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Radical Aircraft Designs

August 4 2004 at 11:18 PM
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Cid  (Login cid-highwind)

Since I'm an aircraft fan, i would like to ask you to post pictures of the most radical fighter aircraft designs. Both prop an jet fighters designs. And it doesnt matter if it is never actually produced. Just designs/fictional is also fine.
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August 4 2004, 11:31 PM 

Something like that???




















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August 4 2004, 11:35 PM 

Very nice, are these real Nazi-German Airforce Designs? Some of them look like present aircraft. I know the US used many German designs after WWII. I see one aircraft which resembles the A-10 and one aircraft which resemble the B2 bomber.




    
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August 4 2004, 11:39 PM 

"are these real Nazi-German Airforce Designs?"

These are real german industrial projects and design studies, with a big "creative touch from the artist"

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August 4 2004, 11:46 PM 

Would have been nice to see some of them fly. I see often prop planes with the prop on the back of the plane, I wonder if it performes better than. Anyway it looks more streamlined. I like the 11th and 15th designs.
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August 4 2004, 11:58 PM 

Lol looks like the Boeing JSF. Anyway I think the YF-23 Blackwidow looks much nicer than the F-22 Raptor. The Blackwidow looks very cool.


 
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August 5 2004, 12:18 AM 

Although now it doesnt look radical, this plane was first build in 1949, so must have looked radical then. Also what strikes me is his tail shape and the small engine intakes.





One of my fav designs








 
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August 5 2004, 12:50 AM 

Northrop X/YB-35





Convair X-36 "Peacemaker"


Douglas XB-42
"Mixmaster"


Northrop YRB-49A



Martin XB-51(one of my fav's)



Northrop XP-79B


McDonnell XP-67


Northrop XP-56 "Black Bullet"


Curtiss XP-55 "Ascender"


Vultee XP-54 "Swoose Goose"


McDonnell XF-85 "Goblin"


North American F-82
"Twin Mustang"




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August 5 2004, 2:36 AM 

UK Halton Meteor


Avroplane


US Northrop M2-F2


US Chance-Vought V-173


US Martin Marietta X-24B


Canada B-2000 Transport


US Nasa X-43 Hypersonic aircraft (Mach 7+) current


US 'Aurora' aircraft.





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August 5 2004, 5:06 AM 

I always liked German WW2 aricraft design.Its just a good thing for the Allies,that the Germans didn't have more of a " window " of opportunity,than they did.Otherwise,some things might just a bit " different " ,in the world today.

 
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August 5 2004, 7:06 AM 

Here's a couple of interesting WW2 Japanese aircraft.

Kyushu J7W1 Shinden 'Magnificent Lightning' (experimental)


Mitsubishi J7M1 Shusui 'Rigorous Sword' (experimental)


Yokosuka MXY-7 Ohka 'Cherry Blossom' (disturbing name for a suicide plane)


Rather gallant names...




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August 5 2004, 8:06 AM 

I agree... Had Germany waited until '43 to begin the larger European war (as Hitler had intimated to his Generals in the late 1930s as the likely point at which such fighting would be) then there is no telling what the Germans could have produced. No doubt, even without the resources to produce them, the German aeronautical community was extremely far ahead of everyone else in terms of technology and also understanding the future demands of aerial warfare. Hey, what if Hitler had simply allowed the Me-262 to go ahead as a fighter in 1943 rather than demanding it's (very unsuited) priority be bombing..??? Imagine the difference that would have made-strategic bombing would have stagnated and who knows what would have happened.....?

 
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August 5 2004, 10:01 AM 

Hey Apex is Justin Rhodes your real name? Sounds cool.


 
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August 5 2004, 11:04 AM 

@RobL,

Thanks,yes Justin Rhodes is my real name, though I've never had it complimented like you have done, if its of any interest my middle name is Ryan.

I was listening to BBC radio once and heard about a British soccer player that shares my name.

p.s. Your comment has inspired me to put a post on the GD forum titled 'What Is Your Real Name'

Just to stick to the thread:

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August 5 2004, 11:26 AM 



Payen Pa.100 1933
First delta plane (even delta+canard)
Check http://home.att.net/~dannysoar2/Payen.htm for more infos on Payen's planes






Dirigible "La France" 1884
First reliable, stearable flying machine, built for the army.
50x8.4m 8Hp 20km/h !







