I think Turkey has got a quite awesome airforce with quite some F-16's
200+ ?

Chinese report
http://www.chinanews.com.cn/gj/qqjs/news/2009/03-12/1599407.shtml

No F-15 just F-16 and Phantoms.Decent but not awesome.USAF and IDFAF are awesome.

Yeah thanks that's typo F-16.

Man we cannot always compare to USAF no? IDF of course is also quite powerful.

I`m not jealous my friend i just wanted to tell that the real powerfull,awesome AF are very few like
USAF or IDFAF.PLAAF could be one of them after some years.

Ya my friend too but to be honest Turkey is a BIG country and they have GOOD potential to become a awesome power in both Europe and Middle East.

Time is really on the side of Turks, they will re-rise to be a great power again I believe that's something born in their blood

Bah Israelis will never let a muslim country to get that strong.

"Bah Israelis will never let a muslim country to get that strong."

If they want a stable Israel,they should have to cooperate with us.

Btw with this additional F-16s total will be 245. All other Blocks (30,40,50) will be upgraded to Block50+ standard with CCIP modernization.

P.S: HBN,bro since TAF getting Block50+ I've corrected the title , not Block50.We already built Block50 F-16s in mid 90s(TAI: Turkish Aerospace Industries).

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

Israel can do jerk they can't even handle Iran right now.

Although I believe Israel will exist for long long time maybe forever but Israel's best luck is to defend herself it's really too tiny small country no big future.

The Chinese article which I posted by the Link also mentioned that Americans are begging Turkish cooperation in many fields because Turkey is very important to them.

Yanks don't think this and that they only think who are important partners in business so Turkey is on the winning side.

Thanks Canislupus bro for the correction.

Block 50 was written in the Chinese article so.

250 F-16's and all the upgrades that's really a BIG airforce and the thing is that Turkey is only growing stronger each year therefore after 10 years you will up one stage in the world power arena.

Good luck buddies

HBN, did you change your avatar? I was under the impression that your avatar was a mushroom cloud formed after a nuclear explosion. Now it looks somwhat different. The stalk seems a lot longer.


Mobile airpower

"The enemy dies relaxed," observed a Lockheed Martin manager.

They have no ability to become strong in Europe (unless the leftards go into full pansy mode).
They can have regional power in the middle east perhaps, but Iran will have that, as will Israel.

Eric yeah you right I changed to this mushroom 1 year ago you do get a good memory I did use a Chinese H-bomb mushroom before but I thought that's too brutal so this one it's much more CO2-friendly

HBN mate we must understand there is difference between having foreign planes only who also have bases on your country's soil
and havings own planes and industry and strong economy

having deficits, buying amerikunts planes and goings into negative growths figure with lower middle incomes level of developments (due to secularism policy of ataturd) will not make a country strong

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I am old Christiankiller
Sorry for offensive to our good religion christian brothers
I am not hating christians

>>> HBN mate we must understand there is difference between having foreign planes only who also have bases on your country's soil
and havings own planes and industry and strong economy

having deficits, buying amerikunts planes and goings into negative growths figure with lower middle incomes level of developments (due to secularism policy of ataturd) will not make a country strong >>>>


Angloziona i am trying hard to understand your negative sentiments towards Turkey but can not understand where you ill feeling towards us is deriving from, it almost sounds like you do appreciate Ottomans caliphate title, yet, on the other hand you praise Iran on every chance you get. This leads me to believe you either Iranian or Shiite with different national origin but having a strong bond towards Iran since Iran is Shiite strong hold.

Turkey is a very influential nation that plays its card with diplomacy and political tactics, its how it follows its foreign policy. Turkey at this point in time does purchase foreign, but, it purchases the best fighter jets money can buy. When F-16's were released into the market in the 1980's, Turkey followed a wise move by purchasing 240 of them by phases but requesting of US to let us build these fighter jets at home in Turkey, instead of purchasing them off-shelf from US. This has enabled Turkey to take a big leap forward on fighter jet building know hows, enabling our engineers to upgrade our F-16's to our own specification and adding new technology as it was released. We are fortunately following the same steps in our up coming F-35 purchases. Turkey being a third level partner in the JSF F-35 fighter jet, we have managed to grab billions of dollars of work share in this project. Turkey produces the mid-section of every F-35 that is made, made of sophisticated composite materials which again adds to our know how. If Turkey was to initiate a project to develop its own fighter air crafts, it can do so without much foreign help, but its a lengthy and costly development which can not afford at the moment and add to that, if we were to do so, we will undoubtedly bring out something that is 30 years more advanced than what Iran can produce, quite possibly something in line with western or Chinese JF-17 standards. So at the moment we are enjoying every know hows we can grab hold of, developing our engineering skills and raising more engineers in the process. When the time comes we will eventually produce our advanced fighter jets, time is on our side..

