Lo there do I see my father.
Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever.
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Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever.
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Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever.
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Lo there do I see my father.
Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever.
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Lo there do I see my father.
Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever.
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Lo there do I see my father.
Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever.
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The United States is almost 232 years old, the world’s greatest and oldest experiment in freedom and democracy.
In that short history, Americans have paid for that freedom — and increasingly over the past century, for the freedom of untold others — in the blood and noble sacrifice of those who heard the call to service and gave their lives to the cause.
Some 4,435 died for their new country in the American Revolution.
2,260 in the War of 1812.
13,283 in the Mexican War.
529,511 — probably more, but records are incomplete — in the American Civil War.
2,446 in the Spanish-American War.
116,516 in World War I.
405,399 in World War II.
36,574 in the Korean War.
58,209 in the Vietnam War.
19 in Grenada for Operation Urgent Fury.
383 in the Persian Gulf War.
23 in Panama for Operation Just Cause.
43 in Somalia for Operation Restore Hope.
496 in Operation Enduring Freedom and 4,069 in Operation Iraqi Freedom — and counting.
That’s 1,173,666 in all.
Hundreds, perhaps thousands, more have died in service to our country on virtually every continent on the globe in conflicts we either don’t recall or won’t acknowledge.
This Memorial Day, take a moment to remember them.
********************************************* PAX ... AMERICANUS ... INFINITUM
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I just don't understand some of the pictures he chose, like the one with the sparkles. Congrats, you confused me, and I am modest enough to admit that happens rarely.
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Well, you want me to stick to the usual anti-US bashing?
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Sorry mate i'm not that kind and am also an ex-serviceman.
Makes me twice less of an idiot than some according to NATO standards.
These pics are direct from HOME = USA. No wonder you're surprised.
Enjoy anyway!
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Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
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Re:Well, you want me to stick to the usual anti-US bashing?
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No, No, I was just surprised with all the sparkles.
Are you sure your home is America, mate? I've only ever heard Australians, Britons, or Kiwis use that.
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Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever.
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Not in Europe!. But we all know that, it's their Celebration day, let's be cool!.
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Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
they bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla,
where the brave may live forever.
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@FuelFraction, touche, I merely copied and pasted that article from somewhere else. Do you really think I could remember all of those numbers from the top of my head?
True, Greece was the first democracy, it was more of a tyranny by the majority sort of thing.. The US if actually a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Whereas Greece focused on the votes of the people, the US focuses on the rights of the individual.
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We could have twice as many parties
Twice as much fun
Twice as many days off from the mon-fri week
Ex.:Memorial2 Day
Anti-Tax day
Taxes are over day
Its almost summer day
Holidays are awesome-Day
The list goes on and on...
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So how old does it have to be before ceasing to be an experiment?
I would have to say, totally literally and without malice, that all forms of civilization and government are "experiments" given to their circumstances. Total Communism could exist for centuries within the confines of a given people and situation. Anarchism could thrive in the opposite situation for a similar time.
The great Thomas Jefferson believed that each generation of the populace might well redefine government and society in their own right and thus was mildly against a Constitution that bricked-in the future. He was counteracted by the likes of Franklin, Adams, Madison, etc who said that firming the individual's rights up front in a solid declaration was best for them to determine future events and limit the government upon the peoples' desires.
Plato's envisioning of a solid state headed by a benevolent dictator would seem to be the perfect experiment in population and government but while many through the years have hoped and strived to be this......it has yet to happen.
All experiments....tests.....proven through time.....
Two sides to every coin....
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Since this topic was getting off-topic, that is no longer praising every aspect of America imaginable and exalting its righteous superiority over the ne'er do well foreigners, I decided to include this. I just bumped into this while browsing through you tube.
And this:
Can't forget this of course:
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world’s greatest and oldest experiment in freedom and democracy
Second oldest. Poland-Lithuania was the first Democratic experiment (since the Greeks), it failed, but then again many Poles fought for America's freedom because of these same ideals.
Either way, I hope all Americans have a heart felt memorial day.
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
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Quote:Well I don't know who is second oldest, but yes, probably not the UK but some ancient state.
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Lo there do I see my mother.
Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
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I agree with Thunder. Despite all the b1tching against America worldwide, many of us appreciate the good things you have done to further the causes of democracy and humanity.
God Bless.
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Second oldest. Poland-Lithuania was the first Democratic experiment (since the Greeks), it failed, but then again many Poles fought for America's freedom because of these same ideals.
If you count that, then the US is at best third. Americans thinking they are the first democracy annoys me slightly, there have been quite a few states which can claim being democracies beforehand.
Anyway, as a Brit I have nothing to thank the US for.
As a German I thank the US (and the UK, but not Russia (too many rapes and murders)) for liberating my country from the Nazis.
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Anyway, as a Brit I have nothing to thank the US for.
Other then both world wars I presume
As a German I thank the US (and the UK, but not Russia (too many rapes and murders)) for liberating my country from the Nazis.
I dare say, dear sir, the Germans started it first.