Bugatti.100 1938
Contra-rotating propellers + lot of amazing technical choices
More infos: http://home.uni-one.nl/bugatti/revue3/rev3-2.htm






Nord 1500 "Griffon" 1959
Mach 2.2 turbojet+ramjet







Leduc ramjet 1938-1953
Without ww2, this plane would have flown in early 40-ies.
More infos: http://aerostories.free.fr/constructeurs/leduc/page7.html

 
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August 5 2004, 11:45 AM 

"I always liked German WW2 aricraft design.Its just a good thing for the Allies,that the Germans didn't have more of a " window " of opportunity,than they did.Otherwise,some things might just a bit " different " ,in the world today."

The Germans couldnt have been worse than the present Americans. The irony is that Nazism died, but the military hardware of Nazism survived in the hands of the Soviets and the Americans, and they did and are doing the kind of damage Hitler would have liked to see.

B.T.W. very,very,very nice pics of the plane West, do post more of them.

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August 5 2004, 11:57 AM 

Indika, post a radical plane or STFU, please. Its good to see that I'm a Nazi. F*** off.

Bell X-2


Douglas X-3


Lockheed X-33


X-39


X-36





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August 5 2004, 12:05 PM 

Wasn't the Japanese Ohka also called the "Baka" (fool) by American Pilots? Supposedly they were easy to shoot down.

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August 5 2004, 12:12 PM 

"Its good to see that I'm a Nazi. F*** off."

Thats complete junk..just when did i call you a Nazi?? I never called you, or for that matter anyone, a fascist.

Gab: "BAKA"..Mega LOL!!!!


"My heart reaches out to the people of Assam"- Jawahar Lal Nehru, 1962. When Assam was considered "LOST" after the Indian army fled for their lives from the invading Chinese leaving the population at their mercy and the Chinese army reached till Tezpur.

 
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August 5 2004, 12:21 PM 

Here is a nice design from a Japanese game.
The R-101 Delphinus, looks like it can fly fast. i wish this plane existed. The R-102 and R-103 are also very nice, but sadly I coudnt find any pictures of them.




 
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August 5 2004, 12:24 PM 

Probably some of my favorite helicopter designs.

S-66





S-67





S-69



RAH-66 (guess it qualifies)



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August 5 2004, 12:32 PM 

@Indika When you say Americans are 'worse than nazis', that kind of over-generalizes a bit, OK. I don't want to argue with you, but don't generalize so much.

X-Prize Contender Scaled Composites Space Ship One


X-Prize Contender Bristol Ascender





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August 5 2004, 12:37 PM 

The space ship one looks very nice. But pretty weird it can go so high. How large is it anyway, hard to see when its in air.


 
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August 5 2004, 12:41 PM 

Always liked the German stuff.



Horten Ho XVIII A "Amerika Bomber"


Horten Ho XVIII B "Amerika Bomber"


Horten Ho XIII B


Focke-Wulf VTOL Project




There are lots of weird Luftwaffe projects if you check em out on this site:

http://www.luft46.com/




 
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August 5 2004, 12:43 PM 

@Cid,

Here's a pic to show Space Ship One's scale:


The bottom of the center fuselage comes off to blast into space with its rocket motor, the wing assembly contains the jet engines to get it to altitude.








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August 5 2004, 12:47 PM 

Can't believe this one hasn't been posted yet



And the most radical of all.....radical enough to change the world






    
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August 5 2004, 12:59 PM 

Space Ship One may not be very big and advanced as the Space Shuttle, but yet it can get to the edge of space. Today it seems like only the Elite pilots, engineers and scientists can get to space. But I hope to see the day when civilian space ships fly regular flights between earth and space. Only then we can inhabit space. (And mess it up like Earth, lol)


 
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August 5 2004, 2:33 PM 

I found this site with pretty interesting designs.

http://www.lowobservable.com/X-Craft.htm


 
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August 6 2004, 1:08 AM 

Hows this then from our friendly Ruskies (o:

MiG-31 Firefox

Had trouble posting the pics, but heres the link

http://thinkinrussian.org/illustrations.cfm

Anyone have any other cool Russian designs?

