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Effects of the "Livre Blanc" on the french air force

June 25 2008 at 1:17 PM
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Eric  (Login Nighthawk00)
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Babelfish translation:

The White paper of defense will result in a reduction d' at least 25% of the fleet d' fighters, with l' expiry 2020-25. After the great presidential declarations, the staffs of l' army of l' air and of the navy make their account and they are not very good. Currently, l' army of l' air and l' Naval Aviation align 420 fighters in park and 360 on line. When the measures of reduction are taken, these figures will be respectively of 300 and of 270, that is to say a fall of 28,5% and 25%. The airliners are those which are affected in units of combat (squadrons or flotillas), qu' they are available or not. The planes in park include/understand all the airliners, plus those stored in reserve and those in maintenance or revision of long life. The difference between the two is currently d' approximately 15% and this figure should be reduced to 10%, " what is a vision very volontariste" , a good expert of the management of the park ensures. The operational contract fixed by White paper at the air forces of combat (air and marine) will require dipositif formatted in the following way: two squadrons for the nuclear deterrence, two squadrons for air defense (jusqu' with twelve planes in permanent alarm), a squadron for the formation, a half-squadron in Djibouti and eight squadrons (and flotillas) for projection. That is to say thirteen or fourteen squadrons, d' a score d' apparatuses each one. As regards projection, the contract fixed at the air forces is to be able to carry out juqu' at 100 exits per day. That requires 70 apparatuses and approximately 140 crews. On average, qu' is estimated; a crew can carry out two exits every three days. 100 exits per day corresponds to an effort higher than what France agreed during the war of Kosovo (jusqu' at 80 exits/days). Currently, l' army of l' air and the navy realizes from six to eight exits per day in Afghanistan. With the modern ammunition, a hundred exits represent a capacity of very important striking nevertheless.


source: http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2008/06/la-france-va-rd.html


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JoeinTX
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Re: Effects of the "Livre Blanc" on the french air force

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June 25 2008, 1:44 PM 


Boy, net translations (especially French for some reason) are such wild-ass affairs.


So, planned reductions amount to around 110-120 total for the Pea Soup Air Force and Navy.


Good, about all they need and can handle. It's not like they do anything with them anway.

 
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You two idiots should stick to Knitting, suit you better than talking men or adult stuff.

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June 25 2008, 4:35 PM 

Quiet franckly a Blog from Liberation translated by this site, you got regular hormonal-related brain fades or what?

P!SS takers.




 
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Eric
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Re: Effects of the "Livre Blanc" on the french air force

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June 25 2008, 5:38 PM 

Thunder do you really need to insult a person that posts facts (it's in the LB for god's sake)?


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Re: Effects of the "Livre Blanc" on the french air force

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June 25 2008, 6:06 PM 

First, the LB take into acount that the threats are different since the fall of the Berlin wall and there are no more waves of varsaw pact's Mig's to counter,

and second do you think the 300 Rafale worth 340 Mirage F1, 2000-C and SEM?

No, they worth much more. With modern amunissions, the fire power is much greater and on a much longer range.

The operational contract is a force of 30000 well equiped men projectable anywhere plus 10000 on any other front.
The satellite inteligence as well as anti-sattelite means are gona be more than doubled, same thing for all inteligence means.
With one carrier group, 18 frigates, 6 SSN, 4 strategical subs, 2 ASMP-A tactical nuke air squadrons, 70 A400M, 14 A330 MRTT, 50000 Felin, 650 VBCI, it's not too bad.

Before they told 50000 projectable men but it was the big mythomania. Like the tractor production in USSR during Brejnev era...

The AdA must be able to project 70 planes anywhere. It never happened since the end of WWII.

The budget spent on the 2 LPM is going to be 370 billion €, 200 for the material, 18b€ each year, i-e: they're going to cut dramatically in the work force - the administration - and invest a lot in the material. A 20% cut in the man power (56000 cuts). That's a lot. Today the budget it's 60% personels, 40% materials. The ratio is gona be reversed.

Well... it's fine for me, the more they cut the burocrats, the more I'm happy anyway.
... everywhere.

The 2nd carrier is going to be delayed, it's confirmed, but I don't care. CdG next IPER will be 2014 or something and by 2011 we'll change our mind and make a nuclear carrier which will be a better idea.

BTW: the lecture a Sarkozy on front of the 3000 highest rank military the 18th of June:

Here

(2nd video right side)

He starts slowly but after it become interesting.





    
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Eric
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June 25 2008, 6:30 PM 

and second do you think the 300 Rafale worth 340 Mirage F1, 2000-C and SEM?
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Of course it's better. Does that mean that in 2040 or so only 250 fighters will be bought? Quantity is a quality on its own. I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing, I'm just posting an article that states there'll be a 25% cut in fighters.






The budget spent on the 2 LPM is going to be 370 billion €, 200 for the material, 18b€ each year, i-e: they're going to cut dramatically in the work force - the administration - and invest a lot in the material. A 20% cut in the man power (56000 cuts). That's a lot. Today the budget it's 60% personels, 40% materials. The ratio is gona be reversed.
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The french system was bad, there finances were not at all A.O.K. like some wanted us to believe. I also believe this is a change for the better.



The 2nd carrier is going to be delayed, it's confirmed, but I don't care. CdG next IPER will be 2014 or something and by 2011 we'll change our mind and make a nuclear carrier which will be a better idea.
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This is a major fvck up imo. First of all that means that France will have only one carrier for around 15-20 years. Let's hope France will never need its carrier when it's under maintenance.
Secondly, a carrier in 2020 (a single one) means that it will once again be a single-ship class. In 2040 the CDG will need to be replaced and a new single-ship class will be designed. Meaning France will have two different carriers and twice the number of classes than needed.
That's very costly and yes, dumb!


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