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RUSSIA... KICKS USA OUT.... From Its Traditional Arms Markets: WOW!!!

May 17 2008 at 10:47 AM
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RUSSIA... KICKS USA OUT.... From Its Traditional Arms Markets: WOW!!!

16.05.2008 Source: Pravda.Ru
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/105239-1/


Russia forces the USA out from the traditional arms market. Russia has won a 4-billion-dollar contract with Saudi Arabia in a competition with the USA and France. This achievement of the Russian defense complex can be explained by both the high quality of the national military hardware defense equipment and the blunders of its Western competitors. However, Russia should not rest on its laurels: the current state of the nation’s defense industry is not good enough. It is not ruled out that the contract with Saudi Arabia may repeat the unfortunate fate of MiG supplies to Algeria.


Russia has entered the market area which has traditionally been under the USA’s control. In this case it goes about Saudi Arabia. Rumors of Russia’s intention to sign a multi-billion-dollar contract with the country appeared in November of 2007 when then-President Vladimir Putin met with the Saudi Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud. On the eve of the meeting Putin toured Arab states, and visited Arab capital Riyadh where none of Russian and Soviet leaders had been before.

The West considered it a newspaper hoax, because Saudi Arabia was totally dependant on arms supplies from the West – presumably from the USA. More importantly, the country has not voiced a desire to change the supplier. However, Russia and Saudi Arabia preferred not to reveal details of their talks on the contract, which continued for about six months.

Now it is known that the contract is evaluated at four billion dollars. The Saudi king got interested in the wide range of Russia’s defense equipment: from aircraft and armored vehicles and missile complexes. It became known that a half of the contract accounts for 100 Mil helicopters (mainly, Mi-17 and Mi-35). Half a billion dollars accounts for 150 T-90C tanks. The contract also includes 20 middle-haul air defense systems Buk-M2E and several hundreds of BMP-3 infantry combat vehicles.

Why did Riyadh prefer Russia to the USA in terms of the military hardware? Saudi Arabia has been under strong influence of the USA and the UK for decades. It was caused by the struggle between the USSR and the West for influence areas, including the Middle East. Saudi kings saw a threat to their power from the USSR that tried to develop socialist regimes in Arab states. The state of affairs is different now. The Soviet Union broke up, which gave Saudi Arabia an opportunity to negotiate and cooperate with Russia.

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It is worthy of note that Russian weapons have been attractive to foreign buyers from the point of view of price and quality combination. Russia used to make arms shipments to other Gulf States such as the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait before. Experts say that Russian military vehicles showed better technical qualities than their Western analogues, which made Saudi Arabia evince great interest in Russian products.




However, the better quality of Russia’s defense equipment in comparison with US analogues was demonstrated during the 1991 Operation Desert Storm. At that time most countries, including those possessing Soviet arms, joined the anti-Iraqi coalition. Syrian T-72 tanks successfully covered longer distances than USA Abrams tanks that broke down because of overheating and sand. That is only one of such episodes.

It is clear that such incidents did not make US arms more authoritative. In addition, last year the US Senate deprecated the deal with Saudi Arabia, according to which it was to obtain a set of high-precision bombs. The US administration believed that the bombs could fall into terrorists’ hands. Thus, Riyadh tried to find another supplier. They arranged the supply of helicopters and tanks with the French, but France demanded to extend the contract and to include Navy ships in it. However, Saudi Arabia did not like such impudence and apparently decided to punish France by signing a contract with Russia.

The contract evidences Russia’s success, but now the USA has nothing to worry about. Russia’s deal with Saudi Arabia is just a pinprick to them. For the time being, the Russian defense industry is a goose that lays golden eggs, but they are of poor quality. Russia should not forget that Saudi Arabia will not stand such treatment and in case of malfunction it will come back to the USA.

It is important for Russia at this juncture to save the reputation of a credible supplier. Urgent measures are necessary to improve the state of the Russian defense industry. In fact, it is the only branch of Russia’s industry that produces competitive goods on the world market. Young people do not want to engage in the defense industry because of low salaries.

Sergei Balmasov
Pravda.ru

Translated by Julia Bulygina
Pravda.ru

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May 17 2008, 11:27 AM 

I think they should also purchase S-300 to go together with their Patriots like Greece, Kornet AT missiles and Smerch MRLS

 
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May 17 2008, 2:23 PM 

Its not unimaginable that if Saudies are pleased with Russian weapon mutch larger orders will be ordered ... and some other Midle East countries could easily follow same example ... cheap in compariso but equally deadly weapos if not even more ... what more can a hart desire ??

 
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May 17 2008, 3:28 PM 

Exactly , every country choose itself what to buy to best suit its purpose and enviroment , its not like Russia is a Evil Empire or something.

 
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May 17 2008, 7:37 PM 

Russia's learning this whole, Free Market economy thing pretty well.

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May 21 2008, 4:19 AM 


Russian weapon sold for $7 bln



Actuality January 12, 2008

The first Vice Prime Minister of Russian Federation (RF) Sergey Ivanov declared that according to 2007 results the Russian weapon export would attain the next record, exceeding $7bln. Thus, Russia received about $1 bln less because of problems with ship building and cooling relations with Algeria. For seven years, within which the former head of Rosoboronexport Federal State Unitary Enterprise (FSUE) and now director general of Rostecnology public corporation Sergey Chemezov was engaged in weapon export, the sales volume grew twice.

According to Mr. Ivanov, "in the current year there are all grounds to talk about crossing $7 bln mark". It is a record: in 2006 the Russian weapon was sold for $6,5 bln. Growth of weapon export became the result of large contracts concluded in 2004-2006. The situation in the world favored their conclusion, when on the background of the USA operations in Afghanistan and Iraq some moslem countries began to carry out the mass purchases of military equipment in Russia, perceiving it as if not the enemy of America, but at least as the competitor. At the same time, Russian defensive industry on export contracts gradually went out from the crisis of the 90th, that allowed beginning large serial deliveries from 2006-2007.

