Re: French Caesar 155mm Artillery Proves Its Worth in Afghanistan
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September 7 2009, 2:30 PM
It's good to see US and French troops side-by-side again
EDIT: Another note: It seems the ACU is pretty effective in Afghanistan, I know it wasn't worth a damn in Iraq. We stuck out like sore thumbs in the palm groves :P
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September 7 2009, 5:38 PM
Well my question might be silly but i think its easier to locate and kill insurgents with Gunships
or light attack aircraft but how are u gonna do this with artillery?
I mean a squad of 10 Talibans might be here and after 2 minutes be 1 km away.
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September 7 2009, 6:21 PM
i question the use of heavy artillery against a small, mobile and flexible force.
Gunships, motars, light artillery and SF and airborne troops are probably the key assets one would use.
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September 7 2009, 6:27 PM
Gunships aren't always available, mortars have limited firepower and range, SF and airborne troops are in a diffrent category......
Caesar is basically a 155mm. FH strapped to a armored truck, hey, its more mobile then say a M198, so why not have that asset available.
You guys seem to forget that the Taliban love to use everything from 82mm. mortars to 122mm. rockets on FOB's in Afghanistan, good, you shoot a few 107mm. rockets at my camp, and I'll take my Ducth PzH 2000 and lob a few rounds on your Jihadi ass. Plus artillery is a force multiplier, not only for offensive operations(the Taliban do have strongholds, you know), but also defensive, if the Taliban are launching a direct fire assault against your FOB, nothing can change the tide of the battle more then a few well placed artillery rounds.
Plus its always good to shoot a few rounds over into the Paki border...
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September 7 2009, 6:42 PM
The most common rocket deployed by the insurgents is the Chinese 107mm. rounds or knock offs, but you do see Grad derived rockets as well from systems like the 9K132 Grad-P, also a lot of 82mm. mortars, 120mm. mortars are for the most part too cumbersome for the insurgency, who have to use shoot and scoot tactics, otherwise they will get a round from something like the Caesar on there head. So while we may not always hit them, it does kill the chances they have to use sustained in-direct fire.
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September 8 2009, 12:12 AM
What`s the point of using artillery against insurgents that move all the time and have no tanks IFVs or
bunkers?
The Taliban have no bunkers? That's news. You should tell all the soldiers in Afghanistan that, it would save a lot of their time which is currently spent clearing Taliban bunkers.
Artillery is pretty bloody effective in Afghanistan. Who cares if the Taliban moves - there's always a ground soldier with eyes on calling in the fire exactly where its needed. A couple of 155 rounds on target will end pretty much every fight in Afghanistan - as soon as Apaches rock up or artillery starts to land, the Taliban pack up and go home. They no they can't fight that.
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September 8 2009, 10:19 AM
i question the use of heavy artillery against a small, mobile and flexible force.
Gunships, motars, light artillery and SF and airborne troops are probably the key assets one would use.
It all boils down to intelligence. Both French and US forces have very good intelligence which feed information in real time. If you detect the taliban and the Caesar is within range, the result is the Taliban getting blasted into tiny pieces with HE shells. Caesar is actually ideal for this kind of war as it is extremely mobile and can cross rivers etc unassited.
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September 8 2009, 12:35 PM
Caesar is actually ideal for this kind of war as it is extremely mobile and can cross rivers etc unassited
How many raging rivers do you think there are in Afghanistan? The mobility of any arty piece is pretty much irrelevant in Afghanistan, as all guns just sit in their FOB punching out bombs and never go anywhere. It's not exactly a mobile war. The US, UK and Canada just have towed guns in country, which are doing just fine as they never have to go anywhere.
The biggest advantage of Caesar is its 52-calibre ordinance, which outranges the 39-calibre ordinance of the M777 when punching bombs downrange. Only the PZH-2000 matches this capability in country.
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September 8 2009, 4:38 PM
caesar can only cover a very thin angle infront of the vehicle
if the enemy gets out of this angle they hhave to move the whole caesar car
this sucks ass
it also sucks ass that they have to reload the gun outside and without protection, sucks especially in afghanistan where taliban jump out of every earth hole
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September 8 2009, 8:19 PM
if the enemy gets out of this angle they hhave to move the whole caesar car
this sucks ass
It also sucks ass that they have to reload the gun outside and without protection, sucks especially in afghanistan where taliban jump out of every earth hole
But perhaps, you forget the fact that the truck is supposed to be quite far away from the front.
