Better than nothing



And a better pic of its AESA



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And they are already testing the 2nd prototype, AND its in Moscow...

http://lenta.ru/news/2009/08/20/fighter/

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with no avionics of any kind installed. Russkaya Avionika said they wont have a prototype flight computer ready until late fall. That's probably why it wasnt shown at MAKS. It's basically an empty shell right now, no engine, no radar, no flight control computer.

looks like a F-14 with slanted rudders.

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actually it looks more like the y/f-23

Except for the nozzle shape.

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Well something is better than nothing.....
Anyways since the Yanks have been out with their version of 5ht gen aircraft for a while now and since we are talking about Russians here, they shouldn't be that far away
Come on my Ruskis comrades!!!

Victory has hundred fathers, but defeat is an orphan!

why do I fear that PAK-FA will be just such a big disapointment ...

they could put that 1500 element AESA into a damn Cessna (assuming it could output enough power to run it) and the damn thing would be plenty lethal.

Disappointment for who? The plane is bound to be an export success and its armed to the teeth. There are fe

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Russian Fighter are always Da Bomb...Us come out with this kind of
technology and abilties...They come out with that kind of technology and
Abilities....Its Like The Viking Vs The Rome...The Rome Is better Looking
but i gues the Viking is far more superior...

The Clock Is Ticking...
And moving to the end...
It will Soon be the time for the Hunter become Hunted...

^^^It's time you stopped drinking

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Russian Fighter are always Da Bomb...

If you mean they drop from the sky like a bomb, you are right!

PS: just a joke our resident russian. No need to be upset.

russian made a lot of aircraft variant..none of them are comparable to the
US? come on f-18 super hornet is the rome Praetorian and the mig-29
is The Viking Beserker...or maybe Cowboy Vs Cossack..,and to
nintendo ..cheers bro..

The Clock Is Ticking...
And moving to the end...
It will Soon be the time for the Hunter become Hunted...

you should be canedo on your arse for drinking. bloody kaffirrrrrrrrrr




colours of Kaziranga

^^ yea and you should be fooked in your arse hool by your priest for
spoking arrogantly
as you are too good for everything you damn Hindoooooooooooooossss..

The Clock Is Ticking...
And moving to the end...
It will Soon be the time for the Hunter become Hunted...

"yea and you should be fooked in your arse hool by your priest for
spoking arrogantly
as you are too good for everything you damn Hindoooooooooooooossss.."

tsk tsk, too bad homo. You lost your 72 virgins, Allah will replace them with 72 homos instead







colours of Kaziranga

I dont loose anything nor virgin or homo...i'm not like you Fn..
When your desire for sexual comes..you go fook everything that have holes..
I bet you've masturbated much using a bottle aint you?...come on..
dont potray your self to me...its disgusting..you bacha...


The Clock Is Ticking...
And moving to the end...
It will Soon be the time for the Hunter become Hunted...

yeah this rusty 0.5 cm batch of an aircraft frintal silouette totally looks like y/f 23






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"When your desire for sexual comes..you go fook everything that have holes.."

Thats y i ............. your head


"I bet you've masturbated much using a bottle aint you?...come on..
dont potray your self to me...its disgusting..you bacha..."

shoot!!! that was a bottle?? I thought it was your pu$$y, no wonder i was wondering how come u have such a tight snatch





colours of Kaziranga

may be

@TOPIC- When will this idiots come out with a prototype??






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Is that actually how it would look like or another wet dreaming artist?

God damn, how long have I been saying this.....? lol

The last two pics were posted on NPO Saturns official website some time ago, but they were removed from the website almost right after being posted....hint hint.

lol, relax broken, I saw the new render on paralay and decided to post it.

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it looks a lot like the f22 accept the engine looks different

4-6 more weeks and the wait should be over. They promised us November and hopefully it wasnt BS.

NPO saturn site cant be trusted, they take some of their pics from the net.

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You can also see some of the similarities here.

It's no F-22 clone. Sukhoi has already said it will carry 12 air to air missiles internally. The F-22 can only carry 6. It is going to be a very big air frame.

Listen dude, this is the f@cking PAK-FA.....trust me, lol, if you were me, you would know.....

you know the strange thing is that when they go head the head you cant even tell if its the f22 or the sukhoi

When this thing is unveiled, Filin and Irkut, you guys are gonna owe me both a case of Russian Vodka, shipped next day mail.

lol, you give me a tour of the burke and you'll get the vodka

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No can do, still in but no more ships for me.

heh, oh well, just a month or so until the PAK-FA and then Im happy

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looks like a cross between F-22 and F-35.

