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Swedish statement on Gripen NG for Brazil (Of Interest to India's MMRCA too)

September 18 2009 at 2:18 AM
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The Brazilian DefMin who often sounds like he never even bothered to read even one-page infosheets from Boeing and Saab said some silly things recently so this was sent out....

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DEFENSE NET @ September 17, 2009
Embassy of Sweden September 17, 2009

Embassy of Sweden

PROJECT F-X2

Sweden is not seeking a buyer,
Sweden seeks a strategic partnership

Sweden is not seeking a buyer in Sweden for a strategic partnership. A partnership based on a long-term cooperation for the benefit of future generations of air power and industrial development.

We believe we have the lowest tender, either in price or the transfer of technology, based on a long-term cooperation. Sweden and SAAB, together with the Brazilians, will develop an aircraft for the world market, and the Swedish government fully supports this partnership.

We are the only ones who can provide Brazil with a unique opportunity to participate in a program to develop a supersonic fighter, the possibility impossible for our competitors. This partnership with the Company is included in the supply of Gripen NG for Brazil. Our proposal includes the installation of an assembly line of the Gripen NG's Embraer, with no additional cost. The first Brazilian Gripen NG will be built in Brazil. This is actually our proposal and not only outsourcing and partial assembly, as for example, competitors have officially declared. The Swedish proposal is one that offers more job opportunities in Brazil, because it is based on the joint development and construction.

Only the joint development provides a true transfer of technology and only Sweden can offer a joint development program with the full and transparent transfer of technology. This will give Brazil the ability to design, manufacture, modification and update of all critical areas of the Gripen NG. It also means the possibility for Brazil to sell independently, the Gripen NG for Latin America and other countries with which it has influence in the world.

Sweden has a flawless record of partnerships with other countries, which is easily verifiable in relation to price, product quality and technology transfer. Our offer is very possible under economically and technically.

SAAB is renowned for delivering what it promises on the correct date and the expected quality.

The most important part of our offer is the substance of the partnership, the acquisition of new knowledge for the development of a fighter.

Adherence to the joint development of the Gripen NG is a unique opportunity for Brazil to acquire skills and knowledge to operate a game in an autonomous and independent. This is investment for the future.

We are also researching how to solve the need for training future pilots in Sweden as well as how to improve our transport plane C-130 and possibly in the future, replace them. This of course could lead to other forms of cooperation when we know that the Company has products already tested as the Super Tucano and the KC-390 project.

Independence Sweden stands out as an independent alternative for not being a country militarily aligned. We have technology and we are open to cooperation. We are offering the possibility of Brazil to have its own aircraft industry supersonic combat, something that other countries can not offer. The offer from Sweden to Brazil provides an independent alternative and flexible for the development of its future defense forces.

Sweden and Saab are 100% committed to transfer of technology.

The government of Sweden and SAAB ensure the transfer of technology in a complete and transparent. All key technologies are under control and the Swedish SAAB has all the necessary permits from the Swedish government to present its proposal. We do not use black boxes with respect to technology transfer. We are accustomed to working together with our partners to develop the aircraft. And one of our advantages is how to adapt the aircraft for the needs of each client.

The Swedish government will not impose any restrictions on use and rely on the Brazilian government with regard to monitoring the End User Certificate. A strong point of the Gripen NG is the fact that it will be developed according to the needs of the buyer. And we will not make any restrictions on transfer of technology and meet the demand of the Brazilian government in order to be fit and manufacture future models of fighter planes.

There is a strong political commitment of the Swedish government that signed the contract and subsequent deliveries, including all software, hardware, source codes, etc. will be approved for Brazil.

The only major subsystem U.S. in this Gripen NG is the engine, mechanical item that can operate for the life cycle through the advance purchase of spare parts if necessary. The engine, in fact, is basically a commercial motor without any sensitive technology and is the same engine as the United States offered to Brazil in the F-18 Hornet.

It is argued that the disadvantage of the Gripen NG Brazil is the fact that an engine. We believe that, by contrast, is a great advantage.

