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Top 10 hardest special forces training

September 29 2005 at 9:57 PM
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Which country has the highest qualifications for its Special Forces?
(US won't get #1 because Asian countries have been known to actually lose acolytes during training)

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September 29 2005, 10:03 PM 

"Asian countries have been known to actually lose acolytes during training"
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Doesn't necessarily mean that the Asians have implemented the best SF training...could just mean that the SF recruits health are being relatively neglected in comparison to some Western nations during exercises..but I could be wrong.

And I would have to know alot about most nations SF's to compile such a list..

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September 29 2005, 10:07 PM 

1.SAS
2.Foreign Legion
3.KSK
4.Commando Yami
5.Austratian SAS
6.GIGN
7.Kampfschwimmer
8.GSG 9
9.Alpini
10.Korps Commando Troepen



 
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September 30 2005, 12:11 AM 

US training is in the top 10.

 
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September 30 2005, 12:28 AM 

US training is in the top 10.

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September 30 2005, 1:20 AM 

1.SAS
2.Foreign Legion
3.KSK
4.Commando Yami
5.Austratian SAS
6.GIGN
7.Kampfschwimmer
8.GSG 9
9.Alpini
10.Korps Commando Troepen


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September 30 2005, 2:06 AM 


I agree with most of yours choices, but I heard North Korean Special Forces are pretty well trained.

 
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September 30 2005, 2:18 AM 

I'd like to say something about China's special operations forces, China does have special operations forces HOWEVER they are extremely SECRET, without even a name, (except for the frogman group), they have been known to be EXTREMELY well trained and are the best out of the 2 million military personnel currently servicing our country. Its just no one has heard of them and there are absolutely no info regarding them thats why they don't seem to be in the competition.



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September 30 2005, 3:32 AM 

Does North Korea have food to feed its soldiers??

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September 30 2005, 3:38 AM 

They use all there food to feed their soldiers.

 
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Rusland
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September 30 2005, 4:50 AM 

N.Korea vs S.Korea





 
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September 30 2005, 4:53 AM 

Oh no, not the beer!

Oh it's that god-awful Hite... Well he can sink a whole oil tanker full of that piss water for all I care. lol



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September 30 2005, 5:05 AM 

@Rusland
isn't the first picture a PLA soldier (not special force)?


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September 30 2005, 5:10 AM 

really dont know.get this from google with no sign under...

 
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September 30 2005, 5:21 AM 

Quote:
1.SAS
2.Foreign Legion
3.KSK
4.Commando Yami
5.Austratian SAS
6.GIGN
7.Kampfschwimmer
8.GSG 9
9.Alpini
10.Korps Commando Troepen



Foreign legion is an army force (2 REP is the special force within), GIGN is a special force and is definitely more skilled. Some years ago, some terrorists (working in collaboration with russian agents) kipdnapped french kids at the border of somalia. GIGN was called in to the rescue and has to work with the foreign legion, all the skilled and hardest jobs were handled flawlessly by GIGN, the legion role was to prevent the somalian army from helping the terrorists. Technically speaking GIGN training and skills are way above the legions in close combats but the legion did a great jobs destroying the somalian army and also managed to kill one of the russian agent. The sniper jobs and rescuing were done by GIGN, all terrorists in the bus were shot dead simultaneously after the french kids were induced to sleep by the food brought in. One terrorist was outside the bus, unfortunately he was missed by the FFL, and managed to kill one kid, GIGN snipers didn;t miss him. FFL then had to secure the area and beat the hell out of somalian army at that they did a great job. But strictly speaking, GIGN is way above anything in any army, they have a free hand to act and they are an independent section having their own intellignce network. probably the only unit that can equal GIGN in certain field would be the british SAS. And hey the french chassseur pwn the Alpini during WW2.
Hhahahaha, while the french army was crumbling in the north, the italian backstabb France launching an invasion in the south. The only troops in the region were the highly skilled Chasseur alpin (perhaps the best troop in France). They knew the mountain by heart, and a small groups of would beat the italians, in one case 5 chasseurs rounding nearly 100 italians troops.





More recent news, GIGN just raided islamists houses in France arresting 9 terrorists who were planning to blow french metro. And more recently, GIGN were called in to kick the @ss of some strikers who hijack a ship in corsica. GIGN intelligence are known to release terrorists so that they can track them down and extract info from them.

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September 30 2005, 5:26 AM 

Spetsnaz not in there?

