Pakistan expects 'tough resistance' in Waziristan
AP
Published: October 07, 2009, 11:08

Islamabad: The Pakistani army expects Taliban and Al Qaida fighters in the South Waziristan tribal region which is considered the main base for Pakistan's Taliban movement to put up "tough resistance" against a military offensive, the army's chief spokesman said.

Major General, Athar Abbas also confirmed earlier reports that the military has completed preparations for the long-awaited offensive in the lawless northwest region bordering Afghanistan, but would not give a start date.

"God willing, peace will again be restored in the area through a successful operation," he told the ARY news channel in an interview that aired Tuesday and Wednesday.



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The US supports the movement as its officials have long pressed Pakistan to eliminate safe havens on its soil used by militants to plan attacks on American and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

Analysts say 10,000 well-armed militants, including foreign fighters, are in the region.

Abbas said the army had already tried to weaken the militants by surrounding them, blocking roads and targeting them through air strikes.

The point was to weaken the militants before launching a full-scale offensive against them.

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Pakistan/10355416.html

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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and of course the people of pakistan will pay for this offensive





Pakistan braces for more bombings
AP
Published: October 07, 2009, 07:54


Islamabad: Pakistan braced for more militant attacks ahead of an anticipated offensive against a Taliban stronghold, as the insurgents said they bombed a UN relief agency because international aid work was not in "the interest of Muslims."

The suicide bombing Monday at the World Food Program headquarters in Islamabad killed five people, prompting the UN to temporarily shut all its offices across the country.

UN humanitarian chief John Holmes said security at the UN offices would be reviewed.

Holmes urged militants not to attack UN and other aid agencies "on the pretense that we're doing something other than" humanitarian work, adding that the aid groups have "no political or religious or other agenda."


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The attack proved the Taliban retained the ability to launch deadly strikes in the heart of Pakistan despite government hopes that the August 5 killing of their leader Baitullah Mehsud in a CIA drone attack and recent military successes in the Swat Valley would send the group spiraling into chaos.

Pakistani officials have said they are prepared to launch another offensive to rout the Taliban from their mountain redoubts in South Waziristan.

Such an offensive would likely come at a high price for the military.

Washington has pressed Pakistan to crack down on the militants, and on Tuesday the top US commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, met Pakistan military chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani in Islamabad.

The Taliban said they would repel any offensive against their strongholds.

Spokesman Azam Tariq said the Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack on the UN office and vowed to carry out more attacks.


http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Pakistan/10355394.html

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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al-qaeda and taliban shouting abuses at phuckistanis will also be termed as "tough resistance" by the latter.




colours of Kaziranga

u r so stupid

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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I seriously am against the army going into waziristan... It will be disastourous.. waziristan is not like swat, its ppl are the wildest of all pashtun tribes.... they are used to clan warfare... their houses are like fortresses with gun towers an they are armed to th teeth with rpgs and anti tank missiles... a large scale operation by the army will be seen as an operaton to limit their autonomy and will be failures like those in 2004.

The best way to deal with this is to let the local "lashkar" or tribals deal with it.... Let US deal with its own problems

in case u didnt follow they did use laskars do the job intially... that didnt work, ok i agree to some extent drone attacks complicated things..

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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Have you guys been listening to the Pakistani news lately, the corrupt politicians are openly saying that we would never be going in Waziristan but we need the money. They also saying they disagree with almost everything in the bill that the American congress passed for Pakistani aid but they need the money.

Even after living with the Pushtuns we don't seem to get it, there is not such thing as victory fighting them.

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The Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was not crucified on the cross. They believe that he was raised to the heavens by the Lord and the Lord put someone (the Lord made him look like Jesus) in Jesus spot. There will be a day when Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) will return to this world. He will return not as a prophet but as a follower of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Upon his arrival all the world's Christians will become Muslims. After some time the whole world will become Muslim for the Lord has said the whole world will taste Islam. I can't wait for that day. Indeed only someone so great can bring something so beautiful.

Long live the great Muslim people.
Long live the great Muslim nations.

