I have to start this Topic since my old Thread was bombed by others with pictures.

Please don't post pictures only discuss if you are interested.

For HBN, as I said before, 24 hours to bring down Taiwan, completely.


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Never underestimate your adversary HBN. Wars, battles have been lost that way. I doubt the Taiwanese will be as easy to subdue as you assume.

You also have to take the American factor into account, they are the wild card in the whole situation.

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Yes, as for a guy like HBN I calculated ALL factors into the plan.

If war goes according to my plan, using ALL means I have, the chance is that for 99.99% I will take out Taiwan without 1 single bullet fired no single man from both Taiwan and Mainland lost.


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Regale us with your military genius oh master





"To urge the preparation of defence is not to assert the imminence of war. On
the contrary, if war were imminent, preparations for defense would be too
late." (Churchill, 1934)

No I will not "Regale" you if HBN talks the plan you will feel only pain but "Regale".

Hitler is a genius of Evil, HBN is a genius of Peace & Love, always remember that.

But to start, I first need Taiwan to declare independence, if you can gurranttee they will, I will have no problem to show my plan, for the God's sake, for the peave and love of mankind.


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just keep buiding missiles, airplanes and ships, increase # of ICBM and nculear warheads --- that will keep american at bay, when those rebels finally realize that there is no hope to win and no american will come to rescue them, they might want to sit and talk.

is this another ten thousand megaton plan HBN?





"To urge the preparation of defence is not to assert the imminence of war. On
the contrary, if war were imminent, preparations for defense would be too
late." (Churchill, 1934)

nbwz, your way is too complicated.

lee, it involved nukes, and it plays a major "role" in the plan, but that's not the real issue in the plan.

HBN has a complete plan for the Game, I will crack their mind to outburst in 24 hours to force them knee down in front of HBN.


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- Per chance you avocated a Big Gambit to fired off a tactical nukes East of Taiwan in middle of no were in Pacific Ocean; and demanded Taiwan surrendered in 24 hours!

- This Big Gambit, forced the American to see we are serious about using Nukes to subjugate Taiwan; thus, force the American government and American public to back down to help Taiwan for fear of a MAD war.

- In the mean time, Taiwan population is all scare off; for the next tactical nuke is going to be over their head?


- If you avocate this Big Gambit Opening plan; I have already preached this move on the forum before! Just let you knows that! If you have other bright plan other then this Big Gambit Plan, we all ear to listen to your war plan!


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NO, HBN was the first of this (part) PLAN. I have posted in GMF 1 year ago.

But that was just part of the Game.

The real Game starts from Inside PRC, in just 2 hours after CSB declares independence, guess what my plan of this part is?




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you get everyone to emigrate to Taiwan, vote for Communist party into power then reunite with the mainland???

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"To urge the preparation of defence is not to assert the imminence of war. On
the contrary, if war were imminent, preparations for defense would be too
late." (Churchill, 1934)

"NO, HBN was the first of this (part) PLAN. I have posted in GMF 1 year ago.

But that was just part of the Game.

The real Game starts from Inside PRC, in just 2 hours after CSB declares independence, guess what my plan of this part is?"

- Sorry Comrade Brother HBN, for I have posted this Big Gambit 2 years ago on WAFF when I was talking shop with RamJetDoggies here! RamJetDoggies was a real American military nutcase; and me and him when countless time talking over Taiwan war on WAFF.

- Many Old timer liken Bharat, Mehran, U-boot will testified to it fact! Nice tried! Ol' Dragon boy is a real hand on this WAFF and most if not all the case; we have harshed over and over again before you newbie cums on board! ROFLMAo

- Sorry, you just have to put your thinking cap on and rethinks being a good PLA General? Haa! Haa!


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""you get everyone to emigrate to Taiwan, vote for Communist party into power then reunite with the mainland???""

lol

Come on man, HBN is not so lame to do that dirty trick, that's never suits HBN's mindset at all.

Btw, Xin Nian Kuai Le to you all family

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Only HBN can post pictures here, since it is my Thread



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lol Dragon, I don't believe so.

Since my PLAN was completely planned by HBN self, not inspired by any others posts.

Show me your Post link otherwise it is my Draft lol




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I need to know some things first.

1. Am i going to only fight Taiwan or is the USA going to join the war?

2. How much time do i have to prepare for my offensive?

If i were to only fight Taiwan without US interference then I would start by moving my navy into a blockade position. Simultanius air and missile strikes on all defensive weapons systems that would hinder me getting control of Taiwans airspace (this is the key to victory). Once i control airspace i keep on hitting them with missiles and bombes with thousands of sorties until they surrender. Either they surrender or .........

Anyone can guess what will happen INSIDE PRC just 2 hours after Taiwan declared independence?

Any clue?

Sometimes a genius feels lonely huh?


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happy new year

If Taiwan declares it's independence China wont do a damn thing in my mind.

""1. Am i going to only fight Taiwan or is the USA going to join the war?""

Please read my Post from Begining, war plan is a complicated pre-planning stuff, if you want to follow my midset, you need to read from A.
Yes, I have taken USA into account.

""2. How much time do i have to prepare for my offensive?""

Sorry, I will give no dammn time to react. When you realize what has happened, the Game is alreay Over.





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"To urge the preparation of defence is not to assert the imminence of war. On
the contrary, if war were imminent, preparations for defense would be too
late." (Churchill, 1934)

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If Taiwan declares it's independence China wont do a damn thing in my mind.
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I think that China would see how far they could go and see how the US responds. Troop movments would start, ect. But if China invaded then they would be isolated because the world would side with the USA i think.

Oh Jezus, you are so dummy normal people, please think about the war in a way a Genius think.

It is not for plain people, it is only for Strategist who thinks Big and Fast.

If you want to talk about troops movenments etc, you are completely lost in my Plan.


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Well you dont see the big picture HBN. If Taiwan declares independence and China invades do you think the world would look the other way? China would isolate itself.

""China would isolate itself.""

Sorry mate, what the world thinks about PLA taking out Taiwan, interests HBN a dammn.

My goal is to take out Taiwan in 24 hours without a single casualty from both sides, since I am for Peave and Love.


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My goal is to take out Taiwan in 24 hours without a single casualty from both sides, since I am for Peave and Love.
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Without a casualty? That would be the day

Stell dir vor es gibt Krieg und keiner geht hin

Please do NOT talk German in this Thread, I know only Iche benn een Berlijner.

Yes, no casualty, that's called Genius's War Plan.


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Its a German saying, it means: Imagine theres a war and nobody goes to it.

Thats the only way youd get no casualties

Well, my War Plan is a bit like what Sunzhi said: To defeat your enemy without resorting to battles.

But I am much smarter than Sunzi, he is from thousands years ago, HBN is from NOW.


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lo1lo11lo

Have you read Lu Xun's "A Q"? l1ol1o1l1l1

MAY GOD BLESS CHINA!

lol

But HBN is NOT "A Q" at all lol

I said, plain normal people cannot follow HBN's mindset lol

You have to believe there are Genius in this world, well that's often beyond normal people's imagination


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OK, today is enough, tomorrow I will teach you guys again.

Last:

Anyone can guess what will happen Inside PRC just 2 hours after Taiwan declared independence?

Any clue?

Be a bit smart thinking, do NOT make HBN disappointed at you.


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"You have to believe there are Genius in this world, well that's often beyond normal people's imagination"

lo1l1o1l, I agree, you are the only abnormal person on this forum.....l1o1l1o1l

MAY GOD BLESS CHINA!

dont engage them at sea first....dismantle their airforce by bombing their hangars and runways....then radar stations and government buildings and possibly the power stations....when all is reduced to rubble then send your fighter jets and navy to finish off their battleships...and after that securing a beach head wouldnt be that difficult...

I got it!!!! When Taiwan declares independence. China joins Taiwan as a SAR and then they will be unified. But if that doesn't work, MISSILES AWAY!!!

Not all of us think like u HBN, and stop flaterring yourself by declaring yourself a genius. Just spit it out, what will happen inside China 2 hours after Taiwan invades? For it to be bloodless, there are only a couple of possibilities, boycott of all taiwanese products, stop all trade with taiwan and confiscate all there stuff ( that would alieniate the world thou) , boycoot and to ban all trade with taiwan and the ban of all taiwan products would be the best course. It would put massive pressure on the Taiwanese government.

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@Genius HBN,

"lol Dragon, I don't believe so.

Since my PLAN was completely planned by HBN self, not inspired by any others posts.

Show me your Post link otherwise it is my Draft lol"


- ROFLMAO, you may have think of this Big Gambit Attack Plan by your lonesome independently; but, you are at least one year late, for you are a newbie on WAFF! ROFLMAo

- You should not dare me to repose my messages chatting with Ramjetdoggie long long time ago on WAFF! Since you asked, I taken the trouble to relocate this thread for you to read! See, the following comments; it was issued by Dragon Ol' Boy on December 17, 2002! Read my link as supplied below!
- By now; you should knows that Dragon Ol' Boy don't chat my trashy with out full support and able to back up my comments! What say you now, Comrade; still this is your attack plan? ROFLMAo

- In fact, to further give you a detail Dragon's attack plan on Taiwan for your consideration; my Irish mate Bannerman have challenged me to write one detail attack plan to capture Taiwan, even Irish Bannerman is kinda impress of my attack plan .... even though I have a civilian and never taken any military training!

