Quote:HONOLULU — The U.S. military intercepted a midrange target missile in a test off Hawaii on Friday, marking the ninth time it has successfully shot down a missile from a ship at sea. Two of the past attempts failed.
The USS Decatur fired an interceptor missile from a point off Kauai, hitting the midrange target’s simulated warhead 100 miles above the Earth, the Missile Defense Agency said in a news release.
The target separated midflight, meaning the interceptor missile had to distinguish between the warhead and booster rocket for “the kill.”
The military fired the target from the Pacific Missile Range Facility on Kauai. About four minutes later, the Decatur launched an SM-3 missile, which collided with the target, destroying it over the Pacific Ocean, 250 miles northwest of Kauai, the agency said.
“It went exceedingly well,” said Rear Adm. Alan B. Hicks, Aegis ballistic missile defense commander and program director.
“We will spend the next two to three months going through all the data that we collected from the event,” Hicks said in a telephone interview.
More than 70 ground, sea and airborne sensors were used to gather information on the test that will cost a total of about $50 million, he said.
The test marked the first time a Navy destroyer intercepted a target missile. Previously only Navy cruisers had done so.
The frigate Mendez Nunez tracked the target, marking the first time a Spanish navy ship participated in an Aegis missile test. Japanese and Dutch navy ships have tracked missile targets during previous tests.
The test was initially scheduled for Thursday but had to be delayed because a fishing trawler could not clear the hazard area in time, Hicks said. Planes, helicopters and small boats were used to patrol thousands of square miles of ocean to keep an eye out for “range foulers,” he said.
Cruisers are similar to destroyers in that they both handle missions ranging from hunting submarines to tracking ballistic missiles. But destroyers are smaller than cruisers, displacing only some 8,400 tons in the water compared to 9,600 tons.
The vessels also carry fewer sailors. A destroyer has about 323 officers and enlisted sailors on board compared to 364 on a cruiser.
The military plans to make destroyers an integral part of the sea-based Aegis ballistic missile defense system it is building to protect the U.S. and its allies against missiles from North Korea.
The Pacific Fleet will install long-range missile tracking and midrange missile interception technology on 13 destroyers and three cruisers by 2009.
The military is equipping two Atlantic Fleet destroyers with the same capabilities.
The Aegis ballistic missile defense system refers to the technology the military has mounted on Navy ships to intercept midrange missiles. There’s another program, Ground-based Midcourse Defense, that’s designed to shoot down missiles midway through their flight with interceptors fired from Alaska and California.
Both complement other systems designed to shoot down missiles in their final stages of flight, the Patriot system already in use and the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system under development.
The Missile Defense Agency is also developing lasers that will shoot down missiles just after they are launched.
Quote:A Standard Missile-3 is launched from the Aegis destroyer Decatur during a Missile Defense Agency ballistic missile flight test June 22. Two minutes later, the SM-3 intercepted a separating ballistic missile threat target, launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility, Barking Sands, Kauai, Hawaii.
Quote:A medium-range ballistic missile with a separating target is launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility on Kauai in Hawaii as part of a test June 22. The USS Decatur fired an SM-3 interceptor missile from a point off Kauai, hitting the midrange target's simulated warhead 100 miles above the Earth, the Missile Defense Agency said in a news release.
Quote:A Standard Missile-3 is launched from the Aegis destroyer Decatur during a Missile Defense Agency ballistic missile flight test June 22.