 
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August 6 2004, 4:12 AM 

The Nazis couldn't be worse than the Americans are now?? Are you out of your mind?!? Let me know when we have concentration camps and gas 50,000 people a day(in one camp),and kill 10,000,000 people.Your an ungrateful assh*le.IF the Nazis would have won,your ass might not even be here to complain about the " evil " Americans.The Nazis and/or Japanese would have caught up with you eventually as you would be of a very inferior race.You'd either,have been never been born or in a slave labor camp,those are your choices,so you can just tell me " thanks America ",and be on your way.

 
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August 6 2004, 5:05 AM 

Paljoey, I think you misunderstand Indika. He was probably talking strictly technologically, not politically.

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August 7 2004, 2:31 AM 

If you say so,I'll take your word for it.

 
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Very interesting stuff

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August 7 2004, 10:55 AM 

appart for stealth, most designed had all ready been drawned by German designers before and during WWII. Forvard/conventional sweep wings, flying wings, scissor wings, variable geometry, Canard configuration, delta, reverse delta etc. Their designs gave birth to both the F86 Sabre and the Mig 15. They were the most inventive of all nations.



    
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August 7 2004, 11:37 AM 

That's not true Thunder.
German designs may have been hightly publicized, but they are not so often at the origin of radical designs (if you exept Lilienthal).
Check my earlier post in this thread or google some great names such as Lorin, Coanda, Ader, Leduc, Payen, Farman.
Delta, jet, ramjet, rocket, inverted wings, pusher, etc, are not german inventions ... not in totality at least.

 
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Agreed, but they had designed most western modern solutions.

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August 7 2004, 2:17 PM 

the one i did mentioned for exemple. I know European aircraft manufacturers were quiet capable, but when it come to the use of the aerodynamic solutions, the German designs were widely used by both East and west. French aerospace was quiet good in 1939, look at the last (Marcel) Bloch prototype and compare to the FW190. (I think it was the Bloch 157 or so captured by the German Army during their advance in 1939).


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Hauteur : 3.20 m Surface portante 19.40 m²
Equipage : 1
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Agreed, but they had designed most western modern solutions.

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August 7 2004, 2:19 PM 

the one i did mentioned for exemple. I know European aircraft manufacturers were quiet capable, but when it come to the use of the aerodynamic solutions, the German designs were widely used by both East and west. French aerospace was quiet good in 1939, look at the last (Marcel) Bloch prototype and compare to the FW190,and the P47 as well. (I think it was the Bloch 157 or so captured by the German Army during their advance in 1939).


Envergure : 10.70 m Longueur : 9.70 m
Hauteur : 3.20 m Surface portante 19.40 m²
Equipage : 1
Masse à vide : 2390 kg Masse totale : 3250 kg



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August 7 2004, 2:20 PM 

good thing to have a collgue here!





 
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August 7 2004, 3:08 PM 

Sopwith Triplane





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Do 335




de Haviland Vampire




Boeing B29






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August 7 2004, 7:34 PM 

"but they are not so often at the origin of radical designs (if you exept Lilienthal)."

The Problem is, what is the origin? For example, you said Payen build the first delta plane, it was in 1933. Well, in fact Lippisch build a motorized delta plane in 1930 with its first flight in 1931, and delta gliders in the 20s. But is he the origin? What if there was a man nobody knows in the american mid-west, in the scottish highlands or in the russian taiga who build a motorized delta plane in the 20s? In fact, the first patent for a delta wing was given in england in the late 19th century, without realisation. Now, whats the origin of delta?
I don't think that it is easy to say person xy is the origin, especially in the early years of flight. Each country has its pioneers, and each pioneer found a solution for his problems.

One great example, the Wright brothers. They were not the first one who flew motorized, there are some names we have to mention here. But nevertheless the wright brothers are real pioneers, because they do more research after their triumph, and it was their flight presentations, especially here in europe, which changed the world of aeronautic. One guy who saw them flying decided to study aeronautic, decided to build his own planes and decided to build them in a way nobody he knows build it before. It was the above mentioned Lippisch, and even if he did not "invent" the delta, his work on tailless-delta-planes changed the world too, and led to the first delta fighter build by american pioneers who studied lippisch's work. So, you see, the origins of something are wide-spread, and i believe that we shall give respect to all pioneers...