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
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Some 4,435 died for their new country in the American Revolution.**********
RE: only to free your selves from (english) and enslave and murder another (indians)... yes very noble
13,283 in the Mexican War.********
RE: to steal thier land.... i.e houston?? yes very noble
529,511 — probably more, but records are incomplete — in the American Civil War.******
RE: more to do with south's rights issue rather than to free blacks... an eye wash
2,446 in the Spanish-American War.****
RE: a war which u started to (by sinking your own war ship) to capture cuba... very noble indeed
116,516 in World War I.*********
Re: clever deception and treachery by Winston Churchill by loading ammunition on the civilian ship lousiana (despite german warnings that they would attack any ship loaded with ammo). that single incident was the perhaps the breaking point in USA entering the war.. a war which was about triggered due to a series of alliances and power stuggle rather than any thing more "evil"
but y guys were sucked into it.... no noble cause there
36,574 in the Korean War.*********
RE: ok one noble war
58,209 in the Vietnam War.*********||
RE: yes faking the the gulf of Tonkin incident with imaginery vietnamise gun boats ... yes very noble
19 in Grenada for Operation Urgent Fury.*********
RE: again another imperial action
383 in the Persian Gulf War.******
Re: dont fool your selves u went for oil and nothing else...
23 in Panama for Operation Just Cause.********
RE: hahha hahahha wast Noreiga on CIA payroll???.... what a joke
43 in Somalia for Operation Restore Hope.****
RE: only for the camera just put on goodie goodie face.. no honest intentions there
496 in Operation Enduring Freedom and 4,069 in Operation Iraqi Freedom — and counting.****
RE: even by now the die hard fans of u guys know that u came to steal and subjugate iraq..
so no war ever faught for freedom..... to bad US history books like any quality analysis... it is mainly nonsense to fool them selves...
u guys need a reality check.. the bad guys r u
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8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.
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They SAVED your punny @SSES from the Germans, TROLL!
Churchill went himself to BEG for the USA assistance, your families were starving and your proud RN loosing the war to Doenitz U-Boats!!!
How STUPID can one single individual be really!!!
NOW, FAT BLOB, FCUK-OFF TO ANOTHER TOPIC IF YOU GOT NO INTELLIGENT THING TO SAY!!!
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Lo there do I see my brothers and my sisters.
Lo there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me;
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You have no case for WW1 whatsoever. In WW2 you have no real case, joining the war was in the USA's own interest and Britain had already made itself uninvadeable without the US. But you are right I will thank the US, I met a nice couple from California just now on the train, I will thank them for being such friendly people.
I dare say, dear sir, the Germans started it first.
I don't deny that, but I do not expect the Russians to thank Germany for the crimes German soldiers committed. And I won't thank Russia for committing crimes. Crimes are crimes, no matter who did them.
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With respect, Rob, there is a case to be made for World War II.
The British were losing the Battle of the North Atlantic well into 1943. It was won by US production of merchant shipping to replace the losses and allow the British to recover and begin the build up to Overlord. The Battle of the North Atlantic was probably the finest example during the war of US and British cooperation. A serious case can be made that the German Blockade of the British Isles might well have succeeded absent US contributions.
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John Keegan and Liddle heart, in their works on WWII, claimed that the British economy would have collapsed by late 1941 without American aid. Further, without American equipment and supplies, the UK would have been pushed out of the middle east by Germany, thereby losing their oil deposits and main supply line through the Suez canal.
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<<In WW2 you have no real case, joining the war was in the USA's own interest and Britain had already made itself uninvadeable without the US>>
Rob ,this is the funniest statement I have ever seen coming from you..Without the US and the vital Atlantic Convoys that kept your island alive ,Britain would have starved to death.. This is a common knowledge..On the other hand, the war was in the USA's own interest. You are absolutely right. Every nation fights wars in her own interest. A victorious Hitler Germany in Europe and the Japanese Empire in the Pacific would have presented greater danger than STALIN in the long term.
But come on, without the USA, Britains own resources would not have lasted very long against HITLER's war machine.
Remember,even the mighty Bismark was sent to the bottom of the Atlantic with American assistance and that was before America entered the war!! Sorry ,for the first time I go with Sampaix on this one ..
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The British were losing the Battle of the North Atlantic well into 1943. It was won by US production of merchant shipping to replace the losses and allow the British to recover and begin the build up to Overlord. The Battle of the North Atlantic was probably the finest example during the war of US and British cooperation. A serious case can be made that the German Blockade of the British Isles might well have succeeded absent US contributions.
Or Enigma being broken (British/Polish code breakers) for that matter. I'm not claiming America wasn't important, I'm claiming that Britain has noone to thank because the US did not do this for sheer friendliness and wasn't pivotal in survival, it was in beating Germany however (which is not what I'm claiming).
I think Canada could have provided enough for the UK to stay independent, perhaps not enough to beat Germany but certainly enough to keep the UK uninvadeable. A peace deal (a crude one but still a peace deal) was on the table as early as 1940 after France's surrender. Add the victory of the RAF and the UK, in late 1940 could have had an okay peace deal with Germany. I'mj not saying I would have been in favour (far from it), but I think that provides a good basis for what I'm claiming.