^ we are not fighting pashtuns

We are fighting lil coward sissies who like killing innocents and that too with blowing themselves up for otherwise they will be captured and we all know what will follow


its going to be hard and we will pay with lives of many strong men in the army and then innocents caught up in the bombings but we just can't let them be
its more than enough already...

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^ we are not fighting pashtuns

We are fighting lil coward sissies who like killing innocents and that too with blowing themselves up for otherwise they will be captured and we all know what will follow


its going to be hard and we will pay with lives of many strong men in the army and then innocents caught up in the bombings but we just can't let them be
its more than enough already...

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I believe the attack that happened in Peshawar recently was a plot by the corrupt government for an excuse to go into Waziristan. Like I said the politicians themselves say we never had to nor want to go but have to go because we need the money.

These are the very terrorists that if India was to attack today the Pakistani army would go to for help.

See Waziristan is home to the most hardcore tribes of the Pashtuns. This place is hell and even worse than southern Afghanistan.

There are tunnels under every home, there are cave networks that go from one side of the boarder to the other and the Pakistani government/military lack intelligence on them. They pray five times each day and smuggle weapons and drugs the same day.

Little boys and girls know how to use Aks and RPGs. They climb mountains with flip flops with a RPG and Ak in hand.

History is proof that everyone that went to war with them broke into a million pieces and my beautiful country has already broke please do not let it break again.

There is no victory against the greatest warriors of the Subcontinent.

How you fight the people that say we live to die?

Kill and be killed the cycle continues.

The United States have said that they will only protect the Afghan government from Taliban takeover and not fight the Taliban everywhere because they have failed so far yet we are taking orders from the United States to fight the Taliban.

A great Pakistani journalist said that even after living with the Pashtuns we don't get it, at least the outside invaders didn't understand the Pashtun people but we should know them by now.

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The Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was not crucified on the cross. They believe that he was raised to the heavens by the Lord and the Lord put someone (the Lord made him look like Jesus) in Jesus spot. There will be a day when Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) will return to this world. He will return not as a prophet but as a follower of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Upon his arrival all the world's Christians will become Muslims. After some time the whole world will become Muslim for the Lord has said the whole world will taste Islam. I can't wait for that day. Indeed only someone so great can bring something so beautiful.

Long live the great Muslim people.
Long live the great Muslim nations.

The lashkar can do the best job, they are the ones who defeated the uzbek militants when it was made clear they were harming pakistann.

THe best way for pakistan is to use the tribal lashkars... this operation will too costly for Us... I have relatives in the army and they are against the Waziristan operation, let the US deal with its own problems


University Professor Akbar Ahmed describes the culture and people of Waziristan and what the United States can expect.

Dealing With Pakistan's Wild West

The Globalist: How did you personally come to work in Waziristan?

Akbar Ahmed: In the 1960s, I took the exam for and entered the CSP, the Civil Service of Pakistan. This was the elite service, and members of CSP were posted as political agents in the tribal areas. As assistant commissioners, CSP officers found themselves quickly at the age of 25, in my case in charge of several million people. The assistant commissioner was in charge of law and order, revenue and the judicial system.
The religious figure and he becomes a dominant player in the area. Because of post 9/11 politics the local religious figures are easily identified as a local variety of Taliban.




The administration was like a triangle and the political agent was at the top. This was an old colonial structure from the British days and had many critics, but it was, by and large, better than anything else that Pakistan or the region could offer.



The Globalist: What was your first reaction when you were told you were going to Waziristan?

AA: I was thrilled. Waziristan was considered the plum appointment of British India and the most experienced and finest officers served here. It was considered one of the most dangerous and glamorous jobs in the British Empire. The South Waziristan Agency is a beautiful district high mountains, deep ravines, forests and isolated valleys.


Why was it considered so prestigious? Because it was strategically and politically one of the most important areas of South Asia. It housed the two toughest of the Pashtun tribes, the Wazir and the Mahsud. They were tough, politically sharp and proud tribes.


The tribes function on the basis of what is called the Code of the Pashtuns, the Pashtunwali. One of the features of the code is respect or honor. You must respect their code of honor. And one way to respect their code of honor is to respect their culture and their traditions.


These are tribal people. They are proud and ancient people. They can be difficult. They will argue every point for hours and hours and hours.