- During this mock attack plan conversation ..... I have a massive chat with Big_Banana Keke and makes him looking foolish!

- In this case study; I have also clearly stated about this "Big Gambit Attack" using Tactical Nukes East of Taiwan and to gives them 24 hours surrender! So, you wanting me to prove my words; I can post you then link for this conversation as well?

- Also, now that I have post my original conversation with RamJetDoggies on WAFF; I also asking you to go back to GMF find and post your original attack plan which you claimed to have written on GMF! This is only fair and square; for Dragon Ol' boy can support and back up each of my statement on WAFF! I expect the same from other! ROFLMAo


- So, you this Big Gambit Attack Plan is Dragon Ol' Boy Draft or HBN Draft? Haa! Haa!


Ramjetdoggies is one of the more interesting chaps I have encountered on WAFF. Read about it, my finer works at the start of WAFF forum! Muhalahaaa!


"- The PLA Generals could start the conflict with a very high stake gambit and pre-emptive strike into Taiwan with WMD when there is no American involvement; this could possible turn American public opinions and torpedoes any American support for Taiwan. You just cannot rule out this types of conflict." posted by Dragon on December 17 2002, 1:34 AM ROFLMAo



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Comrade Genius HBN,

"But HBN is NOT "A Q" at all lol

I said, plain normal people cannot follow HBN's mindset lol

You have to believe there are Genius in this world, well that's often beyond normal people's imagination"

- I await for you to review your attack plan; better yet, you better burn the mid night oil and read up on the conversation between Ol' Dragon and RamJetDoggies .... this might help you modified your stand! Haa! Haa!


- I won't post my Dragon's Attack Taiwan plan requested by Irish Bannerman, we all await for your excellency! Tomorrow, we shall see! ROFLMAo



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I thought of answering to this thread whose title appears to be: "How would you plan the war against Taiwan if you are in charge of PLA".

Instead, its actually guessing "How would HBN plan the war against Taiwan if HE is in charge of PLA".

Forget it.

No, the title is actually "HBN is abnormal because everyone else is normal"...

MAY GOD BLESS CHINA!

If I was in charge of PLA I would:

Detonate a dozen or more electro magnetic pulse bomb on Taiwan first. That will wipe out all electrical systems. Planes would be grounded and missles rendered useless, and weapons aboard navy ships wouldn't be operational. Since the Taiwanese west coast is heavily fortified drop tons of small neutron bombs on the entire west coast that way there won't be any radiation on the coast and thus only living organisms are perished and the PLA soldiers would be safe to land on the beach. All can be achieved within 72 hrs long before the Americans get here.

Why the hell would the PLA need to attack Taiwan?

There are 1 million or 5% of the Taiwanese population in China. China is Taiwan's largest export market without which Taiwan's economy would fall into a tailspin.

Time and the natural pull of increasingly integrated economics, culture and families.

There is no way a Taiwanese leader can declare independence and survive massive opposition when so many families have members on both sides and so much of the economic fabric depends on trade with China.

War is what people in Japan and America wants not China. Without war, integration is inevitable.

HBN, don't think like some anti-chinese white guy who wants war.

Chinese warships won't survive, so build a lot of fishing boats for deception and of course a lot of bodybags.

"Why the hell would the PLA need to attack Taiwan?

There are 1 million or 5% of the Taiwanese population in China. China is Taiwan's largest export market without which Taiwan's economy would fall into a tailspin.

Time and the natural pull of increasingly integrated economics, culture and families.

There is no way a Taiwanese leader can declare independence and survive massive opposition when so many families have members on both sides and so much of the economic fabric depends on trade with China.

War is what people in Japan and America wants not China. Without war, integration is inevitable.

HBN, don't think like some anti-chinese white guy who wants war."

- Fully agreed with you Panda Bear; there is really no needed for Sino-Taiwan war! When money talks BS walks; as long as Crazy Chen and Jap Lee can not do much to stir seperation, there is no needed to start a physical war! In fact, the latest ..... there is a warming of relationship!





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>>>There are 1 million or 5% of the Taiwanese population in China. China is Taiwan's largest export market without which Taiwan's economy would fall into a tailspin.<<<

Is it? Or you're overestimating the Chinese economy. Sh!t, the world was so poor when China didn't import or export ANYTHING.

"Is it? Or you're overestimating the Chinese economy. Sh!t, the world was so poor when China didn't import or export ANYTHING."

- He ain't BS you, Sntcip; majority of Taiwanese are actually originated from my province of Fujian, blood tied are stronger then water!

- Taiwanese Chinese dialect is in fact, Fujian local dialect.


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>>>He ain't BS you, Sntcip; majority of Taiwanese are actually originated from my province of Fujian, blood tied are stronger then water!

- Taiwanese Chinese dialect is in fact, Fujian local dialect.<<<

I Know, they're the ones telling China to Phuck off, too!

"I Know, they're the ones telling China to Phuck off, too!"

- Wrong; it is the small Nip Porno(Jap Lee ... etc) population on Taiwan who wanting to stir seperation. KMT and Chinese on Taiwan does not wanting for seperation.

- Also, for you information; Taiwanese army is not Gung Ho for seperation, and when push comes to shovel ......... hee hee! Coup De Ta! ROFLMAo


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>>>Wrong; it is the small Nip Porno(Jap Lee ... etc) population on Taiwan who wanting to stir seperation. KMT and Chinese on Taiwan does not wanting for seperation.<<<

Wrong dragon! Why not a referendum then?

>>>Also, for you information; Taiwanese army is not Gung Ho for seperation, and when push comes to shovel ......... hee hee! Coup De Ta! ROFLMAo<<<

Doubt it!

if its that easy to deal with ROC after ROC declared independence... the PRC govt would be encouraging rather then resist any such independence move by ROC.

i think either HBN is doing a KONG CHENG JI.... or he is fishing for one of us to come up with the "genius" plan instead.

"Wrong dragon! Why not a referendum then? "

- Yes, why not a referendum; let both PRC and Taiwan citizenship openly votes for the future of Taiwan! If all Chinese on mainland and Taiwan decised to let Taiwan be seperated, so be it! ROFLMAo

"Doubt it!"

- You don't knows much about Taiwanese army; do you? For your information; Taiwanese army is the core of KMT army, which is from mainland China! ROFLMAo


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>>>Yes, why not a referendum; let both PRC and Taiwan citizenship openly votes for the future of Taiwan! If all Chinese on mainland and Taiwan decised to let Taiwan be seperated, so be it!<<<

Good idea. You should say that loud and clear inside China!

>>>You don't knows much about Taiwanese army; do you? For your information; Taiwanese army is the core of KMT army, which is from mainland China! ROFLMAo<<<

Poor Taiwan. They only got 80 years old soldiers.

"if its that easy to deal with ROC after ROC declared independence... the PRC govt would be encouraging rather then resist any such independence move by ROC."

- I don't believes it is going to be cake walk over our Taiwanese brother! We all knows this is going to be a blood bath; and that is why most sensible Chinese leader are doing much to avoid such case, only Crazy Chen is Gung Ho to push the envelope and calling for separation!


"i think either HBN is doing a KONG CHENG JI.... or he is fishing for one of us to come up with the "genius" plan instead."

- Hmmm, I think you needed to learn more about Chinese and Chinese strategy; ªÅ«°­p(Empty Castle Theory) is when you are weak against your opponent ...... you staged this Empty Castle and phony off your opponents.

- In the case of today China and Taiwan; we ain't phony off, nor are we weak as compared to our Taiwanese brother! If anything, our Taiwanese brother should be the one staging ªÅ«°­p to delay or diverted our planing of attack! ROFLMAo

- No Kudos for an Indian who misused Chinese terms and Chinese strategy! Now, you needed to go back and read more Arts of War; yooo smelly Chinaman wannabe! ROFLMAo



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"Good idea. You should say that loud and clear inside China! "

- Hmmm, there won't be any problem with me saying this voting of Taiwan independent while inside PRC! You knows why; because our mainland Han population voting will flood and overload any Japs lover Taiwanese votes, by hundred of million to one! ROFLMAo


"Poor Taiwan. They only got 80 years old soldiers."

- Poor Sntcip; you really needed to learn more about Chinaman and cum visit us! Have you seen the flag and symbol used by Taiwan armed forces; one China is their things? You are such a joke, I enjoy the laugher you provided! ROFLMAo


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>>>Hmmm, there won't be any problem with me saying this voting of Taiwan independent while inside PRC! You knows why; because our mainland Han population voting will flood and overload any Japs lover Taiwanese votes, by hundred of million to one!<<<

You're Canadian born chinese. If you knew anything about China you wouldn't have written crap like that!