"Korea has not been the only battle ground since the end of the Second World War. Men have fought and died in Malaya, in Greece, in the Philippines, in Algeria and Cuba, and Cyprus and almost continuously on the Indo-Chinese Peninsula. No nuclear weapons have been fired. No massive nuclear retaliation has been considered appropriate. This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origin--war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins, war by ambush instead of by combat; by infiltration, instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him. It is a form of warfare uniquely adapted to what has been strangely called 'wars of liberation,' to undermine the efforts of new and poor countries to maintain the freedom that they have finally achieved. It preys on economic unrest and ethnic conflicts. It requires in those situations where we must counter it, and these are the kinds of challenges that will be before us in the next decade if freedom is to be saved, a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training."-President Kennedy's Address at Graduation Exercises of the U.S. Military Academy, 1962
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"The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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"Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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USS Decatur
Displacement: 8,315 tons
Length: 505.25 feet (154 meters)
Beam: 67 feet (20.4 meters)
Draught: 30.5 feet (9.3 meters)
Propulsion: 4 × General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines, 2 shafts, 100,000 shp (75 MW)
Speed: 30+ knots
Range:
Complement: 23 Officers
24 Chief Petty Officers
291 Enlisted Personnel
Armament: 1 x 29 cell, 1 x 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launch systems, 90 x RIM-67 SM-2, BGM-109 Tomahawk or RUM-139 VL-Asroc, missiles
1 x 5/54 in (127/54 mm), 2 x 25 mm, 4 x 12.7 mm guns, 2 x Phalanx CIWS
2 x Mk 46 torpedo tubes
Aircraft: 1 SH-60 Sea Hawk helicopter can be embarked
F104 Méndez Nuñez
Displacement ( tons ): 5.802.
Dimensions ( metres ): 146,72 x 18,6 x 4,75
Main machinery: CODOG: 2 x GE LM-2500 gas turbines ( 46.648 hp ), 2 x Bazán-Caterpillar 3600 diesel ( 12.000 hp ).
Speed ( knots ): 28,5.
Range ( miles ): 5.000 at 18 knots.
Complement: 240 ( 35 officers ).
Guns: 1 x 127mm/54 Mk45 Mod. 2, 2 x 20mm/120.
Missiles: SSM: 8 x McDonnell Douglas Harpoon. SAM: 32 x Standard SM-2 Block IV and 64 x RIM-7PTC Evolved Sea Sparrow, from 48 x Mk 41 VLS launchers.
Torpedoes: 4 x 324mm. Mk32 Mod 9 tubes. Honeywell Mk 46 mod 5.
Radar: Air Search: Lockheed Martin SPY-1D 3-D tracking, target designation and weapons control; Surface search: Raytheon SPS-67(V)4; Fire Control: AEGIS system, 2 x Raytheon SPG-62 target illuminators (Mk99 system); Fire Control: 1 x FABA DORNA ( RTN-30 radar for gun ) ; Navigation: Thales Scout.
Sonar: ENOSA-Raytheon DE 1160LF (I) hull-mounted.
Countermeasures: Decoys: 4 x FMC SRBOC Mk 36 decoy launchers; SLQ-25A Enhanced Nixie acoustic torpedo decoy; ECM/ESM: Indra SLQ-380 Aldebarán intercept/jammer suite; CESELSA Elnath Mk 9000 comms intercept. Laser detection and countermeasure syst.
Helicopter: 1 x SH60B Seahawk.
Raytheon RIM-161 Standard SM-3
Length (incl. booster): 6.55 m (21 ft 6 in)
Finspan: 1.57 m (61.8 in)
Diameter: 0.34 m (13.5 in)
Weight: ?
Speed: 9600 km/h (6000 mph)
Ceiling: > 160 km (100 miles)
Range: > 500 km (270 nm)
Propulsion: Booster: United Techologies MK 72 solid-fueled rocket
Sustainer: Atlantic Research Corp. MK 104 dual-thrust solid-fueled rocket
3rd stage: Alliant Techsystem MK 136 solid-fueled rocket
Warhead Hit-to-kill kinetic warhead (KW)
"Korea has not been the only battle ground since the end of the Second World War. Men have fought and died in Malaya, in Greece, in the Philippines, in Algeria and Cuba, and Cyprus and almost continuously on the Indo-Chinese Peninsula. No nuclear weapons have been fired. No massive nuclear retaliation has been considered appropriate. This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origin--war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins, war by ambush instead of by combat; by infiltration, instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him. It is a form of warfare uniquely adapted to what has been strangely called 'wars of liberation,' to undermine the efforts of new and poor countries to maintain the freedom that they have finally achieved. It preys on economic unrest and ethnic conflicts. It requires in those situations where we must counter it, and these are the kinds of challenges that will be before us in the next decade if freedom is to be saved, a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training."-President Kennedy's Address at Graduation Exercises of the U.S. Military Academy, 1962
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"The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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"Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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This is the Orbital Medium Range Target used in the test. It's intended to simulate a Medium Range Ballistic Missile (1000~3000km range) with a separating MIRV and capable of carrying multiple decoys. The term "Orbital" refers to "Orbital Sciences Corporation" -- the company that makes the vehicle -- and has nothing to do with going into orbit around the earth.
