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Gandhinagar: The Air Chief Marshal PV Naik on Wednesday admitted that India was no match to China when it came to air power.

"Our present aircraft strength is inadequate. Aircraft strength is one third that of China. The Government of India is doing a lot to augment Air Force capability," Naik said.

Interestingly, former Navy chief Suresh Mehta had also, last month, claimed that India is no match to China when it comes to military strength.

He, however, chose to downplay the threat from Indias eastern neighbour amid reported violations of the Indian airspace and territory by Chinese troops.

No imminent threat

Stressing that India must build up its weapons capability to thwart such attempts, Naik said, There are two ways to look at Chinese incursions. One way is to take up weapons and go to the border. Other way is to build systematic weapons capability to tackle the threat.

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The IAF chief also stressed that there was no imminent threat from the Dragon.

He also refuted reports of violation of airspace along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) by the Chinese. As far as Air Force is concerned there are no Chinese incursions, he said.

Adding that the strategy being adopted by the IAF was to play it cool for now.

The IAF Chiefs remarks came a day after China's Ambassador to India, Zhang Yan met Home Secretary GK Pillai and tried to clarify the picture over the reported border incursions.

The Chinese Ambassador's meeting came in the wake of repeated assertions by top Indian officials and even the Army Chief that reported incursions in the recent past occurred due to differences in perception of the LAC.

Even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh downplayed the incursions amid reports about Beijing's unhappiness at the way Chinese border transgressions have been reported in the Indian media to conjure up a China threat.

Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao had also last week stressed that there was "no significant increase" in incursions across all sections of the over 4,000 km border between the two countries.

"Contrary to the popular perception, the situation along the border has remained peaceful for decades," Rao said.

National Security Adviser MK Narayanan and Army Chief Gen Deepak Kapoor had also cautioned against the media hype and stressed that there was nothing alarming about the reported incursions.

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FAAKHER E CHAAMB

Well, 1/3 or not thats one way to get attention and support to spend more money on the air force sector.

india can't compete with China on numbers but only try to balance it with quality

China will keep building more and more of its own stuff while india has to buy everything and it takes almost a decade before a decision is finally made on what to acquire

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650-700 aircraft against 1900, obviously 1/3 of PLAAF. But PLAAF has ~900 Mig-19s and thats the plus point for India.Plane for plane IAF has better machines:

Mig21 Bison is better than PLAAF MIG-21

Mig-29 SMT2 is better than PLAAF mIG-29

Su30 MKI is better than PLAAF Flanker

Mirage2000-5, Jaguar Darin2 is better than PLAAF counterparts of same weight and category.

So we do have a thin edge against PLAAF, but 650 aircraft is too low. India needs minimum 800 frontline aircraft to defend its skies. India is too big for only 650 aircraft.




colours of Kaziranga

india have edge over PLAFF in crashing down their planes monthly

current operational aircrafts

IAF

98 MKIs
~70 MiG-29
51 mirrage 2000
100-110 Jaguar...most nearly finished their life-span

PLAFF

76 Su-27
120-130 j11
100 Su-30MKK/mkk2
120-160 J10
~100+ JH7
? j11b




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"india have edge over PLAFF in crashing down their planes monthly"

And PLAAF doesnt crash? Does China even report its crashes or the number of planes crashed? You guys have 50s era Mig-19 and none of them crash eh.





colours of Kaziranga

"100-110 Jaguar...most nearly finished their life-span"

What do you think the Darin 2 upgrades were for you dolt?





colours of Kaziranga

you won't get any mig-19 aka. J-6 crashes because they are retired, the only ones left in operation are a handful of trainers versions and conversion to target drones

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" I don't care if the cat is black or white, just as long as it gets the mice "

PLAFF crashes reported all the time in chinese. there're plenty of pictures on net..it's open source....they just don't crash so frequently like indians..lol

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Mig21 Bison is better than PLAAF MIG-21

Mig-29 SMT2 is better than PLAAF mIG-29

Su30 MKI is better than PLAAF Flanker

Mirage2000-5, Jaguar Darin2 is better than PLAAF counterparts of same weight and category. "

China doesn't have MIG-29s. Although the J-10 is not battle proven, I doubt its any less comparable to the types of planes India has. Besides the plane might be good, but it all comes down to the pilot.

Besides the plane might be good, but it all comes down to the pilot.

Where the PLAAF gets demolished due to their 110 average flying hours a year. And I'm taking it straight from FAS and jamestown.

Btw, the PLAAF have crashed a lot of SU-27's and sU-30's in the past...it just doesnt come out until a couple of villages get burnt down.


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"PLAFF crashes reported all the time in chinese. there're plenty of pictures on net..it's open source....they just don't crash so frequently like indians..lol"

You expect a totalitarian regime to be honest about this? They have banned sites like WAFF in China if i am not wrong and you expect them to be accurate about their shortfalls?





colours of Kaziranga

Why do you expect them not to honest about this?

WAFF is not banned. network54 is. know the difference.





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^^ why is any site banned? Are chinese so pathetic that they need their govt. to tell them what to do and what not to do? Did chinese have any say in this?

and why would a totalitarian govt ever b honest about their weakness, such regimes rule by power and their power is in their awe. Once the awe is gone then the power is gone, once power is gone then the hold over public is gone.

