Canada's troops to reclaim Arctic
Five-year plan to 'put footprints in the snow' and assert northern sovereignty
TINY HANS ISLAND, COVETED BY DANES TYPIFIES A REGION'S UNCERTAIN BORDERS: The arrow and circle at bottom right indicate Hans Island, which sits halfway between Ellesmere Island, left, and Greenlad, top right, just above the 80th parallel. Denmark has gone so far as to send warships to the island and plant it's flag on the frozen soil.
Canada is launching an extensive five-year plan to march soldiers through all of its uninhabited Arctic territory in the largest bid yet to exert sovereignty over its northern domain, an area drawing increasing international attention and conflicting territorial claims.
A renewed northern mobilization by the army, navy and air force -- including new space-based technology -- marks a significant increase in Canadian Forces resources earmarked for the region at a time when military funding is stretched extremely thin.
The enhanced northern security and sovereignty efforts encompass both low-tech manpower and cutting-edge science, ranging from patrols by soldiers driving snowmobiles and carrying antique rifles (which are more reliable in the biting cold), to an intensive satellite surveillance system to monitor the Arctic from space, the National Post has learned.
"We're putting footprints in the snow where they are not normally put," said Colonel Norris Pettis, who as commander of Canadian Forces Northern Area is the ranking military officer in the north.
The northern push includes:
- The approval of Project Polar Epsilon, a satellite system piggy backing on a new commercial space program, designed to provide surveillance of the north, which encompasses 40% of Canada's land mass, to be operational by 2008.
- The flying of unmanned aerial vehicles this summer over Baffin Island to test their abilities in the extreme conditions of the north.
- The start in August of Exercise Narwhal, the first large-scale war game held in the Arctic involving army, navy and air force units from the south.
- A series of enhanced sovereignty patrols by regular Canadian Forces soldiers and Canadian Rangers, a military unit made up mostly of Inuit, that will see soldiers snowmobiling across almost all of the Arctic archipelago that Canada claims.
- The planning of a last-resort option of building permanent high-frequency surface-wave radar installations to monitor both ends of the Northwest Passage for unauthorized ship activity, both civilian and military. These powerful detectors penetrate out 200 nautical miles to the edge of Canada's territorial waters.
"There is always more that we could do. I would say that our activity levels today are higher than they have been in history," said Col. Pettis.
Although there was no mention of the northern military presence in Tuesday's federal budget, which announced only modest increases for foreign peacekeeping efforts, Col. Pettis said he has been given an "additional bundle of money," for the operations.
The federal budget did allocate $70-million over 10 years for seabed mapping of Canada's Arctic and Atlantic continental shelves.
"This investment will enable Canada, as a signatory to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, to achieve greater certainty with regards to its sovereignty over the Arctic and Atlantic continental shelves, and any mineral and hydrocarbon resources they hold," the budget documents say.
While many of the northern efforts remain in the planning stage, the first of several long-range, land-based sovereignty patrols departs April 1 for an 18-day, 1,300-kilometre trek from Resolute to Alert, a weather station that claims the title as the world's most northerly permanently inhabited settlement.
The journey, expected to face temperatures as low as -44 C, is the longest one-way sovereignty patrol in recent history and is the first of several patrols from Resolute that will cover almost all of Canada's Arctic islands over the next five years, said Major Stewart Gibson, commander of the 1st Canadian Ranger Patrol Group, who will lead the team of 20 soldiers. The second patrol, scheduled for next year, will send troops to Prince Patrick Island.
Each patrol costs about $500,000, he said.
The northern attention comes as international interest in Canada's claim to the far north is increasing. Climate change is bringing increased activity to the area because reduced ice cover makes it possible for ships to travel between Asia and Europe through the Northwest Passage, a far shorter route.
Canada currently has four international territorial disputes in the north, two with the United States, one with Russia and one with Denmark, according to the Department of Foreign Affairs.
The efforts also come as natural resources exploration begins.
"We have exploration going on throughout the Arctic. Oil and gas certainly; there are semi-precious and precious mineral exploration going on there as well. Diamonds, gold, silver, this type of thing," said Maj. Gibson.
The military's northern activities are being developed on a three-stage doctrine of surveillance, assessment and response.
"More important than anything else is our ability as a nation to do surveillance in the north, our consequent ability to detect and analyze what we detect if there is something of an anomaly and then our ability to respond in whatever fashion is deemed necessary or appropriate," said Col. Pettis.