So, protection or not, Caesar or Archer, you wouldn't last long versus two talibans with a RPG.
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September 8 2009, 10:40 PM
if the enemy gets out of this angle they hhave to move the whole caesar car
this sucks ass
it also sucks ass that they have to reload the gun outside and without protection, sucks especially in afghanistan where taliban jump out of every earth hole
The Caesar is no different to towed guns - they have to be moved to fire in a different arc as well. It really doesn't matter all that much.
The lack of protection for the crew isn't a problem either. Since they only fire out of FOBs and secure areas, there are no 'Taliban jumping out of holes' there. The only threat from the Taliban is rockets and mortars, and they aren't anywhere near accurate enough for counter-battery fire. The US, UK and Canada only used towed guns which have less protection than a Caesar without any dramas.
You two are so qualified you should apply for a job with the French MoD considering that you know better than they do.
Stop being so friggin sensitive you big girl.
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September 9 2009, 5:49 AM
That's a nice lookin' rig. Light, mobile, relatively cheap but still and effective way of laying down a barrage of serious impact.
I am a big fan of the tired/wheeled vehicle in the modern battlefield. It definitely has it's place but too many misunderstand it since it doesn't look like a "tank" to them which equals "ineffective" in their mind.
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That's a nice lookin' rig. Light, mobile, relatively cheap but still and effective way of laying down a barrage of serious impact".
Well considering the experience acquiered by AdT with the 155 AUF1 (actually deployed in Lebanon with the FINUL) i think AdT knew what they are getting themself into.
"JoeinTX)
I am a big fan of the tired/wheeled vehicle in the modern battlefield. It definitely has it's place but too many misunderstand it since it doesn't look like a "tank" to them which equals "ineffective" in their mind".
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Sampaix, Sarge is in the Australian army and I kind of agree with what he said. It is true there's not many rivers in Afghanistan".
According to him no wheeled vehicles deployed by the French are suitable for this terrain regardless, being in the Australian Army doesn't provide him with the authority to compare US and French equipement he never seen before.
The river's thing is new to his comments and if he knew Afganistan that little better he'd know that after the winter there are not so many countries as muddy as this one expecially at the altitude the French foces are deployed.
Don't go telling me snow actually doesn't melt in Afganistan...
Considering the years of experience of these forces in this terrain, with VAB and AMX-10 P deployements (wheeled and tracked), DGA recent choice of the VBCI to replace the 10 P, i think they know exactly what the real off-road capabilties of the Caesar is, while we have NO informations on it yet, their choices desagree with his analysis.
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September 9 2009, 11:48 AM
Whatever Thunder.
According to him no wheeled vehicles deployed by the French are suitable for this terrain regardless, being in the Australian Army doesn't provide him with the authority to compare US and French equipement he never seen before.
Find me one quote where I said that. What I said was Tracks are always going to better for outright terrain crossing capability. If you want to be able to cross muddy/snowy terrain or get around the mountains, tracks are better than wheels. If you want to drive fast or long distances with far less maintenance, than wheels are the way to go. . Which is 100% true.
Now my current job is commanding half a dozen 15-tonne 8-wheeled armoured vehicles. I deployed in the these vehicles to the deserts of Iraq. I am well aware of the capabilities of wheeled AFVs and that they are suitable for Afghanistan, where I will almost certainly deploy next year in either 4 or 8 wheeled armoured vehicles. However wheeled vehicles are not suitable for all tasks - tracked vehicles maintain superior cross country mobility, which is particularly evident in the wet season in Iraq and Afghanistan, where wheeled vehicles get bogged far more often than tracked vehicles. I've had to dig my own vehicle out of a bog often enough to understand that.
The river's thing is new to his comments and if he knew Afganistan that little better he'd know that after the winter there are not so many countries as muddy as this one expecially at the altitude the French foces are deployed.
You're a fool Thunder. Muddy terrain is the terrain that wheeled vehicles are least suitable for, especially round bound vehicles like the Caesar. Now this may confuse you so pay attention - that doesn't matter in Afghanistan, as the arty pieces only sit on their FOBs and don't have to cross muddy ground etc to do their job. It wouldn't matter if the Caesae itself had good cross country performance anyway, as the real sticking point with artillery is transporting the ammunition. There is no point having a gun with good cross country mobiility if the ammuntion gets delivered in normal trucks, which is usually the case.
The funny thing is, in this thread I was supporting the Caesar, and you were just plain too dumb to notice it.