The Globalist: It is often said that the people of Waziristan have historically failed to modernize. Is this a fact or myth?

AA: For Pakistani officers it posed a challenge because of the widespread poverty and lack of educational and health facilities. However the people of Waziristan living in Karachi are as modern as you and me. But back home in their own region, they preserve their own custom and tradition. It is a conscious choiceand has nothing to do with barbarians living in caves. They opted for preserving their identity and a culture. They said this preserves our freedom. Thats what they treasured above all. They said, We have seen what you have done to Pakistan, what modernization means to Pakistan corrupt police, corrupt revenue officials, corrupt politicians. So they said, We have seen all this. What are you going to give us that is different? Why do you want to modernize us? Leave us alone.


These are tribal people. They are proud and ancient people. They can be difficult. They will argue every point for hours and hours and hours.




The Globalist: If democracy is about self-governance, do the Waziris have democracy?

AA: Yes, even if it is a local variety. To them, the most effective system is the jirga, the council of elders. If there is any major problem, the council of elders meets. It represents all sections of the tribe and decides on the course of action. It can be very effective.


Lets say we are part of a jirga, and Person A has had a fight with Person B over a piece of property and theres a problem and we have to decide who this belongs to. The jirga decides its Person As and declares that if Person B does not hand it over, the entire tribe will make sure that he hands it over. Its rough and ready, but effective.



The Globalist: How was political power in Waziristan historically organized?

AA: In Waziristan, historically, there are three sources of power: the governments political agent, the religious figure and the tribal chief.


What has happened after 9/11 is that, thanks to the U.S. strategy of choosing a strictly military approach, the political agent has been sidelined and the Pakistan army now runs all affairs. Musharraf abolished the administrative structure that had prevailed until recent times. A vacuum has therefore formed at the district or agency level of administration throughout Pakistan.


An army officer is not trained to run the civil administration. He is trained to be part of a modern army, not to deal with an agency containing different tribes and cultures. He will therefore make the same mistakes as any other foreigner. To make matters worse even the tribal elders and chiefs were marginalized after 9/11. That meant both the political agent and tribal chief were no longer functional.


Into that vacuum steps the religious figure and he becomes a dominant player in the area. His role
We have seen what you have done to Pakistan, what modernization means to Pakistan corrupt police, corrupt revenue officials, corrupt politicians."


is now exaggerated and expanded. Because of post 9/11 politics the local religious figures are easily identified as a local variety of Taliban.


The religious figure then says, Any chief talking to the army will have his head cut off. They begin to impose their version of Islam because there is no counter balancing force of either the civil administration or the tribal chiefs. And they become known as the local Taliban. So what you are seeing in both North and South Waziristan is indeed what you read in the press Taliban, Taliban. It is those guys who have taken over and they are really running things now. This is the classic case of a society that is no longer either in balance or harmony.



The Globalist: So would say that the most effective strategy for stability is to restore those pillars?

AA: Yes, it is to restore those pillars, restore the old practices. Currently, there is no communication, which involves respect and understanding, dignity and knowing the code of honor. President Musharraf, under U.S. pressure, has sent the army in three times. Each time he has been humiliated three hundred soldiers surrendered to the Mashsud a few weeks ago and they lost the Sararogha Fort to the Mahsud a few days ago. The only relationship today with the tribal peoples is through the missile and the bomb .


The Globalist: From your experiences with the people of Waziristan, can the issues that occur in the tribal areas ever be pacified? And could you answer both as a diplomat and as an anthropologist?


AA: The role of the political agent was defined as part-ambassador and part-governor. Speaking as a diplomat, Waziristan can be pacified and resolved through the code of honor, through understanding, through respect. As an anthropologist, I would say that it will not be easy until there is a proper understanding of society, of the chiefs, of the religious clerics, of what the young want. Remember there is a young generation. The young want change, they want a place in the sun, all this has to be recognized and only anthropologists give you that insight into society.



The Globalist: So, the most effective strategy is careful administration and treating everyone fairly?

Thanks to the U.S. strategy of choosing a strictly military approach, the political agent has been sidelined and the Pakistan army now runs all affairs.



