No points for guessing who won the battle and who ended up on the losing side. Over a 100 enemy tanks were destroyed, that too the superior patton tanks the phuckistanis had against centurion tanks fielded by India.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHSVJNNsQ4U&feature=related






colours of Kaziranga

why say 100? why not 500? wont that make your cow piss drinking losers hindu ego satisfy more? indians are clearly the biggest shameless cow urine drinking pathological liars..
btw this old fart in this video needs a smack in the head for wasting time with his utter cow urine pollutant..

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"Anti indian, the raja of the jungle!!"

I agree this was the greatest tank battle since Kursk in 1965 but am i right in thinking it's the tank battles in the Sinai a couple of years later, in 1967, that actually are "the greatest tank battles since Kursk".

I could be wrong but i don't think so.

hmmmm funny i taught it was battle for chawinda......


The Battle of Chawinda was a part of the Sialkot Campaign in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965. It was one of the largest tank battles since the Battle of Kursk in World War II.

The Battle

Pakistani troops at ease.
A war monument in Sialkot in memory of the Battle of ChawindaThe inability of the Indian Army to vault the BRB Canal stalemated the Lahore front. The Indians turned their attention to the main thrust, called Operation 'Nepal', in the Sialkot sector. The aim of the attack was to seize the key Grand Trunk Road around Wazirabad. The striking force of the Indian 1st Corps was the 1st Armoured Division supported by the 14th Infantry and 6thh Mountain divisions. The infantry seized the border area on 7 September: realising the threat, the Pakistani rushed two regiments of their 6th Armoured Division from Chhamb to the Sialkot sector to support the Pakistani 7th Infantry Division there. These units, plus an independent tank destroyer squadron, amounted to 135 tanks; 24 M47 and M48 Pattons, about 15 M36B1s and the remainder Shermans. The majority of the Pattons belonged to the new 25th Cavalry commanded by Lt. Col. Nisar, which was sent to the Chawinda area. Fighting around the Gadgor village between the Indian 1 Armoured division and the Pakistani 25th Cavalry Regiment resulted in the Indian advance being stopped.

The Indian plan was to drive a wedge between Sialkot and the 6th Armoured Division, which it believed was stationed around Chawinda. In fact there was only a single regiment there at the time. The Indian 1st Armoured Division's drive quickly divided, with the 43rd Lorried Infantry Brigade supported by a tank regiment attacking Gat, while the main blow of the 1st Armoured Brigade was hurled against Phillaura. Pakistani air attacks caused moderate damage to the tank columns, but exacted a heavier toll on the truck columns and infantry. The terrain features of the area were very different from those around Lahore, being quite dusty, and the approach of the Indian attack was evident to the 25th Cavalry by the rising dust columns on the Charwah-Phillaura road.

The Indians resumed their attacks on 10 September with multiple corps sized assaults and succeeded in pushing the Pakistani forces back to their base at Chawinda, where they were stopped. A Pakistani counterattack at Phillorah was repulsed with heavy damage, and the Pakistanis settled in defensive positions. The Pakistani position at this point was highly perilous, the Indians outnumbered them by ten to one.

However, the Pakistani situation improved as reinforcements arrived, consisting of two independent brigades from Kashmir, 8 Infantry Division, and most crucially, their 1 Armoured Division. For the next several days, Pakistani forces repulsed Indian attacks on Chawinda. A large Indian assault on 18 September involving India's 1st Armoured and 6th Mountain Divisions was repelled, with the 1st Armoured Division being mauled and being taken out of action, while the 6th Indian mountain division lay disintegrated in front of the Pakistani defences. The Indians withdrew to a defensive position near their original bridgehead.

The Pakistanis followed up by launching Operation Windup, which forced the Indians back across the international border for the most part, though the coming of the ceasefire meant that the Indians still managed to retain some territory.


Results
The Indian Army failed to achieve any of its stated objectives. Their main objective was to capture Sialkot and thus cut the main Grand Trunk Road, splitting Pakistan in two. In the process, they had seen their most powerful formations performing, but even with strategic surprise and a superiority in men and material, the Indian Army had been halted and pushed back for the most part.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chawinda

Strength

India
80,000-150,000 infantry
1,700 tanks

Pakistan
30,000 infantry
600 tanks

it was an epic battle the proved to the indians who thier daddy was.....

The Indian Elephant comes to a Grinding halt at Chawinda

Sialkot sector had always been upper most in the minds of Pakistan. Across it, lays the State of Jammu and Kashmir, which in addition to the outright injustice of the case and India usurping it forcefully, it posed a direct threat to the innermost areas of Pakistan. Any threat based on Kashmir would come at right angles to the threat from India itself there by weakening defenses facing India and could not be anything but a source of great anxiety to Pakistan. As far as India was concerned, Kashmir was ideally suited as a jumping ground to attack Pakistan. The military build up during the last few years under the assumed threat from China had given India a good excuse, if she needed one, to build up the strength in Kashmir to unusually large six divisions. Indian infantry brigades in Kashmir have the habit of having up to seven infantry battalions as a measure of solace and over insurance.




Pakistan could not afford to keep more than one medium size infantry division in this sector. 15 Infantry Division containing 7 Infantry Battalion only was placed in Sialkot. Its armour compliment consisted of 25 cavalry and two tank delivery units. The division was commanded by Brig. Sardar Mohammad Ismail Khan.

The Indian garrison opposite to this small force was 26 Indian Division with four oversize brigades and two armoured regiments. It had been anticipated that the enemy could launch a three pronged attack from the following directions; Dera Baba Nanak, Samba and Jammu. The areas of responsibility of the brigades of 15 Infantry Division were as a result as follows:



An old villager appears to be quite amused as he is initiated into the mysteries of this AMX-13 tank left in Chamb area by the fleeing Indian Army.





101 Infantry Brigade (2 battalions) astride Sialkot Jammu Road under the command of Brig. S. M. Hussain

104 Infantry Brigade (One infantry battalion only) Area Uggoki as Divisional Strike Force

24 Infantry Brigade (Two infantry battalions plus one Armoured Regiment) Area Chawinda under the command of Brig. Malik Abdul Ali Khan

115 Infantry Brigade (Two infantry battalions) Area: Jassar under the command of Brig. Muzzafaruddin

6 Armoured Division commanded by Maj. General Abrar Hussain, which in fact was no more than an Armoured Brigade, was placed in Daska area to be used as required. It had under it, two Armoured Regiments and one Infantry Battalion. The Guides Cavalry, 22 Cavalry and 14 FF with proportionate supporting arms and services.

The Indian build up in early September opposite 15 Division was substantial. The Indians had brought in three infantry divisions including one oversize mountain division and their crack 1 Indian Armoured Division. The details of these were to be known as fighting developed. The Indian plan in this sector unfolded itself gradually and was most unrealistic. It had neither taken the capabilities of the Indian soldiers into account not had been fair in assessing the fighting qualities of Pakistan Army. It smelt of Hyderabad Police Station. General Chaudhuri had decided to attack with one strong division at Suchetgarh and a brigade at Jassar. He knew the strength of both 15 Infantry Division and 6 Armoured Division and expected the armoured division with its armoured regiments to be equally divided between the two garrisons at Jassar and Sialkot. The attack having been launched on 6 September would in the opinion of Indian C-in-C, draw the whole Pakistan Army in this sector of these two corner points. When Pakistan garrison was fully sucked into these two extreme corners and was committed completely the main attack from Samba would roll down the plains lead by Indian Armoured Division. According to General Chaudhuri there would be nothing to stop this mighty force, not even a section of infantry. The garrisons at Jassar and Sialkot would be too committed to extricate themselves and even if they tried to fall back to interfere in the main attack they would be only following the Indian divisions and would never be permitted to re-establish any worthwhile defensive line. General Chaudhuri's optimism was really infectious. It permeated down to the brigade commanders' level but no further. The lower levels have to be more realistic. They are too far near the ground and they are the ones who have to capture ground and hold it or give it away. To them higher planning and lines across the map mean little. When it came to that level the situation looked different but more of that later.




