Canada ruling boosts US deserter
By Lee Carter
BBC News, Toronto



There are at least 200 US army deserters in Canada

A Canadian court has ordered the country's refugee board to re-examine an American deserter's rejected attempt for asylum in Canada.

The court ruled that the board made mistakes when it turned down Joshua Key's claim for asylum.

Mr Key served in Iraq in 2003 before deserting to Canada with his family while on leave in the US.

The ruling could affect scores of other US soldiers sheltering in Canada who have refused to fight in Iraq.

Possible deportations

Joshua Key served in Iraq as a US combat engineer in Iraq in 2003.

He claims that he witnessed several cases of abusive acts against civilians and the killing of innocent people.

While on leave at home in Oklahoma, he decided that he would not return to duty and took his family to Canada where he applied for asylum.

Although the Canadian refugee board found Mr Key credible, it rejected his application, saying that unless his claims of abuse constituted a war crime, they did not justify his desertion from the US army.

In its ruling, the federal court has disagreed with that analysis, saying that being forced to participate in military misconduct, even if it stops short of a war crime, may support a claim to protection in Canada.

There are at least 200 American war deserters in Canada and many face deportation after their asylum cases were also rejected.

Joshua Key's lawyer said that the ruling may help their cases.

The Canadian government is reviewing the court's decision and has not said whether it will appeal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7491060.stm

Send them back, I hope the authorities are waiting at the border.

A simple case of not living up to their commitments, the contract they signed is legally binding.

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Not as simple as that. contract or no contract.

Yes, trust me, it is. I might just know about what the contract entails.

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soldiers go AWOL for good reasons I'm sure. It's all in the mind.

@apex

you should be ashamed of your selve... US soldiers are opening committing murder, torture, rape in iraq,,, i cant tell u how many documentaries i have seen on BBC, Al Jazeera and rarely on CNN...

these soldier are real heros who reconise the fact they dont want to be part of a murder machine.. who got disgused at thier military brutality and have courage to do what they have done...

the real criminals are stilling in washington and tel aviv... they should be hanged

Prado QUOTE: "how many documentaries i have seen on BBC, Al Jazeera and rarely on CNN"

This is where I stopped reading.

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yes i know most US networks rarely show the criminal activities of US military.. a fact that i notice each i go to houston.. the average american has no clue whats going on there...


@apex

i think u rarely read

@Prado, I'm not sure you realize who you are talking to. You're not talking to a guy that works a 9 to 5 or has to get his war-related information from the nightly news. I'll leave the putting of two and two together to you, if you can use your head for something other than a paperweight.

We want to speak about brutality, thats a whole can of worms there. Third worlders man, I swear sometimes...

"i think u rarely read"

So says the guy with the grammar of a clogged toilet.


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@Prado, I'm not sure you realize who you are talking to. You're not talking to a guy that works a 9 to 5*****************

RE: so u work less hours than that?.... that would explain your time here




or has to get his war-related information from the nightly news. **********

RE: incase u havent realised they r pretty accurate.. i havent seen any thing to the re buff that..

like


do all iraqi not hate all of americans?...here is comment that says it all... a BBC reporter asked a Iraqi man why is waving at the US soldiers? his answer was so that they would not shoot him and his family

pathetic...no?

Are US soldiers not committing crimes?

Is iraq democracy??? hhaha ahhahha love hear this one...

Are things not worse off under US rule???


is basic underlining for the war a lie ??? MWD ??? we knew that before u did.. tsk tsk so much for your reliable source ,,,loool





I'll leave the putting of two and two together to you,***********

RE: i know since u cant do it i will do it for y... " you guys know jack" simple




if you can use your head for something other than a paperweight.**********


RE: dont know about paper i push buttons all the time and create figures and decisions that affect the lives of people who look like serial # to me,....... hehehhee hehe kind of like your generals...except u guys can get seriously srewed


We want to speak about brutality, thats a whole can of worms there. Third worlders man, I swear sometimes...***********

RE: yes but none of them claim to be the leader of freedom, human rights and all the other garbage u tell us





So says the guy with the grammar of a clogged toilet.**********


RE: you shoud focus on the substance of the matter... it would avoid getting srew up in your life... like going to war believing a lier (bush) and getting your self killed or crippled... like the thousands of your buddies... dont u think?

Any US soldier who commits a crime in Iraq is arrested and tried under US military law. If convicted they're givin long sentences. I'm certain the US military treats law-breakers far more harshly than Sadaam Hussein did with his army.

true

but US army is committing more crimes that it likes to admit..

it only acts when crimes are blown open or they r so bad unless u r a animal u cant ignore it..

at least in an army of 1/2 million at least 200 of them are brave

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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"Any US soldier who commits a crime in Iraq is arrested and tried under US military law. If convicted they're givin long sentences..."