Like every other nation on earth, we too, unfortunately have one single US air base on our soil. I have seen the images of this base and its nothing major, quite small actually. Having foreign base on our soil doesn't mean we are not aware of the events happening within that base, it is well documented day in, day out. In today's climate this base doesn't serve any purpose other than Turkey playing it as a tool to use its cards on US. When we request to purchase Reaper UAV's, pointing out again that it's quite possibly the best UAV out there in the market with its strike/weapons capabilities, US says yes and when they made a request to transport their wounded troops, we granted the permission. This political game goes both ways, nations benefiting from each other. This of course doesn't mean we agree to every request they make. Take for instance when they made a call to use this airbase to strike Iraq, our answer was a simple, loud and clear, NO.

As for your concern on Turkeys industry and economy, we are enjoying a top place for being the 15th largest economy. Turkey has a large industrial capacity which only grows every year. We are the 4th or even 3rd largest ship builder after China and South Korea. Large manufacturing capabilities producing more than 1.5 million autos annually. Large electronic gizmo exports. In seven consecutive years we have managed to grow by 7.5% consistently but at the moment, we are also unfortunately feeling the effects of this current economic slow down. We have not plunged into a recession or negatives yet, nor do we have account deficits and thank God for that. Unlike most in Europe, we have small nation debt which again is a bonus for us. The economy has slowed and unemployment has jumped up but please point out any place on this globe which hasn't.

Previous Turkish F-16 produced in Turkey












Turkish engineers carrying out upgrades to Jordanian F16's

great picture of the f-16 factory, got any more pictures.....

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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Yep great pictures of Turkish Engineers putting together F-16 Kits sent from USA, LOL you Turkies never cease to make yourselves potential superpowers, The REAL awesome Airforce lies a few hundred miles to the EAST which has been OWNING the TuAF for the last 20 years now, the HAF.



"if Christiannity and Turkish occupation hadn't stopped the Greek civilization from its advanced progress in mathematics , chemistry and physics the Greeks could have been to space 600 years before the Americans"
(Arthur C. Clarke)

6 words for the Turks to remember:-

Eurofighter TBA (Air dominance fighter)
S-300PMU-1 (unrivalled SAM technology)
SCALP (First Strike capability)
Leopard GR2 (Latest Gen Competitive MBT)
ERIEYE (AEW&C capability)
Type 214 (has AIP technology )

Ehhh actually Türkiye can produce up to 70-80 % of the components on its own... The only big problem is the EW-suit. License agreements hinder any advancement towards complete self-sufficieny but building a 30 year old jet is nothing marvelous...

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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein

70-80% of an F-16?!

Even though this is nonsense,u don`t really need amazing technology to make the fuselage of a fighter
like F-16.Its mostly titanium and aluminium alloys along with few CFRP.Nothing amazing for a country
like Turkey.

All the special technology is the radar,the ew suites,the fly by wire system and generally the
electronics.

Now to make the fuselage of F-22 which is made up to 50% from CFRP and GFRP with special coatings
its another story...

adonis
Yep great pictures of Turkish Engineers putting together F-16 Kits sent from USA, LOL you Turkies never cease to make yourselves potential superpowers, The REAL awesome Airforce lies a few hundred miles to the EAST which has been OWNING the TuAF for the last 20 years now, the HAF.


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Pure denial and ignorance are what will bring you Greeks down , There is so much hate and jalousie on your side . It is unbelievable but keep on going we have managed to defied you on more than just one occasion . And carried out operations against you so you are the looser and a bad one to. The small incidence you like to call a big victory are nothing more than desperation any thing that smells like a victory is a huge victory a defied against the mighty lion u have beaten again it is sad to see a once proud nation to behave like this it is just sad .

we do have our own EW suite made by MIKES..

http://export.ssm.gov.tr/content/productDetails.aspx?ID=46
http://export.ssm.gov.tr/content/productDetails.aspx?ID=48
http://export.ssm.gov.tr/content/productDetails.aspx?ID=47

Turks have no expierience with ew suites so i doubt those ew suites are enouph to handle even
primitive SAM like SA-2 guideline and Sa-3 Goa...

Think whatever you like

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=151109&bolum=102 those s-300s wont be much use to you for much longer

gayreeks, do you always have to come and show your jealousy?

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Yeah right,if ur ew suites are soo good then why don`t u use them to upgrate ur F-16 on your own
but u pay the USA and Israel for that?Maybe because u know they`re primitive?