A AMX-13 tank, jeep and a truck left in the river Tawi by the retreating Indian Army - September 1965.



As planned by India, the first place that took the brunt of Indian attack in this sector was Jassar. 3 Punjab was holding the brigade and a part of it was across it, in the little Pakistani enclave across the river Ravi. The Indians started shelling at 0315 hours, a quarter of an hour earlier than they crossed the border in other places. An hour later the attack came in, led by one infantry battalion and the Indians succeeded in securing foothold in the enclave. 3 Punjab put in a counter attack at 1000 hours on 6 September and had thrown back the Indians by 1200 hours. Simultaneously 4 FF cleared the Indian enclave on West bank of the river. There does not appear to have been much resistance to this action. The lack of enthusiasm on the part of Indians to defend their position on the right bank of Ravi was a clear indication that the Indian attack against Jassar was merely a feint. If they had meant to invade Pakistan from this direction in earnest, it would have been easier for them to build up across the river, by making use of the enclave as initial brigade head.

The artillery compliments of 15 Infantry Division, which had earlier helped 10 Infantry Brigade, in Chhamb and Jurian also returned during night 6/7 September and the position, became more reassuring.

The Indians were to continue giving the impression that the attack on Jassar was in real earnest. Between 0300 and 0630 hours on 7 September, but put in three attacks supported by massive artillery support and tanks. They succeeded in capturing the far end of the bridge eventually. The bridge as a result was blown up at 0800 hours the same day. The troops on the far end were ordered to swim to home side as it was not considered advisable to leave a few unsupported companies across the river. The Indians throughout the day, continued to try to enlarge their gains along the bridge but all their attempts were foiled.





A close-up of AMX-13 tank left behind by India at Jaurian - September 1965.

26 Indian Division advancing along the main Sialkot-Jammu road did not make any headway on 6 and 7 September.

14 Indian Infantry Division rolled down across the wide stretch Charwah-Bajra Garhi on the night of 7/8 September. The attack started at 2330 hours. 3 FF fought delaying action and gradually fell back to the main defensive line around Phillorah. 3 FF was holding area Gadgor and adjoining villages. Although vastly outnumbered the battalion stood the most intense shelling and kept to its positions. A few platoon localities exchanged hands once but were immediately recaptured. The fight for every inch of the territory had started. It was like a cyclone. Waves clashing with waves and creating an uproar in the dark but few Pakistani soldiers stood steadfast. Attack after attack was coming and yet the thin line stood firm like a wall of steel.

The unit was ordered to fall back to Chawinda early in the morning on 8 September. By then, they were in danger of being cut off. They did so at first light. By the morning of 8 September the enemy with elements of 1 Indian Armoured Division had captured Maharajke, Charwa, Chobara, Gadgor and Phillorah villages.


The advance of 26 Indian Division along the main road to Sialkot had also been checked and the enemy was hardly able to throw back the screens pushed forward by 19 Punjab and 13 FF on the main road Sialkot-Jammu.

6 Armoured Division, commanded by Major General Abrar Hussain was now moved forward and given the responsibility of stopping the main enemy advance opposite Chawinda in conjunction with 24 Infantry Brigade commanded by Brigadier Abdul Ali Malik already in position. The brigade had under it, 2 Punjab, 3 FF and 25 cavalry. In fact, what it amounted to was that an infantry and an armoured brigade, were defending against this very strong Indian offensive.

8 September gives the image of a series of hammer blows on a small size but ultra strong anvil. Each blow produces blinding flashes. It is the test of strength and quality of metal between the anvil and the hammer. After a little it starts becoming evident that the hammer blows have started losing their vigor and frequency and the metal of the hammer started cracking.

The Indians had occupied Phillorah during the earlt hours of the morning but the appearance of 24 Infantry Brigade opposite them in the morning, in an offensive mood, made them fall back. Bajrah and Garhi had four enemy tanks. The moment one was hit by Pakistani armour, 25 cavalry, the other three disappeared. The enemy was gradually pushed out of Chobara also by 24 Infantry Brigade and 25 Cavalry.

On the morning of 9 September, 10 Infantry Brigade commanded by brigadier Azmat Hayat Khan also joined in and had taken up positions along side 24 Infantry Brigade.

9 September again was a busy day. The enemy tried to edge towards our left and making use of a road Maharajke-Sialkot and road Bajra-Garhi-Sialkot to put in a right hook.

This move was foiled immediately it became apparent and the enemy withdrew in haste. The enemy operation order had laid down the main axis as Ramgarh, Chobara and Phillorah. One Centurian regiment was to push through along it while the other, a Sherman regiment was to be on the right. This regiment appears to have attempted the right hook but could not sustain it. The other Centurian regiment plus a squadron was to be on the enemy left in area Daigi. 4 Horse had been kept by the Indians in reserve.

The enemy put in a counter-attack on Chobara with an armoured regiment and an infantry battalion. This was successfully beaten back. The enemy had used his air on a number of occasions but the Pakistan Air Force had every time appeared on the scene and chased them away, before they could contribute much to the battle.

15 Infantry Division headquarters itself were attacked by enemy aircraft on the morning of 10 September but there were no casualties. The GOC Major General Tikka Khan who had taken the command from brigadier Sardar Mohammad Ismail, had organized tank hunting parties who were successful in destroying a number of tanks during the night of 9/10 September. This put a stop on the night movement of Indian tanks opposite Sialkot.

On 10 September, the Indians subjected the Jassar positions to very heavy shelling but did not try to advance forward. They seemed to have been given large quantities of artillery ammunition merely to expend while sitting at a distance from Pakistani troops.

The Indians, opposite 24 Infantry Brigade, in the area of Gadgor tried to make a flanking move from the left but failed to make any headway.

A great deal of enemy movement was observed during 10 September behind the enemy lines. It was evident the regrouping and reallocation of tasks was being undertaken by the Indians. The original plan had failed. They hoped to succeed with the changed plan if .. But, they were soon to know that the "ifs" do not turn out to be in favor of mighty hordes all the time.

Sialkot and Jassar received their share of shelling again on 11 September. Enemy tried to advance along the main axis but failed. Khaira village fell to the Indians but was counter attacked and retaken. Shelling by the Indians along their main axis of advance was very intense. It lasted from 0200 to 0800 hours. The Indians also used air which, however failed to do any damage. At 1100 hours, the main enemy attack, mainly armour came against Gador and Phillorah. 11 Cavalry Guides and 25 Cavalry took the brunt and stopped the enemy. It was a magnificent battle; tank against tank reminded of the armour battles of Second World War. There was determination on both sides, in fact it was a test of stamina and determination. There were fairly heavy casualties on both sides.

The only gain to the Indians that day was the Phillorah village. This also lost because the Indians were pushing across thousand of refugees from the villages occupied by them on the first day. To have advanced under the cover of refugees was the most unsoldierly act on the part of Indians but then there it was and not much could be done about it. For three days they had kept them confined without food and water and now on 11 September they had used them as human shield. Pundit Kautilya had come to their aid but even this guile was short lived. It could not be repeated day after day. There were no more left to be used after the 11th. PAF brought about successful air strikes that day, against Chobara and Charwa.

A certain amount of regrouping and reallocation of areas was carried out on 11 September by Pakistan also. 1 Armoured Division less 5 Armoured Brigade had also arrived in the area and could be used as and when found necessary. The attack against Phillorah had cost Indians heavy losses. 25 Cavalry had been successfully engaging the enemy armour throughout this period. They had been able to account for 29 tanks against a loss of only 4 of their own. As a result of the re-organization our own locations were as follows on 12 September.



Khairi and Chak Phulra posts and high ground in the vicinity were captured on the morning of 12 September in Sialkot Sector.