AA: Yes, but unfortunately and perhaps tragically the odds arent good because the Americans, who seem to be on the war path if newspaper reports are to be taken seriously, have no idea of this type of administration. It is a colonial administration and Americans are not a very colonial people. The Americans are used to a mayor who is elected for a fixed period.


In Waziristan, when I was the political agent, I was accountable to no one, except for my own reputation. That is not a very acceptable concept in the West. A 21st century solution has therefore to be found which is informed by the past in which diplomacy and a shrewd understanding of the nature of tribal society often averted death and destruction while meeting the objective at hand.

"They pray five times each day and smuggle weapons and drugs the same day."






colours of Kaziranga

Pakistan is doing more for the war on terrorism than any other nation in the world.

Even more than the US because Americans had spent most of its war effort on fooking Iraq which was a SECULAR nation.

Indians should STFU here because they have done absolutely nothing to help in the war on terror (except for trying to sabotage Pakistan's efforts.)

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i personally dont think the waziristan ops will succeed as we have seen it else where these guys jus relocate...

can the luskars do it?? ubeks were easy.... paki/afgan talibans ? NO

the best bet to simple block the entire region... looking at the terrain i dont see how that is possible

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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You can't block anything, like I said they have tunnels under there homes and cave networks and the Pakistani government/army lacks intelligence on them. They move freely from one side to the other side of the boarder. To them it is all Pashtunistan.

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The Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was not crucified on the cross. They believe that he was raised to the heavens by the Lord and the Lord put someone (the Lord made him look like Jesus) in Jesus spot. There will be a day when Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) will return to this world. He will return not as a prophet but as a follower of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Upon his arrival all the world's Christians will become Muslims. After some time the whole world will become Muslim for the Lord has said the whole world will taste Islam. I can't wait for that day. Indeed only someone so great can bring something so beautiful.

Long live the great Muslim people.
Long live the great Muslim nations.

\\Pakistan is doing more for the war on terrorism than any other nation in the world. \\


The Pakistanis unleash those terrorists in the first place and then take money from the west to 'confront' those terrorists.Their economy depends on playing this double game !



http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2009/04/18/pakistans_double_game/


Pakistan's double game


'IT IS HARDLY a secret that Pakistan's Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence has long maintained close ties with the Taliban and kindred armed extremist groups.


In a recent story drawing on accounts from US and Pakistani security officials, The New York Times described how the secretive S Wing of the ISI provides militant groups with ammunition and fuel for the fight against American and NATO forces in Afghanistan. Operatives in S Wing also recruit new fighters for the Taliban from radical madrasas inside Pakistan. And ISI personnel help those groups with strategic planning, even counseling them when to step up and when to gear down their operations.

The good news is that, by using informants and intercepted communications, US intelligence was able to uncover the ISI's complicity with the Taliban. The bad news is that no matter how vehemently US officials complain to their Pakistani counterparts, nothing much changes.

The double game also brings Pakistan $1 billion a year in military aid from the United States.

This is how the game works: The army and the ISI hunt down Al Qaeda figures for the United States and have no compunctions about striking hard against Islamist radicals who want to seize power in Pakistan. These actions make Pakistan a valued US ally in the war on terror. But at the same time, Pakistan has an interest in keeping the jihadist pot boiling in Afghanistan. As long as the Taliban and kindred groups are in the field, American military aid continues coming in, and India is kept at bay.'



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Let Noble Thoughts Come to Us from All Sides- RigVeda

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You can't block anything, like I said they have tunnels under there homes and cave networks and the Pakistani government/army lacks intelligence on them***********

RE : i know..

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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See Waziristan is home to the most hardcore tribes of the Pashtuns. This place is hell and even worse than southern Afghanistan.

There are tunnels under every home, there are cave networks that go from one side of the boarder to the other and the Pakistani government/military lack intelligence on them. They pray five times each day and smuggle weapons and drugs the same day.

Little boys and girls know how to use Aks and RPGs. They climb mountains with flip flops with a RPG and Ak in hand.

History is proof that everyone that went to war with them broke into a million pieces and my beautiful country has already broke please do not let it break again.

There is no victory against the greatest warriors of the Subcontinent.

How you fight the people that say we live to die?

Kill and be killed the cycle continues.