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Remember,even the mighty Bismark was sent to the bottom of the Atlantic with American assistance and that was before America entered the war!! Sorry ,for the first time I go with Sampaix on this one ..
You mean the air observer who spotted her again? You do realize that guy would just have been replaced by a Brit? Other than that I seriously don't know of anything else. By the way it's Bismarck.
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The Brits should be on their knees thanking the Soviets for resisting Barbarosa, without that the British would be waiving the Nazi flag by the end of 1941.
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The Brits should be on their knees thanking the Soviets for resisting Barbarosa, without that the British would be waiving the Nazi flag by the end of 1941.
You mean Barbarossa, August 1941, a time when Hitler had given up on UK invasion plans because the Kriegsmarine said it was impossible and (and iirc I quote) a suicide?
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Impossible my as-, the Brits were lucky to hold out for 6 months at best. Hitler brought the UK to its knees to a point where they were completly incopetent of harming the German homeland, therefore instead of finishing that off he transfered millions of men, thousands of aircraft and tons of supplies to the Eastern front. You have USSR to thank for staying and fighting, unlike your other neighbors to the South.
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Impossible my as-, the Brits were lucky to hold out for 6 months at best. Hitler brought the UK to its knees to a point where they were completly incopetent of harming the German homeland, therefore instead of finishing that off he transfered millions of men, thousands of aircraft and tons of supplies to the Eastern front. You have USSR to thank for staying and fighting, unlike your other neighbors to the South.
He tried to kill it off.... and failed. You can't deny what the German navy said in its memos to Hitler. They said it was impossible. The German forces were just not geared for amphibious invasions. The Navy was much too small (it would have been crushed by the RN - hence "suicidal"), the Luftwaffe hadn't managed to beat the RAF (and UK fighter production outpaced Germany's from mid 1940), the German Army was much stronger, but..... the Germans must have realized that the UK is an island and that men on the southern side of the channel can't fight men on the northern side.
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You mean the air observer who spotted her again? You do realize that guy would just have been replaced by a Brit? Other than that I seriously don't know of anything else. By the way it's Bismarck
No I didn't mean Leonard 'TUCK' Smith I was referring to the plane that was provided by the USA capable of flying 27 hours without refuelling..
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Ohm, since when does a normal commercial sale count as some kind of assistance, the Catalinas were bought well before the US entered the war and was not part of lend-lease, it was a normal purchase.
By the way, the Catalina had a smaller range than the Lancaster.
With the same kind of logic I could claim the UK was responsible for a huge amount of USAF victories as the R-R Merlin engine powered huge amounts of P51s.
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With the same kind of logic I could claim the UK was responsible for a huge amount of USAF victories as the R-R Merlin engine powered huge amounts of P51s.
Yes, they can. The British and Americans cooperated very well together and the Packard built RR Merlins were superb. The British have every reason to be proud of their courage, perseverance and sacrifice in defeating Nazi Germany. That doesn't change the fact that without US assistance Britain would have been in real jeopardy even absent a German invasion. I've already mentioned the Battle of the Atlantic and frankly, your lame response about Canada notwithstanding, you certainly have failed to refute that claim.
50 destroyers were exchanged for leases on bases when Britain was desperate for more escort vessels. After December 1940, Britain could no longer pay for supplies so payment was "deferred."
During the war the US gave the RN the following: American Lend-Lease supplied 38 escort aircraft carriers, 107 frigates, 22 corvettes and 37 minesweepers, of which 8 frigates, 7 corvettes and 15 minesweepers were built in Canada. These were all new built. In addition to the 50 older destroyers, 9 submarines and 9 Coast guard cutters; these and one new escort carrier were supplied before the US entered the war. http://www.ww2pacific.com/llnames.html
This doesn't include the almost 1,000 merchant ships the US transfered.
You're right, Rob, nothing to than the US for at all.
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Well unless you count the encirclement and deaths of millions of British soldiers something not to thank America for touche.
We all know without America the Western Front was not a place of victory. Russia had collapsed, this transferred thousands of battle hardened veterans to the West and France and Britain did not have the manpower alone to keep fighting. Many a historian would agree, without the American intervention, France would have been hard pressed to hold the line and many more a British soldier would have shed their blood needlessly.
There indeed, is a case, good sir.
Also, about the uninvadable part, that does not mean to say you wouldn't surrender. Had the Soviets crumbled, the US not sent aid and later their men, the British Isle would have been a mere puppet in the face of Hitler. Winning the battle of Britain is one thing, but how do you presume you win without American intervention?
With the industrial output put into ships and planes, eventually the Germans would have caused a surrender, even without landing a single soldier on a beach head.
This is all theories now, but Britain should be thankful for American assistance, after all, it wouldn't have effected the Americans that badly if Europe was under Nazi Oppression, why would it? Most immigrants at that point where from German
Thank you. 
Americans thinking they are the first democracy annoys me slightly, there have been quite a few states which can claim being democracies beforehand.