The Indians sent a company of Gurkhas towards Zafarwal, who posing as Chinese to the villagers started digging trenches. On approach of our patrol they retreated leaving behind one prisoner from 5/5 Gurkha Battalion belonging to 196 Indian Infantry Brigade, a part of Indian Mountain Division.




clouds of dust, Pakistani tank and infantry soldiers are moving forward to join the action.




On 13 September, the first enemy move of tanks took place in the area of village Dogri and was immediately stopped. At 0700 hours the Indians tried to probe with a strong contingent of tanks, 25 or more from Gadgor and Chobara but were effectively stopped by our forces. Chawinda then became the center of Indian attacks. That day, over 20 enemy tanks were destroyed and the enemy advance was effectively halted. There was no relaxing of effort by the enemy on 14 September either. Enemy tried to advance on Chawinda on two axis, each with one infantry brigade and one regiment of armour. These two axis were Road Phillorah-Chawinda and railway line Sialkot-Chawinda. Pakistani troops had formed a sort of crescent with Chawinda itself jutting out as the star poised between the two tips of the crescent. Sitara-e-Hilal dispositions worked. The Indians battered against Chawinda from the front and from the left but, made no headway. Every little move meant more and more casualties. The air on both sides remained active and Pakistan Air Force as usual, had the upper hand. On 15 September the tank to tank battle was further intensified.

1 Armoured Division was waiting behind 6 Armoured Division to wind up this clash of steel, the moment the initial fury of Indian onslaught subsided. Lieut. General Bakhtiar Mohammad Rana SPk, SQA., M.C., the Corps Commander and Major General General Sahibzada Mohammad Yaqoob Khan who had just taken over the command of 1 Armoured Division had also located the forces in this sector as to deliver crushing blows to the Indians once they entered the killing ground. The Indians had been lured inside the crescent and surprisingly, they had not been able to push aside even the farthest point held by 24 Infantry Brigade.



With smile bursting through their dust-coated faces, these Pakistani infantrymen are dashing towards the front





At 1430 hours, the Indians launched the third of their abortive attacks that day. By the evening the enemy had lost about 30 tanks and had started withdrawing. It appears that this was either meant to be a ruse or a withdrawal without sanction from higher headquarters as immedeately after last light the Indians started coming forward again. This again was infantry-tank combined attack. Pakistani troops fought back heroically and the enemy attack was repulsed once again. The GOC had, during the day, asked the Corps Commander to be given 4 Armoured Brigade but the latter was confident that the existing troops wold be able to stop all enemy efforts to break through. He intended using the 1 Armoured Division for the offensive operations the moment it was clear that the Indians had committed all their reserve formations in this sector. After this battle, the GOC in consultation with the Corps Commander, carried out a certain amount of reorganization of the forces on the following lines:





19 Lancers and 10 (SP) Field regiment were deployed to cover the gap between Chawinda and Jassoran.

Locating battery was moved to 15 Division area.

1 FF and 7 FF were placed under command of 1 Armoured Division for offensive operations.

16 September proved the correctness of the forecast that enemy will try to push his armour through the gap Chawinda-Jassoran. He had not realized that behind this gap, he would meet stiff opposition and was likely to be sandwiched in this narrow gap.

The enemy attack came opposite the gap formed by the triangle Bhagowal-Badiana-Chawinda.

15 infantry Division was ordered by the corps commander to exert pressure towards Bhagowal and 4 Armoured Brigade was warned to be ready to move into battle area when the situation demanded. In the meantime the battle progressed in an extremely fierce manner in the area around jassoran and badiana. The triangular formation had helped in luring the enemy forward and Chawinda defenders, the men of 24 Infantry Brigade under Brigadier Malik Abdul Ali rose to the occasion. The enemy was allowed to bypass even the town of Chawinda from the North-West and reach Chawinda railway Station. Such havoc was caused to the Indian armour and Infantry in this narrow triangle as has rarely happened since the battles of Flanders in the First World War. The ground was literally piled with dead bodies. Three Indian battalion commanders lost their lives in trying to reach Mile Stone 5 behind Chawinda. It must be said to the credit of the Indian Army theat they fought with commendable courage and determination on this day. The W/T message to the first battalion commander who pushed his way upto within a few hundred yards of the road was rather interesting. It had said, "Get Mile Stone 5 and Maha Vir chakra is at your feet." This brave soldier died within a few hundred yards of the Mile Stone in question and was decorated posthumously.




A Pakistan Army 106mm recoilless rifle positon





Two more battalion commanders followed in his footsteps and gave their lives a little to his rear. The battle raged. The Indians coming in wave after wave and Pakistani determined to shoot to kill inspite of devastating artillery fire directed at their hasty dug in positions. The commanders in the rear at GHQ and Corps H.Q., must be given due credit for the correct evaluation of the position. There was no panic. They did not deploy any unit or any formation unnecessarily. They had confidence in their men and their commanders in the field. They knew that material superiority and large numbers do not always decide the outcome of the battle. Inspite of all determination shown by Indian troops it was throughout clear that they would have to be far better men, then they were to overcome the spirit of Pakistani soldiers. As one Pakistani Company Commander said, "It was a sight to remember all one's life and to get inspiration for it always". By the afternoon, the battle was over. Chawinda stood where it was with the same men in control of it. The Indians left behind them over two thousand dead and a large number of prisoners.

17 September should have been used by the Indians for licking their wounds but it appears that they still had fresh troops to push into the furnace that Chawinda was. It had become a matter of prestige with them. They attacked Chawinda at first light but failed to make any headway. The place was too hot for them. They tried to get into the gap between Butar Dograndi and Janewal and gave to 19 Lancers a good opportunity to do some good shooting. Then two squadrons of enemy armour tried to attack Chawinda from due west. This move was halted by 25 Cavalry and the artillery. The Indians withdrew, leaving a Centurian intact, 5 destroyed and 5 POWs behind, belonging to 17 Horse. 1 Indian Armoured Division had by now been completely disorganized and its morale was at the lowest ebb. The shortage of infantry in this sector has been felt acutely by Pakistani Commanders. 20 Baluch was as a result placed under command 6 Armoured Division and 6 FF which had arrived in Daska was also ordered forward.

The Indians changed their tactics on 19 September. Instead of putting in concentrated heavy attacks, they started attacking scattered village localities with small integrated groups and at the same time, continued shelling the whole area throughout the day. These small groups however, did not achieve anything. In actual fact, this piecemeal use of troops cost them greater losses, both in men and in the area already under their control. 6 Armoured Division launched a limited attack and cleared the enemy out of Batur Dograndi, Sadreke, Mundeke Berian, Jassoran and Fatehpur. Chawinda was also attacked by the Indians but its defenses withstood the onslaught as usual. The whole area south of railway line was also cleared of the Indians.

The Indians turned to infiltration tactics during the night 18/19 September and met a certain amount of success in the initial stages. They managed to recapture Jassoran and infiltrated through a number of gaps under the cover of darkness. This in the end, cost the Indians very heavy losses. Early next morning these isolated groups were surrounded heavy casualties inflicted on them. In addition 4 officers, 4 JCOs and 54 other ranks were taken prisoner. The Indian High Command had spread a false propaganda that Pakistanis did not take prisoners. This proved very costly to them in manpower. Their men as a result of this propaganda were reluctant to put up their hands but once the fact became known that Pakistanis had no intention of undertaking the impossible task of killing the million strong army, they started coming forward to be taken as prisoners of war, not only willingly but at times with keenness.

The artillery, throughout the battle on this front had taken heavy toll of enemy infantry and armour and many times Indian concentration had been broken up merely by well directed artillery fire.

Jassoran, which had been taken by the Indians during the night was attacked and captured by 1800 hours by a Coy of 7 FF under Major Abdul Rabb Niazi. In this action along 4 enemy tanks were captured intact and 13 were destroyed. Heavy casualties had also been inflicted on the enemy. In addition to dead and wounded, the Indians lost 35 men as prisoners of war in this action. Enemy air was fairly active during 19 September and so was Pakistan Air Force chasing them away every time they had appeared on the scene.