Here read this

SPEWS EW suite
The AN/ALQ-178 is a family of an advanced, internally mounted self-protection systems specifically designed and developed by MiKES and BAE Systems for high performance fighter aircraft, including the F-16, F-4E and F/A-18. Fully operational since 1986, the AN/ALQ-178 versions are currently in operation for two major Air Forces.


"Fully operational since 1986"

MIKEs is developing a newer EW suite SPEWS 2.

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hmm, i thought SPEWS 2 was going to be installed on the newer F-16s..http://www.f-16.net/news_article2222.html

Impressive...

@ Greek and Bangladeshi,

Local participation of TAI(Tusas Aerospace Industries) gradually increased in every Peace Onyx project they handled. As mentioned F-16 production participation of TAI was as high as %70 of whole aircraft.

Quoting:
"10/05/2007
New F-16s will be produced in Turkey and delivered to Tuaf in 2011. Lockheed Martin will close the F-16 production line and all new F-16 orders from other countries will be produced in Turkey by TAI. Cost of deal is $1.6 bilion dollars."


@ Beryoza

Quote: Yeah right,if ur ew suites are soo good then why don`t u use them to upgrate ur F-16 on your own but u pay the USA and Israel for that?Maybe because u know they`re primitive?

As Combat_Master mentioned we've produced our EW suits here in Turkey. Current project is about building an indigenous EW suit rather than producing under license.









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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

The difference btw Turkey and Greece in this matter is Turkey is actively making progress in the indigenous military industry while Greece is talking talking

In 20 to 30 years Turkey might become the largest country in Europe (population wise) with the largest military (military personnel) and one of the best military industry.

That said, Turkey will play a larger and larger role in world affairs even a KEY role in that area between Europe and Middle East because there is the CLASH of civilization in coming 30 years (East Asia will come into the clash but well some time later )

@ Beryoza

For our own EW suites and Database:


NATO member Turkey has quietly decided to buy variants of three different S-300 missile systems from Belarus and Ukraine to test them at the Konya training center(Where Annual Anatolian Eagle exercises placed) with the Electronic Warfare Training Field (EHTS) system built by local firm Havelsan.


"These missile systems are intended to be used for testing and training purposes to simulate threats that may come from countries with ex-Soviet systems in their inventories," a local defense industry source told Today's Zaman. The decision to buy former Soviet-designated SA-12 (300V version) and SA-10 (S-300) missile systems, as well as SA-15 short and medium-range TOR systems, at a cost of around $100 million, was made during an executive committee meeting of the Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) on July 22, but it was not made public. Sources close to the project said the systems will be tested mainly with F-16s using the EHTS system, which has been moved from Eskiehir to the central Anatolian town of Konya, some 250 kilometers from Ankara, where a regional combat readiness simulation center is located.

Tests with these missile systems will, amongst other things, help Turkey detect whether the Greek Cypriot administration, which has Russian S-300s in its inventory, has been using them.

"The missile systems were not purchased to be launched against perceived enemies and they will not be included in the inventory of the Turkish Armed Forces [TSK]. They will be tested at the Konya range with EHTS systems. Their radars and fire control systems are to be bought separately," a well-informed local defense industry source said.

During the tests those systems will be jammed, enabling Turkey to develop counter systems.

Turkey has been holding combined air training exercises, code-named Anatolia Eagle, with Turkish jets and jets from allied and partner countries such as US,Germany,France,Italy,Israel,Pakistan,Jordan...etc at the Konya training center.

The center, opened in 2001, also hosts Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation (ACMI) systems, which feature software developed by the Israel-based firm MLM. ACMI systems are capable of transferring in-flight images from jets to command headquarters.

In a separate development, Turkey is planning to include about a dozen long-range air and missile defense systems, worth around $4 billion, in its inventory for the first time.


http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=153188
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=151109&bolum=102




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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

It is amazing to see grekks blablating continuously.
greeks look at this video, especially 1.01 minute:

Its not so easy to produce and effective ew suite just because u get some missiles.

Russians couldn`t jamn the Georgian Buk even though they designed the system!

Turkey can have it's 30 new F-16 50+, they really don't do anything to affect the balance of power which is still in the hands of the real dominant Airforce in the region the HAF....

