It's human nature to resent the top dog. When China was poor and weak militarily, the world held a somewhat positive opinion of China; as a matter of fact, China was held in higher esteem than the U.S.A..
Now, that China is fast becoming the world's number one nation, world opinion about China is changing for the negative. Ironically, China is the same country...it's just that her status has changed.
I think that this reality says something about humanity in general.
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July 16 2008, 4:34 PM
Quote:It's human nature to resent the top dog. When China was poor and weak militarily, the world held a somewhat positive opinion of China; as a matter of fact, China was held in higher esteem than the U.S.A..
Now, that China is fast becoming the world's number one nation, world opinion about China is changing for the negative. Ironically, China is the same country...it's just that her status has changed.
I think that this reality says something about humanity in general.
Not true. China is not the same country.
China wasn't taking sides in African conflicts 2 decades ago. It also wasn't demanding more rights for it's nationals in Western countries. It also wasn't consuming so much of the world resources. It also wasn't messing up the world economy with it's un-liberal methods.
I like China and enjoy its rising but I wish it didn't turn so imperialist.
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July 16 2008, 5:14 PM
Imagine a quarter of a billion Dutch people and the Netherlands being the world's superpower... then I think with the USA we're quite alright.
As for human nature to resent the top dog, I have actually no resentments at all towards the USA. Not that I appreciate everything there. But being critical doesn't equal resentment.
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Resentment doesn't necessarily have to do with "top dog" status. Take a football or hockey team for instance. The team captain is usually looked up to for his skill and leadership. He is not resented for his position.
If that captain starts doing questionable things that are not in the best interests of the team, then there will be some resentment, but it won't be directly related to his status as top member, but at the fact that he/she is using his top member status to get away with questionable activities.
I for one can't think of any other nation being the leader besides the US. They, for the most part, hold the same values and interests as I and my country do. I do however, resent their current administration for obvious reasons, but the country itself and what it stands for, and what it has created in a short time is nothing short of amazing, and something to be looked up to.
Fortunately, bad administrations come and go, and this one is on the way out soon.
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July 16 2008, 8:52 PM
I bolive World needs 2 possibly 3 Superpowers to keap the balance...and as far for China,it wont be a Superpower.They are just noot so good in such things,not to mention they are unstable.
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Superpowers comme and go.But as for right now USA is still a true Superpower,altough a depressed one(huge debt,coruption,wars and so on...)And EU is ewolving vary fast and its quite possible for EU to becomme Superpower too.Its GDP,its immportant geoposition and living standards are unmatched if counted as a single Country.Also Eu has a good immage among the World.Cus in order to be a Superpower and SURVIVE as a Supwerpower ur need Worlds suport.Otherwise it will crack soon or later.
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Future Superpowers might be USA...EU and possibly Russia(if it recovers to a certain point).
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July 16 2008, 9:17 PM
there is no other country in the world more stable than a communist china with 1.3 billion population brought under control for the last 60 years. chairman Mao is still in our hearts.
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July 16 2008, 9:21 PM
what i mean ur guys have large sepratist movments and internal problems to solve still before
considering to becomme a Superpower.Thats at least what i think.
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July 16 2008, 9:34 PM
Europe is the causes of most problems in the world to begin with
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You mean it was in the last centurys or so.....Nowdays its different.
And precisly the past made Europe Geoposition so immportant.Not to mention now the Euro as a
common Valute and soon possibly a common Military.Like i sayd Europe has ewolved.
