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Q / Did the 16800 Matt watches ever have 2 distinct different crown guard profiles ?

February 22 2012 at 12:12 AM

Hammer  (Login HammerHammer)
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I've seen some more as expected but others and some on comex seem to be more pointed ?

Well more than just from a polish no one would remove that much structure as the ones I've seen ?

Any help is MOST appreciated , trying to help a mate , thank you very much for any advices happy.gif


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Like this >>>

February 22 2012, 1:09 AM 

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bloody hell ..the hammer is back !!

February 22 2012, 1:20 AM 

just polished mate. especially on working tool watches

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Copy that , Jed u Rascal how u been Giant ? Gr8 too read u M8 :-)) (nt)

February 22 2012, 1:30 AM 

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all good thanks mate ...soaking up the melbourne sun

February 22 2012, 2:53 AM 

hopefully catch up down here some time soon !

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yes, very good news! hope to hear more from you.....

February 22 2012, 3:06 AM 

kind regards from coffs harbour. achim

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Mike Wood
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Dang... sudden influx of Paneristi into VRF...

February 22 2012, 1:33 AM 

Chuck A with a miliSub on his wrist... Hammer looking at a 16800... all we need is Jassies and Covac and we got a mini P-Day


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Funny Bugger Mike :-))) Phat Jassies & Clovac , thats all we need >>

February 22 2012, 1:42 AM 

Add chippy and u got a 3 ring circus wink.gif

Hope all is well over the pond Mike , best from DU happy.gifhappy.gif

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And another one here ...

February 22 2012, 2:51 AM 

Perfect time to introduce myself, I guess ...

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Best wishes from Melbourne, Australia. happy.gif


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another melburnian ...no shortage of vintage nuts in this town !

February 22 2012, 2:59 AM 


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We must be breeding ;)

February 22 2012, 8:15 PM 

And another one!

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owwoww,... Hammer time

February 22 2012, 6:11 AM 

welcome, bro Hammer...
You into Rolex now?

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Geeday Felix great to read you M8 , love affair with Rolex started

February 22 2012, 8:44 AM 

At 16 , will always love the brand , trust all well and your happy M8 , thanks for the shout out happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

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Regards Hammer from SW Florida----more

February 22 2012, 6:28 AM 

Yesterday, I was reading III in Vintage Panerai, Reference 6154--8mm crown. Could you please post a photo?


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U Bet Lou >> as a NMGA (non multiple grail abuser) this was , is and always will be my >>

February 22 2012, 8:42 AM 

Personal Grail wink.gif

G'day M8TES from the chair Down Under happy.gif

Well I'm not sure where to start or , 4 that matter , where to finish happy.gif

One day I woke up , just as I had every other day but this day was to
be  different .. this day was one that would see ALL life as I knew it
, end , I often think back to that moment in time & space when
everything changed , so completely and forever sad.gif

I wonder where there any sign's or even a feeling that I should have
noticed , something just odd enough to make me say , OUUU , 2day is
going 2 be different , be Careful . but u know there just wasn't ,, it
seemed as if it was going to be like any other Thursday !

I was wrong about that  !! Note to self ,, Life is  Fragile wink.gif

But Life ROLL'S On happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

It's been a crazy year 4 sure & next year looks much the same with
another surgery (my 7th) booked Feb 11th , this one will c me stuck in
bed for 3-4 months , 6 till I'll be able to drive again and a year to
get back to where I am now sad.gifsad.gifsad.gif

Excited >>> U Bet , AND ,, If all goes well ,, I will repeat it again
the following Year  wink.gif

M8TES It was 1999 when I stumbled onto what was formally a military
secret ,, Panerai ,, and from that moment on I became addicted >> OTT
OCD ADDICTED ,,  like a dog in a butchers shop I'd never known such
nirvana , instant and over whelming , somehow i reckon u buggers will
copy that , my Passion for the brand was Born happy.gif

