ISLAMABAD: In a startling operation that shook the Pentagon, the White House and the US administration some weeks back, the Taliban in the tribal areas captured parts of three US helicopters — Chinook, Black Hawk and Cobra — while they were being shipped in huge containers from Peshawar to Jalalabad in Afghanistan.
Pakistani officials have confirmed the capture while the US diplomats stationed in Islamabad are trying to fudge the issue without denying it outright. US embassy spokesperson Elizabeth Colton commented: "The embassy has no comment on this as the information appears to be only hearsay."
When this correspondent informed the embassy spokesperson that he had seen pictures of the stolen parts of helicopters, she again said "no comment". Some diplomats in Islamabad are very much aware of this recent Taliban operation but they were not ready to speak on record.
Diplomatic sources say the recent US air strike in the tribal areas was actually an attack on the location where the unassembled parts of the two helicopters, owned by the US armed forces, were stored by the Taliban.
Sources told The News US Assistant Secretary Richard Boucher was to visit Pakistan and Afghanistan soon in view of the situation in the region. What is shocking is the revelation that the US forces were transporting helicopters in unassembled form in containers, which landed at the Karachi Port and travelled all the way by road to Peshawar and then entered the tribal areas for onward journey to Afghanistan.
When these containers entered the Khyber Agency at Jamrud, the Taliban stopped the convoys and took away the helicopter parts. Pakistani paramilitary forces in the area tried to confront the Taliban but they suffered heavy losses due to darkness. This happened in the same area where Pakistan's Ambassador to Afghanistan Tariq Azizuddin was kidnapped in February this year.
Chinook and Black Hawk were captured recently while the Cobra was hijacked some weeks back. When the Taliban first captured the Cobra helicopter, they filmed all the stolen parts and supplied the CD to their allies in Afghanistan.
Some people in the Farah province of western Afghanistan showed interest in purchasing the Cobra helicopter and subsequently its parts were smuggled to Farah. Taliban sold this Cobra to an unidentified customer for several hundred thousand dollars.
Following the latest ground hijacking, the Taliban have again filmed all the stolen parts of CH-47 Chinook and Black Hawk choppers. Chinook is a versatile twin-engine helicopter that was also used to help the earthquake victims in Kashmir in October 2005 by the US Army.
The Taliban have again sent the CD to people for attracting customers from neighbouring countries of Afghanistan. They do not seem to have hit any customer as the stolen parts with extra engines are still in their custody.
The Taliban captured some unexploded Tomahawk missiles in the Khost area of eastern Afghanistan in 1998. These missiles were fired on al-Qaeda hideouts after attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The Taliban handed over some of the unexploded US missiles to the Chinese in 1998.
Top US military officials have demanded recently from Pakistan to start an operation in the tribal areas for the recovery of their stolen helicopters. They have expressed concern that instead of initiating an operation against the Taliban, the new government is negotiating peace with the Taliban.
Concerned officials in the Foreign Office were of the opinion that the Taliban had increased their attacks in Afghanistan recently due to the incompetence of the Afghan National Army and the Nato forces.
The Taliban used a fuel tanker packed with 1800 kg of explosives a few days ago to break a jail in Kandahar. They got released their 400 comrades along with 1,100 other prisoners in that operation.
On Tuesday, the Taliban captured Arghundab district of Kandahar province. It was also a big blow to the credibility of Nato and the Karzai government but now both of them are trying to divert the international attention by threatening to attack the Pakistani border areas.
The Taliban have recently conducted bloody operations against the Nato forces in Shenwro district of Parwaon province in the north, Taren Kot city of Uruzgan province in the south and Poli Alm city of Logar province close to Kabul.
All these are not close to the Pakistani borders and the Taliban were attacking the Nato with the help of the local population.
It was learnt that the high command of Pakistani security forces has requested the government for permission to respond in a hard-hitting manner to any attack from Afghanistan in future.
Meanwhile, US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher would visit Pakistan and Afghanistan shortly. It is expected that he would try to narrow down the differences between Islamabad and Kabul.
just out of curocity wat will they be thinking to do with it rite now
imagen taliban in some mountin hide out with a masive puzzel
how to put togather a cobra a chinook and a black hawk
and if they succed imagen a taliban with a turban flying a cobra starfing NATO troops
that would be so funny
well they will probabely blow them up or hide it some where
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June 18 2008, 8:23 PM
Darra, forum rules require the posting of a link to the original source of articles posted here. Before you tell me that you did that in your second post, don't. The link you posted was to the theft of helicopter engines, not helicopters. Please bring your post into compliance with forum rules.