If the PAK-FA comes out how many will India get/order? 30? 40?




colours of Kaziranga

It's no F-22 clone. Sukhoi has already said it will carry 12 air to air missiles internally. The F-22 can only carry 6. It is going to be a very big air frame.

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What where when?? 12 missiles?

"Koniev)
It's no F-22 clone."

Obvious from the winglpan, but the inlets looks a bit like those of the F-22..


"Koniev)
Sukhoi has already said it will carry 12 air to air missiles internally. The F-22 can only carry 6. It is going to be a very big air frame".

Typical Suhkoi; in close combat, looking at it, a Mig-35 is going to run circles around it, it looks more suited for interception...

BTW i laugh not thinking about a Suhkoi video claiming the delta wing to be obsolete...

Good pics anyway.


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Yeah, 12 missiles internally seems like total BS.

@Thunder the video you have in mind, the one I posted yesterday, is not an official video. It's just some civilian putting it together. I know you know that, but just to be 100% certain. It wouldn't be fair to bash Sukhoi over this.



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"Nighthawk00)
I know you know that, but just to be 100% certain. It wouldn't be fair to bash Sukhoi over this".

NO actually i didn't realise that, and you're right bringing this one up, that wouldn't be fair for Sukhoi.


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voila!







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That render made it on Russian "Popular Mechanics"






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Obviously i'll be accused of kissing Russian butts. LOL!

Russian designers are beggining to impress me positively.

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^^^You aren't being accused, you've already been caught cock-in-mouth so it's a known fact

Russian designers are beggining to impress me positively.

Indeed, it copies the F-22 design. So now you realize your Rafale is only good in your world .



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"Russian designers are beggining to impress me positively."


This will be the very first Russian (not Soviet) design in terms of fighters, my French friend... Look at the recent Russian helicopters and airliner design... they are all alike with Western design. One has to wait to the Iron Curtain to fall apart to see the really new Russian design, the Russian spirit...

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You cant possibly think it "copies" the F-22...

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Sure it doesn't "copy", but you sure as hell can't deny the influence.

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a big "IF" that's the real design of the latest sukhoi

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Hew didn't figure that F-22 aerodynamic arrangement are those of the Mig-21 yet, he got his butt fried every time he tries his luck against us, now it's your turn, ignore him he is a total ignorant.

If the US trolls are trashing mad this way it is because they know damned well their aerospace industry is in a nosedive...



Now this is going to EAT F-35 for breakfast IF they manage to dig the programe of the gutter L-M managed to drag it...
Exclusive: New JSF Assessment Affirms Program Requires Billions More, Additional Time

Oct. 22, 2009 -- A new assessment of the Joint Strike Fighter program affirms earlier findings that substantially more money and time are required for the Pentagon's largest acquisition effort, a conclusion that could pose a formidable test of Defense Secretary Robert Gates' recent support for the F-35 program and President Obama's pledge to terminate weapons with bloated price tags

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http://defensenewsstand.com/newsstand_latest.asp






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What influence? Sukhoi had designs for the T-50 long before the F-22 ever took to the skies, what you have there is simply the continuing development of the project.

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""a big "IF""

Read brokens posts, he agrees with me here.

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If the US trolls are trashing mad this way it is because they know damned well their aerospace industry is in a nosedive...

Not slipping like the French industry, for the latest forecast Herve Morin does a good job explaining it

Now this is going to EAT F-35 for breakfast IF they manage to dig the programe of the gutter L-M managed to drag it...

If that's the case then Rafale is a MUCH easier target.

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Why are you guys even debating, no pics of the PAK-FA have come out yet.



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

"NintendoGamer76)
Not slipping like the French industry, for the latest forecast Herve Morin does a good job explaining it"

Sorry SAY AGAIN?

Who designs stuf that breaks up in flight or they can't afford because their design is not good enough LOL!


"NintendoGamer76)
If that's the case then Rafale is a MUCH easier target".

Yeah sure.

Come back when you'll figure what engagement envelop is and why F-22 and Rafale supercruises and are WAY more maneuvrable than F-35.

At this rate the F-35 programe is going to be cancelled, the USA already had to sacrifice F-22 squadrons to sustain it financially, and you're going to troll and cry us trolls rivers over Rafale's and Sukhois sales.