"We have strengths and weaknesses in all areas.
"Right up front, we have a significant weakness in our ability to survey because right now our surveillance is largely dependent on human beings and that is not a terribly efficient way to conduct surveillance in the space age," he said.
The military is looking to Project Polar Epsilon to fill the void. It will buy time for frequent and regular surveillance over the Arctic from a commercial satellite, starting in 2008, he said.
It will monitor water and land activity.
"Our forces are limited in their ability to respond to incidents in the north. We have some limited parachute capability but to expect us to drop 100 people in to a remote area of the north without any significant way of sustaining them isn't really realistic," Col. Pettis said
"Our navy is not ice capable."
A response in the future might be left to Unmanned Aerial Vehicles if tests planned for this summer prove successful, although he had no idea when such planes might be fielded.
To prepare for larger-scale responses, the Department of National Defence is holding a two- to three-week joint force exercise, code named Exercise Narwhal, off the coast of Baffin Island in August. Expected to cost about $5-million, the war game will involve 200 infantry soldiers, the frigate HMSC Montreal, with its complement of 220 sailors, five helicopters and the Twin Otter fleet.
Even further in the future is the possibility of radar installations in the north that look out across the water, rather than in the air as is the traditional use of radar.
An installation in Tuktoyaktuk monitoring the Beaufort Sea in the west and another on the coast of Baffin Island monitoring the Davis Strait in the east would alert the military to any sea incursions, Col. Pettis said.
The current situation is much more down to earth.
There are about 150 regular force troops in the Northern Area; 100 of them army and 50 airforce personnel supporting four Twin Otter aircraft. They are supported by about 1,500 Rangers, reservists drawn from local aboriginal communities.
Dr. Rob Huebert, an Arctic and maritime law specialist with the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, lauded the attention.
"The fact that we have an effort to develop an overall surveillance capability with a limited response capability are very important first steps and absolutely overdue," said Dr. Huebert.
Col. Pettis hopes it is only the beginning.
"As economic development in the north improves and other conditions bring more people into the north there are a lot of good things that flow from that and there is a lot of potential for bad things," said Col. Pettis.
"While the Department of National Defence is not the first in line to deal with all of these issues, we are pretty high on everybody's Who-You-Gonna-Call list if there is trouble."
The Ironic thing is that that whole region should belong to Iceland and/or Norway. We found it and we settled it (before the Inuits even). The Danes have nothing to do with it.
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actually the Inuits have been there for about 2,000 - 7,000 years.
actually, the USA is supposed to provide us air patrols. The president at the time when we had the Avro Arrow, promised us that the USA would provide us patrols.
The Arrow would be perfect for the Artic Patrol.
I hate the liberials for thaie defence cuts.
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>> actually the Inuits have been there for about 2,000 - 7,000 years. <<
Perhaps on the mainland, but not on Greenland. The Inuits living on Greenland now are not even the same people who came into Greenland at the time the Norsemen settled the south. They replaced them at a later stage. Don't remember the details.
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"As part of a peacefull scientific mission the Royal Navy has landed a scientifc party of geologists and diplomats on Hans Island. The diplomats have opened a British embassy on the island. Unfortunatley due to the small size of the island, the embassy (legally UK territory by international law) is actually slightly larger than the entire island. So any landing on the island would have to be considered an invasion of the UK. All efforts are being maintained to prevent any environmental damage to the island, though unfortunatley a Danish Flag pole was accidentaly uprooted.
Mexico has expressed reservations over the fact that the "Scientists" surveying the island are the same 5 British Secret Agents that recently whilst on "holiday" in Mexico gained top secret information about how wet it was in a cave in Mexico.
A UK Government spokesman has denied all claims that this has anything to do with the recent oil finding of Hans island and is just part of Britian's friendly historic ties with the region. "The area was traditionally fished from Iceland, Iceland was originally settled by British Celts in the early 9th Century so this is just a continuation of UK policy in the area such as the occupation of Iceland in 1940 to prevent German invasion."
Blatantly the original post has to be trolling, but it was well done and very funny, so I couldn't resit joining in (though mine was much more blatant).
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"Unfortunatly the Danes have 24 big brothers, and that includes the UK. Britain would be pledged to fight for Denmark."
dont be ridiculous. The alliance between the Europeans is born out of mutual desire to improve their standing in the world. It is a marriage of convenience... not of love. The Europeans work together because they NEED to, not because of genuine kinship and cultural tides.