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July 16 2008, 9:58 PM
the problem is that china took the middle ground (50's-70's)with soviet style autonomous regions loosely based on qing dynasty banners and other ethnic seperating systems or with regard to internal cultural differences during the qing where it was at a disadvantage to the practice of divide and conquer, it was at odds with the norms of the europeans at the time(1800's-1900's).. where as the europeans and the US crushed all separatists and where the they would keep control at all times and the result of today that the non-white or aboriginal minorities are so culturally destroyed that the only culture that remain was the white settlers culture so thus the community was united with one dominating culture... it is uncertain if china would even have any goals of being a superpower in the western sense of the word, how china is viewed as imperialistic at it current stage is odd to me, you need to define the ways china is "imperialistic" because currently the only thing I see from china that might be near anything "imperialistic" would on the way it searches for resources and markets, but that could also be seen as capitalism
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July 17 2008, 1:16 AM
power can corrupt though of course having no power can to
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Yes of course,but not as much as a Superpower wich corupts superbly at the end of its Time...LOL
Remebr the old Roman Empire...a fine example.
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July 17 2008, 2:30 AM
No it's not good. Nations are like people, if one has too much power it becomes overly corrupt, belligerent, unlawful, aggressive and tyrannical towards other nations, playing fast and loose with the international laws, breaking them whenever they deem necessary and with NO penalty for doing so for obvious reason.
The world needs a resurgent Russia to get back to superpower status in order to keep balance in the world. I don't think that China will be involved in keeping balance because eventually they will step out of line and get smashed by the U.S...........or Russia.......or the 2 combined. Japan is getting stronger too btw, they'll be able to take care of themselves very soon and acting as a partial counter-balance to China in the region. Yes I know that they are 1/10 the population of China but that has never made a difference throughout history, they've usually stomped the yello-skinned chinese mongoloids across from them with little problem.
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July 17 2008, 4:21 AM
Historicaly a Countrys population played a big role in its power status.But nowdays its less so.
For example,Japan has 1/10th the population of China,but it is far superior in Technology!
Then if you arm Japan with Nukes you have a perfect countrabalance to China since a mutual destuction is assured.
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Both Germany and Japan are already Globalpowers in terms of GDP,Technology and sheer Goods they export.Militarliy they are in good quality,but they dont posses Nukes.But since both are capable
of porducing them vary quickly if desired,i rate them high on my list.
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Russia nowdays has only 140 million population-compared to 300 million of former USSR.But since
it has Nukes and it is a energy Globalpower(also posses good technology)it plays a big role.
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July 17 2008, 4:56 AM
----China is acting like 19th century Britain (imperialist and thinking of only itself).
The highest motto of Confucianist:To give consideration to the benefit of the world when one has the capability, or to shift the attention to the perfection of his own when one loses it.
Save the world or save yourself, to put it in short.
This is by Mencius, and his another word: To treat your own old, hence others'; To raise your own children , hence others'.
China at the present stage is still a developing country, with average income for only 2xxx dollars each year, there is still a long way to go to be able to benefit all the world.
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July 17 2008, 5:23 AM
People are talking like a population of 140 million is somehow "small", lets be serious, there are 120 million ethnic Orthodox Russians living inside of Russia today. Putin has formed a great deal of unity in his term, something which lacks in China. Problem with 1.3 billion people is its just too large to control, the group looses its sense of identity and is left with factions fighting each other.
Today you get $13k for each child after your first one in Russia, its nothing in Moscow but there are "only" 10 million people in Moscow. For the 130 million who live outside the capital its a nice chunk of change, couple that with optimism and I see 1-2% population growth in 2 decades from now.
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July 17 2008, 7:56 PM
The HIgh Tech age has taken a big step.Thats what counts.Cus a small Country nowdays can trethen a far bigger Country by merely possesing Hightech industry and capability to arm whith Nuks.
As for China,1.3 Billion is way of to much!Thats why they have thus expansionist policy.They have no food and can have only one Child.Large portion of the country is malnurished.
Take away Tibet from China and Chinese will have to immport large amounts of food,thus crippeling them.Not to mention they have separatist movemnts all over the place.
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July 17 2008, 10:54 PM
"As for China,1.3 Billion is way of to much!Thats why they have thus expansionist policy.They have no food and can have only one Child.Large portion of the country is malnurished.
