According to Israeli media, russia is ready to send Iran unknown number of SA-20 which I assume is same as S-400. Israel has given warning that if russia send these Sa-20 to Iran they will launch an attack before Iran gets to set them up.
Can a russian member verify this news?
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"Whatever its game plan for enriching uranium, Iran is at the same time improving its air defenses. Iran has bought SA-20 anti-aircraft missiles from Russia which could be up and operating by the end of this year. That would significantly increase the difficulty and risk of a strike, which is a complicated operation to begin with since so much of the Iranian nuclear complex is underground. "
An Israeli strike might be triggered by the production of enough enriched uranium at Iran's Natanz nuclear plant to make a bomb, ABC cited the official as saying. A second possible trigger would be the delivery of a Russian SA-20 air-defense system, the installation of which would make an Israeli attack more difficult, the U.S. official told ABC.
Looks like before the year ends thr will b another war in the middle east.
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No 40N6 no 9M96M and 9M96M2 missiles for S-400 system are ready jet ... its still using 46N6DM2 250km range missile ... and Russian said S-400 will not get exported before 2011-2012 ... so NO ONE GETS IT for 4 years ....
And even than Iran wont be geting it ... Russia does not want to sell Iran even S-300P/PT/PMU etc older but still respectable system and not to mention S-400.
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Salaam ali , I guess this means that carpet bombing with B52 or B2 is over !
Poor Yankistanis have to come out to fight without air cover .............
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Dude are you still living in 60s? Russia has europe? As far as I know USA is all around russia building bases! The only europe you got your hands on is red russia. Not even Ukraine is under russian influence.
Ps. Dont try to divert the thread. I did not come here to hear your personal opinion. I wanted to see if any of russian media had any report on this matter this morning.
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0- confronting rising challenges every where, usa have an internal consensus for a preventive strike in middle east
1- israel bush are building up excuses to attack iran, syria, if necesary
2- iran is no threat to any middle-east state and is a very good business opportunuity , so israel, usa will go ahead alone vs iran
3 - russia cannot accept the us army on its southern borders : iran, turkey are buffer states for russia
4 - russia will do all what it can to trap usa in the area
5 - russian radar control and AA protection will be the best available
6 - there is no reason for russia to boast of any military contract before the weapons are ready for use on site
7 - rocketry for unchallenge bielorussia could very well find route to iran
8- is it so easy to differenciate between AA systems?
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Ali I dont give a flying fvck if you dont want to hear my opinion, Iran is a toy that wont get anywhere close to modern long range SAM systems. A bit ironic that you only listen to Israeli news when they say something you want to hear?
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Israel reported ... Iran is buying 250 Su-30MK , A-50, S-300 ... Iskander etc etc .. than recently Russian S-300 was talked about and nothing happened EVER ....
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Why dont you develop an indigenous one for yourselves rather than wanking for one ? Last time I checked,your so called national defense industry(which is a complete joke of everyone) is very capable.
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lots of replies but mostly worthless. Your replies have nothing to do with question asked. So politly insert a huge watermellon up your pie hole and stand on one leg while repeating "ali is my master" 10 times.
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Which part of my question dont you understand? Are you mentaly challanged?
I am not asking for S400. I simply wants to know if there is any news coverage on any of russian language media about it. Now you russians should stop dropping your pants and bending over every time you see "Alibeekar" name on any topic.
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Ali , I don't think fillin and irkut views are representative of the Russian
state or people . To me ( if they are Russian at all ) they represent very
Eurofile views , not at all comensurate with the position Russia finds itself
in right now !
And constantinolopopopous , Iran is doing well in it's industry ...... Even without s-400 , it has many anti-air systems , it produce domestically . It
has enough against possible American air strike , to enable ground ops and
deter heavy bombers for sure .
Remember Iran does not need to wage a long war in the air against the Yanks
to deal them a defeat on the ground . In a matter of a few weeks , Iranian
troops will carry out lightening strikes on the ground . Engaging them at
close range and with blinding speed .
