First they send 30 000 more troops since Obama became president ... than they send mercenaries to fight their war making its number more than 50% of regular Army ....
Now they want 40 000 MORE troops and calling Russians to join in the fight with regular and special forces ....
LOOOOOOOL
They should send middle finger ... and sell some Igla to talebaies ... lol
By Daniel Gallington
According to Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. and NATO general in Afghanistan, "The situation [there] is serious, but success is achievable and demands a revised implementation strategy, commitment and resolve, and increased unity of effort."
Gen. McChrystal is telling Congress what that really means: To win the war - now in its eighth year - we will need 30,000 to 40,000 more troops on the ground and more cooperation from our friends and allies. Suggested here - and as part of the "revised implementation strategy" - NATO should be thinking of new ways to ask the Russians for help.
Specifically, NATO should invite Russia to send a substantial number of regular and special-forces troops to Afghanistan to help bring the Taliban down once and for all. Perhaps surprisingly, and if presented properly, it could be an attractive idea to the Russians as well, both for reasons of national pride and to help in their own wars against radicals in the Russian provinces.
Some history: In 1979, at perhaps the zenith of the Cold War, the old Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and carried on a bloody war there for 10 years. Because international politics were very different then and because the Russians were attempting to establish a communist regime, we aided the various forces from both inside and outside Afghanistan that opposed the Soviets. Many of them were the same forces and factions that now are arrayed against us, albeit a generation or two removed.
As with many epic struggles, the ironies of past alliances are far less significant than the risks represented by present threats and political realities. The fact is that most radical Islamic factions are united in their hatred of the West, including the post-USSR governments in Russia and in most of Eastern Europe. Accordingly, the struggle in Afghanistan is every bit as significant a threat to the Russians as it is to us and to NATO Europe - and we should be aggressively pursuing their active partnership in the wars against it, especially in an important country that borders the former Soviet empire.
The important thing is that the reasons for their more direct involvement make very good sense today. Furthermore, there are some new reports that they have approached NATO about getting a more prominent role in the Afghan war - they want to be involved in planning and intelligence activities, expanding their role from consenting to overflights and provide some logistic support. They have pointed out that the threat from the Taliban is much closer to them than it is to NATO. It's right.
We should take them up on it; not only that, we should integrate Russian regular military and special forces into the fight. How many Russian troops? That would have to be determined by mutual discussions between NATO and the Russian Ministry of Defense - or other appropriate authorities - as determined by the parties.
How many more total troops are needed in Afghanistan? The more the better at this stage in the war: So far, the United States has more than 60,000 troops there and our allies have 35,000. And, so far, the Russians have been cool to the idea of actually sending troops - however, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for NATO negotiators as they work toward a more significant Russian role in the war.
As Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates said recently, we only have a limited time to successfully resolve the situation in Afghanistan before we risk losing the support of the American people. Also, NATO's new secretary-general warned that a rush to withdraw from Afghanistan was "not an option" - this despite Western public opinion tiring of the war. This means that the new strategy envisioned has to be a winner. What better way to make it that than with a commitment from the Russians for a direct and more significant involvement in the war?
Where is the proof that thousands of mercenaries are fighting the war? Contractors are not necessarily mercenaries. A contractor could be the person who mops the floors or prepares the food.
"Korea has not been the only battle ground since the end of the Second World War. Men have fought and died in Malaya, in Greece, in the Philippines, in Algeria and Cuba, and Cyprus and almost continuously on the Indo-Chinese Peninsula. No nuclear weapons have been fired. No massive nuclear retaliation has been considered appropriate. This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origin--war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins, war by ambush instead of by combat; by infiltration, instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him. It is a form of warfare uniquely adapted to what has been strangely called 'wars of liberation,' to undermine the efforts of new and poor countries to maintain the freedom that they have finally achieved. It preys on economic unrest and ethnic conflicts. It requires in those situations where we must counter it, and these are the kinds of challenges that will be before us in the next decade if freedom is to be saved, a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training."-President Kennedy's Address at Graduation Exercises of the U.S. Military Academy, 1962
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"The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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"Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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India would be an ideal candidate only if the congress govt grows some balls and steps away from its idealistic horse sh1t. Theres a significant number of Indian soldiers already in Afghanistan providing security for Indian BRO personnel..just increase their number.