"You're Canadian born chinese. If you knew anything about China you wouldn't have written crap like that!"

- You are a silly nut case! Suite yourself; for you are too stupid to counter my argument with sound logic and reasonable reply! Continue your personal attack, it only show case how weak and ignorance you are! Haa! Haa!


- My Jews Lawyer say; "Pound the table, when you don't have the facts on your side!" Are you a good Jew, Per Chance Mr. Sntcip? ROFLMAo


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>>>You are a silly nut case! Suite yourself; for you are too stupid to counter my argument with sound logic and reasonable reply! Continue your personal attack, it only show case how weak and ignorance you are! Haa! Haa!<<<

Ignorance or the truth? Is in an insult to be canadian born chinese? Your lack of understanding of china betrayed you. Any mainlander wouldn't written the sh!t you did.

"Ignorance or the truth? Is in an insult to be canadian born chinese? Your lack of understanding of china betrayed you. "

- If I am an Canadian born Chinese; I would have tell you, for there is no shame for being Canadian.

- In fact, I have to choose to be any other citizen of another country, I would have chosen Canadian or Sweden citizenship; for I have always liken these two Western countries, their political ideal, their socialist views to take care of their people, their peaceful nature toward other nations .... etc. Out of all the Western nations; I would put Canada, Sweden, New Zealand, Germany .... in my top ranking as some of the best nation in the world. Guest which Western nation I would put at my lowest ranking? Me give you Fortune Cookies, if you guest it right! ROFLMAo



"Any mainlander wouldn't written the sh!t you did."

- Cums and read our Chinese sites; you piece of ignorance wanton! In your ignorance head, a good Chinaman is one that held his head bow, and knob licking the White Man Phallus!

- Sorry to tell you, Mr. Indian ...... We Chinaman have strong culture and we have strong back bone; beat a Chinaman for fun is over for the West! For today Chinaman, we packed knowledge and we packed good humor fun! Cums plays with us; and lets see how hard we punch! Haa! Haa!



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>>>Cums and read our Chinese sites; you piece of ignorance wanton! In your ignorance head, a good Chinaman is one that held his head bow, and knob licking the White Man Phallus!

- Sorry to tell you, Mr. Indian ...... We Chinaman have strong culture and we have strong back bone; beat a Chinaman for fun is over for the West! For today Chinaman, we packed knowledge and we packed good humor fun! Cums plays with us; and lets see how hard we punch! Haa! Haa!<<<

Whatever you write you can't deceive me, Dragon. And Mr.Indian? Sorry not a drop of Indian blood but it doesn't matter anyway, you called me American, Taiwanese, Japanese, before.

China certainly cannot take Taiwan in 24 hours. I don't think China can take Taiwan at all, because the US will intervene and then that's the end of the story. Remember "Summer Pulse"? Remember our F-22's? Remember in-flight refueling? Remember that China has almost no ability to put more than 10,000 troops in Taiwan at once and this is with obsolete Normandy style invasion methods? Remember the total lack of modern air-to-ground attackers in PLAAF?

China can beat the **** out of Taiwan with its 600-700 missiles. It can dry to draw the ROCAF out and fight them, but China has almost no AWACS capability. China has superiority with its Su-27. But a ground offensive will be bloodily repulsed. Then the US comes in to save the day for Taiwan.

@Sntcip

"Whatever you write you can't deceive me, Dragon. And Mr.Indian? Sorry not a drop of Indian blood but it doesn't matter anyway, you called me American, Taiwanese, Japanese, before."

- To deceive you; hardly! It ain't worth my time, nor no profit for doing so! Anyway, keep day dream; and lets us not hijack Comrade HBN 24 hours plan to attack Taiwan!



"China certainly cannot take Taiwan in 24 hours. I don't think China can take Taiwan and all, because the US will intervene and then that's the end of the story. Remember "Summer Pulse"? Remember our F-22's? Remember in-flight refueling? Remember that China has almost no ability to put more than 10,000 troops in Taiwan at once and this is with obsolete Normandy style invasion methods? Remember the total lack of modern air-to-ground attackers in PLAAF?

China can beat the **** out of Taiwan with its 600-700 missiles. It can dry to draw the ROCAF out and fight them, but China has almost no AWACS capability. China has superiority with its Su-27. But a ground offensive will be bloodily repulsed. Then the US comes in to save the day for Taiwan."

- One tactical nuke; Taiwan bow before us and and surrendered in full ..... not even 24 hours is required! ROFLMAo


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>>>One tactical nuke; Taiwan bow before us and and surrendered in full ..... not even 24 hours is required! ROFLMAo<<<

Yeah, very simple. There's a difference. Those in charge in China think of the consequences unlike foreign born idiots!

"Yeah, very simple. There's a difference. Those in charge in China think of the consequences unlike foreign born idiots!"

- You heard of Tongue and Cheek, Wanton Boy! Now, have you iron my shirt! Servant Boy! ROFLMAo


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"just keep buiding missiles, airplanes and ships, increase # of ICBM and nculear warheads --- that will keep american at bay, when those rebels finally realize that there is no hope to win and no american will come to rescue them, they might want to sit and talk."

Well, the Americans wont just sit there and do nothing while China builds up its weapons....

Anyway, does China have the capacity to win an arms race against the US?

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Fully agreed with you Panda Bear; there is really no needed for Sino-Taiwan war! When money talks BS walks; as long as Crazy Chen and Jap Lee can not do much to stir seperation, there is no needed to start a physical war! In fact, the latest ..... there is a warming of relationship!

Yup, only idiots and foreigners who want war would want China and Taiwan to go to war.

If Crazy Chen declare independence, there would be a bloody coup in Taiwan without a single Chinese troop needing to land. There are still many Chinese on Taiwan. Chen is distrustful of much of the Taiwanese army which believes in Chinese unification.

BTW, Darkness, please stay out of Chinese threads. Remember what Bharat promised: all Chinese will stay out of Indian threads and all Indians will stay away from Chinese threads. In this thread there is nothing about India. So let's keep the peace by not bothering one another. You people have no insight on China and we have no insight on India.

Gentlemen, you have not got any clue what HBN has in Mind about the 2 hours inside PRC after Taiwan declared independence.

In this 2 hours, a SHOCKING Event will happen Inside PRC, and this Event will change the long known Stance of Mainland towards Taiwan, something you gentlemen may have never thought in your minds.

I will give you more time to try to think about WHAT this Shoching Event will be.

@Dragon:
I had a quick read of your Thread, but Sorry, you didn't mention anything related to HBN's plan.




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- Now you are getting me all curious and wanting to knows what up your sleeves! We all waiting, let see if you are a genius!


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Sure.

But first guess what th Shocking Event happening just 2 Hours after Taiwan declares Independence.

Give a try.

Always remember good: for Key Issues, HBN always thinks in Unusual Way, common plain people can hardly follow HBN's mindset




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"But first guess what th Shocking Event happening just 2 Hours after Taiwan declares Independence."

- Ok, fun game; lets Ol' Boy give it a try!

2 Hours After Taiwan Independent!

- Taiwan stock market crash, and people busy cashing out their saving; Taiwanese dollar instantly turned into toilet paper!

- Taiwanese armed force stage a Coup De Ta; there is confusion in all corner of the street. Marshall law is imposed by Crazy Chen.

- PRC warned all foreigner to leave Taiwan immediately, PRC warned all foreign government of pending war. PRC gives Taiwan 24 hours to recant on their Independence and surrender in 24 hours!

- Last ditch effect by Washington to power broker along with UN and trying to avoid this pending war.

- All PRC Second Artillery is place on high alert along with the rest of armed force.

- News black out from PRC; all subs are fuel and armed, and launched into their pre-arranged area throughout Pacific Ocean.

- All air force are placed on high alert!

- PRC Fifth column inside Taiwan are mobilized into action.

........ time ticking away; no response from Crazy Chen, and his government is paralyzed. Crazy Chen grab his bible and start licking this holly book asking for Washington charging in to help save him. In the mean time, all them Taiwanese Japs are busy packing their family out of the country. Jap Lee is the first baastard boarding the plane to Tokyo his JapHomeland!



......... more time ticking away, Washington may or may not; this is serious, all them CIA satellite seeing PRC DF missiles are being primed and fuel. IQ Bush is licking his phucking bible and hoping the Jews will comes to his aids!

.......... Time up, no response from Crazy Chen; Phucks this cat and mouse game! Comrade Hu, say; fire one tactical nukes East of Taiwan as a final warning for complete surrender!

........... Now, it is up to the nosy American, if they wanting to play hard ball and carry out their threats to save Taiwan or not! To win over Taiwan; it is not in Taipei, rather in Washington!

- If Washington decide to risk a MAD and to help Taiwan, then we all better start digging shelter in our back yard.

- If Washington back down and abandoned Taiwan; then Comrade Hu, said ..... blockage and starve these Taiwanese into defeat, no ship in or out of Taiwan!




