What's the official size for a snooker table, a pool table and a billiard table?

I have an idea (like, for example, a snooker table is twice the size of the others, but I want to make sure.)

No idea, but I'm sure its in imperial

metrication does not mean everything that happens to be a standard imperial size needs to be re-standardised in metric. Even completely metric countries use imperial in certain cases where that is the world standard, eg. wheel sizes are in inches, pilots use feet for altitude. It is even alleged by some that australian surfers measure their boards in feet!

I think most pro-metric people have no objection whatsoever to the use of imperial in such cases.

Good response Andy.

I'm now waiting for Carlyle/Ametrica/Euric/whatever to burst through the door.

I'd stand clear if I were you.

What's the official size for a snooker table, a pool table and a billiard table?



http://www.azbilliards.com/brianmordt/bryan3.cfm

http://www.onlinesports.com/pages/I,IMP-11-125.html

http://www.insidepool.com/order/Water+Buffalo+Tips+13.5+mm?SID



Many of the products I saw were made in either Belgium or China. We know what system they use and this explains why a movement over to rounded metric sizes for components.

I knew I was good but I didn't think I'd get him that quickly!

Weee! I won! I won! I won! Yippee! Yippee! Yippee!

and for winning I get the sweetest prize of them all: 100 litres of petrol.

Of course I would have preferred it to be gallons, but since UK pumps only dispense in litres I have to take what is given me.

And if I win again, I'll get another super prize: a crisp new 200 € bank note. I'm drooling already, thinking about having the world's strongest currency in my hands. And who says there isn't a Father Christmas?


Did you folks know the euro climbed above 1.31 $US today? I can hear that old time honoured song being sung now:

Dollar bills roasting on an open fire
Jack Frost nipping at your arse
As we cosy up to an old Ford tire
the only thing that keeps us warm is our farts

Everybody knows a visit to the soup kitchen
will help to soothe the hunger pains
But being broke and itchen'
we find it driving us all insane


We wish that Santa was on his way
to bring lots of food and drinkss
On his sleigh

And ev’ry mother’s
Child is gonna cry becaue they can't
afford even a burger, coke and fries


And so, I’m offering this
Simple phrase to kids from
One to ninety-two
Altho’ it’s been said many times
Many ways; “Sell your dollars now before it's too late”


Thank you! Thank You! A megatimes .... Thank You!

Alright mate - keep your hair on! You broken your mallet again?

Actually.
Fair enough - having thought of it deeper now I realise how you must feel.

After all, a humble "nobody" from all away across the world in the UK types a brief but "loaded" question onto this board and then you, in Australia (which no doubt uses "euros" now, in your mind), scours the world wide web endlessly looking for at least something slightly metric to answer to it having bumped into a load of sites using imperial only from a search string of "Billards+metric+dimensions". How long did it take you? How much effort and work did you do for me?

So I can imagine how -erm- "pathetic" you must feel and in this time of resorting to your age old but 100% effective manner of "losing once again" you go off the edge, once more.

Here's another question for you.

How big do you reckon my grin is? Tell me in millimetres if you wish.

Or alternatively do another one of those posts using my name spelled backwards but pretending that you are not wound up at all and its actually me that's wound up. Go for it! I can more or less predict the script two days in advance!

http://www.worldsnooker.com/snooker_and_billiards_rules/snooker1.asp#1_1

Re: Snooker, pool and billiards November 23 2004, 6:35 AM


>>>>No idea, but I'm sure its in imperial

What defines whether something is imperial or metric? Actually that depends on where it is made and what units are used in the manufacture of the product. Any dimension in imperial can be equated to a dimension in metric and vice-versa. The rules I posted above give both systems and in some cases you will see the dimensions are not exact in either system but allow for variances.


>>>>>Metrication does not mean everything that happens to be a standard imperial size needs to be re-standardised in metric.


You have fallen into an imperial trap that makes you believe that rounded numbers determine the standard. This may be true in imperial but not with metric usage. Imperial doesn't function well unless its numbers are to rounded fractions. Thus it is common when imperialists translate metric dimensions to imperial they very often round the numbers to a value that makes sense in imperial even if it does not corrrespond exactly to the original metric value.

In most cases, for example, metric dimensions can be stated to the nearest whole millimetre which is very accurate for production. Common measuring devices always show a 1 mm resolution so the dimension can be easily read on a metric lineal. Imperial lineals usually only resolve to 16-ths inches (1.6 mm) which is not as fine as the metric 1 mm resolution. Thus in order for something to be readable on inch scale, the numbers have to be in 16-ths increments.

It is much simpler to convert an inch value to metric then the other way around. If you round the converted value to the nearest whole millimetre, you will still be withing manufacturing tolerance then if you took a metric value and converted it to imperial and rounded it to the nearest 16-th.