Then in 2001/2 it happened again , kazam ,, I saw a Panerai ,, Ref
6154 ,, the image was taken from an old Italian book and posted , she
just pulled so hard at my heart strings , I'll never forget that
moment when I saw  the most beautiful Pam I'd ever laid my eyes on  ,
one day I swore I would fulfill that quest and have that watch , not
just any watch ,,  Ref 6154, and as close to that exact watch as
possible, the dial blew my mind !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Panerai Ref 6154 ,,, aka ,, The "Small Egiziano" happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif


The Ref 6154 was a watch that came into existence as a result of the
admiration the Egyptian Navy held for the under water exploits of the
Decima Mas and Marina Militare ......... Created specially for the
Egyptian Navy , a BEAUTY as i had NEVER seen B4 happy.gif

About the 6154,,  what little information I have , The Best of the
Egyptian army incursori in early 1950's were sent to La Spezia for
"Tactical Sea War Lessons" and were amazed with the equipment used the
Marina Militare and above all the nightly luminescence of panerai

The Egyptian Navy ordered from Panerai a supply of compass's, depth
gauges and watches.

Albeit there is no known existing document of this order but with the
"matriculation's" (serial number's) that Sig Francesco Ferretti has seen in last
20 years ,, 997572 to 997607, we could assume the order was around
30--40 watches and same number of compasses and depth gauges.

Who knows how many exist still today ,, surely many are resting on the
seabed and or lost/destroyed , deffo the smallest production run of
the vintage watches  wink.gif

Panerai probably made these watches roughly around the same time as
ref. 6152 but with lower production number's, probably because the
Egyptians "Stipulated" the FAMOUS Panerai "Radiomir" Dial and not the
then fitted "Luminor Dials " she's a a very different watch to the
existing ref's 6152 and 6152/1. Volker commented to me one day ,, she is
the Maserati of the Vintage ,, Ouuuuuuuuuufffff those case lines happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

Over the years I had some small chances to acquire this Ref 6154 ,,
but one thing or another ($$$) stopped me , still always , I would dream
of this , My Grail Pam Man !!

About 3 years ago a GR8 M8 and Teacher ,, very dear to me ,, Sig
Francesco Ferritti with his Son >>>>



Who incidentally i found out owned that watch i saw in 2002 mailed with
information's and pictures of this watch in a couple of old military books
and some history on the piece , he knew well my PASSION for this Ref and
thought i would enjoy to see , he had been the owner since late 80's !!










I have never been able to get that watch out of my mind and through a
best m8 in Spain "CDL" aka German , the chance came to ask if this Bella
could be bought down under to rest  ,,, kindly the answer was yes .......

I nearly dropped dead !!!

1 thing i have learned from my accident is that u never know just what the
future holds and sometimes , ya have to say ,, "Bugger It" and take the Plung
were not going 2 B here 4Ever wink.gif

But ,,,,

Bugger me dead and twice on Mondays ,, I had NO "Dough Ray Me" ($$$)


Aarghhhh .........................

The days of having money for luxury things ,, u know , milk , bread , panerai's
finished the day of my accident , with my injury now I need each and every
buckaroo ,,, that first 12 months saw every penny of savings gone for
operations , finding a new place to live , med supplies and equipment , etc
etc , we never know what waters lay ahead , do we , i did have a 10
year plan happy.gif

FAT good it did me now  wink.gif

Arghhhh ,,,, what to do .......

Sell , Sell , Sell and SELL ,,, and that's just what I did , sold 10
watches , many took years to acquire and I'd have sworn blue I would
never part with , KaKa in 2 days they were all sold , shipped and
money on the way to Italy !!!!

To those 6 m8tes who helped me make this dream happen >>> tanks lads
and ladies mucho appreciardo ,, i know my watches found a new Home with Love wink.gif

With in a week all wires of funds were received and ,, watch was paid
for but how to get it to me ???

Italia is a long way and "Ferretti Orologi" in Monticantini is not in the most
accessible location for moi !!!