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Sorry, NOT AT ALL.

I said:
What would happen INSIDE PRC. A Shocking Event.


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"What would happen INSIDE PRC. A Shocking Event."

- What, you think after Crazy Chen declared independent in Taiwan; then the great Chinese mass inside PRC is going to raise up and overthrow our CCP and demanding our own free voting to join Taiwan? ROFLMAo

- If that is the case, the former yellow student KMT(Ooops DPP) can now return back to China and be our leader ruling the entire Chinese nation under the Taiwanese flag!

- That works, it unified Taiwan with mainland; and the American is all too happy to kill off the last opposition to their World conquest!! ROFLMAo


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lol Dragon, of course NOT as you thought.

Try to think how a Genius like HBN would think

Btw, I am very serious, not kidding at all.


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A hint then:

If you try to think in the way HBN thinks, try direction Offensive Way.

What's the Shocking Event in the First 2 Hours INSIDE China?


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"If you try to think in the way HBN thinks, try direction Offensive Way.

What's the Shocking Event in the First 2 Hours INSIDE China?"

- I don't get you at all; Comrade HBN, a war don't start right after Crazy Chen declare independent ... for there are still plenty of back room dealing and trading in UN, in each of the capital ...etc. It is only last resort prior to the shooting war; you needed to ram up and get all your man, material and weapons ready prior to the firework!

- So, by your short time limits; it only logical chose is related to a political settlement. Because a shooting war can not be achieves and complete with in 24 hours, unless tactical nukes are used!


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It seems you just can't get my mindset.

OK:
In the First 2 Hours right after Taiwan Declared Independence, Chinese Military Hawks (not the fake one here in WAFF lol) will take a "planned" Military Coup to take out Chinese Government and in charge of Everything.

NOTE: this "military coup" is pretented to be a "coup" but is already "planned" by PLA and the Chinese government TOGETHER for long long time.

Then Question to you:
Why this "fake" Military Coup?

Hope this will be much easier to reason it out


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Dragon Said:
I also asking you to go back to GMF find and post your original attack plan which you claimed to have written on GMF! This is only fair and square;

No problem, when I have taught you all HOW my Step by Step War Game Actions will be, I will put that LINK from GMF here.

When you saw my PLAN in GMF (that's only PART of my Complete Game Plan), you will find your "plan" like a Kids Plan, no match against HBN

But First:
Why would PLA take such a Military Coup ?


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"i think either HBN is doing a KONG CHENG JI.... or he is fishing for one of us to come up with the "genius" plan instead."

- Hmmm, I think you needed to learn more about Chinese and Chinese strategy; ªÅ«°­p(Empty Castle Theory) is when you are weak against your opponent ...... you staged this Empty Castle and phony off your opponents.

- In the case of today China and Taiwan; we ain't phony off, nor are we weak as compared to our Taiwanese brother! If anything, our Taiwanese brother should be the one staging ªÅ«°­p to delay or diverted our planing of attack! ROFLMAo

- No Kudos for an Indian who misused Chinese terms and Chinese strategy! Now, you needed to go back and read more Arts of War; yooo smelly Chinaman wannabe! ROFLMAo

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hahahahaaa....... you obviously do not meet the average IQ of a chinese even if you are chinese... frankly, i dont think that you are chinese at all... which would explain the lower IQ quotient.

i said... HBN is doing a KONG CHENG JI, NOT PRC is doing a KONG CHENG JI.... ahahahahaaaa

can you see the difference?

@Big Fat Panda Bear:

lol mate, we are just playing "War Games" and test your IQ In Case the War is Inevitable.

As I said:
I will take out Taiwan in 24 hours with the best Wish without firing 1 single bullet, and NO casualty from Both Sides, though if someone in Taiwan got Heart Attack then goes to Hell by hearing my War Action, not my fault though


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BigBanana:

Why do you think HBN is doing "KONG CHENG JI"?
Please clarify give your reasoning.


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"you obviously do not meet the average IQ of a chinese even if you are chinese..."

I can't agree more with Keke on this if it is directed at the abnormal HBN...l1o1l1o1l1o1l1

MAY GOD BLESS CHINA!

The reason why the military decided to stage a fake coup is because the Chinese government wouldn't be the blame for anything that goes wrong in the war plan or the war against Taiwan. The coupe can also say that the Chinese governement wanted peaceful resolution but then they're no longer in control of their armed forces therefore making the Taiwanese think that these military personnel are serious because a coupe is a prelude to war.

ROFLMAo @Big_BanDana!

"hahahahaaa....... you obviously do not meet the average IQ of a chinese even if you are chinese... frankly, i dont think that you are chinese at all... which would explain the lower IQ quotient.

i said... HBN is doing a KONG CHENG JI, NOT PRC is doing a KONG CHENG JI.... ahahahahaaaa

can you see the difference?"

- You are more stupid then I give you credit Mr. Big_BanDana, for you have gone into my Dragon's trap again; by my use of redirection! Silly Cow; I fully aware you are reference Comrade HBN for staging the ªÅ«°­p, but why did I still redirected my comments for PRC to stage ªÅ«°­p in my remarks! Haa! Haa!

- Let me give it to you this way; ªÅ«°­p, is a buff to your opponents ... while you are weak and your opponent is strong! Since up front; Comrade HBN already stated clearly, he will reviews his attack plan within one day of time interval ....... this can never be a ªÅ«°­p on Comrade HBN part!

- For example: if Comrade HBN does not have some crafty attack plans, hidden up his sleeve; rather then just an empty buff ....... then within 24 hours, he will be out as a scoundrel ... a laughing stock of WAFF! This is the reason why, ªÅ«°­p according to your original remarks are full of BS!

- Do you see how I trapped you, Mr. Keke; with my redirection of ªÅ«°­p to PRC to confused the issue. I fully anticipated for you to return and point out this Comrade HBN staging the ªÅ«°­p!

- But, what fun is there in life ...... by just pointing out the obvious in your posting, without fully mocking you and rub your face into mud? It is far more rewarding, to lure you into my trap and to mock you some more; in other word, we commie liken to milk our cow ..... for all the fun we can get! Mr. Cow Sir, you been owned ...... again! ROFLMAo


BTW: let me tell you another Chinaman tricks; the tactic I used to lure you into my trap ...... is called "Throw a brick( redirection ) and lure meat( a dumb Cow )!" Haa! Haa!

Now, let me have more fun with Comrade HBN .... come back any time, Mr. Cow! O' boy wait for you, and milk you some more! ROFLMAo



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@Comrade HBN

"In the First 2 Hours right after Taiwan Declared Independence, Chinese Military Hawks (not the fake one here in WAFF lol) will take a "planned" Military Coup to take out Chinese Government and in charge of Everything.

NOTE: this "military coup" is pretented to be a "coup" but is already "planned" by PLA and the Chinese government TOGETHER for long long time.

Then Question to you:
Why this "fake" Military Coup?"

- Ok Comrade; I have to give you credit to think of a crazy Coup within PRC, bit original! But, here are some issue that you needed to thinking through .....

.... Since when is Great Leader Mao Dictum failed, have you never learn anything from Great Leader Mao guiding principles? "The Party(Political Organ) must always control the gun(Military Organ)!" There are over 60+ millions Comrade within the party, how on earth is 2.3 million PLA going to take over the Party and have hope of a Coup? You tell me? ROFLMAo

- In all military level, there is Political control of the military; how you going to by pass all these Political ears, and eyes which oversee the military? ROFLMAo


..... Let's just for a moment, we went along with your crazy idea of PLA successful in a Coup to replace Comrade Hu by some cockeyed pseudo plan! Allows me to point out weakness in your plan!