1. It is a lighter aircraft that keeps the cost of the life cycle and operating costs very low.

2. In modern times we have had no engine failure with the Gripen even after 120,000 hours of flight.

3. Both the F-16 fighter jets sold in 5000 and have one JSF engine. We understand the game with an engine as the future.

It is not correct information that Gripen NG has 47% U.S. components. SAAB and Sweden controls all sensitive technology Gripen NG.

The only [SigEd: 'unique'] American component is the engine, which is basically a commercial engine and the same as was offered to you by the Boeing F18 Hornet.

Gripen NG Brazil

Gripen is the backbone of the Swedish Armed Forces for at least the next 30 years. We are currently updating our fleet with models Gripen C / D it replaced a few models A / B of the previous generation.

To be able to develop the Gripen C / D to the needs of coming decades, Parliament has decided and invested in a program, the "demonstrator" to find the best solutions for future needs. The plane is there and the flight tests conducted so far have been very successful. The Gripen NG is based on this Demonstrator. Its range is much larger than the current Gripen C / D, have more cargo capacity and a better radar system, to name a few improvements. We ourselves will use the Gripen NG.

The Swedish government is giving full support to this offer the Gripen NG made in Brazil, since we ourselves have an interest in this product, we invite Brazil to participate in the development and production together.

The demonstrator Gripen NG is already flying and with excellent results. It is the basis for the Gripen NG.

A fighter aircraft is a set of systems, and so on aircraft development, it is natural that different types of systems, subsystems, and components are tested before they decide what will best meet your demands. So from that perspective, the final version NG is an opportunity for Brazil and Sweden decide what will meet the specific needs, from the perspective of its operational requirements.

But the most important factor in the creation of modern aircraft is the knowledge and ability to integrate, validate and implement a system of systems. This ability is based on an experience of more than 100. 000 hours of flight with the Gripen and with other successful Swedish fighters over the years. Our ability is also recognized by our competitors. One example is the shooting tests with the new European missile Meteor BVR Air-to-Air, performed with the Gripen aircraft instead of the Eurofighter.

We know a lot about integration of aircraft systems. This means that different providers can offer systems that make up the aircraft. Our partners can choose which components are included in its fighter jets to suit your needs. The radar is a good example: Although there are few suppliers in the market, we were able to chose the best solution in terms of technical and economic, without any problem.

The Gripen has a reputation for delivering what it promises, and on time.

We have a record on-time delivery platform Gripen fighter jet, not only for the Swedish Air Force, but also for our other foreign customers. We have no concern with the possibility of meeting the deadlines of the FX-2. We know exactly what will be the cost of its development, operation and maintenance.

Gripen is designed to operate from air bases and remote can be maintained for recruits and a few technicians. This means that this aircraft is a simple to maintain, and requires fewer people to do it. In addition to the factors to be an aircraft lighter, with only one engine, keeps the cost of their life cycle very low. Since Sweden has always used single-engine combat aircraft, the SAAB strengthened the reliability and safety of the engine and its support system. We have cases of engine failures with the current Gripen or its predecessors.

We know exactly how much the cost of acquisition and cost of the life cycle (LCC) and we are offering the best value for money. This assessment is always done by governments seeking new options for military aviation. In the long term will be very profitable for Brazil due to industrial cooperation that we are offering.

The Gripen system is a cost of acquisition, maintenance and operation significantly lower costs compared to known or suspected of any other modern fighter aircraft. Brazil will be able to acquire and operate the double jet Gripen NG than any other competitor for the same cost, for a period of 40 years. No hunting competes with the Gripen in terms of affordability.

The game will be competitive and offer the best value for money. We are used to fulfill the agreements for transfer of technology, because the Gripen are not the only combat aircraft that have been exported from Sweden.

Regarding the financing of the F-X2, fruitful discussions were held between the SEFA, Department of Economics and Finance of the Air Force, and the Swedish authorities.

If SAAB AB is chosen as the program vendor F-X2, a provision of favorable financing will be presented by the Swedish Export Credit Corporation SEK Swedish credit corporation wholly owned by the Swedish Government, together with EKN, the Swedish government agency export credit.