Early morning on 20 September the Indians launched a half-hearted attack. It appeared later that this was merely to cover their withdrawal from positions badly threatened by our forces. They suffered casualties as a result of this attack and 8 prisoners were taken. The Indians launched an attack on this day on the front of 15 Infantry Division also but they were successfully repulsed.

The Indians carried out a limited attack on 21 September against fatehpur, held by 20 Baluch but withdrew leaving behind six destroyed tanks and a few prisoners. The enemy air strafed our forward positions causing a few casualties. Efforts were made to clear Alhar of enemy early in the morning but did not succeed. Th place was fairly heavily held.

On 22 September, activity was confined to artillery dual. The Indians withdrew from few villages after burning them. 19 Lancers destroyed a few enemy tanks in Alhar but no large scale move was undertaken.

The C-in-C visited this front and decorated some of the officers and other ranks who had earlier distinguished themselves during the fighting in this area.

The cease fire talks had made any counter attack a matter of untimely wasted effort. 23 September, as a result was also a quiet day. The Indians confined their activities to heavy shelling but made no move forward. One enemy patrol fell into our hands abd was captured with its officer.

The defence of Sulaimanki Sector was the operational responsibility of 105 Infantry Brigade located in the Bhalwalpur. When the situation became tense in early September, the Brigade Group moved into the defence localities on 5 September.




The Brigade Commander, brigadier Mohammad Akbar decided not to give the Indians an opportunity to take the initiative in their hands. He decided to attack Sadiqa and Jhangar, the moment it was known that the Indian Army had invaded Pakistan. The task was allotted to 10 Punjab. Opposite them was an Indian Brigade group supported by a Squadron of medium tanks. The attack was mounted at 1820 hours on 6 September. It was led by Major Hikmutullah with one company of 10 Punjab and a platoon of the Rangers. The Indians tried to bring in all the fire at their disposal but only for 5 or 10 minutes. At the end of this short burst of activity, they left their posts and all their arms seeking safety in flight. Four of them were taken prisoners, a few were killed and the rest escaped. There were no casualties to our troops.



Infantry soldiers taking positions on the bank of a water obstacle. (1965 War)



The other objective decided upon for the closing hours of 6 September was Jhangar. D Coy 10 Punjab under command of major Mohammad Aslam Janjua attacked this objective without any H Hour shelling. Here the Indians put up better resistance. Hand to hand fight ensued and grenades had to be used to ferret them out of their bunkers. The Indian casualties inside the bunkers were large including the company commander of the area. The remaining Indians fell back to a discarded kiln in the vicinity but were chased out of this position also. Hand grenades had to be used once again. A few were able to get away. The Indians left 19 bodies in the kiln. 3 prisoners were taken. The second phase of this attack was a small post in village Noor Mohammad. This proved to be an easy affair. A platoon was able to deal with this post.

The objective given to the 10 Punjab had been achieved but the Commander Lt-Col. Amir Hamza Khan was tempted to keep up the momentum of the advance and continue upon village Pakka which had been kept for the final phase to be undertaken by 4 Punjab. This unscheduled attack brought about as it should have done , the situation , which often happens, and its recurrence cannot be avoided under such circumstances. The battalion became a target to our own artillery and enemy MMG for simultaneously. The battalion commander was quick to appreciate the situation and at once halted the battalion advance. Although dark, he quickly managed to reform the battalion and left enough room for 4 Punjab to carry out their share of task.

4 Punjab had done a march of 16 miles to reach the battle positions that very morning but the news of Lahore having been attacked and they so far away was enough to redouble their determination to avenge the losses which they thought, their companions must have suffered at Wagah and Gawandi.

The attack of 4 Punjab was led by C Coy under Major Mohammad Abdul Rashid. They left their positions at 2200 hours. The movement had perforce to be slow as the enemy positions were behind water-logged area. The deeper portions of the Sem lake were waist-deep but they waded through it under heavy small arms and mortar fire and by 2230 hours the enemy had evacuated pakka village also. Five prisoners were taken. The major portion of the enemy had disappeared in the dark. 4 Punjab had only 4 ORs wounded.

One could not expect the Indians not to retaliate. They started shelling our positions early next morning, 7 September and continued this economic method of retaliation throughout the day. Pakistani positions had no overhead cover but fortunately there were no direct hits. As night approached the intensity of enemy shelling increased. The patrols reported enemy concentrations near Gurmukh Khera. AT 2000 hours, a battalion of Indian 14 Punjab Regiment composed of Sikhs, put in an attack on A Company of 4 Punjab. This company behaved in an extremely cool and calm manner. It showed very high quality of fire control. The Sikhs were allowed to come right up to the middle of the company position . The Indians saw the villages ablaze as a result of their shelling and were happy to have reached the objective without any opposition. In their joy they sent up their success signals. The very light showed them up as nothing else could have done and they received well aimed rifle and LMG firm from very close quarters. This sudden volley of small arms fire in the middle of rejoicing, produced the shock effect, which in other circumstances , thousands of artillery shells could not have done. The Indian commanders , were shouting orders on vain:

Take positions

Charge

Hamala Karo

Jai Hind

All these calls were of no avail. The men could think of nothing except their safety. They ran back as they had seldom run before. The Indians reinforced this sector by 67 Indian Infantry brigade but did not venture to attack our positions until after the cease-fire. 1 Baluch was planning its further attack on 15 September when it was pulled out of this sector. 4 Punjab was relieved by 22 Punjab, a newly raised battalion, mainly composed of retired soldiers.






Pakistani gunners are giving an expert look-over to captured Indian field guns. The Indians left enough pieces in Chamb area alone to equip two Field Regiments. (1965 War)





105 Infantry Brigade, in spite of its numerical inferiority, kept up pressure on the Indians and was able to reduce a number of small posts one by one. By the time cease-fire was agreed, this brigade had at least 30 Indian villages under its control and had succeeded in capturing over 150 square miles of Indian territory. The Indians tried hard on 25 September to recapture the territory, they had lost but had to sit quiet after the unpleasant experience of 3/0 Gurkhas, who apart from heavy casualties in dead and wounded, lost 5 tanks and 2 officers, 4 JCOs and 45 ORs as prisoners, during only one night of operations. The Indian brigadier came forward the next morning and requested for stopping the battle which he himself had started. His request was agreed to as he promised not to attack again.





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War of 1965, battle of Badiana. Pakistan Army 14 Para brigade, 'R' group in Bandiana area






"Indian troops are meeting no resistance and have captured the town of Gadro, six miles over the border. They are now said to be advancing on another town called Khokhrapar, 15 miles further on. This new front is in desert country as a route towards Pakistan's most important cities - Hyderabad and beyond that Karachi, which is 200 miles from the frontier. And with a new assault, fighting is now going between the two countries in five sectors spread along some 850 miles of border. This extending of line will help India, which has far more infantry divisions to deploy along it than Pakistan."







The real object of India is opening a large number of fronts and trying to grab as much territory as possible, has been explained earlier, but as elsewhere, her troops were not destined to succeed in their efforts. The march of Khokhrapar remained as to many other places, only a narrow mark on the maps in Army headquarters India. It was never allowed to materialized. In pursuance of instructions from Commander-in-Chief, Pakistan Army, 51 Infantry Brigade, (2 Infantry battalions, 18 Punjab and 8 FF) had moved from Karachi on 5 September and were getting into their battle locations when the Indian invasion came.







A party of journalists examining a Centurian tank left behind by Indians near Chawinda - September 1965




Commander 51 Infantry Brigade, Brigadier (later Brigadier General) K. M. Azhar Khan, asked permission to undertake offensive operations instead of waiting of the Indians to attack Khokhrapar. GHQ were reluctant to let this brigade disappear into the vastness of Rajputana desert but permitted the undertaking of limited offensive. The town and railway station of Monabhao was nearest Indian target. It lay six miles inside Indian territory and was being used by them, as railhead for the desert campaign in this area. A battalion of Mahratta Regiment and three companies of RAC held it.





