Which tank is better and why?

I doubt there is a significance difference in capabilities between the two.




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K2 is a generation ahead of the 2A6, it will run circles around the Leo.

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[K2 is a generation ahead of the 2A6, it will run circles around the Leo]

The Leo2A6 has a longer operational range and higher speed... so I highly doubt that. The Leo2 is also lighter.

Generation means nothing.

Until else proven LEO-2A6 is the best.

After all,since now the best S.Korea could do is make a slightly modified Abrams.

U think from that they went to the top?

No tank can defeat the armor levels of the M1 abrams with DU armors unless they themselves use DU

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Adverse, you do have a lot of fate (or should I say faith?) in the M1. I believe you used to be a tanker.


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When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

And who exactly proved that Leo was the best? Both the Abrams and the Leo are dated, they were great designs when they came out but they havent seen any major updates in a long time. T-80U should be a perfect match for the 2A4, and the T-80U is not exactly new.

I dont know why you think Abrams armor is something magical. Top of the line when it came out, but new shells have been introduced since that time.

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The XK2 has more modern systems. It can even divert missiles.

The K2 has a better suspension and I assume some better sensors. The Leopard still has the better motor (Despite having less power) and a better transmission. The gun is essential the same, and the K2 has an unknown composite armour. The Leo uses a composites, tungsten and sandwiching to protect it. The question is if you fire a 125mm APFSDS or Refleks which tank is going to survive ? Both tanks are designed to fight a similar enemy. The Leo the Soviets and the K2 the Commie Koreans.

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The XK2, the Leo2 A6 is an older tank.

F-15 is older than the JF-17. Yet the F-15 is still better.

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For this case it is more like stealth F-15(Leo2A6) vs F-22(XK2)

No, because the F-22 was built by an experienced company that has built cutting edge fighters for year and has a wealth of experience and design knowledge. This is Korea's first attempt at an MBT from the ground up. Lucky for them Thales paired with Samsung to do most of the systems in the tank so I do believe in them. I'm not aware of Korea having a strong turbine engine history, or being famous for hydraulics etc..

Where the Germans are masters of diesel technology and pretty much everything to do wit ha tank and they are really the pioneers of the modern tank as we see it and use it today. Was the Leopard 2 30 years ahead of its time ? No. Is the Leopard 2A6 on par with anything in the world currently yes. But it really has no room left to grow.

The real advantage of the K2 is the suspension system .

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Didn't makers of the M1 tank help the Koreans design the XK2 ?

generations don't exactly matter on tanks as much as say an air platform as tanks have stayed pretty much in the same form for the last 50 years. The only thing differentiating them is their armor, firing system, and engine, and all three of them can be retrofitted on existing tanks to the same effect as building new platforms. With tht said, the m1a2 should still be the most formidable not because it is the best tank but because it is supported by the best assets.

Chrysler had nothing to do with the XK2 program per say. Though the experiences in K1 put the basis down.

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It's like watching myself miniaturized.

We always knew the Leclerc was the best LOL (and it's clone can't be a bad tank)

56 tones, small size, good armor weight per volume, 3 crews, autoloader, huge weigh/power ratio, sophisticated data-link and "avionic", sophisticated hydro-pneumatic suspension...

They are Leclerc, the japanese T-90 and the XK2 and they are a generation on their own.

All the others are only good to maintain order in Tian'anmen (or Bagdad) or for peace'n love

Didn't XK2 got its influence from the K1 ?

so the Leclerc, the japanese T-90 and the XK2 > rest of the tanks ? They should be some new tanks like that ukraine one that can match it up.

the leo is better offcourse, what a stupid discussion, topic can be closed now!






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Give me the 2A6.

I was an infantryman, (radio operator and dragon (missile) gunner)

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even if the french have the greatest tanks or tanks from Mars, they will still surrender before tanks can be used.

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what you mean its a better tank then the L2A6 the tank is still new and we still don't know much about it no point of comparing sorry for destroying your thread by the way to ger_mark you got a black pen1s stuck up your ar$e

By saying that the XK2 is a generation ahead, I suppose its related to the 3 crew and the direct translation to a lighter tank (less internal free space etc etc)

But its remain a purely theorical advantage.