- This is real life, Comrade HBN; for our party are not knows to be gentle with failed leader! Let's pretended you are Comrade HBN; would you allows and goes along with your silly pseudo Coup d'etat? In the bad old day, Comrade Leader who are Coup, get taking out at night and be shot in real life? What guaranteed, that the military will only pseudo Coup; instead of a real Coup .... then drag Comrade Hu and the rest of them Political Leaders into the back yard and shot them with a 9 mm? ROFLMAo

- If you are Comrade Hu and his rest of Political leaders; can they truly trusted the military leader for only staging a pseudo Coup, rather then a real Coup d'etat and disgusted as a flake? What the hell kind of cockeyed logic is that, Comrade HBN? You think our Political leader are some circus monkey staging some Chinese Opera; these are hard man with years of REAL politic under there belt, you thinks they will goes with some kiddy play of pseudo Coup? ROFLMAo

- Further, even if we when further and assumes that Comrade Hu and the rest of Political leaders goes with your plan; and allows the Hawks within PLA to take over the PRC ..... under the assumption that they will return the power to the Political organ afterward. Now, you are in a fixed; for Comrade Hu and the rest of them leader is placed under house arrest, and they can not be able to communicate to the rest of the country. ROFLMAo

- Damn, you now have additional problems beside the Taiwan separation issue; for the Chinese population are all stir up with all these sudden change of evens and riot and disagreement surface all over the nation. In a big Country liken China; how on earth you going to stop the population rally and street riot in support of Comrade Hu and storm the government to attack the military? Are you crazy; now there are riot within certain part of the country for various issues, and you dare to open up this cockeyed Coup D'etat .... and just hope to God that the Chinese Citizen will follow out your attack plan? Or your military Coup Leader going to sent the PLA tanks to run over any public opposition? ROFLMAo


- Further, even if we go all out, and assumed your attack plan is Genus and it bring the Taiwan to her knee within 24 hours! Now, you further in a fix; for how on earth you going to return the military power back to the Political organ? One thing you needed to knows about Politic, it is hard to gain control of the big stick(power); every one is Gung Ho to take this power from you .... once it is lost, you will have hard time to regain it back. In real life, there is no monkey play; where someone who already gained the power(military coup leaders), they will return it back to you! Also, once Comrade Hu is discredit in public with this military Coup; he is finished as a Political Leader, for there will be no one able to safe him ..... unless Great Leader Deng or Great Leader Mao return from the grave to re-stall Comrade Hu into power! ROFLMAo

- I give you credit for being original; but, I give you zero credit for understanding of REAL Politic and the hard reality of CCP. You needed to return to our Educational Camp for rewashing your brain; and relearn Great Leader Mao Dictums ...... The Party Control The Gun! ROFLMAo


- Comrade HBN, please post your address; for we shall sent a Cleaning Team to your home tonight, and collect you back home for further washing education! You only have to pack your tooth brush, travel light; we good commie provides all comfort in our Re-education camp! ROFLMAo



BTW: I will come back later to tell you why it is a waste of time to stage this Coup D'etat!



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@zergcerebrates

"The reason why the military decided to stage a fake coup is because the Chinese government wouldn't be the blame for anything that goes wrong in the war plan or the war against Taiwan. The coupe can also say that the Chinese governement wanted peaceful resolution but then they're no longer in control of their armed forces therefore making the Taiwanese think that these military personnel are serious because a coupe is a prelude to war."

- First of all, your plan and excuse does not work; for Taiwan Separation is the sole and only legacy to unified the Chinese people behind CCP. This is the mandate they have given to reunified China; should they failed in this task, CCP is finish as a governing body of PRC!

- What I am saying is; there is no needed for this monkey show and tell, for the population will not accept any other excuse for the lost of Taiwan! CCP leadership is fully aware of this issue; and the only way out for them to continue to gain the support of the people, is bring home the economic bacon and reclaim all lost land! Anything short, the popular vote will not stand!

- Currently, CCP does not have the famous leader liken Great Mao or Great Deng to rally people support ..... so the only legacy our leaders have, is the hard fight to regain Taiwan and Chinese Nationalism! Should or if they have fail in this task ....... Oooops! People power and Regime Change!

- Also, there is no reason at all for Comrade Hu to allows or be part of this pseudo Coup D'etat. The reason is simple; in time of national tremor, as any political leader .... your best defense is to commanded the military for this is the only assurance for your personal safety and survival! If any political leader side step and played second fiddle to other military leader; then he/she is as good as dead ..... in the West, your political career is finish, but in the East .... you may end up shot in the back alley! Can you effort to risk such a move, as PRC President?

- Also, Comrade Hu did not get hand pick by Great Leader Deng, for his good looks or gentle touch! Comrade Hu, is not a softy; for he is the one who called in the military to crack head while Governor of Tibet? If any of you think Comrade Hu is some soft teddy bear; you are mistaken!

- If Taiwan declare Independent; you will fully see the fiery of Comrade Hu, instead of a gentle soft spoken leader he projected in public ...... this man got steal ball in his stomach and he is not afraid to crack heads.

- If anything is an indication of Comrade Hu iron fist; you needed to see the increase step up to confront them Nip Porno! You thinks the recent show of Subs into Guam, Japan water is a soft teddy bear saying hello?

- You guys would be mistaken and completely missed the ball; if you thinks, Comrade Hu will allows the PLA to stage a Coup D'etat and gain power.







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>>>If anything is an indication of Comrade Hu iron fist; you needed to see the increase step up to confront them Nip Porno! You thinks the recent show of Subs into Guam, Japan water is a soft teddy bear saying hello?<<<

You mean that crap HAN that was followed by a LA SSN all the way?

@HBN

A fake militairy coup is out of question, and its not well tought. First for the world to beleive that the coup is realy, it has to be keep in secrecy, meaning most of the chinese militairy cannot know its fake too. There lies one of your problems, there will be loyalist who will try to stop the coup/ fight against it. This mean you will just have created a civil war in china itself. If u tell every dam soldier in the militairy, well when a couple million ppl know about a " secret" its not really a secret anymore is it? Someone is bound to open his mouth and the world will know.

Once the world finds out, there will be a huge outcry about China faking a coup to start a war, public opinion would turn agains China. Even politicly its unaceptable, if the coup is keep a secret, there are to many chances whoever "takes" power will want to remain in power, also the old government would always be regarded as weak since a coup has worked on them.

The fake "coup d'etat" is probably the worst plan i even heard of, to many holes, to many possibilities of it turning into a civil war, and turn public opinion on China.

"Come the millenium month 12, In the home of the greatest power, the village idiot will come forth to be acclaimed the leader" Nostradamus, 1555
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One man saw it coming...

I find myself agreeing with Dragon on this one,

origional planing HBN but just to many variables that can go wrong and there is no need for it anyway 

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"To urge the preparation of defence is not to assert the imminence of war. On
the contrary, if war were imminent, preparations for defense would be too
late." (Churchill, 1934)

There has been a lot of talk about how and why 12 carriers cannot be deployed at once. Thats no doubt true. What a lot of the postings fail to mention is that the entire PLAN cannot be deployed either. One can expect about 2/3 of the SSKs and surface fleet. Thats about it.<br /> The same can be said of the PLAAF.

As with any Navy, there will be ships in port, under refit and/or needed for costal duties outside the theatre of concern. Just the docked vessels and refitting ships alone is likely to eat up 1/4 of your strength at any time. I suppose you can overcome that by taking half to a full year of open preparations and run up. But that also means your enemy knows you are up to no good and can do like wise and get their stuff ready.

Der Wille zur Macht!

Comrade HBN

"I will take out Taiwan in 24 hours with the best Wish without firing 1 single bullet, and NO casualty from Both Sides, though if someone in Taiwan got Heart Attack then goes to Hell by hearing my War Action, not my fault though"

- Since we are in a game-man-ship; lets just further assumes, your initial plan of Pseudo Coup D'etat carried the day ...... and now, the real PLA military hawk Generals( instead of Kiddy Generals on WAFF ) have won the leadership of PRC! What now? ROFLMAo

- Please tell the rest of your genius plan of attack; for I really wanting to learn how you going to regain Taiwan in 24 hours and wishing not firing 1 bullet ........ this is the Suprime Arts Of War! ROFLMAo


........ so, please tell us the rest of your plan! Thanks!


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ROFLMAo @Big_BanDana!

"hahahahaaa....... you obviously do not meet the average IQ of a chinese even if you are chinese... frankly, i dont think that you are chinese at all... which would explain the lower IQ quotient.

i said... HBN is doing a KONG CHENG JI, NOT PRC is doing a KONG CHENG JI.... ahahahahaaaa

can you see the difference?"

- You are more stupid then I give you credit Mr. Big_BanDana, for you have gone into my Dragon's trap again; by my use of redirection! Silly Cow; I fully aware you are reference Comrade HBN for staging the ªÅ«°­p, but why did I still redirected my comments for PRC to stage ªÅ«°­p in my remarks! Haa! Haa!

- Let me give it to you this way; ªÅ«°­p, is a buff to your opponents ... while you are weak and your opponent is strong! Since up front; Comrade HBN already stated clearly, he will reviews his attack plan within one day of time interval ....... this can never be a ªÅ«°­p on Comrade HBN part!

- For example: if Comrade HBN does not have some crafty attack plans, hidden up his sleeve; rather then just an empty buff ....... then within 24 hours, he will be out as a scoundrel ... a laughing stock of WAFF! This is the reason why, ªÅ«°­p according to your original remarks are full of BS!

- Do you see how I trapped you, Mr. Keke; with my redirection of ªÅ«°­p to PRC to confused the issue. I fully anticipated for you to return and point out this Comrade HBN staging the ªÅ«°­p!

- But, what fun is there in life ...... by just pointing out the obvious in your posting, without fully mocking you and rub your face into mud? It is far more rewarding, to lure you into my trap and to mock you some more; in other word, we commie liken to milk our cow ..... for all the fun we can get! Mr. Cow Sir, you been owned ...... again! ROFLMAo


BTW: let me tell you another Chinaman tricks; the tactic I used to lure you into my trap ...... is called "Throw a brick( redirection ) and lure meat( a dumb Cow )!" Haa! Haa!