>>>>>>Even completely metric countries use imperial in certain cases where that is the world standard, eg. wheel sizes are in inches, pilots use feet for altitude. It is even alleged by some that australian surfers measure their boards in feet!


Another trap to avoid. The use of imperial in the cases of wheel sizes, surf boards, monitors, pipe, etc. is ambigious. These are all trade sizes and not actual sizes. Nobody actually buys these products by the inch, measures them in inches, nor is aware that none of the inch descriptors is even close to the actual size stated. And in all cases, these products are manufactured in metric, especially if they are made outside of the US.


>>>>>>>>I think most pro-metric people have no objection whatsoever to the use of imperial in such cases.

As I stated in the previous response, imperial is only used as a trade descriptor so the objection doesn't exist as no one actually is measuring these devices. Understand that there is a world of difference between something carrying a trade description and something's actual size being the same as the trade descriptor.

I am not suggesting these things are made using imperial measurements, just pointing out that there is no need to go to such extremes. If snooker had been invented in 2004 the table would be a round metric length. It wasn't, so the standard length is 12ft (I think). Whatever that translates to in metric is an awkward number so people will continue to use imperial.

The aim of metrication is not to eradicate imperial completely, it is to spare future generations the confusion that we have gone through.

"just pointing out that there is no need to go to such extremes"

Just remember, Andy, who you are responding too.
Possibly the most extreme "advocate" of the metric system I have ever come across.
The problem is - I actually feel sorry for moderate metric "realists" like yourself having to put up with his bizzare antics and claiming that he's "on your side".

Despite the fun I have in taunting him (note the way he's droped the "Carlyle" label and gone back to his "switch user" multi-post method of discussion) I also note the way that pro-mets won't (usually) touch him with a 3 metre bargepole. In fact pro mets in the past have sometimes thought he's a pro-imp "insider" , out to embarrass anyone who likes the metric system!

BTW - he doesn't like it AT ALL when pro-mets find common ground with pro-imps. Oh, and don't mention "surfboards" !!!



LOL!

BTW - I thought it was 12ft by 6ft, but according to wossisface's post (worldsnooker.com) its 11 ft 8˝in x 5ft 10in. I thought that pool tables were exactly half of 12X6 (ie 6ft by 3ft) but that might be wrong too.

P.S. You mention about snooker being invented before metric was even known? HAve a word with him about vinyl records! That's a particular favourite taunt of mine!

Yippee I'm so clever.

Look! I've even done a limeric:

There once was a funny old git
Who thought the EU was a hit
He thought dollars were lame
Even though Germans proclaim
That the Euro is a bit pile of strong, excellent money that will take over the world especially now the US$ is so weak.

It wasn't, so the standard length is 12ft (I think). Whatever that translates to in metric is an awkward number so people will continue to use imperial.


Awkard to whom? The average person who would play this game is not interested in its dimensions. The only people concerned with the dimensions are those that make it and imperialists trying to find remnant uses of imperial. From the rules page, you can see that the table is not 12 feet or 3.6 m, but a more awkward 11 ft 8˝in (3569 mm). Both are awkawd numbers, but with a +/- 13 mm tolerance, the metric dimension can be more sensible rounded 357 cm or 3570 mm. These are not awkward numbers to those that would produce it as both are readable on a metric scale.


Don't you think it odd that the imperial dimensions are to half inches and not to whole feet as you would prefer? Why is that? Apparantly having sensible rounded imperial dimensions didn't matter to those that set the rules.

Dimensions
(a) The playing area within the cushion faces shall measure 11 ft 8˝in x 5ft 10in (3569mm x 1778mm) with a tolerance on both dimensions of +/- ˝ in (+/- 13 mm).

Height
(b) The height of the table from the floor to the top of the cushion
Rail shall be from 2ft9˝in to 2ft 10˝in (851 mm to 876 mm).

Oh my, the euro jumped big time today. This upsetting to me. It won't be long now before the euro becomes the world reserve currency replacing the imperial dollar and the UK will forsake the pound for a more valued and stable currency.

Maybe if our leaders in London can gain some forsight, they can increase our interest rates another 2 % so our currency can surge ahead of the euro. Is anyone in london listening?



Dollar Slides to New Low Against Euro, Breaking a Day-Old Record As Markets Pressure Currency


BERLIN (AP) -- The U.S. dollar slid to a new low Wednesday against the euro, which rose to $1.3170 -- breaking a day-old record as jittery markets kept up pressure on the U.S. currency.

