<< Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index  

China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

September 27 2009 at 2:07 PM
No score for this post
Dolphins win  (Login rockindie)
Satyameva Jayate(India)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6850841.ece

From The Sunday Times
September 27, 2009
China reaches out on 60th anniversary
Chinese drum dance players
Michael Sheridan

IT is designed to be a military spectacle to awe the Chinese people on the 60th anniversary of the Peoples Republic and to show the world a well equipped, modern force that is a far cry from the peasant army that swept the Communist party to power.

Nothing has been left to chance for the grandest martial parade in the history of modern China, which is due to roll across central Beijing on Thursday.

Chinese military websites say the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) will unveil six weapons systems, including new generation Jian-10 fighters and JL-2 ballistic missiles. Some 200,000 soldiers will march in 56 formations, one for each of the officially recognised ethnic nationalities in China.

Some of the soldiers will shoulder the latest sleek assault rifles, codenamed QBZ-95. The armys new battle tank, model ZTZ99, which is said to incorporate design lessons learnt from the performance of American armour in Iraq, will rumble across Tiananmen Square.

Overhead, Zhi-10 helicopter gunships, powered by Canadian-built engines, are to fly in formation above Beijings ancient palaces and gleaming new skyscrapers. They will share the skies with the ultra-secret KJ-series jet, a warning and control aircraft.

The parade is meant to consummate the transformation of the PLA from a revolutionary guerrilla movement into a sophisticated military using smart weapons and space-based surveillance systems.

It is an extraordinary achievement, said Liang Guanglie, the defence minister, in an interview published on his ministrys website.

Extraordinary measures to repress any opposition to the party at the end of its sixth decade in power suggest that despite having 2.3m men under arms, the leadership still fears foes at home.

Black-clad Swat teams of police will be deployed at key intersections and thousands of agents will stage a security clampdown exceeding anything seen for the 2008 Olympic Games.

Dissidents have been shut up at home or arrested. Police have banned peasants from coming to the capital to present their grievances as petitions, a tradition that dates back thousands of years.

Counter-terrorist squads, backed up by informers, are prowling the districts where Muslims from Chinas restive far west live. Peaceful Tibetan Buddhists are also under surveillance in their incense-filled temples. Internet users say censorship has never been so restrictive. Facebook and Twitter are among the sites that have been blocked.

At the last parade 10 years ago, diplomats were able to watch from balconies in their compound. This time residents have been warned that if they step out they may be shot.

We must abide by Deng Xiaopings instruction that China must be under the leadership of the Communist party, declared the Peoples Daily on Friday. If this fundamental principle is altered, China will go backwards, split and fall into chaos.

A lone anonymous citizen responded on the website of Hong Kongs Phoenix TV, which is read by millions on the mainland: Since you are so great, glorious and correct, why dont you dare give the people the vote?

Questions like that will not be on the agenda for President Hu Jintao when he returns, garlanded in state media praise, from the United Nations and the G20 summit in Pittsburgh.

Inside China the 60th anniversary parade is seen as the crowning glory to a sequence of events that has fascinated the outside world, from the 2008 Olympics to the acknowledgment of China as a leading player in the world economic crisis.

While Britain and America struggle out of recession, Beijings state capitalism looks likely to achieve its target of 8% economic growth this year. Independent economists say its growth model of cheap exports and low wages cannot last in the long run; but in the short run Chinese leaders have survived a 25% drop in exports and the loss of 20m jobs.

After 1949 China closed itself off to the world in Mao Tse-tungs experiment with utopian socialism a period of purges and famine that cost at least 30m lives and which the party would prefer to forget.

Chinese people were the slaves of Mao, commented a netizen named Xinling in his blog last week.

The fact that he could make such a statement shows how the internet, despite its 30,000 online censors, continues to liberate Chinese public opinion.

Since reform began in 1979, foreign trade has allowed China to pile up £1.25 trillion in foreign exchange reserves while raising 200m people out of poverty. Now strategists speak with confidence of a day when the dollar no longer rules and the West declines.

Nervous other powers are encouraging the Chinese to become responsible stakeholders in the international system that Mao once sought to overturn. Nobody wants to repeat what happened when imperial Germany and Japan emerged on the world stage a century ago, said a British diplomat with long experience of negotiating with the Chinese.

On that score there are grounds for optimism. Speaking last week at the UN, the president pledged China for the first time to a significant reduction in carbon emissions, saying it would clean up its ruined environment and promising to fight global warming.

He also committed China to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, saying all countries should strictly comply with non-proliferation obligations, refrain from double standards and tighten and improve export controls.

Western diplomats find the new tone encouraging, coming from a country that gave the designs for its own atomic bomb to Pakistan in a cold-blooded move to weaken their joint rival, India.