Everyone else can see it clearly though, and can see just as clearly that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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"If you want to be able to cross muddy/snowy terrain or get around the mountains, tracks are better than wheels".
Sure, we all know that France is the only country in the world where technologic progresses are made backward and that our troops have less experience over these kinds of terrains than Australia's.
The day you will have tested a VBCI in muddy/snowy terrain come back to us, for the time being i trust our experts over your opinions any time.
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September 9 2009, 12:12 PM
the maginot line was also a great idea by the french, worked out perfectly
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September 9 2009, 1:11 PM
Sure, we all know that France is the only country in the world where technologic progresses are made backward and that our troops have less experience over these kinds of terrains than Australia's.
The day you will have tested a VBCI in muddy/snowy terrain come back to us, for the time being i trust our experts over your opinions any time.
Have YOU tested a VBCI in muddy or snowy conditions? How about a Puma? Or a CV-90? Or a Bradley? Or a Warrior? Or an ASCOD?
Why do you think that technology advances in wheeled vehicles but not in tracked vehicles? Or are the Puma/CV-90 etc immune to increases in technology too? Modern tracked vehicles have improved too, and still maintain their advantages over wheeled vehicles in regards to cross country pergormance.
Here's a challenge, try to find one person - just one single person - who agrees with you that tracked vehicles aren't better in mud/snow than wheeled vehicles, then get back to me. I bet you can't do it.
You continue to display a complete ignorance over matters pertaining to armoured vehicles Thunder.
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September 9 2009, 5:15 PM
The funny thing about this idiot Thunder is, he'll read any article and believe it's word without question, but won't take the word's from actual armored soldiers with experience as credible. What's even funnier is how he pretends to know anything about armored vehicles when his specialty is the Rafale. Ignorant fool.
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September 9 2009, 6:20 PM
actually theres a video of a vbci on the net where its stuck in the mud (no road it sunk within untouched grass)
anyways tracked vehicles clearly go better through rough terrain
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AGAIN this is a tourbiere and even a tracked vehicle would have falled in these holes, for someone who pretend to be in the Army as a "Tankist" you know very little of the terrain...
Now go google the word Tourbiere to complete your education, you just proved what an ineducated troll you are, FAKE!
BTW this VBCI had broken down, NOT making your case the slightest.
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September 9 2009, 8:15 PM
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AGAIN this is a tourbiere and even a tracked vehicle would have falled in these holes, for someone who pretend to be in the Army as a "Tankist" you know very little of the terrain...
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LoL very funny since its being pulled out by a 40 year old amx-10 (wich is being replaced by the VBCI)
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Have YOU tested a VBCI in muddy or snowy conditions? How about a Puma? Or a CV-90? Or a Bradley? Or a Warrior? Or an ASCOD?"
Because according to YOU DGA would select this vehicle to replace the AMX-10 P without doing just this?
You're taking this p!ss taking habit increasingly with your dayly posts.
Admit that you have absolutly NO idea of: 1) The selection process of DGA. 2) VBCI performances in this sort of terrain.
Something else, AGAIN:
We have these terrains by the bucket in France, the day you undersdtand that the Alpes are the highest west European mountains you'd be worth talking about terrain with.
France have more experience of this than most European countries bar the Italians and Swiss considering the Alps are shared between the three of us.
"SargeAUS)
You continue to display a complete ignorance over matters pertaining to armoured vehicles Thunder".
Speak for yourself, guys like you can't see further away than their US @ss kissing habits...
Reason why you have no weapon industry worth mentioning and hardly can speak of what you DONT KNOW.
Enjoy the Tigers, i'm sure they'll serve you as good as the Mirage III did.
PS the way you spoke of Afganistan terrain just was what i needed to know that you know little about it.
My ex-flat mate comes back from deployement with the British Paras there, i got friends married with Afgans, some of them who were there even before the Russian invasion with Medecin Sans Frontiere, so i know about the conditions above 2000 m for a long time and how the valleys are flooded with MUD.
Have a nice day.
"GER_Mark)
LoL very funny since its being pulled out by a 40 year old amx-10 (wich is being replaced by the VBCI)"
Sure appart for two things; it's NOT and AMX-10 but a 30, it didn't try to follow the same path for obvious reasons and the VBCI engine is not working either.
You trolls should leave your keyboards and actually get out, get there and try to have a life other than writing manures in the net.