People flock to see captured Indian armour in Lahore - September 1965.



The pre-attack shelling was undertaken on the evening of 9 September by mortar batteries. There was no great deal of ammunition to be used by the Indians needed even less to evacuate their positions. Only 17 rounds fired. 18 Punjab put in an attack on 10 September but the Indians did not wait long enough to fire the mortar shells they had stacked near their mortars and fled. The Indians as usual denied the fall of Monabhao and did not admit until foreign correspondents had visited the place. The Indian casualties in this encounter could not have been very heavy and their running away cannot be explained except, that, their soldiers from the south of India had no sympathy with the war which was of Northern India's making.




Indian Centurian tank being examined by journalists near Chawinda - September 1965.



The next place to fall on 13 September , to 51 Inf. Brigade was Panchilla, pronounced like Panchshila. The men, a company of 8 FF who captured this post had better luck. The Indians put up a better show. The result was that, one JCO and 33 ORs were captured in addition to a number of Indians killed. The quantities of Rum found among the rations left behind the Indians spoke well of the minute care given to proper logistic support of the army in this sector by the Indian High Command. D Company of 18 Punjab commanded by Major Mohammad Taj, put in well directed attack on Shakarbu Post on 15 September. The enemy was holding the post with one company and was entrenched. The Indians put up a fairly good fight but did not wait for the final charge. They left a number of dead and the trenches were found to be well stocked with ammunition, rations and rum.




An operational tank squadron of the Pakistan army equipped with the Indian tanks (French-built AMXs) captured in the Chamb battle, out on manoeuvres.





Kharin Post was close by and as a movements of men and vehicles were observed it was decided to capture that post as well. The day still young, it was only 1500 hours, and the men were keen for another dash forward. They were not very fortunate. The Indians sensed the attack and when the company reached the enemy position, it found plenty of rations but no Indians. Theyhad left in a hurry.





Jeep left behind by Indian Maj Gen Prasad at Lahore front - September 1965.



The indians however came back and launched a counter-attack, supported by tanks at 1730 hours. The platoon commander of the forward most platoon, Subedar Mohammad Elias handled his platoon in a superb manner. The two leading tanks were destroyed by one round eachof RR which discouraged the others. The counter-attack gradually slackened and by 1945 hours the Indians started breaking contact and eventually retreated, having suffered fairly heavy casualties.



'A' Company 8 FF, commanded by Major Aqil dad, raised the enemy position in the area of Jaisandar on 17 September. The information must have been incomplete. It was thought that there was hardly an enemy infantry battalion at this place. It, however, turned out to be occupied by the entire 30 Indian Infantry Brigade, consisting of 3 Guards, 1 Garhwal and a Border Police battalion. The raid was a complete success. The outer cordon was broken through and two Indian companies badly mauled. This forced and Indians to put in a number of couter-attacks, on the position held by them, a little while ago. Indians suffered as a result very heavy casualties. The company commander, although wounded earlier on, continued to exercise control, and withdraw his company after a good day's fight.



Some of the Indian Army Officers captured by 6 FF regiment



The next target was Roheri. By then the local Mujahids, Hurs Free men, had joined the ranks of pakistan Army as volunteers. An infantry patrol aided by Hurs raided this post. The Indians put up better resistance at this point but eventually evacuated it. Initially it was not meant to occupy Roheri, but as it appeared to be an ideal base for deep patrolling and raiding the Indian posts in the rear, it was occupied and made good use of until the end. The Hurs loved this sort of task. They are born fighters and an extremely disciplined body of men. They obeyed orders as if they had spent a lifetime in the army and were perfect sportsmen. They refrained from looting and burning or shooting after the enemy had turned its back. It was against their code of conductin battle. The country was also suited for deep raides. Rajputana, in thispart, is a vastdesert, full of sand dunes, dotted with occasional stretches of under growth nut, has very little water. It is fairly hard soil in places but mostly there are soft patches and M.T. movement is not easy. Troops used to long marches alone can operate in it. The indians do not seem to have chosen the ideal troops for this area. They had;

5 maharatta Light Infantry from Maharashtra: 30 Indian Inf. Bde.
3 Guards (a mixed unit)
1 Garhwal
6 RAC (a mixed unit)
7 RAC (a mixed unit with some locals)
4 Maharatta Light Inf. From Maharashtra: 85 Indian Inf. Bde
17 madras
13 Grenadiers (a mixed unit - Camel borne)


51 Infantry Brigade, had to undertake the major portion of its fighting after the cease-fire, when the Indians launched a major offensive all along this front to avenge their past defeats. It resulted in some severe battles but except adding to the number of their casualties the Indians did not achieve anything. They lost 5 officers, 3 JCOs and 50 ORs as prisoners in the battle of Sundra alone. 8 FF commanded by lt. Col. M. M. janjua despatched a company to defend it against the Indian attack by 4 Maharatta Light Infantry. They not only drove them back but also having inflicted heavy casualties, stopped them from coming forward again.

Desert Force

The Desert Force consisted of a few companies of West Pakistan Rangers and mujahids - the Hurs of Sind. They were allotted the Sector opposite the Indian State of Jaisalmir. Their task was to protect the LOC Lahore-Karachi in the area of Rohri and Khairpur and stop any aggressive move by India in this sector.

The indian forces opposite this small but determined band of men were Rajistan Armed Constabulary and units of Indian Army supported by light and medium artillery. They had also some of horse and camel cavalry units. The indians started the war in this sector on 8 September, this trying to coordinate their efforts wuth the attack into Sind against Gadro. Their attacks were not allowed to materalize and in fact they were pushed back.

Desert Force retaliated soon after and attacked tannot post. The lack of artillery support did not permit the attack to go in which was, therefore called off. The Sector however received reinforcement in the shape of 23 FF, a newly rasied battalion, from amongst the Army reservists, and a mortar battery. This made all the differences and the Desert Force was ready to go the offensive.

The main battle in the sector was was Sadhewala but this happened after the cease-fire . the Indians suffered heavy casualties in this actions and it stopped their inching forward movement which as elsewhere, they had started after the cease-fire agreement.

@prado homo- no need to spoil the thread with your lies.




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PAKI-stan. Ass tore in EVERY war...!!!

Haw, haw, haw....

Haw, haw, haw....*********************

RE: u actually sound like a donkey

just wait till the ak2 tank rolls out

Good pics.

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great story prado, thx.

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"great story prado, thx."

Yeah, thats what it is, a great STORY, Fiction.

Battle of Asal Uttar which became the graveyard of phuckistani tanks is a fact, whatever lies prado is spewing is consistent with phuckistani habit of speaking lies to hide facts.

Many of the pics are fake or with wrong captions, but obviously phuckistani propaganda machinery is impressive. Ask them who won the 1971 war and pat will come the answer "India did not win the war, phuckistan lost it due to 'civil war' ".




colours of Kaziranga

great story prado, thx.*******

RE: no worries... this battle was crucial if india succed they would tore pakistan in 2 literally

this battle was showcase of pakistan military skills in combined arms and training, PAF timely anti tank bustng role was privotal not to mention the stubborn pakistani defense. it showed that a small better trained, led and motivated force stopped the indians butt cold.

Indians despite having air support were very unsuccessful.

Well Prado...good to see that you made cry these dothead piss drinkers again....hehehehahahahehehe

Imagine, after partition what we got ...VERY LITTLE ARMS forward in Hindu dominated defence audit.. with very little number of weapons Paki made them cry again and again...that call the art of war....Indian had every thing in their defence forces and Pak had very very little...Thanks to our American friends, who gave very few high tech weapons and Pak proved and made American proud about thier right choice of delivery. Since then American never feel uncomfortable to arm Pak with their best teeth...

