er Janes Defense Weekly, the news item about the Pakistani refusal to purchase additional planes has been denied. What is amazing is that the original story was not refuted directly by Pakistan. Why did the Pakistani news media reported the reduction of the number of F-16s that it had planned to order? Pakistan had ordered 36 (18+1 8) F-16s from General Dynamics, USA. After the first 18, Pakistan had the option to buy an additional 18. According the news items planted in the press Pakistan had chosen not to exercise that option. According to press reports, the official “company line” is that the number of planes have been reduced because of financial constraints.
However the timing of the story about the cancellation is curious. Both China and Pakistan have set goals to increase mutual trade to the $15 Bilion mark. In China President Musharraf announced that the goal will be met that the number will be over $16.5 Billion. No business deal had been announced. The F-16 cancellation comes right on the heels of President Musharraf’s visit to China where ostensibly Pakistan has been offered some advanced Chinese hardware. The head of the Chinese Air Force and the Defense Minster of China are in Pakistan right now and the Foreign Minister is arriving in a weeks time. According to new reports Pakistan has been offered the Chinese 4th generation J-11 (comparable F-15 Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon and the U.S. Navy F-18 Hornet.) with eventual transfer of the plane’s production to Pakistan. The J-11 is the latest and most versatile aircraft in the PLAAF.

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Certain Realities.. Pakistan NEVER Ordered 36 Blk52s. Only 18 with an OPTION for 18 more.

Secondly Pakistan cannot afford to field and maintain a Plane in the Category as the Su-27, F-15. Pakistan doesnt have the infrastructure or the money.



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J-11 would be their best option.


"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."

ROFL @ kronic... man you analysis should have some sort of footing.. can u explain in detail how that is not possible for pakistan... .

it is possible to deploy J-11 in pakistan with no question, hell the pakistani pilots are probably flying them right now in china. however j-11 is not in the need for pakistan at the moment not until the tension arises between the two. and for now fc-1 and f-16 should serve fine.

Pakistan has history of being most favourite Chinese customers. As for those who opposed:


Rotate it downward at 360 degree under adult supervision!

I would view the purchase of the J-11B as highly unlikely. It's an expensive, twin engine airplane that has reportedly not fared well against the smaller J-10 during simulated combat.

I have seen multiple sources, however, that confirm that the Pakistani cabinet has authorised the initial purchase of up to 36 J-10 fighters. At roughly half the cost of an F-16, and with similar capabilies, the J-10 would be a logical addition to compliment the F-16 and FC-17 in Pakistani service. The J-11, however, would not be.

When i said Pakistan cannot afford to fly the J-11..its for the same reason the PN could not buy one second hand Spurance class DDG from America. TOO EXPENSIVE.

Secondly the J-10 is nowehere near the capability of the F-16Blk52. Im sorry but thats the truth. I see Pakistan buying 2-3 squadrons of J-10s and retro fitting them with Western Avionics. As per Pakistans threat perception Chinese Avionics simply wont cut it. There primary threat (India) has both a qualitative and quantitative advantage..

However neither the J-10 (nor this crap of the J-11) will ever materialize till the Chinese have already fullfilled their own Production run. The ONLY reason Pakistan has the FC-1 for now is because the PLAAF is simply not interested in it. And the Pakistani Defence Industry IMO does not have the Capacity or Capability to run so many different Production Lines.



R.K. Laxman, India's renowned cartoonist, honours the hardy & humble Indian Jawan

AKA KRONICFEVER

In today's terms, the FC-1/JF-17 is a lightweight fighter, the F-16 and J-10 fall in the middle, and the F-15 and Su-27/J-11 are at the heavy end of the spectrum.

In terms of both range and payload, the J-10 should be comparable to the latest F-16 Block 52. In terms of avionics, of course, China is still coming up the learning curve. I agree that Pakistan would likely retrofit any aircraft that they buy from China with Western avionics.

so are the russian planes, 70% of countries refit the russian and chinese hardwares with western avionics. yet is not tat china and russia are lagging behind the avionics field is the doctrine tat plays the major part where both china and russia are prepare for a total war and able to sustain losses.

one thing indian failed to realize is the "world toy factory"s mighty copying capability.
china could copy paste AESA and PESA in matter of weeks as the ones u already seen on 052C DDG. now is just matter of time before the pakistani got their money and say i want AESA/PESA to be on my j-10...

and j-10 is still a secretive plane there is no radar nor any other specification being released so far yet Pakistan shall be the first country to surprise the world with their j-10.

I heard that the J-10s dogfighting performance was surprisingly substandard and was going to be used as a fighter-bomber instead...however I can't find the source so believe whatever you want instead.
So here's another one but from Strategy Page http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles2006/20061015201536.asp

The quote system is foolproof TEXT

What would YOU put in the best tank thats just not built yet?

Anyone think this is a good idea?

yeah and as the ACM said we will go with the additional 18 F-16's after the first 18 have arrived and also get the FC-20 + we are getting Russian made Refuelling planes from Ukraine and Chinese AWACS will run along the Erieye so its all set to get us in equal terms with Indian if not on a upper side

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>>.yeah and as the ACM said we will go with the additional 18 F-16's after the first 18 have arrived and also get the FC-20 + we are getting Russian made Refuelling planes from Ukraine and Chinese AWACS will run along the Erieye so its all set to get us in equal terms with Indian if not on a upper side<<<

Lol.. Are you an Idiot?

36 Blk52s, 32 MLUs , 36 J-10s and a 150 odd FC-1s and you have suddenly got parity with the Indian AF? lol.. You will always be lagging behind even with Half are AF held in reserve for the Chinese.



R.K. Laxman, India's renowned cartoonist, honours the hardy & humble Indian Jawan

AKA KRONICFEVER

Indian means Chinese make ****ty plane....well in during war with India these ****ty chinese mig19 kick ass Indian front liner...

Quote - John Doe (Login asdfsdf) I heard that the J-10s dogfighting performance was surprisingly substandard and was going to be used as a fighter-bomber instead...however I can't find the source so believe whatever you want instead. So here's another one but from Strategy Page http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles2006/20061015201536.asp

The "strategy page" article REALLY jumping the gun: assuming that just because the Chinese developed the J-10 into a two-seat, air-to-ground platform that it would stand to reason that it must not have performed well as an air-to-air weapon. In reality, it was only natural that China would develop the air-to-ground potential of the J-10, once they had mastered its air-to-air weapons integration. The American F-16 also followed this route. If we followed the logic of "strategy page" we'd have to conclude that the F-16 can't dogfight either.

The reports that have filtered out of China, right or wrong, have all suggested that the J-10 was able to easily out-match China's Su-27s during training maneuvers. Within visual range, the J-10 should give it clear advantage in terms of turn rate, by virtue of its lower wing loading. For an Su-27 pilot unfamiliar with dissimilar air combat, the J-10 is probably more than a handful. Similarly, beyond visual range the larger radar unit of the Su-27 is probably offset by the very large radar signature of that airplane - ensuring that the J-10 and Su-27 achieve a BVR lock-on at about the same time. In my view, the winner of a J-10/Su-27 match-up probably has more to do with pilot training than with the capabilities of the two airplanes. Each has offsetting strengths and weaknesses.

i am sure pakistani air force generals are smarter than u mighty internet warriors, there is a good reason they went for J-10 with existing F-16 in service besides china being a reliable ally.