http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/indias_first_stealth_fighter_to_fly_soon.php




In less than four months from now, India's first stealth fighter will fly for the first time. It is called the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft or FGFA being developed in Russia by Sukhoi.

The FGFA is designed to have a top speed of approximately Mach 2, or twice the speed of sound.

It has the ability to supercruise or operate at speeds beyond the speed of sound without engaging systems such as afterburners which consume huge amounts of fuel.

The aircraft will be equipped with an electronically scanned array radar whose beams are electronically steered to detect targets with maximum accuracy.

India, which has partnered Russia in the development of multi-role fighter Sukhoi 30 MKI, is a key player in the FGFA project and is expected to pay a sizeable chunk of the $3 billion needed to fund development of the fighter.

"The prototype will take off this year," said Alexei Fedorov, president of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation.

Several of the technologies being developed for the stealth fighter have evolved from those used in the Sukhoi 30 MKI.

Considered the most maneuverable fighter in the world, the Sukhoi 30 MKI uses thrust vectored engines which deflect the exhaust from its engines to extreme angles which enable the jet to pull off violent maneuvers like a flat spin where the jet literally spins around on its axis.

As new technological advancements are being developed for the stealth fighter, they will also find their way into the Sukhoi 30.

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FAAKHER E CHAAMB

it has the ability to supercruise or operate at speeds beyond the speed of sound without engaging systems such as afterburners which consume huge amounts of fuel.


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FAAKHER E CHAAMB

The Su-35 supercruises too.

This is Indian ?

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This is the PAK-FA which India has helped finance.

superractive india media and hyperactive paklets. deadly combo . its nothing but the much talked PAK FA .

SURRENDER OF PAKI ARMY IN 1971
1N 1971 A NEW HISTORY AS WELL AS A NEW NATION WAS CREATED BY WE THE INDIANS..

$3B for development huh, that's not much.



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This is as stealthy as the F-22 ?

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The animal world

well no one is  sure if it is as stealthy as F22 or not . but since Usa is not exporting it to any one and india is not going to declare war on Usa any time soon it does not matter to us . For russia situation may be a bit  different .

one thing is sure it will be a great fighter plane.

SURRENDER OF PAKI ARMY IN 1971
1N 1971 A NEW HISTORY AS WELL AS A NEW NATION WAS CREATED BY WE THE INDIANS..

It'll cost more than 3 Billion, just wait.


Whoever said winning isn't everything must be a loser...

its modified SU30, thats it...some retrofitted gadgets ..

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A modified SU-30 is hardly consider as stealth unless its exterior body is very different than a regular SU-30

Maybe a better question is: What can be done with $3B?
Can the Russians design a totally new airframe, a brand new AESA radar, a new EW suit, a new targeting POD, a new engine etc with just $3B?



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For stealth fighter maintenance cost / F22/ Hr maintenance is 44,000 US dollars. 3Billion dollar may sufficient enough for Russian to make something for India. But not anything matchable to F22 or F35.

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The main difference between the Indian Varient and the Russian varient of the PAK-FA is that the Indian one is 2 Seater and will have some India Specific Avionics/Sensors.

The 2 seater prototype will fly 4 months after the Single seater (which will be in december)..



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3 billion ,,, lol

last i heard that cost of development is 20 billion+

SURRENDER OF PAKI ARMY IN 1971
1N 1971 A NEW HISTORY AS WELL AS A NEW NATION WAS CREATED BY WE THE INDIANS..

3 billion ,,, lol

last i heard that cost of development is 20 billion+
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1. Are we talking about USD?
2. If so, can you provide a source?



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

The Russia version will fly later this year, the Indian version is still years away. The Indians did not contribute to the development of PAK-FA, however they will contribute at least monetarily to the development of their PAK-FA version which should offset the cost of the entire project

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eric@
yup its 20 billion $ ,, but i cant back up my claim with a source. i m trying

SURRENDER OF PAKI ARMY IN 1971
1N 1971 A NEW HISTORY AS WELL AS A NEW NATION WAS CREATED BY WE THE INDIANS..

Like the Su-30MKI deal, the Indian airforce funds part development of Pakfa twinseater and pays for modifications, which will include Russian, Israeli and Indian avonics. The Pak-fa airframe itself will have most in common with Su-27 and family. While the outside has been radically modified, to include internal weapons, the Pak-fa will mostly use external stores for dropping iron. While india is funding the development of airframes, some of the cost will be exported to third parties. The result will be a drastically imporved Pak-fa airframe but doesn't use Soviet or Russian networks or jammers. India will paint it in it's colors in due time.
The indian pakfa is most likily going to cost more. Some of the work on the aircraft is already offshored back to India for a international market. While the Russian varient is cheaper, its mean't for Russia to work with the spares and machines they have now, which means its more cost effective for Russia, or any air force with considerable Su-27 maintanence lines.
While the indian version will be more expensive it would do a lot more demanding tasks including crossing oceans.