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http://www.defesanet.com.br/fx2/sb_state_2.htm

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Gripen hardsells new AESA radar, low cost for MMRCA

Gripen rubbishes reports that a large part of the aircraft is US-made and also denies that the GE 414 engine will be subject to us technology transfer or End use Monitoring conditions.

We have about thirty five percent in the C/D. We have a lot less in the Gripen NG. A lot less than thirty five per cent. As we understand it, its related to very advanced technology, bought under the FMS (Foreign Military Sales) case, where you buy the stuff directly from the US government. And that goes for US weapons for instance, so if the Indian Air Force buys US weapons, Im sure theyre going to be subject to End Use Monitoring.

But the rest of the equipment, the Direct Commercial Sales, as we understand it, is not subject to End Use Monitoring, he elaborates, adding, Its an American engine. And General Electric have provided a very comprehensive technology transfer package, so I dont see that being affected.

http://www.stratpost.com/gripen-hardsells-new-aesa-radar-low-cost-for-mmrca



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Thanks Sig.

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September 18 2009, 2:20 AM 

Question.

Who formulated all these false information about the Gripen they mention in this doc?

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Re: Swedish statement on Gripen NG for Brazil (Of Interest to India's MMRCA too)

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September 18 2009, 2:23 AM 

Their defence minister Nelson Jobim said it... I dont know where he got it from.

My only wish is that politicians will shut up about technology...

 
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Well if it was only about aiurcrafts.

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September 18 2009, 2:27 AM 

Sweeden and France would be ahead by a long shot.

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Re: Swedish statement on Gripen NG for Brazil (Of Interest to India's MMRCA too)

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September 18 2009, 2:35 AM 

Question, what exactly are you ahead of?

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You.

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September 18 2009, 2:48 AM 

Now get the fcuk back to your cave.

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Re: Swedish statement on Gripen NG for Brazil (Of Interest to India's MMRCA too)

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September 18 2009, 10:19 AM 

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09/exclusive-lockheed-launches-attack-on.html

Monday, September 14, 2009
Lockheed Launches Attack On Gripen's MMRCA Campaign

The gloves are off, not that they were ever on. Just a few days after Gripen held a well-reported press conference in Delhi last week, Lockheed-Martin has hit out at the Swedish plane-maker's campaign for India's $10.2-billion medium multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition. At a reception for Lockheed-Martin's new India head Roger Rose, there was lots of talk on Gripen country head Eddy de la Motte's repeated affirmation that there would be "total transfer of technology" if the Gripen was selected. Lockheed-Martin Vice President (Business Development, India) Orville Prins told journalists that the Gripen campaign's assertion that there would be 100 per cent ToT was "dishonest and inaccurate".

Prins pointed out that with an admitted 35 per cent of the Gripen being made up by American components and systems, there was no way that the Swedes could trumpet full transfer of technology, simply because a full transfer of technology would mean formal release of the said technology by the US government, which may or may not be forthcoming. "Without formal sanction for technology release, it simply not honest to say you can transfer all technology. It is plainly false," Prins said.

Like I said, the gloves are off, and even the world's biggest aerospace firm feels the heat sometime or other. The F-16IN campaign considers itself seriously threatened by the Gripen IN's concerted effort to fritter out American content. It's interesting how Lockheed-Martin would also rely on a political leash on the Swedes, rather than concentrate its effort on attacking its competitors on technology. But then again, even the Swedes know this isn't a meat and potatoes campaign.

 
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Brazilian Engineers Already Working on the Gripen Fighter Project

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September 18 2009, 1:35 PM 

Brazilian Engineers Already Working on the Gripen Fighter Project


(Source: Gripen AB; issued September 17, 2009)



While the Brazilian government decides to give another chance for the companies to improve their offers in the bid for the new fighter planes Brazil is buying, the technology transfer for this type of airplane has already begun with at least one of the competitors, Saab.

[Led] by Akaer, the companies Friuli, Winnstal, Minoica and Imbra Aerospace sent a team of 20 Brazilian engineers and technicians to Sweden to start working on the project of the new Swedish fighter, the Gripen NG, produced by Saab Aerosystems. Besides the Swedish group, the American Boeing and the French Dassault are competing to sell 36 fighters to the Brazilian Air Force.