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"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" -- Barry Goldwater (1909~1998) - one of the finest US Senator and Conservative Leader in modern history.
Well being should be a reward for individual competence, diligence and responsibility.
Well being should never be an entitlement.
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Oakridge, I am convinced now that you are cuming a lot more often reading about every new fancy weapon (not to mention posting them) than enjoying a naked woman.
Get a life dude! However, the only other logical possibility is that you must be a paid agent!
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There is no nation in the human history that has killed the greatest number of people ,directly or by proxy, in the name of freedom and Democracy but the US of America! Needless to say the vast majority were/are civilians!
With that, US and Israeli defence forces are historic cowards!
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Have you taken a look at the name of this forum? It is titled "World Armed Forces Forum". I am posting and discussing the armed forces of the United States and other countries.
"Korea has not been the only battle ground since the end of the Second World War. Men have fought and died in Malaya, in Greece, in the Philippines, in Algeria and Cuba, and Cyprus and almost continuously on the Indo-Chinese Peninsula. No nuclear weapons have been fired. No massive nuclear retaliation has been considered appropriate. This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origin--war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins, war by ambush instead of by combat; by infiltration, instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him. It is a form of warfare uniquely adapted to what has been strangely called 'wars of liberation,' to undermine the efforts of new and poor countries to maintain the freedom that they have finally achieved. It preys on economic unrest and ethnic conflicts. It requires in those situations where we must counter it, and these are the kinds of challenges that will be before us in the next decade if freedom is to be saved, a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training."-President Kennedy's Address at Graduation Exercises of the U.S. Military Academy, 1962
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"The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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"Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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Maybe Mr Catsoo, however Oakey is just trying to contribute to the forum by uping the average quality of the post's, so can you really complain? Perhaps you could post Iran latest weapons it's developed and testing... or tis there nothing to post in this regard
The target is interesting, what was it developed from? I tried to find out about these some time ago, but couldn't find much. A longer ranged version could be an interesting weapon for a country like Italy (countries in Southern Europe), purely to help deter Middle Eastern and possible future North African missiles, obviously it would have to armed which probably violates one of the SALT treaties IIRC, and be accurate enough for deliver of scatter munitions or perhaps an advanced GPS guided explosive warhead. I'm sure the Greeks and Turks would probably also like a few
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Quote:Perhaps you could post Iran latest weapons it's developed and testing... or tis there nothing to post in this regard
He, he, why bother to spend millions and billions of dollars to come up with "high tech" weapons when obviously Iranian simple military technology has proven deadly and successful in splitting your high tech military weapons into many pieces and all over the battlefiels in the Middle East? Making you bleed in both lives and funds!
Also, Iranians do not habitually like to show much of their secret weapons like the Americans do, they simply postpond the show time to the battlefield.
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Victor: Is one who faces an equal or suprior adversary and overcomes.
Coward: Is one who takes on weak and claims victory.
There is no nation in the human history that has killed the greatest number of people ,directly or by proxy, in the name of freedom and Democracy but the US of America! Needless to say the vast majority were/are civilians!
With that, US and Israeli defence forces are historic cowards!