That pic is amazing.

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September 30 2005, 8:47 AM 



Special Forces Training for most part of the World is pretty much Equal so its kinda pointless comparing how tough one is over the other... Most Army SF have based theres along the lines of the SAS or USSF ..most navies have copied the US Navy Seals..

for Example Here is India's

THe NSG was directly raised by and patterend along the lines of GSG-9

The Navy MARCOS was Raised by the US NAVY Seals AND the Royal Marine Commandoes SBS ( The first batch was trained at both Institutions)

THe Indian Army SF got its Initial Training/Doctrine from none other than the British SAS.

the SFF (special Frontier Force) got its Training and Doctrine from the US Special Forces and the CIA SOGs

DELTA of the US Army was raised along the lines of the British SAS.

Pakistan on the other hand with the SSG is purely American influenced while the NSSG (naval) has its influences from American, Iran and Turkey.

With so much cross training and methods being learnt and re-written most SF units in the world are pretty much the same .

Even for the most part the equipment is pretty Equal ( Depends on your pocket ofcourse)..

What matters in the end ofcourse is Backup support and Experience..





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September 30 2005, 9:09 AM 

Foreign Legion are NOT Special Forces.

Still there training is pretty hard (Djibouti, French Guyana)

Not sure GIGN is that hard. Very technical but not very hard physically.

Better look at 1er RPIMa for the army or "Commado de Marine" like Commando HUBERT for the Navy.




 
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September 30 2005, 9:14 AM 


I don't think Special forces training are pretty standard world wide. Each SF trains according to their respective experience, there are similarities as well as differences. SF are always trying new maneuver. they definitely don't have the same rule of engagement, for instance GIGN are sometime require to disable a target rather than killing the target, this practice would not be acceptable in another country.

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September 30 2005, 9:37 AM 

Well i doubt if many of us know sufficient detail about individual
training methods to know if one nation
'has the edge'

However, i notice people dismiss the americans, i think they
have one distinct advantage when it comes to 'special' operations.

Resources, not just the ever present support,
but the ability to specialise within a narrow field.




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September 30 2005, 9:44 AM 

Personnally, Ý would put the 1er RPÝMA and Commando Hubert above the GÝGN,although the GÝGN would have the upper hand concerning shooting skills.
Ý think Ý read once that Delta is regularly coming to France for shoot training with the GÝGN.

 
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September 30 2005, 10:00 AM 

These lists are always hard to justify.

However, with respect to UK SF i was under the impression that the SAS training was inferior to the SBS. The SBS only recruits from the Royal Marines, which most by most peoples account are special forces in there own right!

The SBS have to complete SAS training, then further selection traning.



 
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September 30 2005, 10:01 AM 

the only thing I'm going to say in this thread is.........don't underestimate the American's, anyone who think's their tier 1 asset's aren't any good.... and yes Western sof's do lose men in training, the Brit's lose on average 2 a year, the American's....more

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September 30 2005, 10:11 AM 

However, with respect to UK SF i was under the impression that the SAS training was inferior to the SBS. The SBS only recruits from the Royal Marines, which most by most peoples account are special forces in there own right!

The SBS have to complete SAS training, then further selection traning.

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I dont think they are lower standard

The SAS mainly takes people from the Parachute regiment as i understand
it, altho people from all regiments can apply.

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September 30 2005, 10:21 AM 

ok, I've been pulled back in here although the SAS does get recruit's from other regiment's, the majority around the 75% range are para's, and the majority of those that pass are Pathfinder's, an elite within and elite, alot of guy's use the PP as a stepping stone to the regiment, but this thing about the SBS being "harder" is not frankly true, they each have to go through rigorous selection's to get where their going, plus, as was mentioned the SBS is virtually an exclusive RM club, while the SAS has a broad range of skill's, or atleast it used to, because of the guy's passing, signaller's, engineer's, even the odd MP

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September 30 2005, 4:54 PM 

To any list you would probably have to Add the Indian And Pakistani SF units ..Based purely on Experience. For Example NSG has done over a 100 CT|HR Ops since 1985 with ZERO Failures (exept the Khandahar blunder which was political) and lost their First Operator in 2003 in Gujrat while re-taking a Temple.

You can also not discount the South African pathfinders , Thai Seals , Aussi SAS , Kompass , Russian Alpha|Omon Units , Singapore Army Commandos , Vietnamese Commandos , Columbians ,Israelis the list goes on and on.

