shoot some pics tomorrow in good light but if I remember correctly under 30x it appears to be 469,5XX. Don't quote me on that and I will confirm tomorrow.
The movement number is 3533X
Caseback is from III 59. Serviced in 1970. Hands obviously changed.
here is what I know
The original owner sent me this history of the watch
Matt, as we discussed the Rolex 5508 you purchased from me was owned by my father. Dad purchased the watch in the late 50's while on a trip to Europe (Germany, I think, but I'm not 100% sure).
My father was an hydraulic engineer with Denison Engineering, a company founded in the early 1900's. It was, I believe, originally named The Cook Motor Co. It is best known for developing the first hydraulic machine.
My father moved to Atlanta in the late 1940's to manage the southeast regional office for Denison. He moved to Cape Canaveral, Florida in 1963/1964 where he was heavily involved with the design and installation of the hydraulics in the missile launching pads. I recall meeting several of the original astronauts in the mid 60's.
Up to his death I don't remember a time being around him when he wasn't wearing the Rolex. It was certainly "well worn", with many of those years in the Florida sun.
My father died in 1981. I inherited the Rolex. Since I have owned the watch it has been worn less than 20 hours. In other words, the watch was worn every day for approximately 20 years, and then not worn much at all for the next 30 years. (Most of that time was spent in my safety deposit box or my desk drawer).
With all of my other interests (guitars, tennis, muscle cars, Lionel model trains) I had no time to take on developing a knowledge of Rolex watches, Thus, as an aficionado of vintage Rolex watches I hope you enjoy the watch. Dad would be happy that it wound up in the hands of a true Rolex fan. The funds are going toward the education of my first grandson (which would also make him happy).
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i still think, it has an easy explanation......like before.....
February 11 2012, 6:51 PM
i think it is an marketing tool for the sales/packaging guys in the factory in the transitional period, when the rolex dial printer used the old dials in changed legislative circumstances. the sales and shipping team would need a simple guide to distinguish between radium/non radium lume to send to the dealers in countries with different awareness of radium paint. here is the old post:::::::::::
something else to consider: in the transitional period the dial painter....
January 22 2012 at 6:56 PM watchyouwant (Login watchyouwant)
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Response to Whilst I dont necessarily disagree with you
may have phased out the old paint and started with the new one. and marked accordingly with dot and without dot. rolex, producing plenty of watches daily, might have ordered the dial painter to do so, because they needed an easy indication of which was which for the sales and packaging guys, who had to deliver to different world markets with different legislations.to make it simple: a dealer in nairobi would have cared less about the lume paint in the early 60´s... just another thought. kind regards. achim
I now own that 5508 you just posted #489 serial with John bull paper work. I noticed (and you also explained) the hands are steal and mine are gold. The seller Steve Mulholland posted this watch for sale as all parts are original to the watch!! What more would you be able to tell me about this watch. Bases on what I see in your picture something's not right??
So why do we not have tons of the stickers then for the 6542, 6538, 5510, 5512-13 etc?
February 12 2012, 7:55 AM
So far just one sticker showed up...And how come no one came up with a Rolex service paper saying that a dial change was done because of radiation scare on the OEM 5508 dial which was only a few years old?.
All the sticker said that is safe...not a dial change..
Hi Ira. You have a wonderful 5508 there. Mainly we are trying to triangulate...
February 11 2012, 9:49 PM
...serial numbers/production dates and attempt to match them with dial characteristics to see if there is a larger pattern that may be discerned.
Nothing negative is implied about your lovely Sub, it is only being used as part of a larger sample.
Enjoy your watch,