The brits, yanks, and cannucks though are culturally, historically, and ethnically linked... and have a genuine liking for each other.
If you asked the British what people they feel closest to... they would say the canadians, Americans, or Australians... not the danes. LOL
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>> If you asked the British what people they feel closest to... they would say the canadians, Americans, or Australians... not the danes. LOL <<
They would probably answer the Irish. I actually think Britons have more i common with Danes than Americans though. It might not fit in with your Anglosphere propaganda...
>> The brits, yanks, and cannucks though are culturally, historically, and ethnically linked... and have a genuine liking for each other. <<
And Danes and British are not? lol
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Well thats irrelevant, we signed the European Common Defence Treaty many years ago so we have little choice in the matter.
The British don't break treaty's if we sign something we stick by it.
I'm being serious there is no way that the EU with nations like the UK, France, Spain, and the Netherlands who all have colonialy outposts around the world would stand for it.
And the British are Danish.
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From what I understand when the norsmen came to Greenland [~ 10 centuries ago] there were already aborigionals there. One of the main reasons they died off was because they didn't learn to adapt to the aboriginal lifestyle that was far better suited to the climate and appalling winters.
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"They would probably answer the Irish. I actually think Britons have more i common with Danes than Americans though. It might not fit in with your Anglosphere propaganda..."
First of all, I AM half-British, and Ireland is a DISTANT 5'th behind the Aussies, Kiwis, Cannucks, and yanks. My Dad IS FULLY British, and he HATES the Irish. I have NO IDEA what you are talking about. A decade of IRA bombings hasnt done any good to the relationship. And if you think the British have more in common with the Danes, you are nuts. The British and Americans share the same language, legal system, and cultural mores and traditions.
"And Danes and British are not? lol"
Certaintly not as much as the Americans.
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The Britain would be, as it always is when two friends get annoyed at each other, neutral on the issue and try to negotiate. What else can we do without stirring up a political storm in the EU and with most if not all of our closest allies.
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the point of that is that despite any treaty Canada and Canada's armed forces are technically under the British royal family control. Its a symbolic thing, but it also keeps our ties strong.
As well, Bush would at least lend us some Air-to-Air refeulers for some CF-18 patrols up there.
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Give me a break, the U.K. actually giving the realm of military action against Canada a shot in order to preserve the order of the E.U., what are you smoking.......
I could never see the Brits do such a thing, and for the Danes......
I love how some as well try to act as if Australia, Canada, the U.S., and Britain, don't have much in common as some see it......
The English language could be a start.....culturally it's rather unmistakable.....
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>> Give me a break, the U.K. actually giving the realm of military action against Canada a shot in order to preserve the order of the E.U., what are you smoking....... <<
It is about as likely as the US taking time to help Canada capture an Arctic island off Canada's coast from a country with 1/6th of Canada's population... lol
>>The English language could be a start... <<
Obviously...
>> ...culturally it's rather unmistakable..... <<
No, you are fooled by the common language. Britain's special relationship with the US is as with every other country a flood of American tv shows, movies etc... If Britons are honest they will see that their lifestyle is very similar to their European neighbours and perhaps not as similar as they would like to think to the US.
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As a Briton, I wouldnt give the EU a second thought if such a situation were to occur.
Someone said we would be obliged to fight for Denmark, as part of the EU. lol. Rubbish!
Whereas Britain is right next to its European neighbours, I fundamentally regard them as foreigners. And although the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are thousands of miles from us, I feel an inate linkage to them. It will be because of the same language.
When I meet an Aussie, I dont think of them as a foreigner. More like a Briton with a different accent. Same with the rest of the Anglosphero's. One of my cousins is married to an Australian, and I never really thought about it.
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WRT the Irish, I pretty much feel the same about them as I do the N.Americans and Australasians. I live in Liverpool, where there is a historically large Irish community. Irealand used to be part of Britain. I watch 'Father Ted' (Irish comedy), and listen to Irish music such as U2 and the Corrs.
As far as the IRA and 3 decades of their bombing goes, I dont blame the Irish nation. Its extremists within Ireland.
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It is about as likely as the US taking time to help Canada capture an Arctic island off Canada's coast from a country with 1/6th of Canada's population... lol
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Well it's off their coast, it would be a bit embarrassing if the U.S. sent up a Hamilton cutter for support, lol......
Ohh, I see, all Americana Propaganda it is,..... ;p...