May is right about The American back up . At the end of the day you can only train so hard. What makes the difference would be the Back Up . EW Gear , Comms , Sat|Reccon , Air Support (CAS) , Naval Support all counts

But IMHO what seperates the Americans from the british. I.e a Successful op from a botched one ( the brits over the years have a higher percentage of Success) is Intelligence. Getting the right intelligence to the right people on Time. This is where the British Surpass most countries because their Humint is far superior to most western countries (israel not included)



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September 30 2005, 5:25 PM 

Canada's JTF2 deserve to be on the list. They have proven themselves to be one of the best in the hills and mountains of Afghanistan along side the US Delta force and British and Australian SAS forces, hunting and killing Taliban and Al Queda fighters.

In other words, they have been proven in combat. They’re not some mickey mouse unit that puts on fancy, intimidating parades in war paint and big guns, and never saw a day of combat in their lives.

 
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September 30 2005, 5:47 PM 

Korea's Army 707th Special Missions Battalion, Navy SSU, UDT/SEAL, and ROK Marine Force Recon are all definitely up there with the best. I'd mention the H.I.D too if it weren't a defunct unit, this unit has undertaken thousands of infiltration missions to North Korea over the decades. The details of their mission remain a secret to this day, but it has been recently revealed that hundreds of its operatives never made it back to South Korean soil, never in history has any unit been given as suicidal a task as given to these guys. And of course there's the famous "684" unit, now immortalized in history... a 31-man death squad created for one single purpose, to infiltrate PyongYang and assasinate Kim Il Sung. Of course by now, this is all ancient history. We don't launch raids and assasinations at North Korea anymore.

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September 30 2005, 7:07 PM 

Well there is no best special force training,like there is no best unit.YOu can do that like Dragonball ..
Nearly every unit excels in some parts,while some do good in a alot of areas,like the SAS for example.
Speaking of traning,if you call the SAS training the best,why not considering the Delta Force,because the trainingof the Delta Force is based on that of the SAS,while adding positive american elements.

And btw.neither the Foreign Legion nor the 2.REP are considered special forces,same for the alpinis.
Its a shame that superp units like 1RPIMa or the GCMC only gets one mention,they are the best of the best in france ...


 
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September 30 2005, 7:20 PM 

'ok, I've been pulled back in here although the SAS does get recruit's from other regiment's, the majority around the 75% range are para's, and the majority of those that pass are Pathfinder's, an elite within and elite, alot of guy's use the PP as a stepping stone to the regiment, but this thing about the SBS being "harder" is not frankly true, they each have to go through rigorous selection's to get where their going, plus, as was mentioned the SBS is virtually an exclusive RM club, while the SAS has a broad range of skill's, or atleast it used to, because of the guy's passing, signaller's, engineer's, even the odd MP'

Lol banner,i thought it was a rule of yours not to respond to these types of threads?

Just something about what you wrote above.I was told that more than 1/3 of the SAS were recruited from the RM and the SBS is something like 90% RM to.Then again this could ebcause there are twice(or is it three times) as many Royal marines than there are paras?


 
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September 30 2005, 7:29 PM 

Lots of people forgot the best SF groups
For example I heard the Polish SF group was very good
The Belgian Sie ( Special Intervention Eskadron ) is very skilled too
And the Danish SF group

Some pictures of the Belgian Special Forces Sie






Last 2 pics was on training in Scandinavia

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September 30 2005, 7:33 PM 

Well if you pass the pathifinder course,you shouldnt have a problem passing the SAS test,this why it is natural that pathfinders are often just go on to the SAS.This isnt that much different in other countrys ....
Speaking of elite,how about considering the GCMC.It has only 17 members and all of them have passed the already hard test of the marine commandos.Everyone specialice himself in one theme,while beeing backup in anohter.
@Mistral
Well there isnt one danish special forces group and the polnish unit you are talking about is probably GROM.

 
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September 30 2005, 9:57 PM 

Sorry Jacks about the Danish SF
I thaught I read it somewhere , maybe it was swedish ?
Not Sure though , Sorry

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September 30 2005, 10:57 PM 

best special forces training Turkish bordo beret


and Turkish Bordo beret win all military contest


 
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September 30 2005, 11:01 PM 

what kind of military contest was that?
those two german teams dont look like very specialized


 
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September 30 2005, 11:11 PM 

The right ones are Fallschirmjäger, the left look like Panzergrenadiere.