Having s-400 may be advantagous , but not crucial !
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Isnt it funny that even the Brits are now begging Gazprom to extend the nord stream to them?
My and Irkuts views are about as Russian as they get, most Russian dont give a crap about Iran nor muslims. If anything most would prefer for Gazprom to move in and set up an oil network from the middle east to Portugal.
If Iran had even an S-300 it would be having a parade in its honor today, the Iranians are a cheap bunch who are too poor to afford full SAM coverage. These reports are coming from Israel who lets be honest will say anything to get rid of its pesky neighbors.
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And if anyone thinks my views are radical let me introduce you to the Pamyat party,
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July 1 2008, 11:08 PM
Tell me the Fuel capacity of the FNSS Pars vs BTR-80.
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there is no russian press coverage on this because the Russian press doesnt report BS unless it is on express orders from the Kremlin and NOT Jerusalem.
S-400 production is at 1 division a year and entirely for the Russian army. The next customer is Belarus and after that there are orders in the works for Kazakhstan. The CIS unified air defense network is the priority. Non-CIS customers will not see S-400's for many more years with the one exception of S.Korea which has purchased the rights to series produce parts of the S-400 system domestically.
Almaz-Antei is currently building a 500 million dollar research and production center outside Moscow.
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What does a fuel tank have to do with fuel consumption? I already said Yamz from the BTR-80 is around 150 g/hph, the turkish fuel guzzler is 200+ g/hph, not to mention having a longer range than your refuel trucks is just stupid. That 240hp BTR-80 will win out anyday in fuel consumption, and our refuel trucks will be able to keep a constant supply.
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How many russians does it take to answer Ali's question.
It depends on number of brain cells required to answer the question. I say you need at least 10 brain cells, my luck we only have 3 russian members. that leaves us 7 brain cells short!
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How many russians does it take to answer Ali's question.
It depends on number of brain cells required to answer the question. I say you need at least 10 brain cells, my luck we only have 3 russian members. that leaves us 7 brain cells short!
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Who gives a fcuk about you question ..... retard :D
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Dear Ali as far as I know the slavik people including Russia, they wouls even sell there mother to get hold on iranian cash. as you see all the slavik beatches all over europe and turky.
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You poor Russian bastards dont even have control off your own corrupt country and your talking about Europe? Silly Russians have to stand in a huge line up for bread and they are trying to mock a great nation like Iran.
"We are not warmongers like the American goverment. They are warmongers. They are always after a war! We are not like this. However, When this nations honor and this homelands intrests are at stake, we will fight to the bitter end"
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Most russians that I have met in real life are hard core supporter of Iran. These russians live in a free society such as Canada and yet they show their support for Iran. Even yugoslavian and for some strange reason all Irish people that I have met are hard core Iranian supporters.
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every year something like half a million of my countrymen go to Turkey on vacation. How many go to Iran? Nothing even remotely like that. Why? Because Iran is an underdeveloped third world country with nothing to offer Russia. Turkey the NATO member sees vast trade with Russia, Iran doesnt.
Putin shakes the hand of Chavez too, that doesnt mean he likes the man, he just takes his money. He takes the mullahs money too, but dont think he leaves the table without a bad taste in his mouth and dont think for a minute that Russia would risk seriously angering the Americans over Iran. We sold out Iraq and we will do the same with Iran because Iran is equally irrelevant to the Russian strategic equation. In fact, Iran if anything, is a threat to Russian interests in the Caspian region and we have no incentive to see a strong Iran emerge. As long as Iran and America are at each others throats we are happy but if push came to shove, better the enemy thats 5,000 miles away from you survive than the enemy next door. Russia likes the status quo because it keeps both Iranian and American attention away from us and the naval base construction going on at Novorossisk anf the reequipping of the Caspian flotilla as well as the signing of a series of energy deals in the region.