I was going to post this in another thread but i'm lazy. If you have been watching defence trade between Russia and India you'd notice a simple trend. When India purchases russian ware they buy the airframes and have third parties involved and in mind when building the airframes. The curren't assembly line in Russia that builds MKI handles greater foriegn demand. Something or the other is modified. Almost always true. Some like the T-90 is downgraded...i don't think T90 was ever sold with the full bells and wistles. But thats the point. What is more advanced isn't always more cost effiecent. The T-90s are nothing but T-72s modernized and when purchased customized. The are cost effective tanks. 1.2 million is the estimated cost. China's most expensive tank costs only2.4 million. But that tank too is a modernized T-72. T99 tanks have a bigger chasis to accomadate the bigger engine. it isn't shaped like a t72 turret but it is almost the same design with its flaws carried over. Say what ever you will about the T-99, its not that menacing alone. likewise for T90s or T72s. T80 probabily was a better tank than these. They are not best suited for antitank warfare. ATGM, artllery and iron bombs could stop a armourd thrust. These tanks are cost effective mobile artillery. The modern western tanks, where mean't to survive second generation ATGM and small artillery fire. They have met their requirments and cost a lot more but they do the job. A M1A1 tank was not going to be stoped by a simple land mine,mortors,rpg or T-72. To some extent, tanks are supposed to attract enemy weapons, becuase they push and behind them follor NATO foot soldiers who don't want to hit a land mine and need a big gun for the enemies on the hill. NATO was ready for the short and medium term, but the Soviet Union planned for a Long Term WWIII. T90 is good tank but its not great. It was suppose to be a economic or simple solution. It is still Russias best tank because of the cost and does what a T80 does easily. The T-80 structure is great but technology has shortened the gap with the two tanks. China is just expermenting with its tanks. They don't seem to care about the tank and want the cheapest solution. I see added armor and the occasional change is protection suites. I'm assuming PLA is happy they have great engine and a decent gun. Right now, PLA seems to be putting effort in disastor managment and infastructure. They want airborne troops and vechiles.

3bilion is only india's share, Russia's share should be much bigger, so 20 bilions seems logical

Russia can milk as much money out of India as they want because Russia is the only country capable of developing a fighter of this class for India. The states have the F-35 but thats not a PAK-FA equivalent fighter and uncle sam isn't letting anyone have the F-22. Europe has no equivalent to the PAK-FA/F-22 and China's J-XX is exclusive to PLAAF. If India wants a heavy weight, twin engine 5th gen fighter then it'll have to stick with the Russians and pay up.


Whoever said winning isn't everything must be a loser...

This "Stealth"-"Fighter" is going to look like an SU27 clone and it won't have any parts at it's first flight but that will be explained away as they would be "easy" to change.

Maybe India should finish it's 20 year old fighter project first?

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Russia can't milk India. The pockets funding Pakfa need India. India has choices, they could buy F-35 which would do a lot more for India being multirole, or simply wait and buy whats on the market or have the market develop a solution for you. In this case, Russia hinted towards a partner. India was a logical solution and business has proved that. But this time, India has aircraft design and manufacturing experience and in certian areas shadow there once idols. India is not being milked, there are cost escalations and the real cost is unkown. India has many nations to fill tenders. Britian, France, Germany, Russia, Israel, US, South Africa etc.. Even considering the price of the Groshkov, its still a good deal otherwise the Indian Navy would have hinted towards a nother solution a long time ago.
SUch is not the case for China. They get milked!

what is India's obsession with twin seaters? why cant they simply phuckin buy wat is oiffered?






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Russia may be delighted to have india as a cost sharing partner, with cheap, english speaking labor, top level software engineers, access to world market for systems hardware.
th SU 30 MKI maybe a good base for real size prototyping in copying the F22 with wings-body soft transition, non-vertical & non-perpendicular surfaces, internal bay, etc.
moreover, the russians have plenty of dry power without AB in their jet engines, which is not yet available from european suppliers

"top level software engineers"

lol...Call centers don't mean software....lol


EDS: acquired by HP in 2008....Estimated 2008 revenue is US$22 billion

IBM: 2008 global technology services revenue US$39 billion; 2008 global business services revenue US$20 billion; 2008 software revenue US$22 billion;

Computer Science Corp: 2008 revenue US$16.7 billion

Accenture: 2008 revenue US$25.3 billion

Perot Systems: 2008 revenue US$2.8 billion

Microsoft: 2008 revenue US$60 billion

IBM software: 2008 revenue US$22 billion

Oracle: 2008 revenue US$22.4 billion

SAP: 2008 revenue US$16 billion

Adobe: 2008 revenue US$3.6 billion

CA: 2008 revenue US$4.3 billion

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Satyam: 2008 revenue of US$2.1 billion (and much is faked, lol)

Infosys: 2008 revenue US$4.6 billion

Wipro: 2008 revenue US$4.9 billion

Tata Consultancy: 2008 revenue US$5 billlion


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as expected chingloo malaka really dont care much for poor indians  

any way how many of the above companies r owned by chingloos

SURRENDER OF PAKI ARMY IN 1971
1N 1971 A NEW HISTORY AS WELL AS A NEW NATION WAS CREATED BY WE THE INDIANS..

India has choices, they could buy F-35 which would do a lot more for India being multirole
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India will not be able to buy the F-35 before a very long time.



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

""lol...Call centers don't mean software.""

ROFL, true.

""Computer Science Corp: 2008 revenue US$16.7 billion

Accenture: 2008 revenue US$25.3 billion

Perot Systems: 2008 revenue US$2.8 billion

Microsoft: 2008 revenue US$60 billion

IBM software: 2008 revenue US$22 billion

Oracle: 2008 revenue US$22.4 billion

SAP: 2008 revenue US$16 billion

Adobe: 2008 revenue US$3.6 billion

CA: 2008 revenue US$4.3 billion ""

And every one of them can attribute a sizeable percentage of their income to their Indian operations. I work right next to the IBM Accenture and Adobe buildings...should see the size of the accenture building lol, you'd crap yourself!

IBM employs 50,000 people in India, Accenture employs more people in India than they do in America, SAP came to my college looking for techies, Oracle came for DBA's...these companies employs tens of thousands of people, not all of them are in call centres LOL!




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So, it proves India defence industry is total failure...now they are asking others to make them planes ...lolzz....mother Russia will for sure sell them something old and ask for more money for latest modification...lolzz

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