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Sweden was actually offered peace by Tsar Peter in 1707 but Charles XII said no partly out of stubborness but mostly because he didn`t trust the scheming tsar Peter and because the russians in the offer didn`t include leaving swedish territory at the site where St Petersburg was being built by the russians




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Belongs to the Historical & Current Conflicts Forum.
Don't you think posting this here is a little inappropriate?

Anyway ill let either one of the Mike's and the other Admins decide on this one

At narva 10 000 Swedes defeated an army of atleast 35-40 000 russians 15 000 of whom where killed to be compared with the swedish losses of 667


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Not 10.000 only around 6.000 men where there to fight against the Russians, the others was still moving to battlefront Narva.

You could say the spearhead that broke through and determined the outcome included even less troops



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I wonder it there are any good statistical work on russian losses during the Great Norther War ?

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Check out regimet day books! or runeberg.

Of those Russian killed in Narva battle, most died while escaping over river Narva.

I have an original print concerning this battle; The print is from 1709 and details the layout of the fort.. as well as other things in the style of the day.

Just for your viewing pleasure I will scan it, and display it on this page. I bought it in an antique store (antique maps/books/early prints etc) in Helsinki a few years ago in excellent condition.

It is all in Latin btw.

-- Dee

Well I mean the total russian losses of the entire campaign from the russian attack of 1700 to the Peace of Nystad in 1721




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I would not take any casualty info from wiki since I dot think its even close.

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“Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will live to bury you in your grave!” Nikita Khrushchev

The naval war is very interesting alot of battles ended up with hald the russian galley fleet sunk.
In their first battle against us they had 100 gallays against 2 frigates and although they won hald of their ships where gone and the rest was in tatters, also the swedish captains blew up their own ships rather then let them fall into russian hands.


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Your comparing frigates and ships of line to galleys, the number of guns on the Swedish ships severely outnumbered what the Russian galleys had. And the good Swedish ships were often captured, thats how we got our hands on the frigates.

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The russians used galleyes because they had just gotten access to a coastal strip that would become S:t Petersburg so they needed to build ships that where easy to produce. The russians couldn't challenge the swedish navy's control of the in the open sea during the war so they had to stick close to the web of islands along the coasts.


On a sidenote, the galleys where built under greek shipbuilders and where little different from the ones used 2000 years earlier.


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"On a sidenote, the galleys where built under greek shipbuilders and where little different from the ones used 2000 years earlier."

A close copy of an Xebec,who had a big gun and some smaller for boarding the foes ship, specially in narrow sounds it was quiet exellent,some years after this war started , Sweden built its own Xebec´s.



And under USA libety war, some of these Xebec´s did wounders against Brittish fleet, also Pirates best friend.

Swedens greatest naval victory was to happen ironicly under Gustav III the theater king



Svensksund II


"Slaget vid Svensksund den 9 juli 1790 är Sveriges största marina seger någonsin. Gustav III hade återsamlat skärgårdsflottan efter "Viborgska gatloppet" i Svensksund utanför Kotka i Finland. Örlogsflottan gick till Sveaborg där den kom att bevakas av den ryska örlogsflottan.

Den 5 juli var fartygen i skärgårdsflottan på plats i Svensksund. Kungen ville ta upp striden igen men många officerare var mot detta. Överstelöjtnant Carl Olof Cronstedt som anlänt med sin pommerska eskader stöttade kungen kraftigt. På morgonen inför slaget byttes flaggkaptenen överste George de Frese, som var emot fortsatta strider, ut mot Cronstedt.

Den ryska flottan leddes av den tyske prinsen Karl av Nassau-Siegen. Efter en lång rodd var han framme vid Svensksund den 9 juli. Hans besättningar var trötta men han samlade sin flotta till anfall. Den 9 juli var den ryska kejsarinnans kröningsdag och flottan ville hylla Katarina II på hennes stora dag med en seger över svenskarna.

Den ryska styrkan bestod av 32 större och 206 mindre fartyg och ca: 14 000 man. Ombord fanns 1 200 kanoner. Svenskarna hade något färre fartyg, drygt 200, 1 000 kanoner och 12 500 man. Ryssarna var överlägsna i artilleri.

Den svenska flottan låg i stridslinje i vinkel mellan Mussalö och Kutsalö. Därmed kunde fienden beskjutas från två håll. Svenskarna hade dessutom monterat upp batterier på de närliggande öarna. "

So the russians had 32 large and 206 smaller ships with 14 000 men and 12 000 cannons while the swedes had 200 ships of different sizes most of them small ofcourse, 1000 cannons and 12 500 men

the russians lost 60 ships and the swedes 6

a loss ratio of 10 to 1




East of Kotka, in Ruotsinsalmi was fought the greatest battle in the maritime history of the Baltic Sea in 1790 between the navies of Sweden (including those days Finland) and Russia. Nearly 500 vessels took part in the battle. After the gunpowder smoke had cleared the Swedish-Finnish flotilla with King Gustavus III in charge witnessed the annihilation of 60 Russian vessels and saw the adversary retreat. The casualties sustained on this side were six vessels lost. More than 3000 soldiers were killed in the battle. The dead Russian soldiers from the frigate Nicholai were buried by the side of the Orthodox church. Pieces of the vessel are on view in Kotka regional museum. The Russians fortified Ruotsinsalmi at the end of the 1790's. The English demolished the constructions in the turmoil of the Crimean War in 1855. These days the narrow fairway going through the strait bustles with trading ship traffic.






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@magnus4 take the English version?

And this makes things clearer = Den ryska flottan leddes av den tyske prinsen Karl av Nassau-Siegen.

The Russian Navy comander Prince Charles of Nassau-Siegen, hardly and barly a NAVY-MAN! ? so nobless oblige, allways,even if they are incapable to do anyting.

Sorry to say, we had the same sort of comanders too.

Sea Battles at Svensksund 1 lost 1 won.

but the second battle was larger




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Yeah,first a Russian blockade, and then run? LoL.

BTW uouer post, its about Great Nordic War, not G 3 war on Russia.

Or the Hatts war eiter,so dont spread several wars in to one, please.

Czar Peter The Great, the Czar who made Mother Russia a Superpower...


To ouer dead comrades in arms, we salute you!

Armfeldts death march from Tronheim (Norway) to Sweden 5000 dead.

Question to Russians!

How did Czar Peter 1 The Great die? natural or killed? 52 years old.

Hen killed his own son 1718 Alexej, and had powerstruggles whit his sister Sophia, and dispanded RussianOrtodoxChurch from the state for a time, ended 1721, must have enemys he too.

Charles XII got a bullet in his head 30 november 1718,instantly dead 36 years old, killed by Swedes? or Norwegian defenders, in Fredrikstens fortress.
Dead Charles XII going home.

The Federal Reserve Scam!

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