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The target is interesting, what was it developed from? I tried to find out about these some time ago, but couldn't find much. A longer ranged version could be an interesting weapon for a country like Italy (countries in Southern Europe), purely to help deter Middle Eastern and possible future North African missiles, obviously it would have to armed which probably violates one of the SALT treaties IIRC, and be accurate enough for deliver of scatter munitions or perhaps an advanced GPS guided explosive warhead. I'm sure the Greeks and Turks would probably also like a few
The MRT was designed as a target and wasn't derived from a legacy weapon. It is also not particularly high performance for its size or particularly high tech (it's fin steered not thrust vectored). It is a metal missile which is rather heavy compared to the graphite epoxy boosters Orbital employs on applications where performance actually matters. As a MRBM or IRBM conversion, the two missiles Orbital builds for use as ground based mid-course ICBM interceptors are more interesting -- the OBV (Orbital Boost Vehicle) and KEI (Kinetic Energy Interceptor). The OBV is capable of taking a kinetic energy kill vehicle to a space intercept up to 6000km downrange at an altitude of up to 2000km.
Orbital Boost Vehicle (NMD)
Northrup/Orbital KEI
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The MRT was designed as a target and wasn't derived from a legacy weapon. It is also not particularly high performance for its size or particularly high tech (it's fin steered not thrust vectored). It is a metal missile which is rather heavy compared to the graphite epoxy boosters Orbital employs on applications where performance actually matters. As a MRBM or IRBM conversion, the two missiles Orbital builds for use as ground based mid-course ICBM interceptors are more interesting -- the OBV (Orbital Boost Vehicle) and KEI (Kinetic Energy Interceptor). The OBV is capable of taking a kinetic energy kill vehicle to a space intercept up to 6000km downrange at an altitude of up to 2000km.
Very interesting regarding the intercept vehicles, but would they be capable of taking a meaningful payload such as 1-2000lb of GPS bomb + deliver vehicle from Palermo in (south) Italy to Tabriz (north west) Iran, a distance of 2867km (1781 miles) or better? Im guessing the guided interceptors dont weigh all that much...
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For a guy that religiously comes onto WAFF to post anti-American and anti-Israeli garbage, I wouldn't try and make a pass at Oakridges abilities with the ladies.
Also, for a guy that is so fanatical in his devotion in total hate of the two states, I find it hard to see you having any chance with the ladies yourself.
Just count how many threads you start compared to Oakridge... You might just wake up and smell the coffee.
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Quote:big deal 1 missile, but it wont stop a full blown nuclear attack.
lol keep trying but i have serious doubts. try stopping thousands at 1 time.
Of course it won't, nobody ever said it was. This weapon is for use against nations without thousands of missiles, ie everyone except Russia. But I am not entirely sure you get the concept behind this weapon or the idea of layered defenses. I suggest doing some research.
Also, it is quite the deal to intercept a missile. Basically it is like trying to hit one bullet with another bullet.
"Korea has not been the only battle ground since the end of the Second World War. Men have fought and died in Malaya, in Greece, in the Philippines, in Algeria and Cuba, and Cyprus and almost continuously on the Indo-Chinese Peninsula. No nuclear weapons have been fired. No massive nuclear retaliation has been considered appropriate. This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origin--war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins, war by ambush instead of by combat; by infiltration, instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him. It is a form of warfare uniquely adapted to what has been strangely called 'wars of liberation,' to undermine the efforts of new and poor countries to maintain the freedom that they have finally achieved. It preys on economic unrest and ethnic conflicts. It requires in those situations where we must counter it, and these are the kinds of challenges that will be before us in the next decade if freedom is to be saved, a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training."-President Kennedy's Address at Graduation Exercises of the U.S. Military Academy, 1962
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"The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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"Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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Quote:For a guy that religiously comes onto WAFF to post anti-American and anti-Israeli garbage, I wouldn't try and make a pass at Oakridges abilities with the ladies.
Also, for a guy that is so fanatical in his devotion in total hate of the two states, I find it hard to see you having any chance with the ladies yourself.
Just count how many threads you start compared to Oakridge... You might just wake up and smell the coffee.
The Zionist Bozo, good morning!!!! I guess my anti American and anti zionist does serve its purpose after all, you seem in pain. A pad on my back indeed!