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September 9 2009, 8:30 PM
" the day you undersdtand that the Alpes are the highest west European mountains you'd be worth talking about terrain with, France have mor eexperience of this than most European countries bar the Italians and Swiss considering the Alps are shared between the three of us. "
LoL great...
especially switzerland
they use real ifv's, cv90, wheeled armored cars such as vbci are being used as apc's
german army does use the same mix but with puma and boxer gtk
at the end it only means that france wont have any "real" ifv's in the future
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September 9 2009, 8:32 PM
Keep coming up with your usual BS. For one, that terrain is not a problem for most tracked vehicles, i'd have a fun time in my M1 actually . Two, now you claim somehow the vehicle broke down when in the "Tracks vs Wheels" thread you said "for all we know it could have run out of fuel or broke down".. Three, i got this video from militaryphotos.net, the original thread, which cited the vbci was stuck and needed assist, which is quite evident just by watching the video. Last but not least, i dont need to prove my service to a wannabe Ada pilot. I dont know how things run in the French Army but, in the US Army if i were to run out of fuel even during training, i would suffer major consequences along with my TC being written up for a counselling statement. That was made very clear to me on day 1 of field training. You can continue your ignorance all you like, your alone in this one.
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Keep coming up with your usual BS. For one, that terrain is not a problem for most tracked vehicles, i'd have a fun time in my M1 actually"
Really? LOL So tell us what a tourbiere is for fun.
You're a FAKE, a troll and a flamer your M-1 would get bogged down in this the very SAME way i can tell WHY, now tell us where you find tourbiere to drive your "M1" over...
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September 9 2009, 10:15 PM
Once again Thunder you have absolutely everyone in this thread saying you are full of crap. Sound familiar?
The funny thing is I was part of a trial for Land400, which is the program to replace all armoured vehicles in the Australian Army. One thing they were looking at was whether wheeled vehicles coule replace tracked vehicles in the IFV role. After getting ASLAV after ASLAV stuck in mud in a wet Puckapunyal winter tring to assault simulated defensive positions, they decided that wheels were a bad idea for close combat vehicles, which is why Land400 will buy a tracked IFV but wheeled CFV/mobility vehicle.
Interestingly, at the same time they had both a PZH-2000 and K-9 Thunder down at Pucka tearing up the range during a trial for Land17. They were racing the Abrams cross country as an automotive trial. They didn't get bogged once.
Of course, none of this compares to someone who can look up youtube and has had friends married to Afghans(?), but whatever.
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Absolutly everyone haven't been working for DGA and knows nothing about our equipement.
AGAIN i take our expert opinions vs absolutly every posters in the WAFF including YOU, expecially after your repeated atempts into trying to imply you know better than AdT and DGA.
Don't even try.
"eAUS)
Of course, none of this compares to someone who can look up youtube and has had friends married to Afghans(?), but whatever".
They know something about the terrain that you boyz DONT.
Pretending there is no rivers there is funny to say the least.
There are glaciers there boy, and it is one of the most difficult terrains during the winter and spring, as for my friend he just return from deployement with the British Paras, where the FCUK have you been when he was there during the winter?
But obviously you arrogant US valet can brag about what you don't know in concert with the fakes posing for tankists and posting little videos of broken-down VBCI pretending their "M1" would laughing in a tourbiere without even knowing what it is and that they go over 70* slope with them everyday. Blah-di-blah...
The usual WAFFER's cretinism.
The ponly reason your army uses tracked vehicles is because you can't get your hands on a good wheeled vehicle, we CAN, we build them.
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Keep those VBCIs coming!
Posted by Nicholas Fiorenza at 12/22/2008 11:06 AM CST
Nexter's Véhicule Blindé de Combat d'Infanterie (VBCI) armored infantry fighting vehicle program has received another boost.
The Délégation Générale d'Armement (DGA), the French defense procurement agency, has ordered an additional 116 VCBIs, the French Ministry of Defense announced last week. This brings the total number of VBCIs ordered to 298, 41 of which have been delivered so far.
Photo: DGA
Nearly a decade after withdrawing from the program to develop a modular armored vehicle with Germany and the UK, France is the only country so far to have begun production of an offshoot of the original project. The UK later pulled out of the other offshoot, the Multi-Role Armored Vehicle (MRAV), which has since become the Dutch-German Boxer, production of which is expected to begin soon.
Both VBCI and Boxer lost the competition for the UK's Future Rapid Effect System (FRES) utility vehicle to General Dynamics' Piranha, but the future of that program is now in doubt.
