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Hundreds of US deserters flee to Canada

March 29 2006 at 1:55 AM
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Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty

Duncan Campbell
Tuesday March 28, 2006
The Guardian


Hundreds of deserters from the US armed forces have crossed into Canada and are now seeking political refugee status there, arguing that violations of the rules of war in Iraq by the US entitle them to asylum.
A decision on a test case involving two US servicemen is due shortly and is being watched with interest by fellow servicemen on both sides of the border. At least 20 others have already applied for asylum and there are an estimated 400 in Canada out of more than 9,000 who have deserted since the conflict started in 2003.


Ryan Johnson, 22, from near Fresno in California, was due to be deployed with his unit to Iraq in January last year but crossed the Canadian border in June and is seeking asylum. "I had spoken to many soldiers who had been in Iraq and who told me about innocent civilians being killed and about bombing civilian neighbourhoods," he told the Guardian.
"It's been really great since I've been here. Generally, people have been really hospitable and understanding, although there have been a few who have been for the war." He is now unable to return to the US. "I don't have a problem with that. I'm in Canada and that's that."

Mr Johnson said it was unclear exactly how many US soldiers were in Canada but he thought 400 was a "realistic figure". He had been on speaking tours across the country as part of a war resisters' movement and had come across other servicemen living underground.

Jeffry House, a Toronto lawyer who represents many of the men, said that an increasing number were seeking asylum. "There are a fair number without status and a fair number on student visas," he said, and under UN guidelines on refugee status they were entitled to seek asylum.

The first test cases involve Jeremy Hinzman, 26, who deserted from the 82 Airborne Division and Brandon Hughey from the 1st Cavalry Division. A decision on their applications is due within the next few weeks. If they are turned down the case will be taken to the federal appeal court and the Canadian supreme court, according to Mr House, a process that would last into next year at least.

All deserters, past and present, are placed on an FBI wanted list. Earlier this month, Allen Abney, 56, who deserted from the US marines 38 years ago during the Vietnam war, was arrested as he crossed into the US, a journey he had taken many times before without problem. He was held in a military jail in California for a few days, then discharged.

"They have resuscitated long-dormant warrants," said Mr House. "I know 15 people personally who have crossed 10 or more times without problems and then all of a sudden they are arresting people. It seems like it would be connected to Iraq."

Lee Zaslofsky, 61, the coordinator of the War Resisters' Support Campaign in Toronto, said that he was impressed by the young men who were seeking asylum. "Some have been to Iraq and others have heard what goes on there," he said. "Mainly, what they discuss is being asked to do things they consider repugnant. Most are quite patriotic ... Many say they feel tricked by the military."

During the Vietnam war between 50,000 and 60,000 Americans crossed the border to avoid serving.





http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1740905,00.html

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Re: Hundreds of US deserters flee to Canada

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March 29 2006, 3:11 AM 

It is not surprising that the issue of American soldiers deserting the Iraq was has not been given much publicity in the US!

The irony is that this is happening at the time when the US armed forces is a volunteer military!!!

Here some more on this:



Deserters: We Won't Go To Iraq

Quote:

"It makes me sad to know that there's that much hate in the country," says Hughey. "Before I joined the Army, I would have thought the same way. Anyone who said no to a war, I would have thought them a traitor and a coward. So, in that essence, I'm thankful for this experience, because it has opened my eyes and it has taught me not to take things on the surface."

However, he adds: "I have to say that my image of my country always being the good guy, and always fighting for just causes, has been shattered."




http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/06/60II/main659336.shtml






For young deserters, refuge is hard to find

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"''When I went over there, I didn't question," Anderson said. ''I believed in my country, you know, freedom and democracy and support the troops and all that. But there are no terrorists over there. There are no weapons of mass destruction. All we were doing was blowing up innocent people's houses."




http://www.boston.com/news/world/canada/articles/2005/04/24/for_young_deserters_refuge_is_hard_to_find?pg=2




U.S. deserters find no refuge in Canada

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"If I'd followed orders, I would have been killing innocent people," said Spec. Darrell Anderson, 22, of Lexington, Ky., who served in the 1st Armored Division, primarily in Baghdad, for seven months before he deserted in January. "I wasn't going to do that."




http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050425/news_1n25deserter.html




Military Deserters Flee To Canada
About 6,000 Soldiers Deserted From Iraq War; 150 Fled To Canada

Quote:


"I went to fight for my country. To me, the Army, they lied to me from the beginning,"




http://www.wesh.com/news/4534806/detail.html




US deserter's Canadian campaign

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"I'm coming for you," reads one threatening e-mail, laced with racism and obscenities. "Desserters [sic] should get shot in the back especially at war time," reads another.