Now, let me have more fun with Comrade HBN .... come back any time, Mr. Cow! O' boy wait for you, and milk you some more! ROFLMAo



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WWWWWOOOOOWWWWWW..... so much garbage! dragon, you really lives up to your name as number uno for gibberish!

@Big_BanDana

"WWWWWOOOOOWWWWWW..... so much garbage! dragon, you really lives up to your name as number uno for gibberish!"

- Gibberish me not, silly cow! For an ilk cow who don't fully understand the meaning of Kong Cheng Ji ªÅ«°­p, you are one funny cow! Why don't you learn more Chinese from your Singaporean Chinese Master ......... have you graduated to use toilet paper yet? Or you still stuck with your left hand, Ilk Cow? ROFLMAo


Chop Chop, Have You Been Milk Today? ROFLMAo




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"You people have no insight on China and we have no insight on India."

Thats why I asked

I'll stay out if you want me to

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@Darkness,

T"hats why I asked

I'll stay out if you want me to "

Brother, there is no need to stay out of our conversation; after all, this is a public forum .... where everyone can toss their two cents into the pot.

If you want, you can direct your comments and question to Dragon Ol' boy directly; I will do my best to response to your questions! Cheer!


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"Brother, there is no need to stay out of our conversation; after all, this is a public forum .... where everyone can toss their two cents into the pot.

If you want, you can direct your comments and question to Dragon Ol' boy directly; I will do my best to response to your questions! Cheer! "

Thanx Dragon

I know the type of strategic weapons PRC has, but have no clue on how many, or if even produced(Is there an alternative to SinoDefence?)

So I was just wondering, does China really have the capacity to win n arms race against the USA?

- My guess is yes especially because of their tech and fast growth, but I wont bet more than $2 USD on it...

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@Darkness1089

"I know the type of strategic weapons PRC has, but have no clue on how many, or if even produced(Is there an alternative to SinoDefence?) "

- SinoDefence is a very good source; in fact, this is the first source I would goes for Chinese weaponary. Unless you can read Chinese, other English source I can give you are following!

http://sinodefence.com
- Very good site, lots of information.

http://www.china-defense.com
- Very good site, lots of good knowledge people on the forum.

http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/
- This is Dragon home town; where we Chinese Red Necks hangs out! We talks all sort of topics, not just related to military, eventhough there are plenty of military charting!




"
So I was just wondering, does China really have the capacity to win n arms race against the USA? "

- No at this moment we don't; PRC can not head to head with a armed race against USA and hope to win. In another 20 or 30 years, for sure ...... if we can sustained today growth rate!

- You needed to remember, USA economy have a 60 years head start; so PRC have to do double or triple time just to catch up, let along to over take USA.

- Our current policy is correct; only spent on what we needed for defense, and not follows the Old Soviet Union into collapse!


"- My guess is yes especially because of their tech and fast growth, but I wont bet more than $2 USD on it..."

- Thanks for your guest, but you needed to hold your $2 USD and wait until 20 to 30 years; then you make your bet. In the mean time, invest your $2 USD into high yield bonds to collect interest! ROFLMAo


I don't knows anyone will sell you bonds for $2 USD; but, it is worth a try! Haa! Haa!


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@zergcerebrates

I am very glad you stated the Reason of this "fake" Military Coup completely correct.

Well by this "Military coup", we need do many pre-preparation, and make it bloody serious.

All the TOP Leaders will be under house-arrests.

The reason from the Military for the Coup is simple:
The Chinese Government has been talking too much Bullshiit with TW, the Hawks from Military are tired of that Bullshhit and NOW simply Bloody Action.


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@Dragon

lol

"The Party(Political Organ) must always control the gun(Military Organ)!"

That's BULL.

It is ALWAYS the Gun controls the Party.

1. How was "Jiang Jieshi" of KMT arrested and forced to start War against Japan instead of Fighting Communist Troops?

2. How was the WIFE of Chairman Mao Zedong arrested in 1976 and put to jail of life?

I said clearly:
It is pretented to be a Military Coup.
And with or without Hu JinTao as Party Leader, Chinese Communist Party or PLA or Chinese People give a dammn to that. After Jiang zeming was replaced by Hu Jintao, NOTHING changed, life goes on without ANY problem.

under the assumption that they will return the power to the Political organ afterward.

See above: with or without Hu JinTao as Party Leader, Chinese Communist Party or PLA or Chinese People give a dammn to that. After Jiang zeming was replaced by Hu Jintao, NOTHING changed, life goes on without ANY problem.

for how on earth you going to return the military power back to the Political organ?

No worry, for a man like HBN, EVERYTHING will be sorted out by HBN, you just be patient listening to Step by Step.


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Azn-Dragon

A fake militairy coup is out of question, and its not well tought. First for the world to beleive that the coup is realy, it has to be keep in secrecy, meaning most of the chinese militairy cannot know its fake too. There lies one of your problems, there will be loyalist who will try to stop the coup/ fight against it. This mean you will just have created a civil war in china itself. If u tell every dam soldier in the militairy, well when a couple million ppl know about a " secret" its not really a secret anymore is it? Someone is bound to open his mouth and the world will know.

Mate, if the World believes it or Not, HBN cares a dammn of it. My Goal is to take out Taiwan in 24 hours, that's it.

there will be loyalist who will try to stop the coup/ fight against it

If they are stupid, they will be taken care of. When the Wife of Mao zedong was arrested in 1976, her royalists could do a dammn.

Once the world finds out, there will be a huge outcry about China faking a coup to start a war, public opinion would turn agains China. Even politicly its unaceptable, if the coup is keep a secret, there are to many chances whoever "takes" power will want to remain in power, also the old government would always be regarded as weak since a coup has worked on them.

I said, the world opinion cares me a dammmn.

If the "Coup members" take the power, so what? Without Hu Jintao the Earth will stop circlying? Then we just have NEW Leaders, that's it.

The fake "coup d'etat" is probably the worst plan i even heard of, to many holes, to many possibilities of it turning into a civil war, and turn public opinion on China.

Only Idiots would start a Civil War just because of a "Regime Change".

Too many holes?
No worry, when HBN plans it, it will be PERFECT


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Dragon:
- Please tell the rest of your genius plan of attack; for I really wanting to learn how you going to regain Taiwan in 24 hours and wishing not firing 1 bullet ........ this is the Suprime Arts Of War! ROFLMAo

You just need be Patient.

HBN is not someone Normal People can understand.

Just be Patient, my story is not yet ended


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@Darkness1089

My dear Indian friend, please say anything you want in this Thread.

Always remember, HBN likes India and Indian People, and I own you the Buddha


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"Azn-Dragon

A fake militairy coup is out of question, and its not well tought. First for the world to beleive that the coup is realy, it has to be keep in secrecy, meaning most of the chinese militairy cannot know its fake too. There lies one of your problems, there will be loyalist who will try to stop the coup/ fight against it. This mean you will just have created a civil war in china itself. If u tell every dam soldier in the militairy, well when a couple million ppl know about a " secret" its not really a secret anymore is it? Someone is bound to open his mouth and the world will know.

Mate, if the World believes it or Not, HBN cares a dammn of it. My Goal is to take out Taiwan in 24 hours, that's it."


"there will be loyalist who will try to stop the coup/ fight against it

If they are stupid, they will be taken care of. When the Wife of Mao zedong was arrested in 1976, her royalists could do a dammn."

So why the hell would the political leaders permit this? He is also the Commander in Chief of the Militairy, are u telling me that u want a real coup d'etat? How excatly will it be bloodless? How many chinese people will die from your coup d'etat? It might degenerate into a full blown civil war if the plan does not work to perfection.

"Once the world finds out, there will be a huge outcry about China faking a coup to start a war, public opinion would turn agains China. Even politicly its unaceptable, if the coup is keep a secret, there are to many chances whoever "takes" power will want to remain in power, also the old government would always be regarded as weak since a coup has worked on them.

I said, the world opinion cares me a dammmn.

If the "Coup members" take the power, so what? Without Hu Jintao the Earth will stop circlying? Then we just have NEW Leaders, that's it.

The fake "coup d'etat" is probably the worst plan i even heard of, to many holes, to many possibilities of it turning into a civil war, and turn public opinion on China.

Only Idiots would start a Civil War just because of a "Regime Change".

Too many holes?
No worry, when HBN plans it, it will be PERFECT "


HBN there is no such thing as a perfect plan, only idiots and fool will base a war strategie on what there they want there might react do, only fool beleive there such thing as a "perfect" plan, only fool like u would risk civil war in china just so u can "take Taiwan in 24 hours". The conquest of Taiwan does not need to be done in 24 hours, only idiots or people who are full of ego would attempt that without a dam good strategical reason and urgency.

Also HBN do u really think that Hu Jintao and the PRC will just let a militairy coup happen without a fight? Do u think there fools? and why would most of the army or poppulation rebel and try something like a coup? Hu JinTao is doing his job well enought, China is not in a crisis and he knows what would happen to him if he doesn't do anything about Taiwan if it declares independance. Your whole militairy coup wouldn't have enought base support to start with.