Politicians are corrupt and they must all be burnt alive on the streets but that doesn't change anything

I must say again, we are not up against Pashtuns and trust me all Pashtuns will agree with me here that any one who kills innocents is nothing more than a ****ed up lil sissy and needs to be blown sky high

See Waziristan is home to the most hardcore tribes of the Pashtuns. This place is hell and even worse than southern Afghanistan.

k then we will turn it into the real hell, a couple bombs from the air every few minutes should do, no?

There are tunnels under every home, there are cave networks that go from one side of the boarder to the other and the Pakistani government/military lack intelligence on them. They pray five times each day and smuggle weapons and drugs the same day.

with most of the populace already extracted from the area, i am up for nuking that place if thats what needed to get it straight

anyone who is involved in crimes and killing or helping in killing innocents anywhere on the planet doesn't deserve to live another second anyway

Little boys and girls know how to use Aks and RPGs. They climb mountains with flip flops with a RPG and Ak in hand.

AK doesn't win you wars, planning and strategy does

History is proof that everyone that went to war with them broke into a million pieces and my beautiful country has already broke please do not let it break again.

Since when did we do things according to what history said? we the Pakistanis are known to do things differently and alter the history, didn't the history say Pakistan won't survive 5 years after we were created? didn't history say we can't make nukes? didn't they also say we were a failed state a hundred times and keep repeating every year and yet we are stronger than many of so called developed states? if history says those people can't be defeated than we will just alter it another time and prove we aren't the british or everyone who couldn't beat these people up

There is no victory against the greatest warriors of the Subcontinent.

great? anyone who is a criminal and is blowing up people everywhere or helping others doing so is nothing more but a scum who deserves to be killed on sight

greatest warriors? so killing yourself and a 100 innocents is the definition of a great warrior?

How you fight the people that say we live to die?

by putting a hundred bullets up their ass and drowning them into the rain of bombs from the top

Kill and be killed the cycle continues

well i would rather have this cycle continue rather sit and hear these terrorists killing more innocents in Pakistan or elsewhere

These are the very terrorists that if India was to attack today the Pakistani army would go to for help

i would prefer dieing at the hands of an indian soldier doing his job rather than one of these scum blowing me up somewhere on the road

and no we don't need their help, all they have done to turn us from the second fast growing economy to 0 is already enough and you think we should just let all those innocent lives gone for nothing and all those sons, husbands and brothers who lost their lives fighting these creatures in Swat and elsewhere should just be forgotten and we sit and rejoice with them and be thankful for all they have done?


but yeah i don't know what our govt will do and how they will handle all this, but if they go for one more peace deal than i guess i will have to train my own terrorist army to hunt down our politician scums

trust me dude, this is what most of the Pakistanis think and want to see happening, i don't know where you got your version of facts but its just not very fitting with every other normal Pakistani and specially not with me

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See Waziristan is home to the most hardcore tribes of the Pashtuns. This place is hell and even worse than southern Afghanistan.

There are tunnels under every home, there are cave networks that go from one side of the boarder to the other and the Pakistani government/military lack intelligence on them. They pray five times each day and smuggle weapons and drugs the same day.

Little boys and girls know how to use Aks and RPGs. They climb mountains with flip flops with a RPG and Ak in hand.

History is proof that everyone that went to war with them broke into a million pieces and my beautiful country has already broke please do not let it break again.

There is no victory against the greatest warriors of the Subcontinent.

How you fight the people that say we live to die?

Kill and be killed the cycle continues.

Politicians are corrupt and they must all be burnt alive on the streets but that doesn't change anything

I must say again, we are not up against Pashtuns and trust me all Pashtuns will agree with me here that any one who kills innocents is nothing more than a ****ed up lil sissy and needs to be blown sky high

See Waziristan is home to the most hardcore tribes of the Pashtuns. This place is hell and even worse than southern Afghanistan.

k then we will turn it into the real hell, a couple bombs from the air every few minutes should do, no?

