I can buy a gold and steel GMT 16713 of 1997 with a dial "chocolate" in very good condition and full set.
I hesitated a little, I love this watch but I also like many others, because I think it begins to be old fashioned, at least here in Europe this is the case of gold and steel watches.
For a similar budget, about 4500, do you think that it is more appropriate, any feelings aside, to buy for example a more vintage all steel watch.
To be honest, there does seem to be a general bias against bi-metal Rolex generally...
April 15 2012, 10:07 AM
...and the 16713 being a more recent model is perhaps not considered as desirable as, say, an earlier all-original matte dial 1675. Or even a bi-metal 1675/3 with brown Nipple dial.
BUT...in the end, you should buy what you like and not try to chase the market because what is popular today might not be tomorrow. Nobody can really say what you should or shouldn't buy with 100% certainty of a given model's future potential. They have all had their ups and downs, truth be told.
So, in general, all-steel trumps bi-metal and older trumps newer in Vintage Rolex. But if one day, for example, the emerging Chinese market decides en masse that Steel & Gold reflects greater subtlety and class than either all-steel or all-gold and that they don't care for older watches that have weird old-fashioned markers, don't have an independent hour hand and are harder to maintain, well then, all bets are off.
So buy what you like so long as it's genuine, original and in good condition--wear it and enjoy it--if it moves you and gives that special feeling when you strap it on, you can't really go wrong.
Best of luck,
This message has been edited by tomvox1 from IP address 220.127.116.11 on Apr 15, 2012 10:07 AM
Totally agree with what was said. In the not so distant past, original Milgauss watches remanded unsold and ADs couldn't give them away. Now they're super desirable. If memory serves me right, original Dayton's weren't huge sellers. Moral of the story is buy what you want and enjoy it!
Classic equals vintage...gold and steel is both and
April 15 2012, 1:40 PM
it is one of the hallmarks of Rolex. I understand how success breeds contempt...everyone in the world was knocking off the gold and steel DateJusts and they became unloved. Same with the yellow gold Day Dates...everyone felt they were Las Vegas vulgar. Yet they are two of the most iconic Rolex models.
I think the gold and steel Jubilee bracelet ranks with the beads of rice in style. The gold and steel Rolex has the ability to move from dress and business to pure sport, effortlessly. And because they are undervalued (for the moment) you get great value for your money. Look at gold and steel Subs and Daytonas. Inside they are the same watch as the all steel and solid gold models.
If you love it, do it. Do not think about resale...you should never expect to get more than you paid...or even what you paid.
And just as gold and steel offer great value, so do the now unpopular 34mm models. But the watch world is slowly moving away from "big"...and it is amazing how comfortable and wearable a 34mm Rolex is.
there was no ulterior motive to john's post. it's common knowledge las vegas = glitter. some people are just chronic complainers but speaking of ulterior motives, i'm always amused by postings on the discussion forum and "what are you wearing" threads of "rare and valuable finds" only to see them listed a couple of days later on the market.
This message has been edited by janiceandfred from IP address 18.104.22.168 on Apr 15, 2012 7:01 PM
+1 it's still a Sunday in your zone, chill out & relax....
April 15 2012, 7:28 PM
That is exactly what I read & intepret from John's note AND it's already a manic Monday here in Asia when I say so!!!
John is a 101% gentleman in his postings and that balanced out the yin & yang of hotrods & hotheads out there... Once again, good job Mr Ireland as a mod and an avid classic hobbyist who shares his thoughts articulately.
This message has been edited by LunetteVerde from IP address 22.214.171.124 on Apr 15, 2012 8:04 PM This message has been edited by LunetteVerde from IP address 126.96.36.199 on Apr 15, 2012 7:30 PM
You do not need to defend John. I wanted him to explain what he meant.
Vegas and glitter I will accept. Vulgar I do not.
Let John answer if he chooses to , my comment was directed to him.
I never had any problem with John and he is one of the members I have the most respect for. I just think that he used an old stereotype that is not correct anymore.
This message has been edited by IgorDR from IP address 188.8.131.52 on Apr 15, 2012 8:24 PM
my choice of words. Vegas and Rolex both suffered from the glitzy...and yes vulgar...excesses of the seventies and eighties. Elvis popping out of his spandex pants...DayDates with giant nugget bezels and bracelets...there is even a movie called "Pimp" in which a pimp convention meets in Las Vegas to show off their diamond teeth and oversized rings. Yellow gold DD became objects of ridicule...even the DateJust became...out. All this about the same time that the stainless steel sports trend and vintage was taking off.
As for Vegas...that was the city of Tom Jones and Sigfired and Roy and fat gold chained old men with gray hair swirling out of their ears and from between the buttons of their shirts...New York was Woody Allen and Robert Diniro...Vegas was electronic overload...Paris was Hausman's City of Lights...Vegas was casinos without clocks...London was the timelessness of Big Ben...etc. Only Los Angeles has probably been as ridiculed as much as Las Vegas.
But just as the pendulem swings in one direction, he must swing in the other direction as well. So it will be with LA and Las Vegas and gold Day Dates and the lowly DateJust.
I've aways said dealers get more interesting watches than most of us...
April 17 2012, 5:59 PM
...and if they want to make an ooh and ahh post before offering it for sale I don't care, I just want to see the watches. But...if a dealer posts the same tired old watches over and over on the main forum then we have to believe it's just another dealer trying to get an imaginary edge on the competition. It's funny for a while but we end it pretty quickly if they don't get the hint.
This message has been edited by VintageRolexForum from IP address 184.108.40.206 on Apr 17, 2012 6:01 PM
However, one holdout for me when looking for vintage is the overall cost of a new bracelet or hands. A 78363 bracelet costs a fortune. So, I look for ones that have perfect bracelets. Whereas, on a regular 1675, the bracelet isn't as important as I can always find a nice 78360 for $500-600
i also like the tutone look on many watches, rolex included. tutone style on watches goes wayyyyy back almost to the beginning of wrist watches, and it not about to stop any time soon, so there are plenty of other tutone lovers out there
btw...i especially love the tutone look on sport rolexes like your GMT!