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October 1 2005, 7:19 AM 

u know how pakistani ssg commando's initial qualifying test is:


they have to go through a 2 km tunnel, in total darkness (no night vision), armed with nothing, and there are men with hard wooden sticks and what not to beat them up all the way through.

those who can fight their way through the 2 km tunnel qualify past the initial phase, and those u cant do not pass.

thats just the first qualifying test.

my uncle told me about it. he is an ex-army general, but served as regular infantry officer. not a commando.






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October 1 2005, 11:24 AM 

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Lol banner,i thought it was a rule of yours not to respond to these types of threads?

Just something about what you wrote above.I was told that more than 1/3 of the SAS were recruited from the RM and the SBS is something like 90% RM to.Then again this could ebcause there are twice(or is it three times) as many Royal marines than there are paras?


No mate, that 1/3 of the sas is a RM is a bit of a misconception that goes around, people mix up men who have done the all arm's commando course who then go to the SAS or fomer army support element's of the commando brigade, and mistake them for RM's, that's not the case, although there are a good number of RM's in the Desmond's it's not nearly 1/3

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October 1 2005, 11:35 AM 

ok, just reading through the thread, seen some interesting thing,s, Korean SEAL, chating with a guy I know, who "experienced" them firsthand.......hardest bunch of crazy people he ever met, it was an insanse asylum but with weapon's ,Indonesian Kopassus or what ever their going by now, expert's at attacking old men women and children,, got their nose bloddied a few time's in ET by various forign sof's there on the border, just a bunch of armed thug's, Turkish red beret's, tough but not that well rounded in what would be thought of as SF skill set, more like high speed commando's, although didn't the US army capture some of them in Northern Iraq a while back?

anyway, there are so many good unit's no one hear's about, in Europe alone, the ESD from Slovenia, SOG from the Czech republic, the Spanish GOE, UOE and thier SEAL's, Greek MYK, Polish Naval diver's, the name of which escape's me now , Swedish SSG, Danish Fromankorp, and Jaegerkorpset, the new Finnish Kova unit, ect ect, just because you've haven't heard of some one doesn't mean they aren't any good, and the converse of that is true, just because they have a public profile, doesn't mena they know their arse from their elbow

sorry for the old man lecture kid's

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October 1 2005, 12:09 PM 

"1.SAS
2.Foreign Legion
3.KSK
4.Commando Yami
5.Austratian SAS
6.GIGN
7.Kampfschwimmer
8.GSG 9
9.Alpini
10.Korps Commando Troepen"

yeah, put some more European troopers in there. That will prove our superiority ...


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October 1 2005, 12:20 PM 



i thought this was meaned to make a list without u.s.

but instead of discusing about my list in 50 replies u guys could make your own




 
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Re: Top 10 hardest special forces training

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October 1 2005, 12:33 PM 

And hey the french chassseur pwn the Alpini during WW2.
Hhahahaha, while the french army was crumbling in the north, the italian backstabb France launching an invasion in the south. The only troops in the region were the highly skilled Chasseur alpin (perhaps the best troop in France). They knew the mountain by heart, and a small groups of would beat the italians, in one case 5 chasseurs rounding nearly 100 italians troops.



You really need to stop taking your propaganda weed every day. The Alpini were not in the invasion of France. And 5 troops rounding over 100 Italians, yeah, you really need to stop with the trash.

Italy may have not gotten far into France, but it wasn't sure as hell because of the French resistance.


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October 1 2005, 12:38 PM 

Turkish bordo beret fihting with pkk terorist and everytime successful .Which country's special forces shooting practice with friend.
Original pics in Bordo beret practice


 
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October 1 2005, 8:06 PM 

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ok, just reading through the thread, seen some interesting thing,s, Korean SEAL, chating with a guy I know, who "experienced" them firsthand.......hardest bunch of crazy people he ever met, it was an insanse asylum but with weapon's ,Indonesian Kopassus or what ever their going by now, expert's at attacking old men women and children,, got their nose bloddied a few time's in ET by various forign sof's there on the border, just a bunch of armed thug's, Turkish red beret's, tough but not that well rounded in what would be thought of as SF skill set, more like high speed commando's, although didn't the US army capture some of them in Northern Iraq a while back?