France's withdrawal from the three-nation modular armored vehicle program embittered its German and British industrial partners but the French army looks like it will come out the winner.
If i recall properly, i was told by "everyone else" that no one else than France was procuring wheeled VPC...
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Once again Thunder you have absolutely everyone in this thread saying you are full of crap. Sound familiar?"
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September 9 2009, 10:50 PM
There are glaciers there boy, and it is one of the most difficult terrains during the winter and spring, as for my friend he just return from deployement with the British Paras, where the FCUK have you been when he was there during the winter?
Where have I been this winter? I have been on my mandatory 12 month stand-down after deployment, before I get deployed to Afghanistan next year. Congratulations though for somehow trying to imply that an armoured combat soldier with combat experience in the middle east is somehow less knowledgeable that a man who has a 'friend' who's just been deployed.
BTW, if your friend is a Royal Marine, he would have been deployed to Helmand in the south, where British, US, Canadians, Australians, Dutch, and Danish operate out of. He would not have been deployed to the North of the country where the French operate from.
Will it help my chances if I add that I have probably two dozen mates currently deployed to Afghanistan, who I talk to on a daily basis? Or do only your mates count in an argument?
The ponly reason your army uses tracked vehicles is because you can't get your hands on a good wheeled vehicle, we CAN, we build them
Actually, my Army uses far more wheeled AFVs than tracked IFVs. Our wheeled IFVs have been continuously deployed on operations since 1999 in Timor, Iraq and Afghanistan. They have proven to be particularly popular and exclellent pieces of kit. In that time our tracked vehicles haven't been deployed further afield than Timor. None of that changes the fact that tracked AFVs are better at cross country mobility than wheeled vehicles.
BTW, thiee French wheeled AFVs you brag about are so good that they were beaten by the Piranha V in the MODs competition. Better luck next time champ.
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September 9 2009, 10:50 PM
Really? LOL So tell us what a tourbiere is for fun.
So why don't you elaborate for us what exactly a "tourbiere" is Thunder? Is it a ditch? Pot hole? I'm not gonna pretend i know what that word means, but judging by the video and looking at the terrain, most definitely it would be no problem for most tracked vehicles.
You're a FAKE, a troll and a flamer your M-1 would get bogged down in this the very SAME way i can tell WHY, now tell us where you find tourbiere to drive your "M1" over...
Before you call someone a fake, how about you actually get some info about that person before you make judgments. I said it before and i'll say it again, i can actually prove my service. I still have my Army ID, Uniforms, Pictures, Awards and hell, even my commanders number. To top it off, i was deployed to Iraq from May 2007- July 2008 OIF-V (SargeAUS happened to be there at the same time as me) so he can perfectly validate if I'm a fake or not, so go ahead, try me.
But obviously you arrogant US valet can brag about what you don't know in concert with the fakes posing for tankists and posting little videos of broken-down VBCI pretending their "M1" would laughing in a tourbiere without even knowing what it is and that they go over 70* slope with
For one, if you're gonna mention anyone by their job title, you better get it right moron. It's Tanker not "Tankist", understand? Two, you call anyone you're against a fake or a poser just cause they don't like you/disagree with you. Three, you still haven't found anyone supporting your argument have you? Just like every other thread, you're alone, a direct reflection of your sad normal life as well.
A proper soldier would know what the tourbe is and BTW it's NOT any tourbiere either but i noticed that you got caught braging again about what you don't know, your usual fat mouthed noises...
Go get owned where people don't have experience, you'll looks less stupid.
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September 9 2009, 11:07 PM
When the going get though knowledge talks and you know far too little, invent much to much to make an impression.
Easy to say for someone who's never had the knowledge or experience themselves.
Already done, but as usual you don't bother learning reason for your ignorance and stupidity, you're a damned LIAR pretending doing stuff with a M1 even it is proven it can't be done.
By your definition of what a tourbe(?) is, it sounds just like a ditch, a deep hole. Yea, call me a damned LIAR when i have actual proven experience, which you never had in the Ada or the French Military PERIOD. You're just a troll, a civilian with a huge ego. Always have been, always will be.
A proper solider would know what the tourbe is and BTW it's NOT any tourbiere either but i noticed that you got caught braging again about what you don't knowe, your usual fat mouthed noises...
A proper soldier in the French Army may know wtf that is, but we speak English here in the US Army
Go get owned where people don't have experience, you'll looks less stupid.