Make Afghanistan our new 'Strategic depth" before the pakis recuperate from their defeats in Swat.
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I don`t think Russia forgot USA policy when they were in Stan".
Agreed but i think it's time to move on and look at the wider picture, the Islamist fundamentalists does it and if you give them a head start they'll do your @ss big time in your peripheral republics sonner than later.
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LMAO. It's Christiandom trying to coming together for the common cause, resulting in the crusades all over again.
Seriously though, I can't see Russia jumping on this bandwagon unless there were some negotiations around Afghan and the missile sheild, and secret agreements.
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Where is the proof that thousands of mercenaries are fighting the war? Contractors are not necessarily mercenaries. A contractor could be the person who mops the floors or prepares the food.
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"Contractors are not necessarily mercenaries. A contractor could be the person who mops the floors or prepares the food."
come on, what do you think blackwater is?
@TOPIC- Wars are not fought for national pride and revenge, if Russia will attack Afghanistan it will b for Russian interests, not "revenge". Revenge and ego are important elements of international relations only in WAFF, not in modern realpolitik.
US can win the war if they want, just give Northern Alliance and especially this Abdul Rashid Dostum a free hand, overlook human rights violations and launch a blitz. Just see how these mule riding cowboys disappear.
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Its a good idea.Russia can be a US allie in these war and begin a new times of union.Why not?For Russia its the chance for a revenche againts the taliban and for the world is 1000 x better Russia and US be allie than enemies.And more,I think that China could help too in this war work and show his forces.In the end all world will gain in these case because we will be free,at end,of these retards sons of bi3345tches fanaticals talibans afgans and with united forces for to face news fanatics in others worlds countries or places in news allies works,like for exenple the FARCīs in south-america.
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lol, its NATOs problem now, aside from heroin smuggling(which wont go away) there is nothing in there for Russia. NATO should be happy that Russia shared its airspace, thats as good as its going to get.
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Russia'd allegiance can be bought but not for a handshake and a promise not to build a missile shield in Europe. If Obama offered a comprehensive Marshall plan style investment package, WTO membership, a real end to Jackson-Vanik, some joint technology development in aerospace that involves more than Russia selling the US titanium parts at a discount, we can talk about some sort of joint military operations (probably in Iraq and not Afghanistan anyway), but as it presently stands Russia's biggest trade partners are the EU and China and the US is something like 10th on the list. Russia basically does not trade with the US at all and so can choose to ignore Washington whenever it feels like it.
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come on, what do you think blackwater is?
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Not combat troops. They guard as do the other security contractors. Most contractors however never hold a gun.
"Korea has not been the only battle ground since the end of the Second World War. Men have fought and died in Malaya, in Greece, in the Philippines, in Algeria and Cuba, and Cyprus and almost continuously on the Indo-Chinese Peninsula. No nuclear weapons have been fired. No massive nuclear retaliation has been considered appropriate. This is another type of war, new in its intensity, ancient in its origin--war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins, war by ambush instead of by combat; by infiltration, instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him. It is a form of warfare uniquely adapted to what has been strangely called 'wars of liberation,' to undermine the efforts of new and poor countries to maintain the freedom that they have finally achieved. It preys on economic unrest and ethnic conflicts. It requires in those situations where we must counter it, and these are the kinds of challenges that will be before us in the next decade if freedom is to be saved, a whole new kind of strategy, a wholly different kind of force, and therefore a new and wholly different kind of military training."-President Kennedy's Address at Graduation Exercises of the U.S. Military Academy, 1962
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"The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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"Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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