PEACE

Battle of Chawinda - PAF's role


During the following days, the PAF Sabres continued to play a decisive part in the battle of Chawinda, which became a graveyard for the enemy's Centurion tanks. And despite sporadic sorties, the IAF was powerless to intervene, as indicated by the conspicuous lack of contact with enemy aircraft experienced by the PAF strike force. In the extreme south, the small close support force under Squadron Leader A A Randhawa, operating from Mauripur, completed 33 missions against Indian army targets in the Rajasthan area with considerable success, claiming up to 30 tanks and 150 vehicles destroyed or damaged, as well as helping to disrupt the enemy build up and his lines of communications. Most of the Mauripur F-86 effort, however, was directed towards CAP and air defence, which together accounted for 160 sorties. On 19 September in an encounter over Chawinda, PAF fighters shot down an Indian Gnat, whose pilot F/L MayaDev Ejected and became POW.











PAF Sabres from No 32 Fighter Wing based at Sargodha contributed decisively at the battle of Chawinda in Pak Army's counter armour operations.








A section of four Sabers led by S/L Azim Daudpota were interrupted during their attacks on Indian armour in the Alhar (Sialkot) area, on which they had expended most of their ammunition, by the arrival of a similar number of IAF gnats. S/L Daudpota recalls:

"We punched tanks and my numbers two and three broke hard away from Gnats. But before they could get clear, my No 3 F/L S.M. Ahmed, received several hits around the tail of aircraft from the twin 30mm cannon of one of the Gnats. In the meantime, I saw two of the Gnats breaking off to the right. I immediately reversed to get behind the second enemy aircraft but it was too fast for my Sabre. I kept up the pursuit for some time but eventually it got away. My No 4, F/L Saiful Azam who had earlier lost contact with the formation managed to get behind one of the Gnats and shot it down. The pilot, Fit Lt Maya Dev ejected and was captured by our troops."

As it turned out, honours were more or less even in this combat, since although F/L Ahmed got his damaged Sabre back to Sargodha, it failed to respond to the controls when landing and stalled in and crashed on the end of the runway from about 20ft. Miraculously, F/L Ahmed was thrown clear when the F-86 hit the ground and exploded and he was rescued amid a hail of sporadic fire from his own guns. He was unconscious for a day or more, but eventually recovered. PAF claims for 19 September in addition to the Gnat included 19 tanks and six vehicles destroyed.

The subsequent official Indian version of this air combat was that the four Gnats, led by Sqn Ldr Denzil Keelor, with Fig Off Rai as his No 2. Fit Lt V. Kapila as sub-section leaders, and Fit Lt Maya Dev as the No 4, were detailed as escorts for four Mystere IVAs scheduled for close support in the Chawinda area. It continued:

"Suddenly Maya Dev called out a warning that four Pakistani Sabres were approaching to attack the Mysteres. The four Gnat pilots spotted the Sabres on their left above them at about 4.000ft. Denzil Keelor and his pilots were a bare 300ft above the ground but started a shallow left-hand turn and the Indian squadron commander ordered Kapila to engage the nearest Sabre."

"Despite violent evasive action by the Sabre. Kapila's Gnat was reported to have got on to its tail. After the Indian pilot had jettisoned his drop tanks he slipped into a firing position and reducing the distance to 500 yards gave a short burst - which at once went home.' The Sabre was then said to have slowed down., and Kapila fired again from 300 yards. This is long-range shooting, even for 30mm cannon. Kapila admits that he did not see the F-86 hit the ground but Keelor and Rai, who had been following him and Maya Dev watched the end of the Sabre. After Kapila's second burst, it spun and hit the ground exploding on impact. Keelor called out to Kapila confirming his kill."

Fit Lt Ahmed's Sabre certainly did hit the ground but not before it had flown all the way back to Sargodha. And the Indian account does not explain how Gnat pilot 6508 F/ Lt V. M. Maya Dev came to join the ranks of Indian prisoners-of-war in Pakistan on 19 September. It does go on, however to claim that another Sabre in this formation was also shot down, by Sqn Ldr Keelor. This was also reported to have been hit from a range of less than- 500 yards which is pretty fancy shooting.

"A couple of bursts were enough to send the Sabre crashing to the ground. It was only when the Sabre hit the gound that Keelor realised that he himself was skimming the tree tops."

The only problem with this Indian claim is that PAF have no record of losing another Sabre that day. This type of propaganda created the legend of the Gnat as a 'Sabre Slayer'.

In the north of West Pakistan, 19 Squadron continued its close support activities throughout the war, under 'Nosey' Haider, flying a total of 571 sorties. After the critical events of 7 September, most of 19 Squadron's efforts were assigned mainly to ground attack rather than air defence or CAP, although a few sorties were also devoted to counter air commitments. Approved targets were passed to the squadron from Air Headquarters but specific details of tactics were left to the unit commander. One solution adopted by 19 Squadron to the problem of target location was simply to go in low and head towards the heaviest ground fire.




"Nosy" Haider



No fewer than 21 hits by ground fire-mostly from small arms-were registered on its 20 aircraft, but 19 Squadron was unique among the PAF Sabre units in not losing a single machine from its establishment during the entire period of hostilities. This was all the more remarkable for the diversity and intensity of its attacks, reflected in it being credited with 14 aircraft destroyed and six damaged, 74 tanks destroyed and 68 damaged, and 140 vehicles and 16 guns destroyed.

\\Battle of Chawinda \\


Battle of Chawinda is just one of the battles fought during the 1965 war. India's intention was not to invade pakistan but to punish pakistan for its infiltrations in Kashmir.

The pakistanis sent inflitrators into kashmir and then sent their army.The Indians responded by crossing the International Border and reached within the outskirts of pakistan's biggest city Lahore.In the meantime , the ceasefire came in and everyone went home. The pakistani dictator Ayub Khan support declined because of the pakistani defeat in the war.So what exactly are the pakistanis trying to prove with their colour paintings and mythical stories ?

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3453.htm

After Pakistan's loss in the 1965 war against India, Ayub Khan's power declined. Subsequent political and economic grievances inspired agitation movements that compelled his resignation in March 1969

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the cease fire came bcos we gave india a very bloody nose....


no one is saying we "won"...1965 was a stalemate by most analyst..

this a celebration for the pilots, infantry men and tankers who fought exceptionally well against a out numbered, out gunned and out experince enemy.


even today paki pilots are rated better than indian and so our infantry. deal with it dothead.


Saijad Haider "nosy" has recently released a book called "Fight of the Falcon"... bellying many of the myths of the 1965 and 1971 war... go read it.. good for your brain

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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\\no one is saying we "won"...1965 was a stalemate by most analyst..\\


It is more a pakistani defeat than a stalemate.It was pakistan which first initiated the war to capture kashmir.The Indians not only defended Kashmir but also took pakistani territory by the time of ceasefire. At the time of cease fire, India occupied 690 sq miles of paksitani territory.The pakistanis had 250 sq mi of Indian territory, mostly in Thar desert.


It was pakistan which first initiated the ceasefire, not the Indians.


This is the Time magazine report of oct 1, 1965.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,834413-1,00.html


'In the green and gold chamber of the U.N.'s Security Council, the eyes of the diplomats flicked back and forth from the clock on the north wall to the impassioned face of Pakistan's Foreign Minister Zulfikar AH Bhutto.he interrupted a scorching, anti-Indian diatribe, plucked from the stack of papers before him a telegram from Pakistan's President Mohammed Ayub Khan: "In the interests of inter national peace ... I have issued the following order to the Pakistani armed forces: they will stop fighting as from 1205 hours West Pakistan time today."

'Clearly, Pakistan had little choice but to accept the U.N.'s cease-fire ultimatum. Cut off from U.S. and British arms supplies, denied Russian aid, and severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N. To take those steps would have meant a permanent break with the West and an end to the Western aid that has so greatly stimulated Pakistan's economy. India, by contrast, is still the big gainer in the war. Shastri had united the nation as never before. Said one Western ambassador last week: "It used to be you could feed the word 'India' into the machine and it would spit out 'Maharajahs, snakes, too many babies, too many cows, spindly-legged Hindus.' Now it's apparent to everybody that India is going to emerge as an Asian power in its own right'

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the cease fire came bcos we gave india a very bloody nose....