The US Army is now a volunteer force, although critics point out that many soldiers come from poor rural backgrounds and see the service as the only way to get a job or a college education.

The lawyer acting for the two deserters reportedly gets calls every day from US soldiers looking for a way out of serving in Iraq.

And some US politicians have recently floated the notion of bringing back the draft, a move Mr Hinzman warns would send a wave of deserters across the border to join him.

"I think if that happens they might as well build housing developments here" for draft dodgers, he said.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3867481.stm



US deserters flee to Canada to avoid service in Iraq

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Hinzman said last week: "This is a criminal war and any act of violence in an unjustified conflict is an atrocity. I signed a contract for four years, and I was totally willing to fulfil it. Just not in combat arms jobs."

He realised that he had made the "wrong career choice" as he marched with his platoon of recruits all chanting, "Train to kill, kill we will".

He said: "At that point a light went off in my head. I was told in basic training that if I'm given an illegal or immoral order, it is my duty to disobey it. I feel that invading and occupying Iraq is an illegal and immoral thing to do.''

"I had been willing to die to make America safe," he said. "I found out, basically, that they found no weapons of mass destruction and the claim that they made about ties to al-Qaeda was coming up short. It made me angry. I felt our lives as soldiers were being thrown away."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/09/wus09.xml


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Re: Hundreds of US deserters flee to Canada

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March 29 2006, 3:13 AM 

Already posted here

http://www.network54.com/Forum/242875/thread/1143597189/last-1143598207/Hundreds+of+US+deserters+flee+to+Canada+just+to+avoid+death+in+Iraq

And I have proven it to be a questionable creditability. Of course there will be a few deserters, there are in every war.




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Re: Hundreds of US deserters flee to Canada

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March 29 2006, 4:41 AM 

Don't worry, we'll send the cowards back. It's not like they're conscripts or anything. These are people who voluntarily signed up.

 
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March 29 2006, 4:47 AM 

I thought that this was a post from catsoo...Looks like everyone who joined since 9/11 they will not stay in canada for long nor are there as many ass you think.

 
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Re: Hundreds of US deserters flee to Canada

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March 29 2006, 6:14 AM 

@Arcticchicken

Quote:
I thought that this was a post from catsoo...Looks like everyone who joined since 9/11 they will not stay in canada for long nor are there as many ass you think.



Well, that all depends how good you are at math!! If the current number of
US troops are 135,000 then 6000 desertees amounts to 5% !

But remember The 6000 number was figured sometime in 2005. By now, you may
be talking 10%! You sure you undestand these numbers?

Hey, I would not be surprised if very soon we hear US soldiers defecting to Iran just across the Iraqi border!


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March 29 2006, 6:21 AM 

Quote:
Well, that all depends how good you are at math!! If the current number of
US troops are 135,000 then 6000 desertees amounts to 5% !

But remember The 6000 number was figured sometime in 2005. By now, you may
be talking 10%! You sure you undestand these numbers?

Hey, I would not be surprised if very soon we hear US soldiers defecting to Iran just across the Iraqi border!


Catsoo


Catsoo has finally and completly lost his mind. Thousands of troops have deserted and some are heading to IRAN? Right. Let me guess. They are heading to North Korea, China, ans Syria too.




"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."-Buddha
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March 29 2006, 12:17 PM 

[But remember The 6000 number was figured sometime in 2005. By now, you may
be talking 10%! You sure you undestand these numbers?]


-I highly doubt the figures doubled in 1 year...

 
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March 30 2006, 12:32 AM 

5000... You wish!



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March 30 2006, 2:15 AM 

Its like a flashback to the 60's expect without hippies.

