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Worlds top 10 Weakest military powers.

February 12 2006 at 12:18 AM
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Since yet another "top 10 strongest" has come up, allow me to counter it with this...

What do you think are the worlds top 10 weakest military powers.


    
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February 12 2006, 12:32 AM 

Probably a lot of the Asian island countries like Vanuatu and the ones with like 5000 people.

 
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February 12 2006, 12:45 AM 

Vatican City has the Swiss guard and thats it but I heard that those guys were tough.



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February 12 2006, 1:16 AM 

Just to clarrify this, to have the weakest military the country must have a military, not a police force!

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February 12 2006, 1:24 AM 


Oakridge

"Vatican City has the Swiss guard and thats it but I heard that those guys were tough."

Yeah i've heard that too, apparently very highly trained.

It's a pity they look so stupid.



Where would you carry your weapon if you were forced to wear this.


 
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February 12 2006, 1:31 AM 

They carry swiss army knives and crossbows (being swiss).
And their uniform colors blend well with the surroundings, in exercises it was found they are effectively cloaked as well as a Predator.
Do not let their appearance fool you.


 
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February 12 2006, 1:37 AM 

Bahrain. They are really property of Iran, anyhow.



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"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 2:07 AM 

Try and take bahrein.


last time the iranians tried to take an arab state they left behind 3/4ths of all their known equipment holdings.



I am sure jordan would love some more Iranian Cheiftans.





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February 12 2006, 2:24 AM 

<<Probably a lot of the Asian island countries like Vanuatu and the ones with like 5000 people.>> Vanuatu is part of asian?

What about Andorra and Liechtenstein?

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February 12 2006, 2:28 AM 

dont forget san marino





 
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February 12 2006, 2:39 AM 

uhh abdullah we are afraid of the arabs. we take bahrain when we feel like it. not a damn thing you arabs can do.

 
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February 12 2006, 2:51 AM 

what navy is iran going to use ?





 
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February 12 2006, 2:55 AM 

when will you feel like it?



because I myself feel like taking iranians as slaves.


 
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February 12 2006, 3:10 AM 

The Swiss Guard is traditionally supposed to use a Halberd for ceremonies. But other than that, an air bomb would pretty much stop that party, so not much of a force.


 
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February 12 2006, 3:25 AM 

haha....you are a joke man. I know how much you hate persians...but try not to hurt yourself when making us your slave.

 
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February 12 2006, 3:27 AM 

Swiss guard are Elite Soldiers of the Swiss army (they must be at least 1,90m ect.), they also do the job of the bodyguard for the pope and others
that stupid dress is only used for representative guarding
and yes, they even have machine guns

With over 500years its most likely the oldest active military unit in the world.











 
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February 12 2006, 3:44 AM 

@Abdul
Three Fourths? You love using this figure. It is obviously BS.

@GER MARK
A better question would be: With what Navy would Bahrain defend itself?



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 3:57 AM 

Bahrain is certainly not that weak! They have a decent Air Force, baring in mind the size of the country...

Bahrain Map



F-16C/D Block 40



Equipment

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/bahrain-af-equip.htm







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February 12 2006, 4:12 AM 

No worries there! We attack when Joey and Adam are on lunch break!



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 4:20 AM 

"uhh abdullah we are afraid of the arabs. we take bahrain when we feel like it. not a damn thing you arabs can do."
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This sounds like USSR vs Finland in the 40's and we all know what happened! You should also note that Bahrain is an island With 22 F-16s ready to repel, at least the first wave of any naval or aerial attack.

In addition their army has 180 M-60A3 plus 115 M-113A2. Their artillery isn't that good, but they have 9 MLRS and 13 M-110s which if positioned at key points can bee very effective.

Their AF plus their Army can keep control for the first 5 days, until then I expect Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE, to step in and eliminate any remaining enemy presence...

PS: Again, remember that Bahrein is an island, hence that an attacking force should have sufficient ships to carry MBTs and APCs (lets say 60 MBTs plus 120A PCs in day 1), otherwise anything else will get butchered.



