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Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

October 6 2005 at 2:27 AM
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Rabies_Baby  (Login NintendoGamer76)
Eagle Squadron (US)

Which is the best A2A missile?

IRIS-T






AIM-9X






Python 5






    
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Mango Commando
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Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 2:55 AM 

Chinese PL-6 is not bad aswell

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Anonymous
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Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 3:20 AM 

Should we start calling you Chinese now?

 
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Anonymous
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Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 3:22 AM 

I would go

1.Python 5
2.AIM-9X
2.IRIS-T

 
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flordecana
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Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 3:23 AM 

What bout the russian AA-11 archer? Its a good candidate too.


 
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Anonymous
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October 6 2005, 3:25 AM 

The Archer is a bit old.

 
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Anonymous
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Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 3:26 AM 

All these now have an edge over it now expecially the Python 5 which is capable of a 180 degree turn. Meaning the guy in the back can get some.




 
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flordecana
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Gagah Setia (Malaysia)

Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 3:35 AM 

I go for..

1.Python   2.Archer  3. Sidewinder  4. Iris


 
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dwight looi
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Well...

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October 6 2005, 4:26 AM 

Here is a nice videoclip with dozens of AIM-9X shots including a few very cool 90 and 180 degree U-turn shots.



Here is my take on the AIM-9X

The AIM-9X probably has the best seeker and guidance, but the worst motor. The AIM-9x is a compromised round. The fifth generation Imaging IR seeker -- also used on the current production AIM-132 ASRAAM -- with a 180 field of view is very good. The guidance package -- which allows for lock-on after launch with helmet, radar or EW suite cueing -- is second to none. The missile is also backwards compatible to any aircraft capable of launching the AIM-9 (albiet without all the advanced cueing modes) and its self-contained seeker which does not require external liquid nitrogen supply also ranks high for flexibility and reliability. However, the AIM-9X uses the AIM-9L/M/N motor which is almost a decade and a half old. Even though the missile is now thrust vectored and tail controlled, the old motor limits its dynamic performance. The minimalist fins also means two things. Firstly, once the motor burns out the super agility goes out the window with the thrust vectoring. Secondly, because of the minimal drag the missile probably has better kinetics at the edge of its envelope compared to say the Python 5 with massive aerodynamic controls, even though maneuverability will also be decidedly inferior. The reason for retaining the old motor for cost savings from being able to remanufacture AIM-9L/M/N rounds into AIM-9Xs by reusing the thousands of old motors.


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Anonymous
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October 6 2005, 6:19 AM 

Anyone else?



    
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Anonymous
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October 6 2005, 6:42 AM 

1. Python 5/AIM-9X
2. IRIS-T


 
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Anonymous
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Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 12:40 PM 

I will yell it out: Iris-t is WAAAAAYYY better than AIM9X.
Make a research.

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orao
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Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 12:43 PM 

Python 5 is the best because IAF pilots are the best in dog fight and the most experienced, also.

 
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Thunder
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Question: is MICA IR a rythmic stick by your guys standards?

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October 6 2005, 12:51 PM 


Thanks for including it in the contest...

- CDG: Thunder SAY AGAIN? Your intentions are unreadable... (Thunder) AGAIN?... AGAIN?...AGAIN?...

 
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roland
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October 6 2005, 1:00 PM 

Well if you include the MICA, there is no contest at all



 
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October 6 2005, 1:08 PM 

You'll have to include ASRAAM in your little pissing contest as well.

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October 6 2005, 1:27 PM 

the k-74ME has a 120 degree off boresight capability and what people always fail to mention about the python is that in order to get the maneuverabilty and thus the 180 degree capability it sacrifices range. The K-74ME which will become the R-74 will have twice the range of the python and almost the same offboresight maneuverability.

The PYTHON 5 HAS HALF THE RANGE OF THE K-74ME! HTH.

 
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October 6 2005, 3:37 PM 

The ASRAAM has a range of over 10nm. So as most other systems mentioned it is used primarily in the WVR.







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Re: Best Air 2 Air missile: IRIS-T vs. AIM-9X vs. Python 5

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October 6 2005, 4:09 PM 

Can someone post these missiles capabilities side by side?

Range, speed, guidance, etc.

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roland
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October 6 2005, 4:47 PM 

Designation - Guidance - rangeMin/max(km) - Speed(Mach) - Weight(kg) - Length/diam./span(cm)

Matra MICA - AR/IR - 5/50 - 3+ - 110 - 310/16/56

http://www.mbda.net/site/FO/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=124

Rafael Python 5 - IR - /20 - 4 - 106 - 300/16/50

IOC 2003
Same airframe, warhead, proximity fuze and motor as Python 4,
two colour focal plane array seeker, upgraded INS and autopilot/flight
control laws. "Full sphere capability". Seeker may be a derivative of
the cancelled AIM-9R's seeker.

Molniya/Vympel R-73E RDM1 - IR - 0.3/30 - 3+ - 110 - 290/18/51
Can intercept 12G targets at 0.3-30 km
or turn 180 deg

Raytheon AIM-9X - IIR - ? - 2.5? - 85 - 302/13/48

Evolved Sidewinder
128x128 staring focal plane array, 3-5 micron. It has thrust vectoring, will use existing Sidewinder motors. Fins and rudders are smaller.

BGT/SAAB/AleniaMarconi IRIS-T - IIR - ? - ? - ~88 - 287/13/64

IRIS - T carries a roll-pitch imaging IR seeker with a ± 90 degree look angle and advanced signal processing and is fully compliant with existing analogous Sidewinder and digital aircraft interfaces. Its mass, length, diameter and centre of gravity are also similar to the AIM-9L/M Sidewinder. IRIS-T is an all-up round/certified round logistic concept.
Thrust vectoring, 90 deg off boresight seeker, 64x64 (scanning?) indium-antimonide 3-5 micron seeker. Sidewinder interoperable. Capable of 60G turns and 60deg AoA. Active radar fuze, 9kg warhead.


 
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