The differeence is we dont CON people as opposed to L-M.


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Sorry SAY AGAIN?

Who designs stuf that breaks up in flight or they can't afford because their design is not good enough LOL!

Really? Who designs a land based carrier that spends more time in dock than at sea? LOL. Not to mention it recently averted a catastrophe.


Yeah sure.

Come back when you'll figure what engagement envelop is and why F-22 and Rafale supercruises.

Yea Rafale might supercruise on paper but reality is Singapore was highly unimpressed with it's performances. Come back when Dassault doesn't BS it's customers about it's capabilities.

According to Defence Analysis and Flight Daily News, the Singapore evaluation also reportedly revealed problems with Rafale's reliability and availability, and that the aircraft failed to demonstrate claimed radar performance or its claimed ability to supercruise. Singapore was also reportedly unimpressed by Rafale's much vaunted "Omni role" capability. "Show us, properly" was said to have been the reaction, according to Defence Analysis.

http://www.electronicaviation.com/aircraft/Dassault_Rafale/819

At this rate the F-35 programe is going to be cancelled, the USA already had to sacrifice F-22 squadrons to sustain it financially, and you're going to troll and cry us trolls rivers over Rafale's and Sukhois sales.

Sure, we can talk when Dassault secures a sale for Rafale. Until then, let's not mention cancellations, the A400M is riddled with it's own share of problems.

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"Yaguarete_AR)
they are all alike with Western design."

If you start learning aircraft design and aerodynamics you will figure that there are known solutions which are working together or not, these are called arrangements.

To an extend, it doesn't matter if the design is Russian or American or French, variations that keep working aren't that many, all of them have to obbey to the same rules and at the end of the day, two computers might well come up with similar (if not identical) solutions.

Look at F-22, it is a croped tailed DELTA and the Russians designed these decades ago with Mig-21 and Sukhoi Flagons, what the US designers added to it is irrelevant.

So braging about "Russian or Chinese copying the US" is the troll's wet nicker's habit not reality, in reality most designs have already been explored by most manufacturers and most variations of them too.

As for myslef i still have to see the US coming with a non-conservative design in operation since the F-106...

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Your source BOY, is a CON for FAGGOTS and fanboyz like yourself.

HERE is an article from a serious publication...

Singapore Mindef DENIED having EVER leaked any informations of this competition btw.

Look at YOU, we post proper information you only can dig shr!te links to unsubstantiated source of unknown writers of unsigned articles.

This is WHY you're such a RETARD.



"Really? Who designs a land based carrier that spends more time in dock than at sea? LOL. Not to mention it recently averted a catastrophe".

SHOW US. We're still waiting.



"Sure, we can talk when Dassault secures a sale for Rafale. Until then, let's not mention cancellations, the A400M is riddled with it's own share of problems".

Not long to wait and more postponing of F-35 commitments either...

No Danish Fighter Decision in 2009, Postponed Until 2010
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/109314/denmark-postpones-fighter-decision-to-2010.html



"Until then, let's not mention cancellations, the A400M is riddled with it's own share of problems".

EADS got what they deserves, like L-M and Dassault doesn't have this design skills and competence problem. BOY.

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i think thunder would be dumb enough to think that this picture was real

As a computer graphic technician doing CG simulations i can't spot CG work for a conceiptual design. RETARD!

Boy you're in great need of company but look to as dumb as yourself before looking at me.

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You are all wrong....it will look like this!


I Hail The Flag

Holiwood.

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"
As a computer graphic technician doing CG simulations i can't spot CG work for a conceiptual design. RETARD!
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i though you were civil pilot, rescue pilot, aircraft engineer, expert for french military producement agency and uni professor (part time).

i see that you once again expanded your busiiness aereas, good for you!

I see you're stupider than i thaught, good for you.

Not everyone lacks in education.

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"To an extend, it doesn't matter if the design is Russian or American or French, variations that keep working aren't that many, all of them have to obbey to the same rules and at the end of the day, two computers might well come up with similar (if not identical) solutions. "

I think thunder's comment here summarizes an issue thats recurring. Unless your the chinese, no one's really stealing anyones designs, the similarites are unintentional they're merely related through applied science of aerodynamics

"Unless your the chinese"

Lots of nations did reverse-engineering at some point of their history depending on their immediat need.

China is now fully capable of designing and producing indigenous fighters, although i'm not sure about engines since i canot SEE the details as one would for the aircrafts.

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