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June 18 2008, 8:35 PM
The obvious question to be asked would be....why transport vital military equipment through known hostile/unsecured territory?.....someone's selling but I'm not buying it...proof would be nice.
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June 18 2008, 8:45 PM
Quote:The obvious question to be asked would be....why transport vital military equipment through known hostile/unsecured territory?.....someone's selling but I'm not buying it...proof would be nice.
cost cause of cost and its not as hostile as you think
every bulle every missile every every aircraft that is used by nato in afghanistan passes from these terratory
but looks like taliban tatics have changed now they are hitting supplies
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June 18 2008, 8:49 PM
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June 18 2008, 9:04 PM
Proof, Banner? You want proof? You are such a stickler aren't you?
Get the link, Darra. I want this post to comply with forum rules.
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June 18 2008, 9:34 PM
If true, the Cobra should not be flown, the 20mm gun could serve to be made into several 20mm rifles, its body turned into armor.
the other hellis could be traded on the black market for arms.
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June 18 2008, 9:53 PM
its a chinook and a black hawk they cant possibley get it out of afghanistan with out being traced
its next to impossible
any way few months ago i saw a couple of humvess on a truck that was going to afghanistan
man its pretty and its big
wish i could have one
but wat i am saying here is that all the millitary equipment that end up in afghanistan goes through pakistan
and every one knows it its an open secreat
talioban now havestarted attacking these convoys
this could turn this hard for the americans in afghanistan
if the go for an other route
humm well they dont have any other route
and by air well i guess it wil turn the war ten times as costely as it is now
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June 18 2008, 9:57 PM
Thank you, Darra.
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June 18 2008, 10:20 PM
The Taliban captured some unexploded Tomahawk missiles in the Khost area of eastern Afghanistan in 1998. These missiles were fired on al-Qaeda hideouts after attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The Taliban handed over some of the unexploded US missiles to the Chinese in 1998.
tats intresting
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June 18 2008, 11:04 PM
I highly doubt the taliban can assemble these aircraft, nevermind fly or operate them usefully, best thing to do is to sell them... and I don't know who would be interested in buying these.
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Just goes to show the kind of dump Pakistan is... to allow something like this to happen on its own soil, with it's "mighty military" (LOL!!!)....
That is... if it's even true. Pakistanis here should hope to what ever god they pray to that it's not.. otherwise this would be quite the embarrassment for them, and would clearly explain why their army runs from these insurgents..
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June 19 2008, 4:03 AM
Yes, Pakistan became a dump the moment they allowed US in to the country.
From History we know that US will be there only for their own interests and nobody else's, the second US Administration have a chance to stab an Ally in the back they will.
As most of us know, if not Afghanistan, it's Iraq, If not Iraq it's Iran, if not Iran it's Syria if not Syria it's some one else, and when they finish with middle east, it will be other countries, there will all ways be a threat to US, or any other country on that matter, but it's how you deal and manage those threats it's important. This is US's last stand, and they will fall.
And most off the globe will be happy to see it happen.
Just to let you know I'm not anti American, I'm anti US administration and their foreign policy, and if all of US has to burn to change it, then let it be.
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Thank you very much for this fcuking news, brother! Now imagine if Pashtuns abled to learn them from CD-ROM, they will unleash these choppers emblazoned Black Flag to make those NATO/ISAF pansies running with tails in the dirt!
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June 19 2008, 6:06 AM
hopeless they cant even secure their own supplies!!!
US military and it's long history of srew ups muhahahahah
ps the copter would be sold to the black market
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June 19 2008, 9:30 AM
Chopper Engines Missing in Afghanistan
June 18, 2008
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KABUL, Afghanistan - Four U.S. military helicopter engines worth a combined US$13.2 million are missing in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, the American military said Wednesday.
The engines were being shipped by truck from the main U.S. base at Bagram, said U.S. spokeswoman Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green. She did not disclose the engines' overland destination, but said they were ultimately destined for Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where the 82nd Airborne is based.
"The components went missing en route to port - the exact location is undetermined," Nielson-Green said.