"The actual cooperation with Saab started on August 31, with the objective of totally engaging all companies in the project, including the mastering of important technologies in the aircraft and access to all sensitive areas in the company plant in Linköping, Sweden", explains the Akaer CEO, César Augusto da Silva. T1, the holding joining the five Brazilian companies involved in the new Swedish fighter project, will be responsible for projecting and manufacturing the central and rear fuselages and wings of the Gripen NG.

According to the Akaer officer, though the success of the partnership with Saab is in a way dependent on the F-X2 project, considering the possibility that Brazil becomes the launching client of the Gripen NG if it is chosen, this factor is not necessarily decisive for the permanence of the Brazilian companies in the development of the new fighter. "Our companies were selected in an international offer within Saabs strategy of finding international partners for the project," he explains.

Technology transfer in the area of structures made of composed materials, according to the Akaer director, will enable Brazilian companies to become world-class suppliers for any client of the Gripen NG fighter. The holding's idea is to form a new aeronautical center in Brazil in the area of intelligence development and airplane production cycle, leaving behind the phase of being a mere part supplier.

"We would not be involved only in the process of making parts with no added value or engineering activity. The issue is not only making, but knowing how to make, and we have started learning that in this joint work," comments Akaer technical director Ricardo Fontes. The information exchange in the project, engineering and manufacturing areas of the Swedish fighters is being done, according to Fontes, with the authorization of the Swedish government.

Akaer predicts that as from next year a team of at least 150 engineers and technicians from the T1 holding will start working in Brazil together with 20 Swedish specialists. The Brazilians already in Sweden will work there for a six-month period, according to Fontes.

The directors of Akaer estimate that in four years the holding's turnover will reach US$ 500 million and around 2.9 thousand job posts will be created in the next 10 years. "If the F-X2 result favors the Gripen, in six months we will double the current number of collaborators," says Silva. "The partnership with Saab may be a huge technological leap with the same impact AMX had to Embraer, when they were enabled to develop their very successful family of regional jets."

Brazil will help shaping supersonic plane wings

The manager of the Structural Segments Project of the new Swedish fighter Gripen NG, materials engineer Fernando Ferraz, responsible for the area of engineering and quality in Akaer, was summoned to coordinate the training of the 20 Brazilian engineers who are in Sweden learning to decipher the technology of supersonic airplanes. "It is the first time a Brazilian company has the chance to shape the wing of a supersonic airplane."

From the manufacturing standpoint, according to the engineer, the level of requirements for the parts, which will be made of composed materials, is more critical because the parts are thicker and the materials are more resistant than those used in civil aircraft. "Akaer is quite experienced in the project and calculation areas, but with the Gripen NG program we will also acquire manufacturing know how."

One of the points highlighted by him is that during the phase of learning new technologies, the Brazilian team will be involved in the development process from the beginning. "We will use computer tools involved in the process from the initial concept to the end product." According to Ferraz, in Brazil there is still no company in the aeronautical sector, with the exception of Embraer, that can integrate the whole process of producing an important part of a plane.

The suppliers in the Brazilian aeronautical chain, according to him, have reached a very good technical level, but have managing and integration deficiencies. "This is our opportunity to change that situation. We will gain integration in a quicker way." Today, the integration is done through foreign suppliers that receive partially finished sets and finish them in Brazil.


(EDITORS NOTE: Brazil could obtain two aircraft for the price of one by buying the Gripen, Swedish deputy defense minister Hakan Jevrell said during a Sept. 17 press conference in Sao Paolo. He added that Saab would allow up to 40 percent of the aircraft to be built in Brazil, and that his government is committed to allowing 100% technology transfer on the program, according to local news reports.
Saab will submit a new offer to the Brazilian government on Sept. 21, he said.
However, he acknowledged that the Gripen NGs engine and radar are not Swedish-made [they are sourced respectively in the US and ItalyEd.] but said that Sweden would help Brazil to develop new systems for the aircraft.)

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/108227/saab-details-gripen-tech-transfer-to-brazil%2C-improves-offer.html

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