There are tunnels under every home, there are cave networks that go from one side of the boarder to the other and the Pakistani government/military lack intelligence on them. They pray five times each day and smuggle weapons and drugs the same day.

with most of the populace already extracted from the area, i am up for nuking that place if thats what needed to get it straight

anyone who is involved in crimes and killing or helping in killing innocents anywhere on the planet doesn't deserve to live another second anyway

Little boys and girls know how to use Aks and RPGs. They climb mountains with flip flops with a RPG and Ak in hand.

AK doesn't win you wars, planning and strategy does

History is proof that everyone that went to war with them broke into a million pieces and my beautiful country has already broke please do not let it break again.

Since when did we do things according to what history said? we the Pakistanis are known to do things differently and alter the history, didn't the history say Pakistan won't survive 5 years after we were created? didn't history say we can't make nukes? didn't they also say we were a failed state a hundred times and keep repeating every year and yet we are stronger than many of so called developed states? if history says those people can't be defeated than we will just alter it another time and prove we aren't the british or everyone who couldn't beat these people up

There is no victory against the greatest warriors of the Subcontinent.

great? anyone who is a criminal and is blowing up people everywhere or helping others doing so is nothing more but a scum who deserves to be killed on sight

greatest warriors? so killing yourself and a 100 innocents is the definition of a great warrior?

How you fight the people that say we live to die?

by putting a hundred bullets up their ass and drowning them into the rain of bombs from the top

Kill and be killed the cycle continues

well i would rather have this cycle continue rather sit and hear these terrorists killing more innocents in Pakistan or elsewhere

These are the very terrorists that if India was to attack today the Pakistani army would go to for help

i would prefer dieing at the hands of an indian soldier doing his job rather than one of these scum blowing me up somewhere on the road

and no we don't need their help, all they have done to turn us from the second fast growing economy to 0 is already enough and you think we should just let all those innocent lives gone for nothing and all those sons, husbands and brothers who lost their lives fighting these creatures in Swat and elsewhere should just be forgotten and we sit and rejoice with them and be thankful for all they have done?


but yeah i don't know what our govt will do and how they will handle all this, but if they go for one more peace deal than i guess i will have to train my own terrorist army to hunt down our politician scums happy.gif

trust me dude, this is what most of the Pakistanis think and want to see happening, i don't know where you got your version of facts but its just not very fitting with every other normal Pakistani and specially not with me.

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I agree with you that the politicians are corrupt.

Yes the ones that kill innocent people need to be taken care of. I agree with you. The problem is corruption form all political parties to the army itself. Sometimes it is not the Taliban that blow up a place it is the government itself.

If you would know something about Taliban ideology there goal is not to kill innocent people but they want a so called Islamic government in Afghanistan and in the tribal regions of Pakistan. They take out military and government targets at most. This is still wrong in my opinion. We cannot have everyone trying to establish a form of government.

I agree that there are many things that the Taliban have done wrong and they should be punished for them. At the same time the corrupt politicians should also be punished.

So in reality everyone needs to be taken care of. Who will take care of all these people? The people seem to keep on putting these losers back in power, one of the great flaws of the so called democratic system.

Like I said the government is trying to find an excuse to go to Waziristan. The founder of Pakistan himself wanted this to be a tribal region and that must be respected.

We never needed soldiers on that side of our boarder through out history.

We never had any real problems with the Taliban before but I have noticed problems to have sky rocketed after 9/11.

A couple of bombs are you kidding me. Don't let your pride blind you to the reality. The Romans, Persians, Mongols, British and Soviets all came and left this very Waziristan. Trust me your great Pakistani army will also leave. Just like how there are many American soldiers who do not want be in Afghanistan there are many Pakistani soldiers who do not want to go into Waziristan.

Yes the average Pakistani does not agree with me. Maybe this is why our country is the way it is.
See I am not even a Pashtun but a Punjabi. I will say it like it is.

Muslim before anything else.

Write it down on a piece of paper. If the Pakistani army goes into Waziristan it will return beaten.

Drop as many bombs as you want, the Americans have and the Soviets had and have more bombs than you.

Remember that there was a East and West Pakistan but now it is Bangladesh and Pakistan. Please do not make it Pakistan and Pashtunistan. Remember all it takes is one call to India like the Bangalis did.

Pakistan doesn't have the balls to nuke India first and you talking about nuking Waziristan.

Try it and then see what happens, my open challenge.

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