How big is your freaking ego HBN, like i said your "genius plan" is full of holes, u assume wayyyyyyyyyy to much, no real militairy leader would risk so much for so little gain.

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Comrade HBN,

"No worry, for a man like HBN, EVERYTHING will be sorted out by HBN, you just be patient listening to Step by Step."

- Dragon Ol' boy is going to hold my tongue and await for your step-by-step attack plan to bring Taiwan into her knee within 24 hours! I will response to all your Genius plan after you have completely listed all your attack action plan, then we will deal with it as a complete package!

- Better make your attack plan good and logical, for Dragon Ol' boy promised you; I shall put my thinking cap on and fully intended to bite your butt if your plan is not sound and logical! ROFLMAo

...... so, you now have the mic and the forum floor all by your lonesome; give it your best shot! Comrade, for I hopes your plan works! Good luck!



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@Azn-Dragon

A fake militairy coup is out of question, and its not well tought. First for the world to beleive that the coup is realy, it has to be keep in secrecy, meaning most of the chinese militairy cannot know its fake too. There lies one of your problems, there will be loyalist who will try to stop the coup/ fight against it. This mean you will just have created a civil war in china itself. If u tell every dam soldier in the militairy, well when a couple million ppl know about a " secret" its not really a secret anymore is it? Someone is bound to open his mouth and the world will know.

From your above comment, your focus is purely about the Loyalists. But you forgot 1 big difference of This PLA btw That PLA 50 years ago. At that old time, there were A LOT OF Army Loyalists, but Now, no more (very very few) loyalists who are loyal to their Commanders, and you know that all the Military Regions's Commanders are switched periodically, the reason of this is Just to discard those so-called "loyalists". Current PLA commanders and soldiers are royal, but Royal to the Nation, but to a couple of Generals.

You exaggerated the "Loyalists" too much, and claim there would be a Civial War about the "military coup", that's just illusion to be honest. Well, you can stick to your opinion, I have no problem with that.

So why the hell would the political leaders permit this? He is also the Commander in Chief of the Militairy, are u telling me that u want a real coup d'etat? How excatly will it be bloodless? How many chinese people will die from your coup d'etat? It might degenerate into a full blown civil war if the plan does not work to perfection.

I told you it is a "Fake Coup".

HBN there is no such thing as a perfect plan, only idiots and fool will base a war strategie on what there they want there might react do, only fool beleive there such thing as a "perfect" plan, only fool like u would risk civil war in china just so u can "take Taiwan in 24 hours". The conquest of Taiwan does not need to be done in 24 hours, only idiots or people who are full of ego would attempt that without a dam good strategical reason and urgency.

There is of course no Absolute Perfect Plan, but there is surely a Best Plan. And the Best Plan is the Perfect Plan.

Also HBN do u really think that Hu Jintao and the PRC will just let a militairy coup happen without a fight? Do u think there fools? and why would most of the army or poppulation rebel and try something like a coup? Hu JinTao is doing his job well enought, China is not in a crisis and he knows what would happen to him if he doesn't do anything about Taiwan if it declares independance. Your whole militairy coup wouldn't have enought base support to start with.

lol man, you are lost, I told you it is pretented to be a "Coup".

How big is your freaking ego HBN, like i said your "genius plan" is full of holes, u assume wayyyyyyyyyy to much, no real militairy leader would risk so much for so little gain.

lol, HBN cares a shiit about Ego.

As I said, you can stick to your own opinion, but don't try to assume there can't be a Far Better Plan beyond your imagination.

Maybe you are still the traditional thinking type, while many crucial wars be easily won by a Smart Leader


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lol Dragon


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@HBN

- Cut the chase and opera, and lay out your entire attack plan for all to see; now you have your fake coup! What is next?


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@HBN

I already talked about your fake coup , in fact i pretty much gave u tons of options and told u the holes in each of them, if its a fake coup or a real coup, if the fake coup is keep secret in the army or its told to everyone.


Let me simplify this and give u the holes in each of the options:

1) its a fake coup d'etat( most of the militairy is keep in the dark too):

First i doupt the political leaders will ever agree to this, if the coup succeeds they can lose power, since whole supposely leads the fake "coup d'etat" will be seen to most ppl as someone who lead a real successful one. I doupt anyone would give other ppl that much power in there hands, they can take over the power and never give it back to the political leaders. Others militairy personel will be woundering who to follow, chaos can easily come from a coup d'etat, especially if everyone is keep in the dark that its a " fake " one. Like i said i would find it really hard to beleive that the political leaders will risk so much for so little gain, especially when they can get Taiwan in other , much less riskier ways.If even 1 % of the militairy decides to protect the current government from the " coup d'etat" tons of ppl will die. hey maybe u like to risk everything HBN when u can do it in a much less risky way, but i doupt anyone else would.
2) its a fake coup d'etat ( militairy is informed of it):

well if a couple million people know about it, its pretty much not a secret and others will find out pretty fast, China will be seen as a country that lies and fakes information to get what it wants.

3) its a real coup d'etat

U really think the people in power will just sit idle and let someone else take over the power? A fight will result, most likely a bery bloody battle or civil war. Also most people don't have a huge problem with the current government, so getting support for the coup d'etat would be hard, plus enormous risk are involved to whoever tries it, Chinese intel might find out about it and so on.... Also if i'm not mistaken Hu Jingtao is the commander in chief of the militairy, so the chain of command would be fracture, alot if not most of the miliary would fight under his command and not follow whoever is part of the coup d'etat. If the political leaders are captured or killed when the coup happens, u woud not know how many soldiers would still fight against whoever is part of the coup. To assume that most wont is just a small assumption, but even if 1% of the militairy decides to protect the current government and fight against the coup a hell of alot of ppl would still die. Like i said to much risk, to little gain when u have safer ways to take Taiwan.


Keep thinking your a genius HBN, the thing is your way of thinking is very flawed, thank god your not leading China, result would most likely be a weaker China or choas with civil war.

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my plan is not bad, and very practical, time is on our side.

Comrade HBN,

- Where is your entire plan of attack?


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Always remember, HBN likes India and Indian People, and I own you the Buddha"

Thanx

I didnt quite understand the last part though....

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lol the last part means thank you for let me share Buddha with you too

@dragon:
The next steps will be too violent to hear, against priciple of Buddha, it may scare some guy dead from heart-attacks. But still, if the enemies listen to my advice, then no single casualty from both sides lol


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"The next steps will be too violent to hear, against priciple of Buddha, it may scare some guy dead from heart-attacks. But still, if the enemies listen to my advice, then no single casualty from both sides lol"

- Well, Dragon Ol' boy is not a virgin Child(me hopes); so lay out your entire attack plan, and no matter how violent or not ...... so be it!

- Any child or wall flower sissy boys; please don't read HBN Genius attack plan from now on ...... for we don't wanting to shock and scare you!


....... Ok, Comrade HBN; now all them pussy boys been warned ..... lay out your attack plan! ROFLMao


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OK then lol

First a Summary of Steps already taken:

Hour 0: Taiwan declares Independence.

Hour 0-2. PRC Military Coup. Taking out Central Government in 2 hours. Military Government established.

Hour 2: Military Government issues Ultimatum demanding Taiwan's complete Surrender in 2 hours.




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- Ok, Taiwanese Crazy Chen say; phuck you and we call you buff, in the mean time America 7 fleet is being steaming into Taiwan front!

- What are you going to do?

- Is your 2 hours surrender threats can be back up with tactical nukes?


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Hour 0:
Taiwan declares Independence.

Hour 0-2:
PRC got pissed off. But PRC Central Government only barks while doing nothing serious. This pisses off PLA Hawks.
PRC Military Coup occurs. Taking out Central Government in 2 hours. Military Government established.

Hour 2:
Military Government issues Ultimatum demanding Taiwan's complete Surrender in 2 hours. And if Taiwan surrenders in 2 Hours they will get a good deal after PLA lands into Taiwan (like they may enjoy status like HongKong).

Hour 4:
Taiwan say Phuck off stick ur Ultimatum to your arse, and shout non-stop about Long Live Republic of Taiwan.
This pisses off PRC Military Government completely.
Hard Action taken immediately:
10 Hot Nukes each of 5 million TNT (5 A-bombs, 5-H bombs) exploded some 1000 Kilometers East of Taiwan. This time plenty of Taiwanese cowards got pissing in pants serioulsy.
PRC Military Government issues Second Ultimatum demanding Taiwan's complete Surrender in 2 hours. This time if they surrender, they will only get a less good deal after PLA lands in Taiwan Island.








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- Ok, let me ask you a question .......

......... what is the different, for Comrade Hu to call in the nukes East of Taiwan, rather then some pseudo coup and having the Neo-Hawks to call in the nukes ........



...... what different does it makes?