Take away Tibet from China and Chinese will have to immport large amounts of food,thus crippeling them.Not to mention they have separatist movemnts all over the place."
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wow we have another "China expert" ... if only the rest of the world had the same insight... at least he got the 1.3 billion right... after all, what would China do without Tibet feeding the rest of China...
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"As for China,1.3 Billion is way of to much!Thats why they have thus expansionist policy.They have no food and can have only one Child.Large portion of the country is malnurished.
Take away Tibet from China and Chinese will have to immport large amounts of food,thus crippeling them.Not to mention they have separatist movemnts all over the place."
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wow we have another "China expert" ... if only the rest of the world had the same insight... at least he got the 1.3 billion right... after all, what would China do without Tibet feeding the rest of China...
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July 17 2008, 11:09 PM
"wow we have another "China expert" ... if only the rest of the world had the same insight... at least he got the 1.3 billion right... after all, what would China do without Tibet feeding the rest of China... "
wow we have another "I know hot click respond button twice" expert
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July 18 2008, 12:28 AM
WOW,a WAFF Jedi Knight! Maybe you need to triplepost this one next time,just in case.LOL!
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July 18 2008, 2:47 AM
lmao, USA, russia and china doesnt like canada at all.
Thats true.
But don't think Russia likes China either. If there's one thing people ought to have learned in the last century or so, its that Russia only likes Russia. And money.
If China was in trouble Russia wouldn't lift a finger to help it.
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July 18 2008, 4:39 AM
ppl dislike USA for it's sick and twisted forgien policy... it doesnt mean they hate americans... american take critism of thier foriegn policy as an attack of USA it;s self
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July 20 2008, 3:01 PM
One, China will never be a superpower because she doesn't want to be one. Read China's official position. China is a developing nation and wants to be left alone.
Two, this bullsh1t about how China is like the old colonial white powers is a bunch of lies perpetuated by whities only.
How is China like England in 19th Century? There are no Chinese troops invading Africa. China pays for raw material, England murdered and enslaved African people and stole their resources. There are no Chinese military base in Africa.
It also wasn't demanding more rights for it's nationals in Western countries.
How? Where? When?
Muslims demand far more rights in Western nations than Chinese. I never seen any Chinese demand for Chinese cultural or religious beliefs to be forced upon the public like the muslims want headscarves or honor killings or banning of cartoons of muslims to be forced.
Dude, you are either making things up or listening to some racist white guys. Hell, even the racist white guys refer Chinese as a "model minority" because they DON'T ask for any special rights. Most racist whites use Chinese or Asians as an example of why there shouldn't be any special rights for blacks or muslims.
So I have no idea what you are talking about.
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July 20 2008, 5:04 PM
The strenth of Europe is diversity. Diversity makes a lot of little problems to deal with but avoid BIG problem (ask the dinosaurus...)
It's very well like this, each european country play in his field, and each success is a success for the whole.
The only mistake is to avoid in the future is to pull rivalities up to self-destruction wars as we did.
Because on a historical perspective Europe just begin to recover a bit from the two WW. You need one century at least to recover such a level of self-destruction (European skill at its best here too )
Also don't forget: "one doesn't take power, he gather it up" (De Gaulle)
The US will keep its statut as long as its virtues justify it.
After someone else will gather it up. Some say that this time has already come.
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July 20 2008, 5:05 PM
there is no other country in the world more stable than a communist china with 1.3 billion population brought under control for the last 60 years. chairman Mao is still in our hearts.
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"Most racist whites use Chinese or Asians as an example of why there shouldn't be any special rights for blacks or muslims."
Actually non-racist whites (and Asians) use that argument. Racist whites just consider them inferior, just like you consider whites, errr...whitey, as you so colloquially put it frequently inferior. Have you ever considered comedy as career? You could be an racist Asian version of Andrew Dice Clay. Or maybe you and Dragon could be a team, like a racist Abbott and Costello.
"There are no masses of people, only ways of looking at people as masses."
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