Atleast Americans and Canadians(despite are differences), are for the most part very much a like, hell my principle is Canadian(Thunder Bay I believe), would have never known if he didn't say anything after a few conversations....
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Yea, Americans like us weather we disagree or agree with what they're doing. If there was ever a threat to America Canada would be doing its best to help. AND vice versa.
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Yea, Americans like us weather we disagree or agree with what they're doing. If there was ever a threat to America Canada would be doing its best to help. AND vice versa.
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Well, you know, besides that failed attempt to invade you guys back when the Brits were camping out in North America...... ;p
but hey, we didn't win.......
Sometimes though, I look at that map of mighty North America, and see that large and resource plentiful nation of Canada, and I think, "Gee, we would have looked alot more intimidating to the Soviets if we were one nation", get a wittle tear in my eye.....
As Spartan once said, sometimes those Yanks want Canada so bad after they see all of that Beaver, but at last it will never come.....
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I've heard many people saying that British is 51st state of America, but after reading this thread i think Canada is the 51st and British is 52nd. Canada's case is more worst then British, they can't even defend there own territory without the help of America.
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Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK and America should become one big Union, something like the EU. They’re are a few draw backs as the US would dominant and always have their way because they are so much bigger then the rest of us but hell. We could counter the EU, Russia, China… well the whole god dam world if we wanted too. Make China and the EU think twice about messing with us. Imagine the recourses, the energy and the power of it all. Australia has millions of tones of Uranium, Iron oar, gold, diamonds, coal, etc. Canada has a huge amount of resources. We would be the biggest super power in the world that no country could counter. We would also have both the southern and northern hemisphere dominated. Project power very easy in Asia and Europe in a small amount of time. There would be no stopping us MWAWHAAHAHA! That’s a little food for thought.
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Which is the sq area of this island?
If the British set in there an embassy representation... mmmm! Maybe from Saint Pierre et Miquelon they could chart a fishing boat with 2 gendarmes to preserve peace and order...
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I think Denmark and Canada should agree to disagree and leave the island alone. It is not important enough to destroy what I assume are good relations.
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Well, it looks to be more of a sign that you can at least protect your sovereign land from the Canadian prospective.....not of an actual large dispute, I doubt anything will come out of it......
To me the whole Spanish / Morocco "rock island" deal was even worse......although this is between two Caucasian nations......
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Is there any oil on the island? Pretty idiotic squabbel if you ask me, they're basically fighting over an iceberg. America can be considered Canada on steriods; bigger, stronger, madder.
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I thought the original post was trolling, I couldn't believe that it was a real issue. Sorry I was totally wrong.
I foung quite an interesting article about it, the issue isn't so much the island itself (i.e. small no mineral resources) but more that it will alter maritime boundaries and they effect control over fishing grounds.
More seriously it indicates that Canda has only limited control over it Northern territories. I think Satellite coverage is the way forwards.
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You say the island should be Norwegian because Greenland was settled by Norwegians once. Well, Norway was settled from Denmark. Where does that get you??
On the other hand, I think we´ll let it go if you give us back our oilfields. Its common knowledge our foreign minister was drunk when he signed them over to you
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>> You say the island should be Norwegian because Greenland was settled by Norwegians once. Well, Norway was settled from Denmark. Where does that get you?? <<
I think you have ruled Norway for more than enough already... lol
It's realy quite simple. Greenland, Iceland and the Faero Islands entered the Danish-Norwegian union with Norway, but stayed with Denmark when we left. Your claim to Greenland is very week.
I remember seeing a Danish programme on Greenland where the journalist kept refering to the Norwegians and Icelanders who settled it as Norboere. I saw that as an attempt to hide the fact that no (or atleast very few) Danish had been involved...
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Forces to 'flex muscles' in north
Largest exercise ever 'sends a message ... that we are here'
Chris Wattie
National Post
Saturday, March 27, 2004
Canada is sending one of its largest warships, a squadron of helicopters and 200 ground troops to the high Arctic this summer in an exercise designed to show the flag -- and a little military muscle -- in the North.
And while the military says the three-week-long exercise, code-named Narwhal, has nothing to do with Denmark's claim to a tiny island in the far North, it will be the largest Canadian Forces exercise ever in the Arctic.
"This is a first," Colonel Norris Pettis, commander of the Canadian Forces northern area, said yesterday.
"This is the first time we'll have a joint naval, air and land force operating this far north. And it's sending a message that this land is important to us ... that we can put troops, and aircraft and ships, on the ground to respond to whatever we might be called upon to deal with.