The main volume of concluded contracts fell to the stake of created in November, 2000 public intermediary - FSUE Rosoboronexport (producers and developers of armaments are now allowed to export only repair parts independently, and also to conduct repair and modernization of the installed technique). At first, Rosoboronexport director general was Andrey Belyaninov, but the main work on preparation of the largest contracts conducted his first deputy Sergey Chemezov. And in April, 2004 he headed the company. The old acquaintance of Mr. Chemezov with Vladimir Putin contributed to the more active state support of export projects of the Russian armorers. On November, 26 Mr. Chemezov headed Rostecnology public corporation, which joined Rosoboronexport. Thus, for seven years of Sergey Chemezov work in Rosoboronexport the sales volume of the Russian weapon grew from $3,68 bln (in 2000) up to more than $7 bln.

In Rosoboronexport they did not comment the statement of Mr. Ivanov. According to the head of Federal Service of Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) Mikhail Dmitriev, the aviation technique continues to be in the most demand: Su and MiG airplanes, Mi helicopters. Indeed, this year Russia supplies about 70 Su-30 fighters to India, Algeria, Venezuela, Malaysia to the sum about $3 bln. "This year became the record one for us", declared Oleg Demchenko, the president of the Irkut corporation. "Irkutsk plant will assemble 43 fighters Su-30MKI, Su-30MKM and Su-30MKI(A) by the year end. We did not assemble so much even in the soviet years". In 2007 large deliveries were executed in the Air Defense field. At the beginning of the year Mr. Ivanov again officially declared about contract execution with Iran on the short-range complexes "Tor-M1". In addition, continued contract execution on supplies of long-range systems S-300PMU to China.

Execution of the planned deliveries in naval armaments has failed. In September the Indian fleet representatives reported that the lease transfer of nuclear-power submarine Chakra of project 971 Schuka-B, planned for August, 15, is postponed till June, 15, 2008, as the Amur shipbuilding plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur detains its building for ten months. Russia insisted on the increase of the contract cost from $650 mln to $785 mln. India agreed on the postponement, but refused to reconsider the price.

Execution of some contracts with Algeria was stopped, agreements included in the package for $8 bln, signed in March, 2006 during Vladimir Putin visit to this country. Initiative to freeze the already agreed purchase of the Russian weapon belongs to Algeria authorities. Relations cooling, apparently, was caused by both domestic political situation in Algeria and sudden activation on African direction of France.

In a short-term perspective it is possible to expect further volumes´ growth of military equipment supplies from Russia. Portfolio growth of weapon exporters’ orders testifies it. In February Mr. Dmitriev declared, that it totals $30 bln, from which "about $20 bln falls to Rosoboronexport stake", and that allows the Russian export to remain at the level of 2007 the next two-three years. The FSVTS head reported: "The present portfolio volume of export orders of Military-Technical Cooperation subjects - over $32bln - allows quite optimistically to look at collaboration perspectives in military-technical sphere. The basic reserve is created by Rosoboronexport, in its asset the orders portfolio totals $24 bln". It is expected that in 2008 aviation deliveries will prevail in export also - fighters Su and MiG to India, Venezuela, Indonesia, Syria. Supplies of air defense systems are also planned to China and Syria, warships to Vietnam, submarines to India and Algeria.

However, experts do not eliminate decline of the Russian weapon deliveries in three-four years. "With the output of $7 bln we face some "plateau". Our export will stay at this level at least the nearest three-four years, if the existent international state of affairs remains", declared Ruslan Pukhov, the director of Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies. "However, dramatic falling can expect this "plateau" then. In expert opinion, Russian defensive industry experiences the staff hunger, especially for highly skilled workers. At the same time inflation in defensive industry substantially exceeds the general level over the country: if in 2007 inflation in Russia makes up about 12%, in the military industrial complex it exceeds 20%. Moreover, in Mr. Pukhov opinion, in defensive industry rapidly grow overhead costs because of non-use of energy conservation technologies. As a result, Russia can not produce part of armaments at all, and others can occur noncompetitive in price.

http://b-ru.com/economics/general/russian-weapon-sold-7-bln/

 
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May 21 2008, 1:57 PM 

There is nothing wrong with the performance or battle specs of Russian weapons, It has been said countless times that the Russians lead the way in SAM systems, Ship building and submarines and their front line next generation fighters and small weapons!

The world is learning quick that they buy quality, cost effectiveness and value when purchasing from the Russians.


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May 21 2008, 2:31 PM 

I love the comparrisson between the T72 and M1 not a whitewash and manipulation of facts at all.
The T72's main problem was that it could not kill an M1 frontally, also it might be able to get farther with it's bigger gun but it says nothing about hitting.

Although if this is the kind of sources you have it explains a few wierd opinions of yours, hence they wheren't character flaws

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May 22 2008, 11:23 PM 

The Saudis are buying Russian weapons as a way of telling Washington that they are displeased with Washington's Middle East policies. Telling Washington in a language Washington understands -money!

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May 22 2008, 11:52 PM 

They are buying Russian weapons because they are a better deal, Putin took of 50% off our price tags, American defense companies cant compete.

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May 23 2008, 12:01 AM 

"They are buying Russian weapons because they are a better deal, Putin took of 50% off our price tags, American defense companies cant compete."

yep, and the lack of technology excelence in it means Russian weapons are cheap!

pravda is a nationalist fanboyism paper, saudies are talking to lot of ppl, it doesn't mean they get deals!

remember of that fact

 
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