The parts went missing sometime before the 101st Airborne arrived to replace the 82nd in early April, she said. They were being shipped by a Pakistani trucking company.
Militants in both countries frequently target convoys of goods destined for NATO bases.
In March, nearly 40 trucks carrying fuel to U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan were destroyed in two bomb attacks on the Pakistani border. The bombings wounded about 100 people.
Pakistan's top military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, said the reports of the missing helicopter parts were under investigation, but he said that U.S. forces had not contacted Pakistani officials about the matter.
The U.S. is not disclosing what kind of engines they were to prevent any criminals or insurgents from getting additional information.
Good work, they got some engines. Likely engines that need refurbishing, too, since they were on their way back stateside. Above all that, they were being carried by Pakistani trucks.
So, someone stole some possibly worn out American engines from Pakistani trucks..
Hmmm.. Not exactly a propaganda story any more is it?
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June 19 2008, 9:52 AM
well this is a serious mater
these were enginers tommro they might get hold of some thing more deadely
AS MUSH AS I HATE TO SEE AMERICANS IN AFGHANISTAN
i hate al qaida even more
these guys are un pridicitable brutal have zero concern for human and innocient life plus they are educated
obvioulsy they can assamble a hello but if al qaida stards doing things
and they get a hold of some sort of missile
they are capable of doing any thing
dowing a comertial jet for instance
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June 19 2008, 10:06 AM
Actually if then engines were headed back to the USA they more than likely need a complete rebuild. Something the donkey riders have no capacity to do. They can pull them apart and get good money for the scrap metal, but thats about it. Those engines are highly compelx and even a skilled and experenced aircraft mechanic would need the 5,000 page (or so) Service manual to refer to.
Even if they did take a chopper, Helicopters are extremely annoying to maintain and you need a constant supply of spare parts for them. Not to mention someone compitent to fly it (that is stressed x10 over the Afgani style terrian).
Long story shot, it's not a big deal. It'll be easy to trace the engies to whomever stole them, and NATO forces will make them dead.
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Quote:Actually if then engines were headed back to the USA they more than likely need a complete rebuild. Something the donkey riders have no capacity to do. They can pull them apart and get good money for the scrap metal, but thats about it. Those engines are highly compelx and even a skilled and experenced aircraft mechanic would need the 5,000 page (or so) Service manual to refer to.
Even if they did take a chopper, Helicopters are extremely annoying to maintain and you need a constant supply of spare parts for them. Not to mention someone compitent to fly it (that is stressed x10 over the Afgani style terrian).
Long story shot, it's not a big deal. It'll be easy to trace the engies to whomever stole them, and NATO forces will make them dead.
obviously they cant do it but they can sell it
and get money or some modren weapons in return
they all ready had sold tomahawks to china and chinook parts to iran i htink
if they didnt knew wat to do with it they just would have blown it up
its obvious they took it cause they have figured out where to sell it
Quote:If not, the US might just be taking $13.2 million from a Pakistani trucking company. :D
well i once worked in a bank for a few months
i was in operations plus networking but i know how things go in there
ppl use to get loans to buy trucks so they can supply goodies to afghanistan
now taliban usual destory hte trucks
an AMERICAN INSURANCE COMPANY has ensured every truck that supplies stuff to afghanistan
other wise no tucker or trucking componey will go there
so tecnically the US govt will get its money from a US insurance componey
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June 19 2008, 10:55 AM
this might have been staged by pakistani military/government. to get their hands on these engines, work with chinese and start making copies on them. we all know what pakistan did to american tomahawaks in 1998 and came up with their version of tomahawk....
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June 19 2008, 2:26 PM
Yesterday a CV-22 flew over my house. I waved with fresh beer and the pilots couldn't resist so they landed on my ground.
I gave them the beer and said thanks.
When the pilots wanted to depart again (after the newschannels claimed there were CV-22 carrying nukes gone missing) I said "hold it fatsos, that CV-22 is mine now". I immediately shipped the CV-22 to China and today China has already 10 Osprey J's operational.
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Quote:this might have been staged by pakistani military/government. to get their hands on these engines, work with chinese and start making copies on them. we all know what pakistan did to american tomahawaks in 1998 and came up with their version of tomahawk....
highely unlikely
impossible
tahir man i never expected such a dum theory comming from you
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