As for Oak Ridge, well, what can I say really? If he needs a Bozo Zionist like you to take care of him then he is in worse shape than I thought!
As for my skills, well, I guess you don't know how talented Iranians are. We can hammer the Zionists, Zionist bozos or zionist-wanta-be's, take care of our women, post in WAFF, take care of the lawn and drive too! I suggest you find yourself an Iranian boyfriend, that closeness will help you understand Iranian talents sooner than you think!!!! I promise!
Go smell my coffee now!!!!!
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Coward: Is one who takes on weak and claims victory.
There is no nation in the human history that has killed the greatest number of people ,directly or by proxy, in the name of freedom and Democracy but the US of America! Needless to say the vast majority were/are civilians!
With that, US and Israeli defence forces are historic cowards!
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China, UK, France also have at least 200 each to their name, ok they wont attack because whats the point right? but still a threat in a way. 200 would still strike.
Iran? i doubt.
i dont believe everything i read in the papers or the media, specially on Iraq. I keep an open mind.
good luck with the project anyway.
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China, UK, France also have at least 200 each to their name, ok they wont attack because whats the point right? but still a threat in a way. 200 would still strike.
That's missing the point a bit. Any ABM system doesn't have to shoot down a single missile to be effective - it just has to force the enemy to fire more than one missile at each target to ensure its destruction.
Take the example of France launching a nuke attack on the US. For the strike to be fully effective, the French have to be 100% sure that the highest priority targets - comms nodes, sub bases, HQs - are destroyed. If there is no ABM system, no worries - since missiles have ~95% success rate, each target only needs one, or at most two warheads to be directed at it to ensure its destruction. If you add in the ABM system however, even if it can only shoot down a couple of dozen warheads in total, all of a sudden to ensure any single targets destruction you might have to fire 5-6 warheads at it. Suddenly, without the ABM system firing a single shot, France's 200 nukes can only engage 40-50 targets. That's not bad, 75% attrition of the enemies nuclear forces without firing a shot.
That is the true value of the ABM system.
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The vid for that is pretty cool, considering how fast those two missiles are moving in a big sky its amazing technology to orchestrate an intercept like that.
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Very interesting regarding the intercept vehicles, but would they be capable of taking a meaningful payload such as 1-2000lb of GPS bomb + deliver vehicle from Palermo in (south) Italy to Tabriz (north west) Iran, a distance of 2867km (1781 miles) or better? Im guessing the guided interceptors dont weigh all that much...
(1) Well, we can easily analyze this. The data for all the stages in the OBV is publicly available as they are also used in the Orion/Pegasus space launch vehicles. My conclusion is that with a 2000 lb (908kg) payload, the OBV is an ICBM with a 12,000+ km range. Hence it can easily carry a heavier payload (4000~5000 lbs) as an IRBM. Heh... this is NOT a Scud.
(2) The OBV consists of three stages. Orion 50SXLG + Orion 50S + Orion 38. The data for them are as follows:-
(a) Orion 50-SXLG: Gross Mass: 14,020 kg (30,900 lb). Empty Mass: 1,868 kg (4,118 lb). Thrust (vac): 484.909 kN (109 012 lbf). Burn time: 72 sec. IpSec(vac): 294 sec. IpSec(sl): 180 sec. Avg IpSec: 237 sec.
(b) Orion 50-S: Gross Mass: 3,370 kg (7,420 lb). Empty Mass: 345 kg (760 lb). Thrust (vac): 118.199 kN (26 572 lbf). Burn time: 73 sec. IpSec(vac): 292 sec. IpSec(sl): 240 sec. Avg IpSec: 266 sec.
(c) Orion 38: Gross Mass: 985 kg (2,171 lb). Empty Mass: 203 kg (447 lb). Thrust (vac): 34.568 kN (7 771 lbf). Burn time: 65 sec. IpSec (vac): 293 sec.