Many crazy thoughts scrambled through my mind , I couldn't just send
fedex , dhl or any other carrier ,, too much exposure and risk for my
Grail  , couldn't send it insured either as paperwork had to travel
with package and upon entry into down under would have been looking at
a huge huge bill for GST and Tax's ..... $$$$$= sad.gif

By chance i was speaking with this bloke >>>>


A best m8 .. and a brother who happened to mention he was leaving
Israel 4 Italy the NEXT day to pick up a watch from ,, The Lady Patrizia
in Florence ,, I said Yo ,, any chance u would do a fella a favor would
u , r u with car and about 5 free hours ??? wink.gifwink.gifwink.gif

What a M8 !!! wink.gif

Asi u will always rule from being at my bedside at the hospital to
playing the lead in getting this Dream DU happy.gif

Next day there he was about to get the TREASURE  happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif


My Grail was in hand , a few days later he was back in Israel and we
hatched a plan for delivery DU ,, he would be going to china in about
3 weeks and ,, as I had a watch for him we agreed he should fly to
Brisbane for the weekend between meetings he had in H.K. And china
..... beers on me wink.gif

Perfect ,, OR ???

Not surprisingly,,  the Aussie Immigration would not issue him a visa
in such short notice , we all knew he was high risk ,,, LOL ,, Now what to
do , shipping from honkers or china had the same risks as Italy &
Israel ... sad.gifsad.gifsad.gif

Bugger , Bugger and BUGGER  !!!

Now what ......./ my bijo mentioned in a month he would be at PDay ,,,
would that help ,,  hang in a minute ,, my down under brother from the
southern parts FrankF was going to PDay wasn't he  ,,,, u beauty ,, u
little ripper ,, Asi would take my treasure to PDay and Frank would
fly her back Down Under ,,,,, also the bonus of having the authors of
"Vintage Panerai" , Ralf Ehlers & Volker Wiegmann give old luv the once
over , is my baby now CURSED >> i mean just look at these 3 ,, lol >>>


But then how would I get it from Melbourne it's almost 30 hours drive sad.gif

Frank being the living legend that he is ,, suggested he would fly
north and personally hand deliver , what was even MORE outstanding was
that he fly all the way from Europe to Melbourne (35+ hours travel)
landing near midnight then would catch a morning flight and spend all
day flying again to land my baby in my hand .... then go home to start
back at work next morning ..............

Talk about a tru blu m8 , that's what MATESHIP is ALL About imho wink.gif

Finally ........ The moment arrived my 54 was Wristside happy.gif

(pls excuse the crappy low res images , my 10 year old digi is a 1
megapix and best it could do)

(also i suck at images)

(albeit having this watch has spurred me onto buying my 1st Digi SLR ,
a Canon EOS 450D, so hoping 4 better asap)

.. My Dream Pam >>>>


















The DIAL ,, No 2 are alike ,, FADED by the Radium mixture Lume used ,,
Oh Soooo Dreamy >>>>




Those Hands >>>



That 9 >>>


That 6 >>>


As U can C ,, No 2 are alike after 55 years of age , Amazing IMHO >>>


The Case ,, Mia look at those lines ,, to feel , touch and wear
she is like a transitional watch in size between a 47mm 3646  47mm
6152-1 , she sits much lower and stealthy than a 6152-1 , the shape of
the lugs just does it for me , and the joining crease ,, ohhh baby ,,
on the wrist she feels like the best of both worlds ,, perfect size
for my eye , too bad that solid lug transitional Angelus 3646 never
made production  >>>>

The lines of a Maserati , lol , Funko >>>


The detail of the centre crease and the way that transitions through
to the lugs ,, Stealthy >>>



Brevet Big Fatty Upside Down Crown >>


Look at those Lugs >>>>


The Motor , She's seen some Action >>>>


Original Lead Ring >>>


Dust Cover >>>


55 years old and still keep almost PERFECT Time >>>,,


What a marriage "Panerai & Rolex" , it has been documented by Rolex that the
ONLY time they ever sold there manufacture etc was to Panerai for Military Watches
which is kinda funny when u think about it , and the war , I believe it could have
been the Rolex agent in Italy that made the marriage , Money is King happy.gif