However, China continues to protect North Korea, a treaty ally, and to argue against sanctions on Iran, a vital oil supplier. Its friends in Africa include President Omar Bashir of Sudan and Zimbabwes Robert Mugabe.

Not everyone in Beijing speaks in the silky language of the foreign ministry. Thursdays parade is certain to provoke an outpouring of virulent nationalism. Curiously, the enemy most often spoken of is India. The censors permit alarmingly frank discussion on the internet of the merits of a war against India to secure the Tibetan plateau.

Help the Maoists take over power in India to pay them back for hosting the Dalai Lama, said one contributor.

Veterans who know the PLA from the inside say that despite all its shiny new kit, such grandiose ideas mask the reality of a force that has no recent battle experience and is riddled with corruption. They describe a system of bribes ranging from 10,000 yuan (£909) to get a good post for a private soldier to 30,000 yuan for a place at military college.

Compared with our last war against India in 1962, our equipment is much better but the devotion to country and people of our officers and men is much worse, said a retired officer, who cannot be named.

Or, as General Zhang Shutian, a political commissar, put it in a recent speech: If corruption in the army continues, ideology will decay and open the way for religion, while the promotion system risks causing a mutiny.

Contact our advertising team for advertising and sponsorship in Times Online, The Times and The Sunday Times, or place your advertisement.



Times Online Services: Dating | Jobs | Property Search | Used Cars | Holidays | Births, Marriages, Deaths | Subscriptions | E-paper

News International associated websites: Globrix Property Search | Milkround



Copyright 2009 Times Newspapers Ltd.

This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard Terms and Conditions. Please read our Privacy Policy.To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from Times Online, The Times or The Sunday Times, click here.This website is published by a member of the News International Group. News International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY, is the holding company for the News International group and is registered in England No 81701. VAT number GB 243 8054 69.




 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.Respond to this message   
AuthorReply


(Login COWlan)
Moderators

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 2:56 PM 

For a Times article, its got quite a few mistakes.

[linked image]
Whoever said winning isn't everything must be a loser...

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

AryanArya
(Login AryanArya)
Satyameva Jayate(India)

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 5:02 PM 

\\Not everyone in Beijing speaks in the silky language of the foreign ministry. Thursdays parade is certain to provoke an outpouring of virulent nationalism. Curiously, the enemy most often spoken of is India. The censors permit alarmingly frank discussion on the internet of the merits of a war against India to secure the Tibetan plateau. \\



So India is now the new bogeyman ! LOL


What happened to the usual suspects ? Taiwan/Japan/US ??







===========================================
Let Noble Thoughts Come to Us from All Sides- RigVeda

-------------------------------------------
[linked image]

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

Big Fat Panda Bear
(Login BigFatPandaBear)
GROUP LEADER

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 5:05 PM 

So India is now the new bogeyman ! LOL

According to who? LOL

Indians tries to make India a rival of China but Chinese ignore it like any other black African nation. LOL

-------------------------------------------------

[linked image]


 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

AryanArya
(Login AryanArya)
Satyameva Jayate(India)

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 5:33 PM 

\\According to who? LOL \\


According to the chinese as reported by The times ! LOL




\\Indians tries to make India a rival of China but Chinese ignore it like any other black African nation. LOL\\



That is what i like to beleive ! But there is increasing evidence coming from Non-Indian sources (including chinese sources) that that's not the case any more unfortunately ! LOL

===========================================
Let Noble Thoughts Come to Us from All Sides- RigVeda

-------------------------------------------
[linked image]

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

Big Fat Panda Bear
(Login BigFatPandaBear)
GROUP LEADER

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 5:40 PM 

There is nothing outside the web that has India being any more important to China as a rival then Nigeria. LOL

99.99% of all trade, military and inter-people communications between China and the world is conducted on the East coast.

India is meaningless to China as a nation. On the English-speaking web, though, India is a bigger rival of China than the US. LOL

-------------------------------------------------

[linked image]


 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

AryanArya
(Login AryanArya)
Satyameva Jayate(India)

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 5:48 PM 

\\ On the English-speaking web, though, India is a bigger rival of China than the US. LOL \\


If that is really true, then i am worried.Because the English speaking web is the largest online source of news , not to speak of open source intelligence in the world ! LOL

===========================================
Let Noble Thoughts Come to Us from All Sides- RigVeda

-------------------------------------------
[linked image]

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

Big Fat Panda Bear
(Login BigFatPandaBear)
GROUP LEADER

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 5:58 PM 

The English web doesn't represent actuality in China's world though because 99% of Chinese communicate only in Chinese language forums unlike Indian netizens who are 100% Anglo-phone.