LOL! What an utter moron! You started the war! Got bitchslapped and then had to run away with your tails between your legs.

Your own generals accept that fact! Want me to post Durrani munna's interview again kya? Capturing Lahore was not even an objective LOL!

You speak of Chawinda as if that was where the main force that would "capture" Lahore was broken...are the Indians stupid enough to invade a major city of tens of millions with that force?

Want some more of what your army officers say about Khem karan?


The total failure of the main Pakistani attack in Khem Karan
was ignored or forgotten in the smoke screen of glory created by official
propagandists, many glaring failures like surrender of an entire tank
regiment on Pakistani side in Khem Karan were overlooked.

And you think you defended at Chawinda because you were better soldiers?

Are you deluded..you blew up bridges and inundated canals due to which the only Indian armor that was effective was probably the PT-7!

It may sound unheroic and unromantic but the BRBL proved the English Channel
that saved Pakistans strategic position in the crucial Ravi-Sutlej Corridor.
This man made obstacle severely restricted the Indian freedom of manoeuvre and
nullified their relative superiority in infantry.

Without BRB there is no doubt that nothing could have stopped the
indians from entering Lahore on 6th September.

And that my friend, is a Pakistani major speaking..

Link -http://www.ordersofbattle.darkscape.net/site/history/historical/pakistan/aminkhemkaran.html

Go lie elsewhere LOL!! And don't forget to thank allah for the rivers he gave you, without them you'd probably have a trillion dollar GDP, secularism, democracy, amongst the most powerful armed forces in the world, a 7pc growth rate, and maybe uncle sam wouldn't be bombing your chachas everyday...oh wait..












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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

deluded indians... hhaha hahaha cant handle facts.....

you sourced Time?... we sourced from Indian ACM, Janes Defence and AFM..... who cares what Time is going to says certainly not the experts..

I'm directly quoting PAKISTANI generals and majors!! ROFLOL!

Stop getting owned this hard, I mean seriously...you're not helping your country here, lol!


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

i wasnt talking to u turd... i told u before i dont read your posts.

^ Closing your eyes to hide from the pwnage eh? ROFL. Must suck being you Prado. And just to own you a little bit more, if you don't read my posts how come you replied to that last post of mine? ROFLOL!!


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

go kiss a stone dothead.....

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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^ Oh I will..haha. You go stone your sister for not wearing her burkha!


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

1965 war was mostly a draw but in 1971 war Pakistan lost.I don`t get it about the whole argument.

^ Oh I will..haha. You go stone your sister for not wearing her burkha********

RE: once again wootness has shown what a third rate upbring he had by resorting to family insults when he cant handle my ownage.....

what a coward sitting behind a computer.... the again hindus are known for thier cowardice. just like those hindu soldiers who ran away from fully operational tanks...

Prado man, this is the first time I see you kicking some indian ass the way its supposed to be

keep it up

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\\1965 war was mostly a draw but in 1971 war Pakistan lost.I don`t get it about the whole argument.\\


Berzoya, 1965 is not a draw but a complete defeat for pakistan.They started the conflict with the intention of taking kashmir.At the end of the ceasefire, forget about taking kashmir, they ended up losing 750 sq miles of their own territory to the Indians. If you call that 'mostly draw', then well....

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You guys believeing the lies posted by prado? ROFLOL!!!!!

I think i will have to post articles on Khemkaran myself.




colours of Kaziranga

Berzoya, 1965 is not a draw but a complete defeat for pakistan.************

RE: a draw in military terms idiot.... with an edge to pakistan as it airforce pretty much owned the IAF, and it's army fighting the indian army to a stand still..

indian military impressed no one, even India Today stated the same citing "poor performance of most combat units"... with the kind of firepower u had in chawinda you failed to break the pakistani lines... that was the decsive battle that forced india to run to the UN for a ceasefire

your intellegence sucked as well you had no idea Pakistan had no more than a few days of ammunition left. yes thats how stupid u were..

as Field Marshal Ayub Khan rightly fully said 1 paki = 3 indians... lool how true


@FN

no body actually cares what u say. i told u before no body believes a liar. and y r huge liar that i have exposed and humiliated y over time. people only make fun of u and dont take u seriously... who would, and now u cant handle it.....tsk tsk

and u r just jealous cos i have credibility and u dont.. typical dothead loser. always jealous.

\\E: a draw in military terms idiot.... with an edge to pakistan as it airforce pretty much owned the IAF, and it's army fighting the indian army to a stand still.. \\


What is called 'draw' in military terms, idiot ? Trying to grab other people's territory, get your asswhoped in return and as a result your own country gets invaded and hence ultimately you go for a ceasefire. If the pakis call this 'draw', no wonder they lose every war and every time they lose , they call it victory using ridiculous logic like your's!


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\\indian military impressed no one, even India Today stated the same citing "poor performance of most combat units"... with the kind of firepower u had in chawinda you failed to break the pakistani lines... that was the decsive battle that forced india to run to the UN for a ceasefire \\


Indian military had much to be desired.But pakistani military was even more pathetic.Thats the whole point !


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\\your intellegence sucked as well you had no idea Pakistan had no more than a few days of ammunition left. yes thats how stupid u were.. \\


If you call that stupid, what do you term the even more stupidity of the pakistani intelligence which pushed infiltrators into kashmir but did not anticipate the Indian surgical strike inside pakistan.Are the pakistanis that stupid that they thought that Indians will simply keep quite and do nothing ? LOL

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hey dothead i understand u guys handle the truth... we all knew u banned BBC when hindus were mass murdering muslims...

but dont expect any one else believe your crap. as nehru correctly observed about indians "we live in a fool's world".....

and u r one big fool

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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"no body actually cares what u say. i told u before no body believes a liar. and y r huge liar that i have exposed and humiliated y over time. people only make fun of u and dont take u seriously... who would, and now u cant handle it.....tsk tsk

and u r just jealous cos i have credibility and u dont.. typical dothead loser. always jealous."

LOL!!

Did u fire a g3 rifle? NO

did you make any "research" on PAF? NO

Are u kashmiri? NO

Are you a liar? YES.

Go on b1tch... prove to WAFF how b1tchy u can be.





colours of Kaziranga

PATTON NAGAR











THIS TANK FROM CHAWINDA SECTOR, Busting prados myth.




colours of Kaziranga

Read what really happened and ogle at the busted phuckistani tanks.


http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Galleries/Wars/PattonNagar/1965/


The tank battles of 1965 took their place in annals of military history as the most intense ones ever, since World War II. Close to a thousand tanks, on both sides, took part in the pitch battles and offensives. At the start of the war, India had one armoured division and one independent armoured brigade, along with six armoured regiments supporting infantry divisions. Pakistan had two armoured divisions, equipped with the then very modern M-48 Patton tanks. India had an equivalent tank in the Centurion, but their strength was limited to only four armoured regiments.

India had its largest haul of Pakistani tanks when the offensive of Pakistan's 1st Armoured Division was blunted at the Battle of Assal Uttar on September 10th. Six Pakistani armoured regiments took part in the battle, namely the 19 Lancers (Patton), 12 Cavalry (Chafee), 24 Cavalry (Patton) 4 Cavalry (Patton), 5 Horse (Patton) and 6 Lancers (Patton). These were opposed by three Indian armoured regiments with inferior tanks, Deccan Horse (Sherman), 3 Cavalry (Centurion) and 8 Cavalry (AMX-13). The battle was so fierce & intense that at the end of the war, the 4th Indian Division (aka "The Fighting Fourth") had captured about 97 tanks in destroyed, damaged or intact condition. This included 72 Patton tanks and 25 Chafees and Shermans. 32 of the 97 tanks, including 28 Pattons, were in running condition. Indian losses in the Khem Karan sector were 32 tanks. Around 15 of them were captured by the Pakistan Army, mostly Sherman tanks.

