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June 6 2004 at 7:16 PM
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tony wellbrook  (Login tonywellbrook)
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i bought a ford engine to put in my 64 thunderbird and the owner was unclear what the ci was. here is the engine #

C8AE-6059-B 4A
can any one help? I think it is a 427ci but i need comfirmation before i buy gaskets....etc. on the front right side it also has -- 48/352 casted in the block.


thanks ahead of time, TONY

 
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Theo
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Sorry to say Tony, but...........

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June 7 2004, 11:23 AM 

......my records reveil this casting# to be a 302 cid.

If you misread your casting #, there is a chance that your motor is a C8AE- E which is a 390 #. 1968 and up to 1976. Hope this is the case. A 302 never came in a 64 T-Bird. It would be a awful combination.
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TONY WELLBROOK
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MAYBE

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June 7 2004, 1:41 PM 

MAYBE the problem was that i gave the timming cover number? i talked to a buddy of mine and he said it was most likly a 428 or 428cj i'll have to look on the block itself. how did you come up with 302?

 
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TONY WELLBROOK
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can you use a 428 timing cover for a 390 engine?

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June 7 2004, 2:50 PM 

would they be interchangeable? i looked again at the engine and somthing stuck out to me the front plugs point tward the rear and the rear plugs point tward the front? also i didn't see if it was on the block but in between the 3-4 and the 7-8 plugs i saw these c8ae-h that is 390 right? but is that the heads? or on the engine block and if the heads does 390 heads work with 427/428? sorry for sounding not in the know but if i don't ask i won't know. tony

 
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TONY WELLBROOK
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this site says c8ae-h are 428 heads?

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June 7 2004, 3:09 PM 


 
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TONY WELLBROOK
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this site says c8ae-6059-b timing cover is 428 also?

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June 7 2004, 3:16 PM 


 
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Now, that's a different picture.........

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June 8 2004, 1:22 PM 

....w. a C8AE-A or H as you corrected. In this case your engine could be a 390 OR a 428. But you gotta know this Tony:
The 428 engines never came in a 64 T. Bird. Only the 1966 model came w. a 428 engine. They were given to only appx. 15-30 % of those 1966 T-Birds. First day of production was 08.02.1965, the last day was 06.10.1966. The total production of that model year was appx. 69 000 vehicles.
BTW the casting # that I gave you were from the 1997 issue of the AERA "Cylinder Head And Block Manual" distr. by the (American Engine Rebuilder's Association)
If you had a 428 in the car, then s.o. must have swapped it. That would be a perfect combination as the 4250 lbs light weight T-Bird is very demanding on torque.
Let us know what you find out.
Good luck

 
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tony wellbrook
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okay..

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June 8 2004, 1:40 PM 

i'll let you know. i won't be able to pull the engine for about two weeks. is the center freeze plug deal on the 428 stamped on the inside? (so i have to pull the plugs)

 
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Theo
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I have no experience w. the center plug deal n m

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June 8 2004, 2:19 PM 

n m

 
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Paul_Lovett
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The center freeze plug deal is on the inside.

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June 9 2004, 8:03 PM 

You have to pull the plug out. You might have to knock a bunch of crust and corrosion off to feel and see the numbers in there.

I had what I thought was a 428 that I had to tear down. I looked inside the water jacket under the center freeze plug expecting to find "428" or just nothing. Well I had to dig at it with a pick for a while, but then I found it had "390" cast there. I've never heard of "390" being cast there, but there it was. Anyway I had a 390.

Let us know what you find out,

Paul

 
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Tony
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Another Tony with a 64 t-bird

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June 11 2004, 8:49 PM 

I came on the web site and thought someone was impersonating me. If your going to need a gasket set anyway just pull the heads and mic the cylinders. good luck! hope it's a 428 for that nice ride. Tony from Maryland '64 T-bird

 
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tony wellbrook
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yup another one

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June 14 2004, 3:43 PM 

pulling it out of this car on sat. is yours the landau?

 
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tony wellbrook
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okay- 66-427?

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June 27 2004, 5:33 PM 

it has 66-427 casted on the back of the block took the flex plate off and there it was. any ideas what this means?

 
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same as before....

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June 27 2004, 7:48 PM 

it means absolutely nothing. any 66-68 engine could have that on the back randomly. hawkrod

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39 Ford Deluxe Coupe
59 Tbird 430
60 Lincoln Premier
(2)62 Tbirds
(3)68 Cougar XR7-G's
69 Cougar 428CJ 4 speed
77 1/2 Ford F250 4X4 w/460 swap
86 SVO mustang

look at my cars past and present at superford!

 
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Mikael
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Same problem to all...

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July 11 2004, 3:56 PM 

I have had the same problem...
I bought a "real" 390-GT (IP- at that time) 1969.
And was thinking that I was fooled, but the block really after 3-4 years of inspection and checking here and there came out as original !
So that is what it takes. Nobody can tell what block you have... a servie one or original... There has been block with high Nickel concentration and reinforced webs, if anybody happends to find one of theese then hes is a LUCKY guy because they are extraordinary (look out for them at old water-POWER-sports dungeons, but check that the enigne rotates correctly...). If anybody wants to get info on his/her block then the best way is to get as much books/papers on FE:s and then make a database of all info.. then rule out the "not soo possible" cases, then you will probably get the best/nearest result. I've heard/read that Ford "destroyed" all casting-data they used, when new times came.
Mikael


Fairlane -GT 1967
Finland

 
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Mikael
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just forgot...

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July 11 2004, 4:02 PM 

I have a pic on the net of a 390IP -69
http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/mikael.aalto/fe.html
Check it out and give comments....


Thanks, Mikael

 
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just a quick note, there is no such thing as a high nickel block...

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July 13 2004, 7:43 AM 

dave shoe has produced enough documents to dispel that myth. the specialty ford blocks were special but they didn't use nickel to do it. hawkrod

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39 Ford Deluxe Coupe
59 Tbird 430
60 Lincoln Premier
(2)62 Tbirds
(3)68 Cougar XR7-G's
69 Cougar 428CJ 4 speed
77 1/2 Ford F250 4X4 w/460 swap
86 SVO mustang

look at my cars past and present at superford!

 
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Hawk, you're right

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July 13 2004, 6:48 PM 

They used chromium in the iron mix, and for some racing blocks, phosporus. I'm sure Shoe will verify.

P

 
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