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Unusual disapperance in Belgium. "Le Joaillier"

March 7 2016 at 5:13 PM
tropigold  (Login tropigold)
from IP address

hy everyone,

i don't no if anybody know or deal with a vintage rolex dealer knowed as mickael in bruxel belgium. he is the owner of a relative notorious jewelry and vintage watche shop, in bruxelles, le sablon.
the shop name is "le joaillier".
I have deal in the past with him, i sold him watches and parts. I always been paying in time, and entirely.
I have for habit to visit his web site every month, to look what's come new ect... End 2015 i noticed that the web site 'lejoaillier" is no more available, it was closed. And last week on a vintage watche forum a belgium collector wrote that the jewelry is closed, that nobody know where is the owner or his family, and that he is gone with the whole stock and also every watches in service, the belgium collector explain that he has been stoled.

i believe that many belgium Professional and collectors active on VRF are aware of this fact but i will appreciate if anybody know the entire and right story or infos

best regards


This message has been edited by fantastictime from IP address on Mar 8, 2016 4:53 AM

(Login TudorMorgan)
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March 7 2016, 10:57 PM 

It happened a while back. He's gone.

As far as I am informef it started with a simple credit issue / mismanagement. Now he's 100% off grid.



(Login gcandra)


March 9 2016, 3:55 AM 

lots of people are looking for him. anybody know where he is?

(Login robby1965)
VRF Member

Re: Unusual disapperance in Belgium. "Le Joaillier"

March 11 2016, 7:07 AM 

I was a customer at le Joaillier and bought and sold a few watches the past years.
Official company name : King Jewelery
Michael Djanashwili, Jewish watch dealer who had some nice pieces sometimes. He paid correctly, never any issues

Web site closed, shop closed, cell phones disconnected and he presumably moved away with wife and family.
Rolex had a big law suit ongoing against him for using official Rolex promo material in his shop, maybe het lost it and could'nt pay ?

To bad to hear that some collectors lost watches that were in service ! whatever the reason of his closing business should not affect honest customers.
I hope they can somehow track him down and if he ows to people he should do the right thing

changes are few i guess...

This message has been edited by robby1965 from IP address on Mar 11, 2016 7:23 AM

(Login tropigold)

Is it forbidden to buy him a watche from his stock ...

March 13 2016, 5:08 AM 

I mean. ... He get a lot of watche for sale and i am sure he will sold them via internet. then what append if any buy a watche Who was registrered into his shop .?

Dose it appear as a stolen watche ?

(Login robby1965)
VRF Member

Why, did you buy one ? :-)

March 14 2016, 2:13 AM 

(Login jban)

If all is so as stated in this thread

March 14 2016, 6:25 AM 

If this thread is "taken at face value" then a very much related thread of recent vintage entitled, "your purchase later turns out to be a stolen timepiece?" is relevant to this.

(Login JoeyAJ)

which relates to my answer I gave to an earlier post!!!!

March 15 2016, 4:54 PM 

ditto Jeff!!!!

(Login tropigold)

No i ha en t any contact but simple asking what append in this fact....

March 14 2016, 2:38 PM 

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Michael Djanashwili - Le Joaillier

March 30 2016, 12:36 PM 

I bought a watch from him. He asked me to wire him the money and never sent the watch. He stole over 5000 euros from me. Anyone with any information about him please let me know. It appears he stole from a lot of other people as well

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le joaillier

June 29 2016, 3:59 AM 

Voir avec la boutique GINOTTI à Anvers avec qui il travaillait. Beaucoup de ses montres avaient des bracelets "Ginotti"

(Login d268002)

Re: Michael Djanashwili - Le Joaillier

November 28 2017, 11:16 AM 

Hi Con,

Did you ever receive an answer from Mikhael ?

I believe after the robbery he was for a long time in hospital and maybe that's why never answered you.

Send me a message and I will happy to try help you get this sorted.

Mikhael is a very honest and upstanding watch dealer who was forced into terrible hardships by a large organized crime family.


(Login rallepeng)
VRF Member

yes david, contact me please too! we have issue about approx 150.000 €!

November 29 2017, 3:38 AM 

ralle happy.gif

(Login d268002)

Mikhael - Le Joaillier

November 28 2017, 11:07 AM 


Yes, I know Mikhael very well and am still in touch with him.

His store in Brussels ( Le Joaillier ) was robbed and Mikhael was severely injured and threatened.

As a consequence, he decided to leave Brussel with his Family and is sorry if any of his clients he truly respected and loved
feel taken advantage of.

I only know of one client who paid for a watch and never received delivery and who has since been compensated!

If anyone else feels that they are also owed something, please message me and I will try to bring it up with Mikhael next
time I speak to him !

So tropigold, I also had lovely experiences with Mikhael who is extremely knowledgable vintage watch dealer and its
a real shame that this beautiful store was ruined by some money greedy mafia guys !


(Login rallepeng)
VRF Member

david i would like to write you email, we have big issue with him!

November 28 2017, 10:14 PM 

contact me please...
cheers ralle happy.gif

(Login d268002)

Re: david i would like to write you email, we have big issue with him!

November 29 2017, 6:42 AM 

Hey Ralle,

I tried contacting you by email.

Let me know if you received it.

Best regards


(Login rallepeng)
VRF Member

got it!

November 29 2017, 6:47 AM 

ralle happy.gif

(Login SALMANQ8)
VRF Member

Is there no rule of law in Belgium?...

November 29 2017, 4:12 PM 

I am surprised by this thread, I thought this sort of thing happened in some developing countries and not in an old world European Country like Belgium. Where is the Police and Attorney General? Can no one give this man and his family any justice and protection?



(Login Yoram76)
VRF Member

Cut the bullshit !

December 1 2017, 12:05 PM 

Please stop with the bullshit. I live in Brussels and know that guy. He desapear with all the stock and deposits.

If he really wanted he could refund everybody.

Nobody have heard about your story "David", and i i know from a welle known lawyer here in Brussels that it is the second time he did this...

If you are someone we can trust David, so contact me by email and let me know who you are so you could explain me your story...

Best regards


Eric Ku
(Premier Login VintageRolexForum)

I am locking this thread....

December 1 2017, 1:49 PM 

It seems there's something rotten afoot here.

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