"Bahrain is the first of the Gulf nations to request the Lockheed Martin ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile System), which employs the MLRS M270 platform."

and this is something interesting:

http://www.missilesandfirecontrol.com/our_news/pressreleases/00pressrelease/122000_MLRS.htm

http://www.armada.ch/01-1/010.htm



"In March 1999, the United States agreed to sell AIM-120B AMRAAM missiles to Bahrain to bolster the security of Gulf states against Iraq and Iran. The exact number of missiles sold is unknown. The US is normally reluctant to approve AIM-120 sales; this particular deal was probably approved due to the fact that Bahrain hosts the US Navy's Fifth Fleet in the Gulf."

www.f-16.net






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February 12 2006, 4:30 AM 

yes bahrein is an island however it is connected to the arabian peninsula via a roadway.


saudi arabia has a mechanized regiment dedicated to the defense of bahrein.




 
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February 12 2006, 4:31 AM 

and I do not hate persians, I find your women to be attractive, and worthy of an arab hand.







 
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February 12 2006, 4:37 AM 

what ships will iran land troops with ?
how long do they need to cross the ocean ?





 
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February 12 2006, 4:50 AM 

I don't know about Iranian navy, but bahrain seems to have a sinlge frigate!! Plus two Corvettes (french amethyste? dunno really)

O.H. Perry Class

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PS: I just found out that Bahrain has ordered 8 AH-64 Apaches, maybe the D variant, not sure though. That's something new! plus some 20 Cobras.




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February 12 2006, 4:53 AM 

"yes bahrein is an island however it is connected to the arabian peninsula via a roadway."
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So this means that an attacking force will definitely won't try to use the bridge!






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February 12 2006, 5:02 AM 

exactly

it also means that the arabs will be able to quickly reinforce the local forces.

where as the iranians in their rubber boats, and glass bottomed navy will have to come across perhaps 80-120 miles of hostile waters




 
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February 12 2006, 5:11 AM 

I anybody wants my view, having read some really interesting articles in Aerospace International (RAeS monthly review), and having spoken to some Arab colleages, Bahrain has some quality Air Force plus reliable navy and army.

Other countries, with 80 million population and 14 Tomcats are in danger to enter the list, not the small country of Bahrain.





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February 12 2006, 5:21 AM 

First of all, Iran's population is 70 million.
Secondly, 55-60 Tomcats are in service with IRIAF, thanks to the superb work of our engineers.



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 5:28 AM 

Any sources about those numbers? I've said before that 60 F-14As for defending such a large coutry is simply a joke.





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February 12 2006, 5:31 AM 

On top of the things already mentioned, Bahrain's navy also has 4 missile boats and 2 patrol boats. The patrol boats may not be worth that much, but they can be used to mine a selected area.
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/mideast/bahrain.htm

Mentioning Bahrain as a weakest military power was stupid. Bahrain certainly has enough of a military that if Iran were to attempt to invade, they could hold them off until Saudi Arabia could intervene.


    
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February 12 2006, 5:32 AM 

No, a joke is to have a colonial watchdog having to do the fighting for you (just as in Bahrain's case).



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 5:37 AM 

Issa,

Listen mate, this is a military forum and all that counts is MILITARY STRENGTH, TRAINING and CAPABILITY. Being colonial or not doesn't count in war situation.

Anyway, I get your moral point but the fact that Iran has 2 corvettes (same number as Bahrain and older in terms of technology) should alarm you.

Btw, do you have any info about those new Iranian Navy LSTs?

Thanks.







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February 12 2006, 5:47 AM 

Iran has recently built a hovercraft capable of carrying 26 men aboard. That is the extent of my knowledge.

The Defence Ministry has also claimed Iran has built its own frigate, the Peykan.



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead


    
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February 12 2006, 5:49 AM 

Cheers





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February 12 2006, 5:53 AM 

Thank you, sir.
One must take into consideration, when one looks at Iran's present Air and Naval inventory, that the bulk of Defence funds are devoted to R&D. Iran has no interest in procuring foreign arms at the moment.