(3) Running the numbers and using a 0.85 correction factor for ascent drag loss, we get the following:-
As you can see, with a 2,000 lbs (908kg) payload, the corrected Delta V is 5165 meters per second (18,594 km/h). That's Mach 17.5 -- fully ICBM speed and corresponding to a ballistic range of ~12,000km. FYI, the 475 kiloton W88 MIRV used on the Trident IID5 is "only" ~360 kilograms.
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China, UK, France also have at least 200 each to their name, ok they wont attack because
whats the point right? but still a threat in a way. 200 would still strike.
Iran? i doubt.
i dont believe everything i read in the papers or the media, specially on Iraq. I keep an open mind.
good luck with the project anyway.
BritishEmpire, these things intercept warheads busses or missiles, not individual warheads. China has 50 missiles, UK 58 (16 of which are in the USA), France 58 or 64 IIRC. However, the US only has something like 16 interceptors, and they need at least 2 against every nuclear missile incoming, to be 99.99% sure it will be intercepted!
The US also has SM3 sea launched interceptors, however, they aren't much use against China/Russia with ICBM's as they will most likely be out of the SM3 engagement zone by the time they are over the sea, it would also be very difficult to position a ship such that it is in the path of the ICBM when the missile could come from anywhere in these countries! SM3's could in theory be used against SLBM's such as Trident or M51, but the last thing a destroyer would want to do is try playing games with a nuclear powered submarine, as the SSBN can see the destroyer before it gets itself into the SM3 engagement zone (sonar and stealth advantage are so far in the SSBN's favour its stupid), and so then the SSBN can either move (since it has the speed and endurance advantage) or just go sink the destroyer, then launch the missiles in full view of the destroyers crew (by now watching from life rafts).
(1) Well, we can easily analyze this. The data for all the stages in the OBV is publicly available as they are also used in the Orion/Pegasus space launch vehicles. My conclusion is that with a 2000 lb (908kg) payload, the OBV is an ICBM with a 12,000+ km range. Hence it can easily carry a heavier payload (4000~5000 lbs) as an IRBM. Heh... this is NOT a Scud.
Thanks Dwight, some very interesting information there. Would make for serious deterrant if they could accurately dump a pair of say 2000lb cluster munitions over the area of a mobile launcher site, or 3 or 4 1000lb highly accurate munitions to their basing areas/vital facilities.
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Well, they are actually planning something along those lines. It's called the Tactical Trident and based on the Trident SLBM. Basically, replaces the 8 W88 MIRVs with bundleds of tungsten darts. There is no explosive fill, destruction is achieved by thousands of Mach 10+ darts raining down of a small area.
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The Zionist Bozo, good morning!!!! I guess my anti American and anti zionist does serve its purpose after all, you seem in pain. A pad on my back indeed!
As for Oak Ridge, well, what can I say really? If he needs a Bozo Zionist like you to take care of him then he is in worse shape than I thought!
As for my skills, well, I guess you don't know how talented Iranians are. We can hammer the Zionists, Zionist bozos or zionist-wanta-be's, take care of our women, post in WAFF, take care of the lawn and drive too! I suggest you find yourself an Iranian boyfriend, that closeness will help you understand Iranian talents sooner than you think!!!! I promise!
Go smell my coffee now!!!!!
Ok, So i'm a Zionist for going against your rhetoric? Where did I post my support of Israel... till you find me that post, I'll gladly accept you are a lost Iranian living in the West (we all know you do) thta finds more cause in fighting for Iraqi's then freeing your own oppressed peoples... clearly sad state.
So wait, let me get this straight... YOU can post and do all that other stuff (regardless of the fact you post 5 times as many articles as Oakridge), but Oakridge can't, because he isn't Iranian? Very nice racial superiority touch there boy-o.
And on your remarks that I'm homosexual, I'm flattered, but I do not exactly see you as a good thing for me. I quite like the opposite sex... Being Polish, our women aren't as hairy or so 'covered' up as yours... so I'll stick to 'my' women...
And if pointing out the fact you make a complete idiot out yourself is striking a nerve... give yourself a pat on your back, my overly intellectual Iranian friend... for you sir, are a retard.
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