"French aerospace was quiet good in 1939"
"I think it was the Bloch 157"
Yes, right, it was the Bloch 157 prototype. But well, the Bloch 150 and follow-ons were not as good as the Bf 109. I think to present how good french aerospace industry really was it is better to choose the Dewoitine D.520, a very good fighter and on top at its time.

And because this has all nothing to do with the topic, here are two pics g






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MB-157 and Marcel Bloch

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August 8 2004, 2:08 PM 

"Yes, right, it was the Bloch 157 prototype",
Thunder note: if you look at the specs you'll figure that if produced it would have bettered even a TA 152 a few years later. The Bloch 152 was the equivalent of the Hawker Hurricane.
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August 8 2004, 3:23 PM 

M.B. 157 was a very advanced prototype, but badly nothing more. From the fighters serving at french air force at war the most capable was the Dewoitine, as i said an excellent fighter. Bloch's fighter had some problems, with the contruction and deliveries. The 157 was the only one of them that was really capable. A comparison between the 157 and the Ta-152 is not easy, since there was no full equiped 157 to compare to. But by the datas i have i believe that both were nearly on par and excellent high level fighters...





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i'm not going to argue...

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August 8 2004, 3:48 PM 

Kurt Tank WAS an excellent designer too.
Did you read what i posted previously about German design? The only thing is: France procurement was SLOW. Year after the design were finished aircraft weren't ordered and there were better and more performant aircrafts than the Dewoitine 520 ready to be produced at the begining of the war. Marcel bloch was as good as anyone else at the time, if not better than most (look where he got at the end!). I promess you you would beneficiate from reading about it.




 
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August 8 2004, 4:23 PM 

"The Nazis couldn't be worse than the Americans are now??" YES

"Are you out of your mind?!? " NO

"Let me know when we have concentration camps and gas 50,000 people a day(in one camp),and kill 10,000,000 people."

Dont know for sure but it did come once in "THE DISCOVERY" channel that the Americans detained Japanesse nationals residing in America in the pretty much same **** conditions. And yea America was racist, ask Muhammed Ali if he thinks diferrently. About killings? Ever wondered how many people you killed in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia in the Vietnam conflict? Thousands of Iraqi civillians were also killed in both the Gulf wars.
Its only a change in degree, nothing else. Its the same assertion of political will throughout the world that the America has, same with Hitler.

"Your an ungrateful assh*le.IF the Nazis would have won,your ass might not even be here to complain about the " evil " Americans."

Not the least of an ungrate you logerrhead, ask the Brits and they will tell you the number of Indian infantrymen who fought in WW2 against the Nazis and the Japs. Ask the French to be grateful to you, they are indebted to you for their existence.

"The Nazis and/or Japanese would have caught up with you eventually as you would be of a very inferior race."

You kidding me? Hitler dug his own grave when he attcked USSR, the war was over for Hitler post "Barbarossa". And who was fighting the Japs in the Burmese jungles you *******? The yankees were there, so were the Indian infantrymen.

Ever visited Nagaland? Do visit it, it was the limit the Japs could advance till and it was here that the Japs were hammered back by the Indian infantrymen, albeit serving under the British flag. Heard the quote?
" When you go home, tell them of us and say, for your tommorow, we gave our today". The words written in the epitah of the brave soldiers who laid down their lives to defend the country.

"You'd either,have been never been born or in a slave labor camp,those are your choices,"

Well, even the Imperial Britishers offered our forefathers the same option, so whats the difference?

"so you can just tell me " thanks America ",and be on your way."

Too much of Hollywood mania for you mate. Like i said, tell that to the French, they owe you a LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.


"My heart reaches out to the people of Assam"- Jawahar Lal Nehru, 1962. When Assam was considered "LOST" after the Indian army fled for their lives from the invading Chinese leaving the population at their mercy and the Chinese army reached till Tezpur.


    
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Nothing to argue about

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August 8 2004, 4:54 PM 

Its nothing new for me, Bloch was of course one of the great men of flight history. There is nothing to argue about, and you should read my post more carefully, since i am just confirming and expanding your post. The 157 was ahead of its time, but it never left prototype status due to the problams you have mentioned above. Thats all...