 
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March 30 2006, 7:10 AM 

Catsoo all you can do is call name? Wow!! I hope you did not get your feeling hurt again about something. A Mod once asked me to stop making fun of your name but if you want to open the door than fine. Please contact the Owner/Mods here and let them know it is okay with you that I can shake your tree and make fun of your manhood. Other wise you my name the correct way or not at all.

Remember those men you say are running up to Canada are fighting for you right to speak your peace. This is what happens when you live in the West.

Big Hugs to you little man.

 
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April 1 2006, 6:36 PM 

US deserter 'shocked by abuses'


A US soldier who fled to Canada to avoid serving in Iraq says he was shocked by alleged atrocities committed by the American military.
Josh Key was speaking before Canada's refugee board hearing his asylum plea.

Among the incidents, he described soldiers kicking the severed head of an Iraqi like a football in Ramadi.

Mr Key served as an explosives expert in Iraq for eight months, and deserted to Canada with his family in 2004. He faces a court martial back in the US.

The soldier, 27, also told Canada's refugee board he saw a US army squad leader shooting the foot off an unarmed Iraqi man.

The army's attitude in Iraq was "just shoot and ask questions later", Mr Key said.

Appeal

Mr Key says he refuses to fight in a war he regards as immoral and illegal.

About 20 US soldiers have applied for asylum in Canada. Two have already had their applications rejected.

The Immigration and Refugee Board said it was not convinced the men would face persecution if they were sent back to the US. They have said they will appeal against the decision.

Speaking to the BBC, Mr Key said he was in Iraq when he realised the war was unjustified.

"The only people that were getting hurt was the innocent; that was innocent Iraqi people, as well as innocent soldiers."

On his return to the US, he told the army that he did not want to return, but was advised that he would face prison if he refused. It was then that he decided to desert.

"Before I went to Iraq, I was trained on how to escape terrorists. You learn to only go where crime is already at. You only go somewhere where who cares about a deserter if somebody is getting murdered every night. I went to Philadelphia," he said.

He spent 14 months in the city, before deciding to flee to Canada.

During the Vietnam war, more than 100,000 Americans went to the neighbour country to avoid the draft.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/4859948.stm



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April 1 2006, 8:18 PM 

Catsoo where are you thousands of deserters?? you may have one but ??

Anyway it makes a great story to someone, I think?

Anyway Catsoo is at it again:)

 
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April 1 2006, 9:03 PM 

More detail testimony by the US deserters!

Catsoo

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“Shoot first, ask questions later”

3/31/2006 5:00:00 PM GMT




(REUTERS PHOTO) Detained Iraqis surrounded during a raid in Maidan, northeast of Baquba, Iraq


In one incident a U.S. army squad leader shot the foot off an unarmed Iraqi civilian and fellow soldier kicked a severed head around as if they’re in a football match, described Joshua Key, a U.S. war deserter.

Speaking to an Immigration and Refugee Board hearing on Thursday, Joshua Key, the first U.S. deserter with combat experience in Iraq to apply for refugee status in Canada, detailed what he said were numerous atrocities committed by U.S. Army he witnessed while serving eight months as a combat engineer in Iraq, according to the Canadian Press.

Key, who was told in Iraq by superior officers that the international law guiding humanitarian standards was just a "guideline," said he was never trained on the Geneva Convention.

"It's shoot first, ask questions later," Key, 27, said of his squad's guiding principles.

"Everything's justified."

Key, one of five members of the U.S. armed forces seeking asylum in Canada, told the hearing he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and frequently has nightmares over the horrific scenes and the inhuman acts of the U.S. soldiers he witnessed in Iraq.

As a member of the 43rd Combat Engineer Company, Key recalled taking part in almost nightly raids on houses of what the military claimed belonged to suspected rebels in Ramadi and Fallujah.

Key said soldiers ransacked homes and steal jewelry and money, while superior officers looked the other way, adding that those attacks on seldom turned up anything valuable.

During those raids, several Iraqis were shot dead, Key said, adding that there were cases where soldiers "shoot out of fear and invent reasons afterward."

Key said he saw beheaded bodies of fours Iraqis beside a shot-up vehicle in Ramadi. He also described seeing members of the Florida National Guard kicking a severed head "like a soccer ball."