The Strap >>> BUGGER >>>


I've had to pinch this one from my 6152-1 , it was made by the MM
themselves , they tried to make there own straps & buckles using
various methods but , well ,, best left to Panerai ,, so the ONLY sad
part is i have NOT a period vintage strap and or GPF Buckle to be
complete , that's gunna do my head in so the search is on , i wont
rest till she is with a strap that befits her sad.gifsad.gifsad.gifsad.gif

She's really very different to her brother 6152-1 ,,,  dont u think >>>>


Special thanks to my friend and teacher of ALL things vintage Panerai , Sig Ferretti happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

Photo Credits to my Bijo's Asi , Nicki and Ferretti happy.gif

Also just to personally THANK my M8 Volker , who through out it all , since the day I found
Risti has been a brother , teacher , friend and m8 , the BESTEST M8 ,, a M8 could ever ask for,
love , respect and admiration always Master Funk , Ur my ROCK , Paramount U Bet happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

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Millie Grazie M8TES wink.gif


Life can be pleasent sometimes wink.gif

Cheers Hammer happy.gif

Sent from my Iphone .

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Many thanks Hammer for the words and the photos

February 22 2012, 9:21 AM 

of the greatest military diving watches of all time. They are such a large part of history and as you stated each one is very different and of course unique.They really something. REGARDS

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Nice post brother!

February 22 2012, 10:01 AM 

Miss ya friend.

Michael M. from Boise



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Nerv wrecking story with a happy ending....

February 22 2012, 10:37 AM 

Congrats and all the best of luck with that op and the following rehab.

Johan (C4-C5 quad)

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That story deserves a Oscar and Hammer you deserve a Nobel Prize for

February 22 2012, 11:00 AM 

character and perserverance.
What an amazing group of friends (M8s) you have
A heartwarming story for the archives


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How you doing Hammer ?? Was thinking about you

February 22 2012, 11:40 AM 

from time to time and what the progress is.
We both share that one day that changed everything.
Drop me an e-mail when you feel like it.
Best, Igor.

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Nice to see you over here Hammer. Hope you are doing well

February 22 2012, 1:22 PM 




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Amazing Hammer! Always an inspiration you are!

February 22 2012, 4:12 PM 

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Great story, Hammer!!!! it is a beauuuuuuuuuty!!!!!

February 22 2012, 4:34 PM 

good to have you here!!!

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Great Story and a Great Watch!

February 23 2012, 5:11 AM 

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Bugger mate, my latte went cold after I finished reading your "PhD" paper....

February 22 2012, 4:20 PM 


but I never get bored of your story bro & this is my fairy tale to read before I go to sleep. Great stuffs, Great dreams that came true

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Greets from Melbourne as well

February 22 2012, 8:12 PM 

Great post Hammer - looks like u have the best of both worlds there!

Good luck in your recovery and I hope to come to a Melbourne Passion get together (come on folks the weathers great right now - lets get outside at the crown casino and have a few coldies as the traffic flows by) where we can all see and admire that beauty...



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Most Sincere Thanks Mates , what a great surprise to read >>

February 23 2012, 1:47 AM 

So many nice words from old mates and some new , if it's OK I'd like to hang out a bit here if you can tolerate my Aussie Cyber language , I know those over the pond would kill me for butchering the queens english the way I do , I've never lost my passion for rolex , mates and sharing our crazy passion for watches happy.gifhappy.gif

You buggers made my day when I read the forum this morning , thank you so much happy.gifhappy.gifhappy.gif

Can't get Chucks Mil Sub out of my brain ? That can't be a good thing sad.gifsad.gif

When I sold my single red 1665 in 2001 it nearly killed me , it was acquired from the estate of Ralph W. Brauer , my greatest barn find EVER , I guess as the funds went to purchase my Pam 21 it wasn't so bad , that Cal 618 Cort did help fill the empty hole wink.gifwink.gif

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