anyway, there are so many good unit's no one hear's about, in Europe alone, the ESD from Slovenia, SOG from the Czech republic, the Spanish GOE, UOE and thier SEAL's, Greek MYK, Polish Naval diver's, the name of which escape's me now , Swedish SSG, Danish Fromankorp, and Jaegerkorpset, the new Finnish Kova unit, ect ect, just because you've haven't heard of some one doesn't mean they aren't any good, and the converse of that is true, just because they have a public profile, doesn't mena they know their arse from their elbow

sorry for the old man lecture kid's


Good to read from a men who knows what he is talking about.
This kind of threads in fact are useless since this can not be decided so easy.
There are even more good units no one ever heard about,only high profil units get the mentions ...
The best examples is in my opion the 1 RPIMa.This unit is the elite unit of the french army,same as the SAS is the elite unit.In fact these two unit are as close as it gets in terms of relationship,because of having the same history.But if somebody talks about french special forces units they talk about the legion,witch isnt a special forces unit , and about GIGN,witch i am respect deep from the heart btw.
The polnish navy unit you were talking about should be GROMs special boat unit.


Anyway

 
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Re: Top 10 hardest special forces training

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October 2 2005, 7:37 AM 

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Well there is no best special force training,like there is no best unit.YOu can do that like Dragonball ..
Nearly every unit excels in some parts,while some do good in a alot of areas,like the SAS for example.
Speaking of traning,if you call the SAS training the best,why not considering the Delta Force,because the trainingof the Delta Force is based on that of the SAS,while adding positive american elements.

And btw.neither the Foreign Legion nor the 2.REP are considered special forces,same for the alpinis.
Its a shame that superp units like 1RPIMa or the GCMC only gets one mention,they are the best of the best in france ...





Although the FFL is definitely not a SF, the 2eme REP although strictly not a SF can at time be condidered as one. It has 4 companies each specialise in one type of warfare namely urban warfare, mountain warfare, amphibious assault or explosive manipulation and precision shooting. GIGN and 2 REP do at time train together, so a 2eme Rep can definitely be deployed as a SF.

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Re: Top 10 hardest special forces training

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October 2 2005, 11:56 AM 

Surely the FFL could do jobs special forces do,but therefor there have there own special forces,namely the CCP and DINOPS.

 
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October 2 2005, 11:59 AM 

U.S Navy Seals are known to have the toughest PHYSICAL training in the world.


 
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October 2 2005, 9:28 PM 

@Michel, I finally remembered the Polish unit........that was annoying me, they are the GSP,Grupa Specjalna Pletwonurkow (Naval Special Frogman Group), or their nickname is "Formoza" after the old ship wreck they dive on at their base

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October 2 2005, 9:37 PM 






- The picture above is a PLA, later I will return to post some PAP picture; don't have any PLA Special Ops pictures! In the mean while, enjoy the following Wushu Video!

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October 3 2005, 3:15 AM 

They weren't special ops, they were special forces.

 
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October 3 2005, 6:00 AM 

One of the ROK SF soldier got shot while he was heli-Rappeling,
and the Norky's markmanship was so good, most of the shots that killed ROK
soldiers were head shots.
Anyway the commie guerrillas were under the command of the
communist "labour party's special op force.," stright down from the KIm's
personal special units.

 
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Re: Top 10 hardest special forces training

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October 3 2005, 2:43 PM 

How about Sayaret Matkal? How about Indonesia's Kompassus? I've heard that all Indonesian Kompassus operator are force to developed their body anti venom by purposely letting their soldiers being bitten by CObras.

By the way, i've heard that the German Mountain School or something like that is much tougher than anything else.

Seriously, SAS and US spec forces are not that tough.

 
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October 3 2005, 3:22 PM 

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How about Sayaret Matkal?.


their reputation is excellent......and deserved

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How about Indonesia's Kompassus? I've heard that all Indonesian Kompassus operator are force to developed their body anti venom by purposely letting their soldiers being bitten by CObras.
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their reputation is not good also well deserved, btw the object is to not get bitten in the first place, and if you do, you or the patrol medic, will take care of it, with medical knowlage, not some half assed macho ritual...which doesn't really work, because you need to be bitten numerous times to develope an imune response, and they usually "drink" the venom, which is broken down by the gasteric acid, alot less dangerous that way



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By the way, i've heard that the German Mountain School or something like that is much tougher than anything else.
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that is a School for Recce unit's, if you're at it, it mean's you've usually qualified in a unit somewhere else, therefore it is not that hard, just another school....



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Seriously, SAS and US spec forces are not that tough.


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