In Khaldia, a village between Fallujah and Ramadi, Key witnessed one of his "trigger happy" platoon's squad sergeants shoot part of an unarmed Iraqi man's foot off.

He also described another horrific scene where U.S. soldiers indiscriminately kick and scream at two hooded and naked group of Iraqis while escorting them to a grassy area to relieve themselves.

Asked by Keith Brennenstuhl, the IRB member overseeing the hearing, ruled at an earlier hearing that the board would not consider the legality of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, whether he received any interrogation training before snatching what the military called were suspects out of their homes during raids, Key said:

"The only thing we were told was how to keep them quiet," Key said. Soldiers cuffed prisoners' hands behind their backs and put hoods over their heads, key added.

"Could they breathe?" Brennenstuhl asked.

"I guess it wasn't my concern," replied Key, who also said that officers used the hoods with the aim of "humiliating them."

Key, who says he went to Iraq as a willing participant believing U.S. intelligence claims that the former Iraqi Saddam Hussein possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, noted he became disillusioned with the war during his service and thus decided to abandon his contract with the army during a two-week leave from Iraq in November 2003.

• Worst of massacres

Of the latest scandals involving the U.S. soldiers’ inhuman acts in Iraq was the Haditha incident where the American invaders murdered 15 Iraqi civilians.

Ignoring residents’ accounts about the Nov. 19 incident in Haditha where U.S. Marines killed 15 members of two families, including a 3-year-old girl, following a roadside bomb that killed a Marine, a U.S. military official, who asked not to be identified, claimed that it was common for Iraqi rebels to fight from civilian homes and structures and place noncombatants in the line of fire.

But a 10-year-old Iraqi girl, who lost seven members of her family in an attack by American marines in the horrific November incident, has exclusively given ITV News a shocking first hand account of the horrific Haditha massacre which residents say amounts to mass murder by U.S. invader.

According to the Iraqi girl’s story, which has been disputed by the U.S. occupying Army, a group of screaming soldiers stormed Iman Waleed’s house in the Iraqi town of Haditha spraying bullets in every direction. 15 people were killed, including Iman’s parents and grandparents.

Although Iman’s account was confirmed by other eyewitnesses who also said that the incident, described by human rights workers as the worst massacre of civilians by U.S. forces in the country since March 2003 invasion began, was a revenge attack after a roadside bomb killed only one marine.

A November statement issued by the U.S. military claimed that the incident was an ambush on a joint U.S.-Iraqi patrol that left 15 civilians, eight rebels and a U.S. Marine dead in the bombing and a subsequent firefight.

But the claim had been rejected by numerous residents’ accounts, which confirm that the only shooting after the bombing was by U.S. forces.

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April 1 2006, 10:58 PM 

We have already covered this in a previous thread. So I'll only rehash it briefly.

US military desertion rate is showing a significant DOWNWARD trend since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom. In the three years prior to the Iraq war (2000~2002) 13,029 US Army personel deserted . It the period AFTER the commencement of Iraqi Freedom (2003~2005) about 8,000 US Army personels deserted. More specifically, 3,678 in 2003, 2,376 in 2004 and just under 2,000 in 2005.

US Airforce, Navy and Marine numbers also showed trends of desertion rates going down. Not only that, while recruiting rates are down -- as in the usual case in periods of conflict -- re-enlistment rates are UP!

What it means is that all these nonsense about US soldiers running away from the war is just that, NONSENSE! US soldiers either support the war or they feel an obligation to do their duty alongside their fellow men in uniform. This is why fewer are deserting the ranks and more are re-enlisting after they finished their contractual terms.




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April 1 2006, 11:28 PM 

I don't get this. Wont it be easier to get a mental discharge than to leave the country?

 
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April 2 2006, 6:19 AM 

I am so sorry for you catsoo. You are full of horse $hhitttt. I think that since your words are loosing their power that you have to add photographs in your vain attempt to show Americans in a nagitive light. Please post your photographs of the peace makers that went to Iraq and were beheaded or cut into many pieces. There are always two side and often more but to limit you world view to one side shows how limited you are. Hate will not get you very far. It is pitiful thay you are so full of hate.

 
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