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Who said we want Russian help? Off course I know Russians dont care about anyone but them selves, heck they would sell their own mothers if they could make a big profit on it. All we want is to buy some weaopons from you, just a fair trade nothing more.
"We are not warmongers like the American goverment. They are warmongers. They are always after a war! We are not like this. However, When this nations honor and this homelands intrests are at stake, we will fight to the bitter end"
"Isn't it ridiculous that those who have deployed 160,000 troops in Iraq accuse us of intervening there?"
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Thats not to say that Putin gives a rats as- about Turkey either, but only the Iranian fanatics on this board would think that a Russian actually cares what happens to Iran. I think Russian actions over the last 30 years should do all the talking about how it sees muslims.
I am a bit curious as to what the Caspian is getting? Tatarstan and Astrahan are about it to my knowledge.
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It is quite sad to see how the children of great Russian socialist worker's
state turn so quickly and violently to extreme nationalism and racism . The
picture you provided of Pamyat party shows how disillusioned and lost this
young generation has become . By your tone and rethoric I guess you filin &
irkut are also quite lost , without any firm ideas or religion or politics .
Apart from a strong sense of being or wanting to be Europeans like Turkey !
I have been to Turkey ! I saw the great number of Russian tourists . And the
reason ? Alcohol , sun shine , and bikinis on beach ! Apart from that Turkey
has become a shame to us , in it's pathetic grovelling to Europe ! If you
care for Europe then good for you . Go there . Iran is not in the European
camp . And if you want to side against Iran , do so ! Iran has many people
in the world to make friends with ! All of the 1 Billion muslims and all of
the African and Asian ( this does not include you anymore ) and Latin states
in the world .
Very soon Iran will become completely independant in it's industry and also
military power . So stick to the North pole and Siberia , drink your Vodka
and knock at Europe's door now and again .....like Turkey ................
see this time what the fascists in Europe will bring you .....like what
they brought your country ........ 20,000,000 dead in 2 world wars !
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First of all Pamyat party has almost ceased to exist after they tried to join up with neo-nazis, neither me nor irkut have anything to do with it, at least to my knowledge. I posted that to show that there are far more radical groups out there than what either me or irkut are saying, it would take a brain to pick up on that reference. Secondly there were 27 million casualties from both of the world wars.
Finally Ive said this before, Russia isnt Europe, the Middle East or East Asia, its simply Russia. We dont give a rats as- about anyone outside our borders, we want to develop good relations with EU and the US because we want to better the living standards in our country. Its very funny to think that Russia should somehow go out of its way to help Iran at the expense of hurting the relationship with EU with whom we have much more in common. I think Irkut said it best, rich white nations dont fight each other anymore.
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No I disagree . I think there is more than a simple interest by Russia to
join with Europe on economic terms . I think it is out of a sense of being
white Europeans etc . But no problems ! Iran does not dictate the fate of
other nations . And Russia will soon see how rich Europe really is ! And
also how good and great it is . It will be decided by race and religion &
immediate economic interests , for others too . No more by any high ideals
that Russians hold .
But Iranians have high ideals . We don't grovel to nobody !
Dasvidaniya .
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lol, those Iranian high ideals stole 40 billion of oil money from your people
Dont make me laugh, Peter I already did all the work for us, half of Europe are either Slavs or Orthodox so seems to me like were pretty much a natural part of it. I know how rich the US and the EU is, and I hope Russia achieves the same living standard one day. Most of the Iranian fanatics havent been to Iran for decades, some never even stepped foot on it yet they try to do everything possible to keep Iran a third world nation.
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The Iranian President had come on an official visit to India n India's National Security adviser returned the visit to Tehran.
Personally i didnt dislike the Iranians, Iranian writers, artists, intellects etc talk abt India as a frend. But Iran had morally supported Pakistan in our previous wars n tats sumthin we can do without. They didnt think twice before d
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