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August 8 2004, 9:22 PM 

>>Dont know for sure but it did come once in "THE DISCOVERY" channel that the Americans detained Japanesse nationals residing in America in the pretty much same **** conditions.<<

They werent execution camps were they though. The American-Japanese werent sent there to be gassed and incinerated they were being detained, boy is there a massive difference.

>>And yea America was racist, ask Muhammed Ali if he thinks diferrently. About killings? Ever wondered how many people you killed in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia in the Vietnam conflict? Thousands of Iraqi civillians were also killed in both the Gulf wars.
Its only a change in degree, nothing else. Its the same assertion of political will throughout the world that the America has, same with Hitler.<<

Its fairly outrageous to compare Nazi Germany to the modern US. Bush may not be the most well spoken or intelligent man you'll ever see but he sure isnt Hitler Mrk II. You cannot imagine how different the world would be today if Britain had been defeated, Hitler's treatment of the Jews was just the tip of the iceberg. I really hope you understand this.


>>"The Nazis and/or Japanese would have caught up with you eventually as you would be of a very inferior race."

Ever visited Nagaland? Do visit it, it was the limit the Japs could advance till and it was here that the Japs were hammered back by the Indian infantrymen, albeit serving under the British flag. Heard the quote?
" When you go home, tell them of us and say, for your tommorow, we gave our today". The words written in the epitah of the brave soldiers who laid down their lives to defend the country.<<

And what of the tens of thousands of British and Australians who fought there. Im not knocking the brave Indians that fought the Japanese at battles such Imphal but dont forget many thousands of Indians also foht against the British on the Japs side. The quote was from a British soldier im pretty sure aswell.



P.S Im sorry for going off topic Thunder & Westfale as you were having a (much) more relevent discussion.



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August 8 2004, 10:21 PM 

@ Westfale
I mostly agree with your description of revolution in aircraft design which would be closer from an evolution ... a kind of collective work. However, I'm a bit skeptic about this fascination for ww2 german designs you can by the way see in this thread. That's why I answered in a such manner to Thunder's honnest post. It's a kind of grey zone where technology meets with ideologies and I fear that a kind of romantism to also attach itself to that period. See what I mean ?

 
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August 9 2004, 12:05 AM 

@ribouldingue

I see what you mean, and you are right in that way. Especially because there are some idiots who combined the german technological efforts to the masterrace-theorie (which is in fact the most stupid idea in history). But nevertheless the technological research done at this time is worth to be mentioned, and worth to be fascinating, if we never forget that this achievement were not reached by the nazis, but by men and women, scientist and engineers, german people. They have done their work before the nazis came to power, and the have done it after the nazis were succesfully removed and its dictatorship was crushed down. So, i believe both is possible at the same moment, to be fascinated by german designs, and to be anti-nazi and antinationalistic.

But thanks to you for your statement, and for the information given before. Really fascinating projects, especially the delta-canard-plane

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August 9 2004, 1:10 AM 

Westfale,
Then I fear we are in total agreement
I may be skeptic for the reasons I explained, but I'm also fascinated by these designs and engineering achievements. Even half a century later, I could not resist the envy to feel like a pioneer and step inside one these ships, certainly at the price of my life. And how about sitting right in the middle of a ramjet engine ?!!! Brrrr

 
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August 9 2004, 2:29 AM 

I really can't take you too serious,so I won't.You're probably just another Indian national living in America because you can't make it back home,and yet,you see fit to bash it and laughably compare it to Nazi Germany?..lol.If you ask me you're suffering from a case of envy.Either way,I don't think you as an Indian even rate to have an opinion on America,and what it owes to whom,one thing is for sure America doesn't owe India sh*t,thats one certainty.

 
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I think if anyone should complain about nazy germany it should be me.

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August 9 2004, 5:26 PM 

My Mum spent 3 years in Auswich and tought me some: The first victims of the Nazis were Germans. Forgiveness is something we should learn from the one who realy did have some to complain about. So i suggest we drop the nazi bulls for there are none of us who can be blamed for the errors of the previous generations, nor can we claim their glory. Cheers.


    
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