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Difference is:

When the whole 24-hours Game Plan has to be taken with all the bloody steps, then blame the Military Hawks, while Central Government is still PeaceLoving lol

It is about Moral thing man.




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"Difference is:

When the whole 24-hours Game Plan has to be taken with all the bloody steps, then blame the Military Hawks, while Central Government is still PeaceLoving lol

It is about Moral thing man."

- Next question; Since Comrade Hu is the head of the PLA and also the head of the party ...... so any action or in action should be directed by the leader!

- Once Comrade Hu say to start war; and given the Neo-hawks free hand to fight this war ............. then it is up to the military planner to seek out the best ways to defeat Taiwan. If there Military Hawks believes that tactical nukes East of Taiwan as a Big Bambit, so be it ..... and Comrade Hu will support and back up their Neo-Hawk action.

- Comrade Hu is not a Peace Loving softy, he crack plenty of Tibetian Monks during his tour in Tibet; you believes he is afraid to crack Taiwanese brother skull if they called independent?

Also; for the pseudo military coup, it added plenty of uncertainties as we have talked about ....... why, for nothing. When Neo-Hawks under Comrade Hu can just be as effective to issue the tactical nukes orders! What the extra step, and potential to ferment civil war trouble at home?


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lol a man like you should have got my intention immdiately.

Of course this bloody plan should not be done by Official Chinese Government under leadership of Hu Jintao.

If the statesman Hu issues the Nuke stuff, then PRC as a Nation is in big future trouble (Bad repuation in world).

But if it is done by Military Coup members, then it will be a lot easier to handle the internal sanctions and blames. When taiwan is already taken, their military completely destroyed, then those Military Coup members can be taken as "scapegoat", taking most of the resposibility of the bloody nuke thing.

Think about it.


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"lol a man like you should have got my intention immdiately.

Of course this bloody plan should not be done by Official Chinese Government under leadership of Hu Jintao.

If the statesman Hu issues the Nuke stuff, then PRC as a Nation is in big future trouble (Bad repuation in world).

But if it is done by Military Coup members, then it will be a lot easier to handle the internal sanctions and blames. When taiwan is already taken, their military completely destroyed, then those Military Coup members can be taken as "scapegoat", taking most of the resposibility of the bloody nuke thing.

Think about it."


Comrade HBN,

- I have given very careful reading and consideration of each of your cases and your plan; at the end, my conclusion is still the same for the following reasons!

1. Your pseudo plan is too risky for China and the rest of World community; for this could turn a pseudo military coup into a real coup and plunder China into another 200 years of bloody war lords and weakness.

2. Also, if or should the Taiwanese get hold of this pseudo coup d'tet; and they called you buffs ...... which will only leads to national disaster for you will have to follows and use the nukes on Taiwan island.

3. Comrade Hu(in fact, no political leader would have gone with this cockeye pseudo coup); because this means the end of their political careers and very possible for the end of their life.

4. Either way, should the nukes be ordered by Comrade Hu ... or by a group of pseudo coup leaders; these does not makes a different ..... for once the tactical nukes is used, World opinion will changed against China as a global threats! Your navies views that few military hawks will be used as escape-ghost for this crimes is absurd.

5. If a military coup and neo-hawks PLA are in charged of China and control of our strategic nukes; this will only add fuel and argument to support USA and the rest of the China Basher to containment or actively fight and defeat China to removes these dangerous dictators! There is no simple way for you to later remove and to absorb the crimes of these man in front of World communities. Total destruction of China is the only way to defeat and to remove these coup dictators.

6. In fact; lets assumed these pseudo coup leader did use the tactical nukes to defeat Taiwan and caused hundred of thousand death ......... tell me, why would these coup leader give up their power and turn themselves in? As these coup leaders is now war criminal wanted for crimes against humanity; why would they surrender and be drag into Belgium World Court to be trail? Natural basic survival will dictate for these coup leaders to further consolidate power and turn into dictators so that their life can be protected inside China. This will only bred corrupt dictator inside China that will only bring national defeat for us.



- Comrade HBN; I am afraid to tell you, there are much weakness in your pseudo coup d'tet plan and use of tactical nukes for war!

- A tactical nukes is not a common bombs that can just be used without full consideration for the repercussion from World community. I am very glad that Neo-hawks inside China are not holding the leadership role and not control of our nukes.

- There comes a time to fight hard war; but, this is not a game were we taken this issue so lightly. In fact, there are plenty of other sound solution to press Taiwan into submission other then using nukes! The nukes weapons can not be use as an instrument of fighting quick war; rather then a weapons of last resort.

- Whether you like it or not; nukes will not be use in Taiwan war, for no Chinese leader will make this decision to nukes our own Chinese brother on Taiwan.






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lol Dragon you are scared lol

1. Civial War?
No man, not possible, if the Army and People see what those Military Coup members did is just to take out Taiwan, they would surely SUPPORT them.
You not being in Chinese forums the past years, look there, MANY Chinese are FOR nuking Taiwan. And the PLAN is not really nuking Taiwan, it is just THREATENGING nuking the Open Sea First.

2. You forgot that PLA Top Genenerals talking?
They said clearly to Public:
They prefer there would be NO grass growing in Taiwan instead of letting Taiwan go independence.
You also forgot PLA Generals talking publicly Nuking Califonia? lol

Also, you keep on talking Tactical Nukes, but I am here talking about Strategic Nukes lol


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"lol Dragon you are scared lol"

- Brother HBN, being prudent and to fight smart war; does not mean one is weak or scared! There are time to use diplomacy, there are time to fight war; and yes, there are time to use all desperate means to win .....

- But, have we used up all these other means before the last resorts of nukes?

- Isn't is far more superior to win over Taiwan with diplomacy then hard stick. I agreed, when all options are used and can not bring Taiwan return; then we will use the big Mama as a last resort, I rather flatten Taiwan and turn this land into the ground then having them seperate from PRC.



"1. Civial War?
No man, not possible, if the Army and People see what those Military Coup members did is just to take out Taiwan, they would surely SUPPORT them.
You not being in Chinese forums the past years, look there, MANY Chinese are FOR nuking Taiwan. And the PLAN is not really nuking Taiwan, it is just THREATENGING nuking the Open Sea First."

- Your calling to pseudo coup d'tet is just wasteful step which can caused plenty of other issues. You have no guaranteed that the rest of PLA and Chinese population will not stand to fight this pseudo coup ...... hell, the rest of them Commie Party official (68 millions card members) standing up and take up arms; you will have a hard time to contain 68 millions Red Commie on the loose! ROFLMAo

- Why risk so much for so little; when Comrade Hu can just give a free hand to Neo-Hawks within PLA to fight this war. In facts, any PLA Generals who have lost this Taiwan fights; will get replaced immediately for a more hawks General .... just liken in Sino-Vietnam War. Where the first batch of field commander were all replaced with hard nose General who pound the shiita out of VC with heavy guns.




"2. You forgot that PLA Top Genenerals talking?
They said clearly to Public:
They prefer there would be NO grass growing in Taiwan instead of letting Taiwan go independence.
You also forgot PLA Generals talking publicly Nuking Califonia? lol"

- It does not matter who is talking; from a Western or World opinion, neo-hawks or moderate Commie Leader are all the same. In the West, they see every CCP members as dirty Commie; so, there is no political gain by pseudo coup but a Paradox of other potential problems.

- Yes, our PLA hawks did reference to the American; are they willing to trade LA or any other American cities for Taiwan? But, the reality still stand; nukes are weapons of last and desperate resorts. We needed to find other methods and ways to bring Taiwan into the ground, and try to avoid the use of nukes at all cause. But, if all else failed; then yes, use the big mama if this is the last resort!


"Also, you keep on talking Tactical Nukes, but I am here talking about Strategic Nukes lol"

- Made no different between Tactical Nukes or Strategic Nukes; for once the tactical nukes are used .... it will quickly lead to the next step of strategic nukes!



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lol a lot of crap BS from you again.

We are not in the same level and league man lol


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"lol a lot of crap BS from you again.

We are not in the same level and league man lol"

- Now, now; if you lacking on logic and can't win an argument, there is no need to get up tight! So far, plenty of reader of this threads have agreed with my assessment rather then with your cockeyed approach as too extremist.

- So, you needed to present your case to convince other reader; rather then attack the messenger old me! ROFLMAo



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lol what I meant is:

You, at the Front, you are afraid of Wolf; at the Rear, you are afraid of Tiger. Too much fear, too much calculation, will get you nowhere lol

Sometimes things are very simple to sort out


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"You, at the Front, you are afraid of Wolf; at the Rear, you are afraid of Tiger. Too much fear, too much calculation, will get you nowhere lol"

- Actually, Comrade HBN; you used the wrong analogy, please use the proper Chinese reference! ROFLMAo

In Chinese Mumbo Jumbo; "You Fear Ghost At the Front Of Your Bed, and Fearful Of Thieves At the End Of Your Bed!" ROFLMAo

- Prudent calculation is what distinguish a brute and a scholar! Don't you agreed? ROFLMAo


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