Maybe you should tell that to yourself cause all you have for experience are a bunch of links and magazine cutouts.
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By your definition of what a tourbe(?) is, it sounds just like a ditch, a deep hole. Yea, call me a damned LIAR when i have actual proven experience, which you never had in the Ada or the French Military PERIOD. You're just a troll, a civilian with a huge ego. Always have been, always will be".
The tourbiere is a ground which burns like coal when dried.
The French had the habit of digging deep holes as deep as 50 ft in these fields, so your "M1" would be as good there as on a mine field, go over the holes and you're gone.
They are filled with water, covered with grass and are generally close to each other meaning if you got ANY vehicle over a hole it would collapse and you'd only have water under tracks or wheels, as for this youtube video boy it only shows a broken down vehicle.
If you had ever SEEN one tourbiere you would have been able to reconise it from the vid you posted.
You're fat mouther boy, pretending Disneylandish stuff certainly not someone who's been there and done that, i know those peole they don't need to brag.
As for myself i come from a Warrant Officer school and you have NO idea about my experience, i had stripes and a log book with 11 statics you weren't even born, so go play with Leobarkus and other keyboard warriors.
You are not playing in the right court trying me, you don't even know your military history.
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September 10 2009, 3:23 AM
If i recall properly, i was told by "everyone else" that no one else than France was procuring wheeled VPC...
I said wheeled IFVs you old fool. The Boxer/Piranha V are not IFVs. They are not close combat vehicles. They are wheeled protected mobility vehicles to motorise light forces. The UK, Germany and Netherlands are still maintaining tracked IFVs, even if they are buying the Piranha and the Boxer.
You're fat mouther boy, pretending Disneylandish stuff certainly not someone who's been there and done that, i know those peole they don't need to brag.
Thunder, this is pretty low. You're debating an experienced tanker in NintendoGamer with combat experience in Iraq. No doubt he lost friends and comrades in combat. He's smelled the smoke, been shot at, rocketed, RPGed and IEDed I'm sure. To call him someone who hasn't 'been there and done that' is just plain poor form.
Where are your combat decorations Thunder? How many campaign medals have you won? How many war zones have you visited? How many times have you been shot at, RPGed, rocketed, hit with IEDs? You brag that you were in armourer in the French Air Force in the 70's. Whoopdie doo. How does that give you experience to talk about the effectiveness of contempporary armoured vehicles, or contemporary warfare? When is your next deployment to Afghanistan?
Get a life, and perhaps a bit of class.
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September 10 2009, 11:10 AM
"France's withdrawal from the three-nation modular armored vehicle program embittered its German and British industrial partners but the French army looks like it will come out the winner. "
10 years ago, both France and Britain left the Programme. Germany and Netherlands continued Boxer wich will now enter service. German Army ordered 272 BOxer yet and the dutch ordered 200 units.
actually the first serial produced boxer has its rollout on 27th september!!!
but unlike france we also ordered 405 real ifv's
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http://www.bushywood.com/mythomania.htm
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September 10 2009, 11:42 AM
Just a side question. Don't the germans and russians have point by adding anti tank missiles canisters on the sides of their ifv's? On the VBCI, it could add a real punch without massive redesigning job I guess.
The german ifv poster by Ger seems to be a real beast! kuddo to german armoured know how.
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On the VBCI, it could add a real punch without massive redesigning job I guess".
Have a look in the AdT website.
You'll see how they mix capabilties with different vehicles and troops equipement and i think that external canisters are more vulnerable than those carried by the troops inside the vehicle.
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre
For the time being there is no need for them in Afganistan, the manned Milan does just fine.
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September 23 2009, 8:17 PM
not sure if I am a fan of this, you still need to load rounds and powder to the gun, its just the actual ramming is automated to a computer, so less people are needed, and since its attached to the truck it has quicker setup/exit times, but its still all vulnerable to shrapnel.
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September 23 2009, 11:56 PM
thunder actually studied "modern tracked and wheeled warefare" just after his carreer in the french navy, airforce, dassault, dga, defence ministery, rescue helicopter pilot, airline pilot and fighter pilot offcourse.
i forgot that he's also uni professor for modern avionics
im sure he will kick your guys arse once he does see this thread
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We all know that France technology progresses according to retards like yourself are made backward, eyt it appears that France have the edge and walks all over Germany in most fields.
The day our experts says the AMX-10 is better than VBCI i'll come ask for your opinion.
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