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 5:53 AM 

"No, a joke is to have a colonial watchdog having to do the fighting for you (just as in Bahrain's case)."

Other than being a stupid comment, I utterly fail to see what purpose there was to that statement. Bahrain has military which is quite strong for a country its size. Looking things over in more detail for Bahrain, Iran would actually find it militarily difficult to sucessfully invade Bahrain even if everyone else stayed out.

Bahrain has an 11,000 man army which along along with everything else already mentioned includes M60A3 tanks. That represents a serious obsticle to any initial invasion force for which rapidly unloading tanks may be difficult. Iran would actually have serious problems period moving over a sufficient force to take the island with its amphibious forces. The issue is they have to move over enough troops on dedicated amphibious tranports before Bahrain's forces can overrun the beachhead and drive off the attackers. Bahrain's navy and air force can complicate this by potentially sinking amphibious tranports.

Its still prudent for Bahrain to get support from more powerful countries through strategic alliances though. Small countries simply can't hope to be so militarily powerful as to be entirely safe from all possible attackers, so seeking more powerful allies is the smart thing to do. They definately are strong enough to repel an Iranian attack until others can intervene.

 
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February 12 2006, 6:00 AM 

The reality is Iran can not invade Bahrain nor any other nation. Our armed forces are not trained to invade. We do not spend money to buy or build equipment to invade other nations. Our forces are trained, designed and strategically placed to defend Iran.

If our goal was to invade Bahrain then we will focus our strength on it and I am sure it wont be very difficult to build a force that can counter all Persian Gulf nations. Iraq was the only force in the region capable of holding Iran at bay. Thanks to our allies the Americans they are no longer capable of holding Kuwait at bay let alone Iran.

We have the capabilty to build ships, Submarine, medium rane rockets, fighter jets, tanks and more. No Arab nation in the region can claim that. War is not won in one or two days and unlike our Arab brothers we dont give up after 7th day.




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February 12 2006, 6:37 AM 

"it also means that the arabs will be able to quickly reinforce the local forces."
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I don't know about that really. I guess this would be the first victim of the attack


But again we all remember the famous "Doumer bridge" in North Vietnam. It took the Americans ages to actually destroy the bridge!!! I guess that IRIAF won't use anything more complicated than HOBOS or Paveway I (<-- the same systems USAF/USN used to hit the bridge in North Vietnam).





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February 12 2006, 7:03 AM 

Secondly, 55-60 Tomcats are in service with IRIAF, thanks to the superb work of our engineers.



Since f@cking when???????

Unless Iran has jumped three decades in aerospace engineering and developed a indigneous industry capable of supporting the massive reengineering of Western technology......that's crap. Your latest efforst have resulted in producing prototypes of 40 year-old F-5s. Not much of a track record.

No spares or support for almost 30 years and somewhat limited training before the break in relations.


Post the serial numbers and as many recent pictures of the 60 operational Tomcats as you can. Give us a little of the inside info that you have regarding the status of these aircraft, okay. I say this with the full knowledge that YOU CAN'T. If you could, you'd prove me wrong........BUT YOU CAN'T.







 
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February 12 2006, 7:29 AM 

@Phoebus
IIAF has not existed for 27 years.

@Joein
Here you are:

(3-942) F-14A H-80
3-863 F-14A H-1 3-864 F-14A H-2 3-865 F-14A H-3 3-866 F-14A H-4 3-867 F-14A H-5 3-868 F-14A H-6 3-869 F-14A H-7 3-870 F-14A H-8 3-871 F-14A H-9 3-872 F-14A H-10 3-873 F-14A H-11 3-874 F-14A H-12 3-875 F-14A H-13
3-876 F-14A H-14 3-877 F-14A H-15 3-878 F-14A H-16 3-879 F-14A H-17 3-880 F-14A H-18 3-881 F-14A H-19 3-882 F-14A H-20 3-883 F-14A H-21 3-884 F-14A H-22 3-885 F-14A H-23 3-887 F-14A H-25 3-888 F-14A H-26 3-889 F-14A H-27 3-890 F-14A H-28 3-891 F-14A H-29 3-892 F-14A H-30 3-893 F-14A H-31 3-894 F-14A H-32 3-895 F-14A H-33 3-896 F-14A H-34 3-897 F-14A H-35 3-898 F-14A H-36 3-899 F-14A H-37 3-900 F-14A H-38 3-901 F-14A H-39 3-902 F-14A H-40 3-903 F-14A H-41 3-904 F-14A H-42 3-905 F-14A H-43 3-906 F-14A H-44 3-907 F-14A H-45 3-908 F-14A H-46 3-909 F-14A H-47 3-910 F-14A H-48 3-911 F-14A H-49 3-912 F-14A H-50 3-913 F-14A H-51 3-914 F-14A H-52 3-915 F-14A H-53 3-916 F-14A H-54 3-917 F-14A H-55 3-918 F-14A H-56



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 7:41 AM 


Wonderful.........the serial numbers of the F-14s originally delivered in the 1970s.

Can you provide evidence that 50-60 of them are still operating with bastardized or Russian sourced components? With pictures of each of them?


 
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February 12 2006, 7:49 AM 

Pictures? You honestly beileve our military leaders are going to make it that easy on the enemy?



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 7:50 AM 

Issa,

Ooops, my mistake...I'll edit my post to: IRIAF.





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February 12 2006, 7:54 AM 

Not a problem.



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 8:19 AM 

"Post the serial numbers and as many recent pictures of the 60 operational Tomcats as you can."
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Some old ones...Iran is keeping those birds away from the public eye. Can't blame then at all.





This is the latest I found...



Well, having in mind that Iran received 79 tomcats from which 2 crashed before the Revolution, this leaves 77. Now, there was an 8 year War with Iraq, so I bet 15-20 were canibalized/lost in action, hence this leaves IRIAF with about 57-62 left.

Then between 1988-2006 (18 years), if we assume a crash rate of 1 unit every 4 years, then Iran would have between 52-58...which is what Issa claims.

Hence I expect at least 45-50 of them in service.







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February 12 2006, 8:32 AM 

Here is a more recent image:



We stopped using the brown camo scheme a few years ago. There are not many photos, but here are some videos from recent war games:

www.iribnews.ir/video/01/09/12/a281.wmv
(They will appear at 1:54)



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 8:44 AM 

Blue camo huh? This looks like the Aegean Ghost scheme used by the Greek Air Force F-16s and F-4E AUPs. It's good for dogfights over sea, so I guess Iran intends to use them near the sea.



Thanks for the info.





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February 12 2006, 9:08 AM 

What about Indonesia? They are a very large country with something like 100 million population and their armed forces suck!

look at their AF:

In a surprise move during a visit to Russia in April 2003, Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri signed a contract for the delivery of two Su-27SK's, two Su-30MK's and two Mi-35P's (destined for Penerbad). The export Flankers will have a drogue refuelling probe. The two Su-27's arrived with SkU15 at Iswahjudi on August 27, followed by the two Su-30's on September 1. They were officially handed over on September 20, 2003. In July 2004 the TNI-AU finally said farewell to the A-4 Skyhawk as the last few operational examples were withdrawn from use by SkU11 at Hasanuddin. On April 12, 2005 they were replaced by the Flankers as they moved in from Iswahjudi to claim their new hangar. More Flanker orders are anticipated but financial problems keep changing the plans. In December 2004 the sole SkU17 B707-3M1C was sold and replaced by a B737-2Q8 in February 2005.

Plus they have 8 old F-16As.

In my view, we have winner!!!


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February 12 2006, 12:08 PM 

Issa, can you show us pics of more than 10 Tomcats flying side by side ?
I doubt that this would be a major threat to the national security of your country to post such a pic


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February 12 2006, 11:38 PM 

I do not have such images, nor does anybody.
Iran's military, IRIAF especially, is highly secretive.



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 12 2006, 11:46 PM 

Iranian F-14A's are no threat to any thing.F-16MLU's pose more of a threat Iranian F-14A's,They do not even have LCD screens.