Odd then that the US government should demand, that the Iraqi government have no authority to prosecute US soldiers, and in what I can only interpret as a slap in the face to the Iraqi government, any civilian contractor in the employ of the US military for any and all crimes committed on Iraqi soil. So the next time some clowns from Blackwater or some other "security" contractor become a little (or a lot) indiscriminate with their use of firepower in a crowded place, just think of the goodwill they are creating toward the US around the globe.

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"There are no masses of people, only ways of looking at people as masses."

Odd then that the US government should demand, that the Iraqi government have no authority to prosecute US soldiers, and in what I can only interpret as a slap in the face to the Iraqi government, any civilian contractor in the employ of the US military for any and all crimes committed on Iraqi soil.

It'd be unworkable otherwise - you can't have coalition soldiers being able to be prosecuted by the local Iraqi's. You can't ask soldiers to be answerable to external agencies that do not care for their job/training/circumstances etc. I mean, a US soldier might fire on a car approaching a check point that doesn't stop, killing the driver. Should the soldier be tried for murder by the Iraqis, even though he was just doing his job, applying his TTPs exactly? Its unworkable.

You might be surprised though that military members being exempt from local laws in foreign countries while in the conduct of their duties is not at all unusual. For soldiers to enter a foreign country the two governments would have first signed a SOFA (status of forces agreement) stipulating exaclty who could get in trouble for what. More often than not, unless you commit a serious crime while 'off duty' most soliders will be exempt from local laws. I know a few blokes who have racked up an impressive number of speeding fines in foreign countries and never had to pay them.

The new SOFA between the GOI and the US might change a few things though - civilian contractors will no longer be exempt from local laws etc. Coalition military members are still free to do what they want though (luckily for me).

- Sarge

prado, you're one brainwashed person. The Iraqi occupation is the most clean occupation in history.


And don't talk about rape and murder, muslims in the world do pretty much only that. Europe is filled with dangerous sicko's like that. Send those retards back!


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"The enemy dies relaxed," observed a Lockheed Martin manager.

The U.S also has the same problem. ^ The highest record of violent crime in fact.

really paulette (britishempire aka empirestrikes back)?

 

you have a lot of gall speaking about crime since you bragged that you are on probation for cowardly sneaking up to a guys house and outting a brick through a window..what a disgrace..

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Get over it. Everyone does a bad turn.
By the way I wasn't on probation. It was 5 years ago while I was a juvinile.

I'm going by the academic journals and lecture notes regarding violent crime in America so don't shoot the messenger.

Quote: but US army is committing more crimes that it likes to admit.. it only acts when crimes are blown open or they r so bad unless u r a animal u cant ignore it..

You don't really believe that, do you? For the US army to succeed in it's mission in Iraq we need the goodwill of the Iraqi people. If we were committing all kinds of crimes over there and covering it up we sure wouldn't have that.

Are crimes commited by individual troops, of course. There are 150,000 young American men and women over there. Some are going to commit crimes, you don't always get the best folks in the services. But when they're caught they are definitely prosecuted. No question about it. We don't want bad apples in the US military.

Those 5-6 punks who commited that murder/rape incident against the Iraqi family were all given maximum sentences. Even the guy who turned evidence was given 20 years of hard labor. The rest were given life sentences in military prison with no parole. And justifiably so.

prado, you're one brainwashed person. The Iraqi occupation is the most clean occupation in history.**********


RE:muhahhaha hahhaa hhah.. the most insane statement of the year.. ok then why do u have soldier running away from iraq if it so clean???..

u r joking right?????


dude lose fox tv... bad for brain.. i admit i watch it too but not for the reason u think


about brain washed...

a brain washed person only watch or gather and accept views from once source... i look multipule sources and then come to a conclusion... ps have ever talked to an iraqi ?? i bet no.. i have met many.. including a recent one who was a engineer working a taxi cab driver in dubai... oh ya did he have stories to tell... and all of them consistent with what neutral news organisation have been reporting..

every nation less israel and US thinks iraqi war is fine ... now tell me who is brain washed?


And don't talk about rape and murder, muslims in the world do pretty much only that. Europe is filled with dangerous sicko's like that. Send those retards back!***********

RE: really?? we hang rapist how about you?

violence in countries like turkey, uae, malayisa is pretty low... and most GCC and jordan..plus iran

US is crime country of the world incase u havent noticed.. there many place in USA which r unsafe to go

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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@landos

there is much more crime then u realise...... very little gets reported in the US media..


the basic reason why such crimes are committed by US troops (UK troops are committing negligible crimes) is after 911 US troops and people were bombarded with anti muslim garbage ... in effect brain washing them to the point that muslims in thier mind were animals ...

and that is why u see such indiscrimate killing by US troops and bad behaviour....


so my dear what al jazzera, BBC , and numourous arab media and european channels report about US troops is correct.. u dont believe then dont.. u cant change facts...


remember your enemy always speak the truth about u..

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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^^ The janitor n his pack of lies.




Colours of KAZIRANGA.

^^ The janitor n his pack of lies.****

RE: yes all janitors are indians.....


facts hurt doesnt it?

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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