GREECE:

F-16 bl52+ =59 +(30) in order
F-16 bl50 =40
F-16 bl30 =32
Mirage 2005 MKII= 25
Mirage 2000 =32
F-4E PI2000=35
A-7E Corsair II=51
A-7H Corsair II=34
total: 308
+
30
=
338

Turkey

F-16 bl50+ =(30) in order
F-16 bl50 =75
F-16 bl40 =98
F-16 bl30 =37
F-4E 2020 =52
F-4E =92
total: 354
+
30
= 384

TRANSPORTERS

Greece

C-130B/H 5/10=15 (they have modernized)
C-27J =12+(3) in option

turkey

A400M =(10) in order
C-130B/H =6/7 =13 (they will modernized)
CN-235M =49(3 Medevac, 3 VIP's)
C-160T =19
Airbus A-319=1

TRAINING

Greece

T-2E/C =40
T-6A =45
T-41D =18

turkey

T-38A ~69?
T-37B/C~58
SF.260D=38
T-41D =26

MISSILES

Greece

A/G

AGM-88B Harm =84
SCALP-EG =90
AFDS =70
AGM-154C JSOW=40
GBU-31 JDAM =100
CBU-103 WCMD=200
Enchanced Paveway II=236
GBU-24A/B Paveway III=200
Paveway I/II =1162
BLU-107 Durandal =523
BLU-109 =250
AM 39 Exocet Block 2=39
AGM-65G Maverick IIR=200
AGM-65A/B Maverick =284
GBU-8/B HOBOS =96
Mk-20 Mod 2 Rockeye
CBU-52B
CBU-59/B APAM
CBU-58B

turkey

AGM-88B HARM =96
AGM-142 Popeye I =100
AGM-84K SLAM-ER =(48) in order
AGM-154A-I JSOW =(50) in order
AGM-154C JSOW-C/Broach=(54) in order
AGM-65GI Maverick IIR =150
AGM-65A/B Maverick =550
GBU-8/B HOBOS =200
Paveway I&II =1170+(550) in order
BLU-107 Durandal =523
CBU-105 =(50) in order
GBU-31 JDAM =(200) in order
GBU-38 JDAM =(200) in order
BLU-109 =(100) in order


A/A

Greece

AIM-120B/C-5 AMPAAM =240/150=390
MICA EM/IR =150/150=300
Super 530D =80
AIM-7E/F Sparrow =???
IRIS-T =350+ (350) in option
AIM-9M Sidewinder =165
AIM-9L/I-I Sidewinder =300
AIM-9L/I sidewinder =347
AIM-9Juli/I-I Sidewinder=400
Magic 2 =304
AIM-9P4 Sidwinder =1000

turkey

AIM-120A/B AMRAAM =176/138=314
AIM-7E/F Sparrow=367
AIM-9X =(225) in order,not yet confirmed
AIM-9M =500
AIM-9L/I =640
AIM-9S =310
AIM-9P3 =>750

HELIS

Greece

AS 332CI Super Puma =10
AB-205 =11
AB-212 =4
A-109 Power =3

turkey

AS 532UL/AL Cougar MKI=14/6=20
UH-IH Heuey =29
UH-ID/H =31
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Greece for its size has an Airforce to defend and if need be counter ANY threat the TuAF brings into the Aegean and the mainland. The Greeks have OWNED the TuAF for decades and will continue to do so when we inevetably order the EF Typhoon this year and the Turds order the Bomb truck F-35! LOL






"if Christiannity and Turkish occupation hadn't stopped the Greek civilization from its advanced progress in mathematics , chemistry and physics the Greeks could have been to space 600 years before the Americans"
(Arthur C. Clarke)

6 words for the Turks to remember:-

Eurofighter TBA (Air dominance fighter)
S-300PMU-1 (unrivalled SAM technology)
SCALP (First Strike capability)
Leopard GR2 (Latest Gen Competitive MBT)
ERIEYE (AEW&C capability)
Type 214 (has AIP technology )

Why dont you add F-5 that Turkey has while you add crappy A-7 as listed?

Do you mean these planes? I'll add them dont worry!








98th Medical Battalion taking positions for combat!

Yeah i remember those Sfakan Ha Ha ...Turds bombed tehir own F-5's


"if Christiannity and Turkish occupation hadn't stopped the Greek civilization from its advanced progress in mathematics , chemistry and physics the Greeks could have been to space 600 years before the Americans"
(Arthur C. Clarke)

6 words for the Turks to remember:-

Eurofighter TBA (Air dominance fighter)
S-300PMU-1 (unrivalled SAM technology)
SCALP (First Strike capability)
Leopard GR2 (Latest Gen Competitive MBT)
ERIEYE (AEW&C capability)
Type 214 (has AIP technology )

2nd September 1994
F-4E-66-MC Phantom Shot down in error by AIM 9L from another Greek F-4E. Crashed into the Aegean Sea off the island of Ariafi, Greece

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Country-By-Country/Greece.htm

Nice !