The recent rally has taken the euro from $1.20 about two months ago, driven by concerns over the U.S. trade and budget deficits, which sent it above the $1.31 mark for the first time when it hit $1.3105 on Tuesday.

re (HevetS): "Oh my, the euro jumped big time today..."

REPLY: Terrific news for the U.K. It gets harder and harder for the sluggish eurozone countries to export, reduces their inward investment, creates more unemployment over there, gets the European Commission and the European Central Bank arguing with each other over who's to blame, and generally makes the prospect of us ever adopting the euro ever more remote. Will retire to bed happy tonight...

Erm - no actwally.

Erm

Look how many people are unemployed in the UK when compared to Germany.
Er - no - scrap that one.

What I meant was

Lots of Germans don't want to do work because its menial tasks like washing up or working in MacDonalds - and for that they hire people from the UK.

Erm

But the EURO IS COMING TO THE UK - because the people of the UK will definetly vote "Yes" in a referendum when they note how unpopular that the Euro is with almost all the countries in the Eurozone!
Why? Well all UK people instinctively do the opposite of what "the europeans" do so as they find out that "the europeans" hate the euro they will start to love the euro and once that happens the imperial dollar and GBP will be smashed and metric will have won the war and no-one will say feet and inches or worry about why snooker tables are created to a round quarter inch.

Yes - it might be true that the eurozone is spoiling it for the rest of the world with its sluggish economic area but YOU WAIT! Once the euro gets really really strong then British people can take vacations in any European country and buy loads of things cheaply which means that the Brits LOSE their pounds BUYING european things MADE in EUROS!! Its true! And once all those pounds have been spent then there will only be Euros left because they will have spent all their pounds. And then they'll talk all metric too.

And if your not careful I'll post using your name backwards too. THEN I'll win the argument.

Hey Carly, you really are onto a losing streak here! Keep 'em coming!

I particularly laughed loudly at this escuse:

"From the rules page, you can see that the table is not 12 feet or 3.6 m, but a more awkward 11 ft 8˝in (3569 mm). Both are awkawd numbers, but with a +/- 13 mm tolerance, the metric dimension can be more sensible rounded 357 cm or 3570 mm. These are not awkward numbers to those that would produce it as both are readable on a metric scale. "

...but I realise you'd never quite understand why I laughed, in your present state of mind!




Right - off to play a record then!!!

:-D

re (HevetS): "Oh my, the euro jumped big time today..."

REPLY: Terrific news for the U.K. It gets harder and harder for the sluggish eurozone countries to export, reduces their inward investment, creates more unemployment over there, gets the European Commission and the European Central Bank arguing with each other over who's to blame, and generally makes the prospect of us ever adopting the euro ever more remote. Will retire to bed happy tonight...



None of what you are saying matters. What matters the most to the EU is that the euro replaces the US dollar as the world's reserve currency and oil prices, either in full or in part, will be denominated in euros. That is the goal.

The ECB and European officials, other then a few remarks meant for the ears of people like you, want the euro to become stronger and have no intention of intervening to stop its upward movement. They know the reason the euro is rising is because central banks around the world are divesting their portfolios of dollars as fast as they can and are buying euros instead. Thus the EU is receiving investment from the same sources the US was.

Spouting stale rhetoric about the way the EU operates will not have any effect on the slowing or stopping the moving of the seat of global economic power from New York to Frankfurt. More powerful people then you are making it happen. When the euro does become the world's reserve currency replacing the dollar, then the UK, Sweden and Denmark will have no choice but to adopt it. It won't be a choice then.

The only way to stop the slide of the dollar has to come from the US. But the only two ways they can would devastate them totally.

1.) Buy back all of the excessive dollars on the world market. But to do so would mean to exchange them for euros or other currencies from their reserves. But they don't have enough foreign currency reserves to do so. Thus their hands are tied here.

2.) Raise interest rates significantly. This will attract some interest back to the dollar, but will cripple the US economy as Americans are heavily dependent on credit for survival and thus need credit to be as cheap as possible. If interest rates increase to a level needed to stabilise the dollar it will make basic purchases on homes, cars and even credit cards unaffordable to the average middle class family. Homes and cars are expensive now for Americans, but are affordable due to low interestr rates. They would not be affordable if the rates were increased even slightly.

Thus the US is powerless to stop the slide of the dollar and will have to deal with the effects of the loss of foreign investors securing their debts much sooner then they thought.

"Spouting stale rhetoric about the way the EU operates will not have any effect on the slowing or stopping the moving of the seat of global economic power from New York to Frankfurt"

LOL!

Here's a hint carly - stop pretending to know basic economics. If they were to read it here, world economic gurus would find much amusing pleasure in your nonsense!

Or are you already head of the IMF or something?!?

LOL!

P.S. Looks like you lost your game of snooker!