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February 12 2006, 11:58 PM 

There you have it. God has spoken. Iran's military is worthless. LOL. What a clown.



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-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.�
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead

 
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February 13 2006, 1:38 AM 

back to topic, I think the Philippine military is extremely weak for a country that size. Just check out their Navy, it seems like they are all left overs from WWII

 
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February 13 2006, 2:28 AM 

Philippine is one of the weakest, not only for Navy, but for airforce and army too.

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February 13 2006, 3:59 AM 

were are not here to flame and fight. Let keep it civilized.

Iran has a great navy and air force aand can capture bahrain easly but off course arabs would come to their aid. Either way arabs cant fight or use their weopons so they lose! LOL im playing.

weakest for size theres too many!

ps - greek guy what are you tryng to say but having a "support Denmark" sig?



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February 13 2006, 7:47 AM 

ps - greek guy what are you tryng to say but having a "support Denmark" sig?
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February 13 2006, 9:07 AM 

Quote:
Philippine is one of the weakest, not only for Navy, but for airforce and army too.




thats not true... look closer to your home.. buddy...

 
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February 13 2006, 10:25 AM 

I will admit, I cannot discuss military matters beyond blatant generalarities.
Here is a post on Iranian anti-ship capability by our dearest AryanShah (who is, I should add, a war hero):

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Iran has taken the potential of closing the Strait of Hormuz very seriously and has developed a well integrated, multifacted, and multi-layered anti-ship missle network. The most crucial section of this network would be that section running from Jask to well beyond Bandar-e Lengeh. The anti-ship missile batteries are comprised of various types of missiles deployed depending on location and need. These missiles, which are entirely produced in Iran, include but are not limited to the Noor (YingJi-8/82), Fei Long-10 (supersonic missile similar to Fei Long-7 developed especially for Iran), Hai Ying-2/2A (2A having infrared terminal homing), Hai Ying-4, Ra'ad (Iranian developed long range supersonic missile with potenial land attack capability), 3M-80E Moskit, and possibly the Yakhont. Most batteries are capabible of launching several dozen missiles nearly simoultaneously, both at a single target or multi-targets. Most of these batteries, like Iran's surface to surface ballistic missile launchers, are highly mobile and at the current time are moved continously on a regular basis to different locations in a set radius. Iran employs a very effective camouflage system for these batteries, making them extremely hard to spot and kept track of when they are moved. The missile network is also comprised of an advance surface scaning radar network, and as a back up each battery has a independent scan radar. It is also rumored that Iran produces the submarine launched version of the Ying Ji-8 missile but it is unclear on which submarines these are operated if true. Iran has indeed negiotated with Russia on purchasing Club submarine launched anti-ship missiles and on updating its three Kilo class attack submarines with the ability to use these missiles. However, as far as I know either a deal has never been reached or the conversions and delieveries have yet to have taken place. In addition, Iran has recently got their hands on the new Chinese Ying Ji-82A improved anti-ship missile. These should fit in fairy well with Iran's present arsenal. Also, it seems Iran is set on aquiring the new Chinese Ying Ji-83 (which is supersonic in its terminal phase) and Ying Ji-63, when they become available especially in their land based variants.

One must not forget to note Iran's airborne anti-ship capabilities and their ship-to-ship capabilities. I'll see if I can write more on that when I have the time. By the way, I am sure our great Bozorg agha knows a lot more than me about this and can add more about the subject.


http://www.network54.com/Forum/242875/thread/1139786840/last-1139825880/Can+Iran+Really+Close+The+Strait+Of+Hormuz>--



"We will write our own military manuals, which the Americans, British, and French can study in their staff colleges."
-Colonel Behrouz Soleimani, Deputy Commander of the Iranian 21st Infantry Division, following the Liberation of Khorramshahr

"The baseless claim made us laugh. We do not use laptops to keep our classified documents.�
-Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi, on American claims that an Iranian laptop they had captured contained evidence that Iran was producing a nuclear warhead


    
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