"It's putting a military presence up here ... flexing our muscles."
The patrol frigate HMCS Montreal is to sail sometime in August to the Arctic, where it will be joined by five CH-146 Griffon helicopters and two companies of the 2nd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment, the largest combined force that has ever operated in the North.
Col. Pettis said such a "robust" military presence in the desolate tundra of Baffin Island will not go unnoticed.
"It sends a message, first of all to the people of the North, secondly to all Canadians and certainly to whatever other countries out there may be watching that we are here and that this place is important to us," he said in a telephone interview from his headquarters in Yellowknife. "This is an attempt to demonstrate that we are here and we are paying attention to what happens in the North."
Meanwhile, Canadian diplomats are considering an offer from the Danish ambassador to negotiate the future of Hans Island, a three-kilometre-long stretch of rock and ice in the Nares Strait between Ellesmere Island and Greenland.
Svend Roed Nielsen, the Danish government's top representative in Canada, told the National Post this week that he is willing to start "negotiating" with Canada.
However, he added that his government is not backing down from its claim that the barren and uninhabited island is in Danish territory.
Reynald Doiron, a Foreign Affairs spokesman, said Ottawa is considering a response to the ambassador's offer, but added that Canada is not backing down either. "Our position is that the island is ours; their position is that the island is theirs," he said.
"As far as Canada-Danish relations are concerned we have tried to keep this low-key [but] we have agreed to disagree."
Hans Island does not even appear on most maps, but it has become a focus of challenges to Canada's sovereignty over the Arctic archipelago, where islands and waterways long claimed as Canadian are facing challenges from foreign governments.
Danish warships showed up off its coast in the summer of 2002. A group of sailors disembarked and reportedly hoisted the Danish flag, actions which Canada considered a violation of its sovereignty.
Dr. Richard Gimblett, a former Canadian navy officer who is now a research fellow with Dalhousie University's Centre for Foreign Policy Studies, said the upcoming exercise will send a significant message in the North.
"If you're laying claim to a piece of land you have to use it -- you have to show that you can go there, stay there and control it," he said. "The Canadian Forces is a good way to help establish that."
However, Dr. Gimblett said that the Canadian navy is limited in what it can do in the North since its front-line warships -- patrol frigates like HMCS Montreal and its Iroquois-class destroyers -- cannot venture into even loosely packed ice in Arctic waters.
"It would be nice if we had ships that could go up there year-round, but we don't," he said.
And with global warming making the northwest passage through Canada's Arctic navigable for longer stretches every year, he said we will need a naval capability in the North very soon.
"Within 10 or 15 years the passage could be open year-round," he said. "It has the potential to become a super-highway for shipping between Europe and east Asia."
Exercise Narwhal will cost an estimated $5-million and the logistics of transporting and supporting so many soldiers, sailors and airmen to such an isolated area will be formidable, Col. Pettis said.
"It's going to be a challenge just getting them here," he said. "It's just a few hundred kilometres from Iqaluit, but there aren't any roads. So it's an achievement just getting them where they're supposed to be going."
The exercise will be the "cap stone" in a series of military moves in the North designed to bolster Canada's claim over the vast stretches of the uninhabited Arctic, Col. Pettis said.
Canada has launched a five-year plan to increase its military presence throughout its uninhabited Arctic territory, including satellite surveillance and far-reaching patrols of soldiers riding snowmobiles.
A patrol of Canadian Rangers is to leave next week on a long-distance trek to Alert.
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Canada would Destroy the Danish army... our navy is surperior and our Airforce is superior. They are a lot smaller country.... but still we would need a carrier to properly attack Denmark itself, as for Greenland I see no problem in taking a few small towns.
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gota agree its easy to see Canada would win hands down
and after reading the whole thread who could anyone think we would choose Denmark over Canada for god sake!? Treaty or no treaty I could never see us fighting each othere EVER
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HAHA, We can take Greenland whenever we want, just wait til lI'm prime Minister ....
Anyway, Canada neeeds some Air-Air Refuellers so we could actually strike Denmark or as I said earliers a Carrier....
Dreams that may still come true in the nexts 10 years ....
anyway, Canada would be able to occupy Greenland for some time, especially if we had a draft and an increase in spending. As for the Danish Striking back, There would be a serious naval war, but we have the Advantage with our Halifax Frigates, and even the Iroquios.