India had its 1st Armoured Division on the offensive in this area. Equipped with four armoured regiments, this division faced stiff opposition from the Pakistani 6th Armoured Division. Some of the fiercest tank battles were fought at Phillora and then at Chawinda. At the end of the fighting, India had claimed more than 170 tanks destroyed, of which 42 were captured in the I Corps area (11 of them intact and 31 of them in destroyed or damaged condition). India's own losses in the area were 29 tanks destroyed and another 41 damaged, that were repaired after the war. This is substantiated by a Pakistani Official History of the 6th Armoured Division "Men of Steel" that states that 35 tanks were left in Indian control (17 M48, 9 M47, 9 M36B2) but that nine of these were recovered after the war when Indian troops vacated the area held by then.

But the fierce battles of 1965 were not limited to the Battles for Khem Karan, Phillora and Chawinda alone. The Indian forces fought Pakistani armour in other sectors as well and got the better of them. The famous see-saw battle for the village of Dograi resulted in seven Pakistani tanks falling into Indian hands on the night of September 22nd, just a few hours before the war ended. At Chamb, a courageous EME (Electrical & Mechanical Engineers) Officer worked under the Pakistani artillery fire to retrieve an abandoned Walker Bulldog reconnaissance tank right under the noses of Pakistani troops. Indian losses at Chamb were severe. An entire squadron of AMX-13 tanks of the 20th Cavalry was lost in trying to stem a Pakistani advance supported by a regiment of M-48 Pattons. By the end of the war, it is estimated that Pakistan lost nearly 300 tanks destroyed. India had more than 150 tanks in its hands as war trophies and it is not unsafe to assume that more tanks were destroyed, that were in Pakistani territory, both by army as well as air action. Indian losses were less than half at 128 tanks destroyed. About 40 tanks would have fell into Pakistani hands, most of them vintage AMX-13s from Chamb and Shermans from Khem Karan.






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captured phuckistani raiders, ROFLOL!!!




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Villagers join the police in ferreting out Pakistani SSG (Special Services Group) paratroopers, from a sugarcane field somewhere in Punjab. It was truly a foolhardy attempt by the Pakistan Army High Command to send SSG personnel to destroy & disrupt activities at Indian Air Force air bases in Punjab, as the mission resulted in a total failure.



THIS is phuckistani "special forces" for you.




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hhahha FN.,...your brown hair asss is fried like kentucky fried chichen....

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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Abbe prado chutiya(retard), keep posting and i will b1tchslap u like provost is b1tchslappin u in the Den.




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THIS is phuckistani "special forces" for you.
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What's so special about them? They surrender just as easily as Pakistani regular forces.



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

Villagers join the police in ferreting out Pakistani SSG (Special Services Group) paratroopers, from a sugarcane field somewhere in Punjab. It was truly a foolhardy attempt by the Pakistan Army High Command to send SSG personnel to destroy & disrupt activities at Indian Air Force air bases in Punjab, as the mission resulted in a total failure.

LMFAO!!!

This really happens?!?!?

I think Pakistani must make a record as the only "special forces" to be capture by villager with knifes and pitchfork! LOL!!!

^^ Actually the policemen saved their arse, the villagers were hell bent on lynching them in public and hannging their corpses like scarecrows ROFLOL!!!!

Indian cops had toconvince them that taking prisoners would b a better idea.

"What's so special about them? They surrender just as easily as Pakistani regular forces."

@eric- precisely the point, that add "special" because they think every army has a special unit, so will phuckistan.

I mean have u ever heard a group of "special commandoes" armed and on a mission not only captured by villagers but given a beating so sevre that they almost died- what a bunch of phucked up soldiers are they?





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@eric

u have had your asss handed on paki military matter more times than we do with the dotheads.. do us a favour dont post on matter u know nothing about..

@FN

the assami tea boy who gets raped by pakis, iranis and canadians... is they r any one who hasnt wacked u?

remember this Paki pilots and infantry are better than india;s any day any time....

now suck some white boy;s arse so that u can get your tip.

"@eric

u have had your asss handed on paki military matter more times than we do with the dotheads.. do us a favour dont post on matter u know nothing about.. "

anyone who exposes your lies gets their "ass handed" eh? Is that how you beggar scum console yourself?


"the assami tea boy who gets raped by pakis, iranis and canadians... is they r any one who hasnt wacked u?"

actually i have raped your arse- LOL!!! your iranian boyfrend is aso gettin raped by me, and who canadian you talking about?

BTW provost is really enjoying his time with you in Den, are you really that low life scum?

BTW wasnt it you who got sh1t scared when darra threatened you, in fact you stopped posting here for a week- almost as good as a ban!!! and in public you apologised to him ROFLOL!!!!

You are a certified arseclown punk... shoo away

"remember this Paki pilots and infantry are better than india;s any day any time.... "

yea arsewipe, phucki pilots are so good then UAVs r making the lives of phuckistani miserable, and infantry,..... havent we talked already about the 90,000 surrendered and the SSG beaten to a pulp by villagers?

"now suck some white boy;s arse so that u can get your tip."

Is this how you feed yourself and your family? by suckin arse? the IMF funds dont reach u punk, u live in some remote phuckistani province?








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@dak..

sorry i missed you posts... the thread was 2 large


Well Prado...good to see that you made cry these dothead piss drinkers again....hehehehahahahehehe *********


RE: dude going up against indians is like the aussie cricket team against UAE cricket team.... the score should not be kept.. it is 2 one sided


******Indian had every thing in their defence forces and Pak had very very little...Thanks to our American friends, who gave very few high tech weapons and Pak proved and made American proud about thier right choice of delivery. **************


RE: the reason to arm was bcos we were a memeber of CENTO. the sole purpose was 2 stop communist expansion and nothing else. about hi tech weapons well..... the f-86 was effectively obsolete as the missile armed F-4s were coming into service..

what americans did give us was good training in combat but also operations and maintanance. that is why a 100 strong performed so well against a 500 strong IAF. high sortie generations from a limited pool of pilots and planes was crucial for survival. and PAF delivered all the way..

it is pleasing to see so many indians and butt lickers fuming in jealousy even today......

@FN

u r back even after kia made chalo kebab out of u???...

dam.... what happened to the marhati girl u were dating (staring)??..... r still going out (in your wet dream).... or do u still need help in your sex life (pillow masterbation)?

Is this how you feed yourself and your family? by suckin arse? *********

RE: no i fiddle numbers...

but looking at your face lips i can see yor must kissed alot of assses... i am guessing your family is fed that way... or may be via the services of a humanrickshaw


the IMF funds dont reach u punk, u live in some remote phuckistani province? *********

RE: melbourne is remote region of pakistan?


jezz u r 2 stupid to insult....

"dam.... what happened to the marhati girl u were dating (staring)??"

WHY? Your wife kicked you out of the bed and your sister is too busy to date you?

"..... r still going out (in your wet dream).... or do u still need help in your sex life (pillow masterbation)?"

ahha.... you are not man enough to satisfy ur wife eh?

"RE: no i fiddle numbers..."

yea yeah, you fiddle with the number of customers that came n phucked ur arse... u are a pimp.

"but looking at your face lips i can see yor must kissed alot of assses... i am guessing your family is fed that way... or may be via the services of a humanrickshaw"

Ohho, actually you fiddle with the number of customers that vsit your family eh? and that has enbaled you to enjoy the services of a human rickshaw?


the IMF funds dont reach u punk, u live in some remote phuckistani province? *********

"RE: melbourne is remote region of pakistan?"

melbourne, now you are in melbourne? what happened to ur dubai dreams? you were lying there as well. Is lying your family habit passed on from generatioon to generation? do you come from a family of liars?

"jezz u r 2 stupid to insult...."

provost has made doner kebab out of it, now suck it up in ur balls.










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