China will always reduce the number and lie about its crashes, its a commie govt after all.




colours of Kaziranga

lool lame analysis FN (as usual)

so india being a democracy (sham hindu facist state) and a "free" country always tells the truth???...

u mean like IAF total denial of Mig-21 loses in 1965 and after 30+ years they came out clean??? or least india today did... do want me list india's long list of lies?????

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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"lool lame analysis FN (as usual)"

is it more lame than your cock n bull story about the "research" you made on PAF- a phucked up research work, where you did some "research" yet you dont know the capabilities of PAF.

r u some masochist? do u like being humiliated and abused by me?

"so india being a democracy (sham hindu facist state) and a "free" country always tells the truth???..."

India is more transparent and India is accountable to its public, China is not. And dont wish that calling India a "sham hindu facist state" will hurt my feelings. I wish India was a facist state, thats the only language you international beggars understand.

"u mean like IAF total denial of Mig-21 loses in 1965 and after 30+ years they came out clean??? or least india today did... do want me list india's long list of lies?????"

like India did not win any wars right? phuckistan won all the wars- whatever rocks ur boat u b1tch, dont ruin this thread i dont have any biscuits to spare.





colours of Kaziranga

That is why India recently announced the purchase of another huge amount of Su-30MKI's and will be flying a 4.5gen fighter to replace the MiG-21's....

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"deeds, not words"

Wrong .. IAF is far more powerful than PLAAF, even USAF is so scared of IAF

The news is just commie propaganda

happy now .... hi indians .... is your pant wet yet ? .. if not ... masturbbbbrate harder .. it will be wet soon .. and you will feel stronger than china

"^^ why is any site banned?"

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well try to search for childporn in sweden. I bet you wont get any hit... all nation ban sites for different reason.


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No Matter Who Wins, our troops are always in Good Hands!

So Sweden also bans dangerous sites like Facebook, Youtube and such like China does?

Oh well, you learn something new everyday.

Either that or maybe Chinese like you (please, don't deny) who are living in free world should know better than this and strive for changes in Chinese laws regarding freedom of speech/information instead of equating Facebook with Child porn websites.

Indian Flankers are vastly superior to Chinese Flankers. The Indians sold their Su-30MK's to Belarus because in exercises the MKI would trounce the MK 9 times in 10. The Chinese would need a 3:1 numerical advantage to make up for the quality difference. The BARS radar is 3x more powerful than the toys installed on Chinese monkey models. India will also very likely get those new Russian made air-to-air missiles a good 2-3 years before China does as India paid for their development. Indian R-77's will thus outrange Chinese missiles by at least 16km's shortly.

I dont think Indian generals lose much sleep over the PLAAF.

The Chinese have a lot more bomb trucks though. The JH-7 is a tank killer of the sort the Indians rather badly need as they never got the Su-24 and dont have any Su-34's either.

"well try to search for childporn in sweden. I bet you wont get any hit... all nation ban sites for different reason."

I understand that WAFF has some characters who are deep into animal sex and human sex and stuff but calling WAFF a porn site is a bit far fetched eh?





colours of Kaziranga

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india has to buy munnition, spare parts , missiles etc.. to operate its AF while china is producing them at home. anyone who are related with military knows well that in a real war, nothing but logistic counts .


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^^ India license manufactures them, and given the quality of chinese made consumer goods i wouldnt put too much faith in their conventional bombs n missiles.




colours of Kaziranga

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"^^ India license manufactures them, and given the quality of chinese made consumer goods i wouldnt put too much faith in their conventional bombs n missiles."

you must be a bloody poor bastard who live in slum who can only afford cheap chinese made (which of course poor quality, which are designed for perhaps one off use, but still better than most indians products) .. you definitely can not afford high quality chinese made ... which are not cheap of course and I found them extremely high quality and far better tham any indians product .. if there is any

I never find any indian product here in NZ or Australia .. nobody wants them ... too crap .. chinese products is everywhere .. does it tell you something .. poor stupid indians ????

^^ And nobody really cares about the biased BS you waffle from your ass 100% of the time

so, why did you respond to my post then ..... if you don't care )))

poor indian who think india was a superpower

^^ bastard islamic rat who pretends he is aussie.

"you must be a bloody poor bastard who live in slum who can only afford cheap chinese made (which of course poor quality, which are designed for perhaps one off use, but still better than most indians products) .. you definitely can not afford high quality chinese made ... which are not cheap of course and I found them extremely high quality and far better tham any indians product .. if there is any"

you must be a bloody poor bastard living in ghetto in Australia who has to buy "high quality" chinese products when people buy Sony, Samsung etc. Its bastards like you who are running the chinese industry of copy/paste of western goods.

did you buy your fake play station yet punk?

"I never find any indian product here in NZ or Australia .. nobody wants them ... too crap .. chinese products is everywhere .. does it tell you something .. poor stupid indians ????"

Obviously you dont have the money to buy it so Indian goods are not displayed around Aussie ghettos. Masjid bastards like you can only afford cheap low quality chinese products made for cheap people like you.






colours of Kaziranga

rat worshipper, no need to call anybody "masjid bastard", we dont needings to hearings ur hendis female intercourse with well endoweds ummah brotherhoods producings the likes of urine drinkers aplenty in WAFF

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