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Whats the actual status of Greenland anyway? I know its linked in someway to Denmark but I was under the impresion the US just treats it like its own teritory anyway, are there not a number of US bases there?
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It is a self-governed territory under nominal Danish rule. Large funds are transfered from Denmark to Greenland each year. It is also, unlike Denmark, not a member state in the EU.
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wow the construction they carried out there is impresive as hell! Nuclear powerd mini cities under the ice its a shame they abandond them but the cost must have been bloody huge!
I use the same name for all my net stuff easyer to rember been useing it for 6 years! shame thet wont let me use it at work
btw I did want to use another Anglosphere flag a saw a while ago but cant find it, it kind of merged the the commonwelth 5 and the us in one very nice but I lost it
If Canadian provinces were made into US states, Denmark would have never even brought this topic up, the island would be bonafide US territory and the Danish would know to keep their mouth's shut. Because the US could easily hop across the Atlantic and give Denmark an attitude adjustment.
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Yeah the flag looks good but the story behind it is better
The Hawaii State Flag
Before 1810 each of the populated Hawaiian Islands was ruled by its own King and the political and religious systems administerd by ali'i and kahuna (chiefs and priests). Though there were conflicts between the various ali'i and kings from time to time, the people of the islands, for the most part farmers and fishermen, were not inclined toward long term war and life among the islands was relatively peaceful and practical.
That was before 1810 and before a young, ambitious ali'i, Kamehameha, managed to aquire a small schooner with a cannon. With the help of his cannon and various small arms brought to the islands by European travelers, he was able to take control of the island chain from Hawaii to Kauai. He instituted systems of governance, commerce, and taxation establishing his court on the island of Hawaii and appointing governors to control all of the other islands. Kamehameha created a single sovereign nation that gained recognition as such by the major powers of the world.
In 1816, Kamehameha the Great commissioned the Hawaiian Flag, the flag that has represented Hawaii the nation, Hawaii the people and Hawaii the state for over 180 years. Though Hawaii's independence was briefly challenged in 1843 by Lord Paulette, Great Britain sent Admiral Thomas to officially restore and recognize Hawaii's sovereignty and flag on July 31, 1843.
On that same day, Kamehameha III proclaimed "Ua mau ke ea o ka `aina i ka pono." (The life [independence] of the land is perpetuated in righteousness.) And, two years later on May 20, 1945, Kamehameha III officially re-commissioned and dedicated the Hawaiian Flag at the opening of the Kingdoms Legislature.
The eight alternating white, red and blue stripes represent the eight islands of Hawaii. The British Union Jack represents Hawaii's historical relationship with Great Britian as its protectorate. It also represents a stylized puela (a triangular standard laying across two crossed spears called an alia) which is the symbol of the Hawaiian ali'i.
lol we didb't defend then very well against you did we?
I know annexing Canada is a pipe dream, because we would'nt just invade Canada without cause, and since they don't really make any trouble, it'll never happen. Although as a cricket once said "if you wish upon a star...."
Fool, by the way, you need something with little more pop than a standard .22 to actually kill one of our soldiers, before getting mowed down by a trigger happy Marine. Because the only way you're going to recognize an American is by the uniform, a military uniform. Bulletproof vests.
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By that time Canada will ban civilians from owning "any" firearm while the average American city-folk owns a Beretta 9mm and the average country-side resident is lacking if he doesn't own atleast two 12 gauge's and a rife, hell , my fifth grade teacher had two assault rifles(not a lie).........
Well just have to watch out for Mantis in Toronto with those Korean USAS-12's he's hiding under his bed..... ;p
I personally own a .30 cal rifle w/ scope, a crossbow, 3-4 swords, a bunch of knives including a K-BAR, and at any time I can dish up a batch of Molotovs and Napalm. I'm proud to be an American.
Soon I'd like to get a AK-47. Fool, I've a homemade shrapnel bomb recipe I could tell you about
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LOL,
I also know how to make Napalm, Tennisball bombs, an assortment of different pipe bombs and a little chemical mix that can make you go blind .... I love Science class...
"deeds, not words"
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One of the easiest ones is: you get a one liter plastic soda bottle and fill it half way with gasoline. Then you wrap a few chlorine tablets in a cloth and stick it through the bottle opening. Then you throw the bottle and it explodes like a S.O.B when the tablets become soaked with the gasoline igniting the fuel.
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Pretty idiotic squabbel if you ask me, they're basically fighting over an iceberg. America can be considered Canada on steriods; bigger, stronger, madder.
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