In the Chinese web world, India is never mention except in passing as an annoyance by those who visit the English web. LOL



-------------------------------------------------

[linked image]


 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

AryanArya
(Login AryanArya)
Satyameva Jayate(India)

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 6:12 PM 

\\The English web doesn't represent actuality in China's world though because 99% of Chinese communicate only in Chinese language forums unlike Indian netizens who are 100% Anglo-phone.\\


The English web may not be actuality in china, but even the chinese get their non-chinese news from English web translated into chinese and posted in chinese web ! The Indians simply read the real news and hence are more aware of things while the chinese read a translated crude version of the real news and hence buy myths (like India being a threat ) more easily ! LOL




\\In the Chinese web world, India is never mention except in passing as an annoyance by those who visit the English web. LOL \\


The chinese who visit English web and get to know about India gets annoyed because he learns a lot of new things there which he is not previously aware of.He learns about the battle's like that of chushul and the clashes of 1967 and get to know how the Indians repulsed the chinese.He gets fits with rage and goes to the chinese web and exhibits his annoyance there ! LOL

===========================================
Let Noble Thoughts Come to Us from All Sides- RigVeda

-------------------------------------------
[linked image]

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.
Dolphins win
(Login LokkuBalla99)
Member

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 6:57 PM 

COWlan
(Login COWlan)

For a Times article, its got quite a few mistakes.



Well its Western media. Making "mistakes" is part of "free media".

Cooking up stories and following pre-set agendas and prejudices, as well as playing on and exploiting already existing prejudices is part and parcel. Evidence is "found" for conclusions already made in London or anywhere else. Morals and ethnics are non-existent.




 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.


(Login COWlan)
Moderators

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 7:15 PM 

Times has a reputation to uphold, so their articles are expected to be of better quality than just Joe Blow Daily. The average North American wouldn't be able to tell the mistakes in the article, but I for one finds too many to take the article seriously.

[linked image]
Whoever said winning isn't everything must be a loser...

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

(Login LokkuBalla99)
Member

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 7:54 PM 

Times has a reputation to uphold, so their articles are expected to be of better quality than just Joe Blow Daily. The average North American wouldn't be able to tell the mistakes in the article, but I for one finds too many to take the article seriously.


Guess you have not seen their coverage of Sri Lanka. One lie churned out after another with most sources being "anonymous". From September last year till mid July this year a day did not go by without some fabricated story being published in The Times demonising Sri Lanka and Sinhalese in particular, it was beyond an obsession.

According to the Times and other Western media immediately after the war (May 20-June 1st) a thumping majority of people in Sri Lanka were/are actually upset the LTTE was destroyed and are living in fear because of it. Truthfully their projection of people here being in "fear" and "hurt" over the LTTEs destruction is a reflection of themselves and the West who were furious with Sri Lanka for destroying the LTTE and annihilated their leadership on the ground (right up the final hour desperate calls came from London, Washington, Pairs, Oslo and Stockholm asking SL about the condition of Prabakaran and to enable "safe passage" for the LTTE leadership).


A white person I met who was here for business said: "the people seem to be in an awfully jubilant mood because the war is over, my understanding is that people were miserable about it".

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.


(Login BigFatPandaBear)
GROUP LEADER

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 8:19 PM 

The chinese who visit English web and get to know about India gets annoyed because he learns a lot of new things there which he is not previously aware of.

You would be annoyed too if people make up stuff just so they can be a "rival." LOL

Dude, India never mentioned in the Chinese web world. Indians in the English speaking-web try to link China to India all the time because without China, India is irrelevant. LOL

-------------------------------------------------

[linked image]


 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.

AryanArya
(Login AryanArya)
Satyameva Jayate(India)

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 27 2009, 9:50 PM 

\You would be annoyed too if people make up stuff just so they can be a "rival." LOL \\


The point is it is not a make up stuff. Some chinese think that anything which they are not familiar with or has no clue about is just a make up stuff ! LOL


Just like the battle of chushul or the clashes in 1967 with India ! LOL


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------


\\Dude, India never mentioned in the Chinese web world.\\



Yeah, they never mention India but just conduct anti-Indian polls ! LOL



http://survey.huanqiu.com/result.php?s=SFFzdXJ2ZXlfMTAyOQ@`5^1@@`5^1@



===========================================
Let Noble Thoughts Come to Us from All Sides- RigVeda

-------------------------------------------
[linked image]

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.
FN
(Login Free_Nation)
Elite WAFF Vet Club

Re: China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times

No score for this post
September 28 2009, 4:51 AM 

"A white person I met who was here for business said"

yeah yeah i know, we all meet ppl conveniently dont we?


[linked image]

colours of Kaziranga

 
Scoring disabled. You must be logged in to score posts.
Current Topic - China reaches out on 60th anniversary : The Times  Respond to this message   
  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index