The scenario is the following, the SU of 1975 vs Iraq of 1990. Iraq invades Kuwait and the SU wants to liberate Kuwait.

Basically it's Desert Storm all over again except that the coalition is replaced with the SU.
How would the SU fare against Saddam's forces?



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

Russia would have blockaded Iraq and watched the population starve to death. After millions were turned into refugees and a million more died of hunger the Red Army would march in to clean up the shambles of their decayed and dying civilization. The strategy in Afghanistan saw Russia destroy all Afghan agriculture and quite literally starve half a million plus of the population to death.

They would wipe them out in similar fashion except a lot more brutally. They could use their own local air bases and just violate Iranian airspace and bomb the hell out of the Iraqi's. I'm sure they would find a way to move rediculous amounts of artillery on scene and and just pulverazie everything.

They would take A LOT more losses especially with the defences that the Iraqi's had. But then again they may have just launched missles for a few weeks and then begain their true air war.

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irkut, the SU wants to liberate Kuwait in this scenario. Kuwait must remain intact and the population should suffer the least possible so a starvation strategy is out of the question.



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

"The strategy in Afghanistan saw Russia destroy all Afghan agriculture and quite literally starve half a million plus of the population to death. "

...and that worked wonders for the Russians in the end!

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It would have had Gorbachev not proven to be a pansy traitor who believed in "human rights" and "ethics" all things foreign to the Soviet soul.

I'm interested in our Russian member's opinion.
I believe, Westerners would say that the SU would have taken a lot more (well that's pretty logic considering the victory the alliance achieved) casualties. The question is how much more? A few hundred more, a few thousand more?



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

As evidenced by the recent NATO performance in Afghanistan the answer is "not many more."

There's no such thing as the SU; it's the USSR, usualy shortened to Soviet Union which itself cannot be used as an acronym.

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De Gaulle to the General Koenig, Norman hero of Bir Hakeim: "Hear and tell your troops: the whole of France is watching you, you are our pride."[

Indeed, it should also be noted that the S stands for socialist, no C for communist.

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The USSR would win in all scenarios. However, lacking stealth bombers and with inferior (for the time) precision bombing capability, they would loose lots of tactical and strategical bombers before neutralizing the Iraqi air defense system.

As to the ground war, it depends on how fast the ussr wants to win. If they send B and C class divisions to fight, it would be a bloody meat grinder which they would win with their superior air force.

If they used A class armored and mechanized divisions, they would win in days. After all, those divisions were meant to go from Berlin to the channel in a week, neutralizing the entirety of nato.

yeah but there tanks are not digital just like the m1a1 thats the only reason why the m1a1 won the tank battle because of digital technology and if the iraqis had the same thing with there T72's man america would get one huge slap on the face

The Iraqi's were using Soviet equipment and were aligned to the Socialist ideology of the USSR. The scenario makes little real sense since Kuwait would be the USSR's target.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."


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"Afghanistan saw Russia destroy all Afghan agriculture and quite literally starve half a million plus of the population to death."

And for that the world has to donate wheat to make sure the likes of shuja, darra etc dont starve. If any country was "killed" by another country then it was Afghanistan. Never again were they able to recover from the soviet onslaught and looking at the current situation, they never will be what they used to be.

Afghanistan as a country is dead.





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what a stupid senario..... SU v iraq!..why would it even happen?

more realistic would have been USSR v pakistan... after all the primarly reason for invading afganistan was get to pakistan;s baluchistan provice and sieze it;s warm water bases..

well so said the analyst back then

This scenario is all about "how would the SU have fared against Iraq", that's all. Don't waste time thinking about how realistic this scenario is.



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

//There's no such thing as the SU; it's the USSR, usualy shortened to Soviet Union which itself cannot be used as an acronym.//

Actually, "SU" is the ISO country code for the Soviet Union, valid in all 162 member countries of that organization.

And for that the world has to donate wheat to make sure the likes of shuja, darra etc dont starve. If any country was "killed" by another country then it was Afghanistan. Never again were they able to recover from the soviet onslaught and looking at the current situation, they never will be what they used to be.

Afghanistan as a country is dead.


Yes we agree there
Afghanistan's only future is as a future part of Pakistan



about the topic

Q1: What's SU?
Q2: Why would the Soviets attack Iraq?
Q3: Why would the soviets want to protect a NATO protected Kuwait?


Scenario:

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Soviet Tank Commander (somewhere in the Iraqi deserts)

We got friendlies incoming

It looks like Kremlin's being generous with us this time around, we got so many reinforcements and that too from the opposite direction, Hail the Motherlands rear ....oops..... air power

Bang!!!!!!! Bang!!!!!!!!!!Bang!!!!!!!!!!

what was that?

sir, i think we were violated by the iraqis with our own tanks who joined in on the rear formation

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Kremlin (Presidential Bathroom)

So you are telling me that all our invading forces were blown apart by the tanks we gave to the iraqis?

Yes sir, but they joined on our rear and our boys never knew and looks like the iraqis modiefied the main guns to make them a bit more bigger and some reported condoms atop the front...
plus the orders given to our troops were to move forward and to never look back ...so....

Alright, so there is a chance the Iraqis might launch a counter offensive?

Well sir, we aren't sure but there is a chance...

A chance,so you say they can come here and **** our tanks in Moscow? Damn, Follow the protcol 107-b and invade Afghanistan

But Sir, what about the Iraqis?

Well if they try cuming on the motherland, we will just declare the Southern regions as independent states and have them fight a 100 fronts before thinking of Moscow

Oh wow sir, you are such a genius

Ok Ok now just let me pee in peace

Hail ugh...argh.. the mother grrrr..ahhhhh... Russ shuuu ia

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P.S: no offense intended








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