Kuwait: Increased Strategic Cooperation with France
(Source: French Ministry of Defence; issued Oct. 22, 2009)
(Issued in French; unofficial translation by defense-aerospace.com)
Defense Minister Herve Morin on Wednesday, October 21 welcomed his Kuwaiti counterpart, Sheikh Jabir Mubarak Al Hamad Al Sabah, also First Vice-Premier of the State of Kuwait, to defence ministry headquarters at Brienne Palace in Paris.
The two ministers signed a bilateral cooperation agreement in the field of information exchange, assistance, training and equipment of the armed forces.
The agreement "paves the way for strategic cooperation between the Kuwaiti and French armed forces, Sheikh Jabir said during a news conference. It "complements and extends" the previous agreement, signed August 18, 1992.
France is back in this strategic region of the world and has decided to find its place to ensure its security," said Hervé Morin, arguing that the "Iranian nuclear program is a factor of instability and insecurity, and of extremely high concern throughout the Gulf.
In recent months, France has strengthened its ties with the United Arab Emirates by renewing its defense agreement dating from 1995 and, in late May, by opening a permanent French military base there. It is also linked since 1994 with Qatar by a joint defense agreement, and should open a branch in Doha of the Ecole Militaire de Saint-Cyr army academy.
At the press conference, Sheikh Jabir also said that his country would be "proud" to have the Rafale in its armed forces. "We hope to soon see a [French] offer for it," said the Kuwaiti Minister of Defense, adding that it "would be considered very seriously and very clearly by the Air Force of Kuwait.
Koweït : coopération stratégique accrue avec la France
Rencontre à lhôtel de Brienne, à Paris, du ministre de la défense Hervé Morin et de son homologue koweitien Cheikh Jabir Mubarak Al Hamad Al Sabah. Crédits photos : Arnaud Roiné/ECPAD
Le ministre de la défense Hervé Morin a reçu, mercredi 21 octobre à lhôtel de Brienne à Paris, son homologue koweitien Cheikh Jabir Mubarak Al Hamad Al Sabah, également Premier vice-premier ministre de lEtat du Koweït.
Les deux ministres ont signé un accord de coopération bilatérale dans le domaine de léchange dinformation, lassistance, la formation et léquipement des forces armées. Cet accord « ouvre la voie à une coopération stratégique entre les armées françaises et koweïtiennes », sest félicité le Cheikh Jabir lors dune conférence de presse. Il « complète et prolonge » le précédent accord, signé le 18 août 1992.
« La France est de retour dans cette région stratégique du monde et a décidé dy retrouver toute sa place pour en assurer la sécurité », a souligné Hervé Morin, faisant valoir que le « programme nucléaire iranien est un facteur dinstabilité et dinsécurité extrêmement important qui inquiète lensemble des pays du Golfe » et préoccupe le Koweït. La France a en effet renforcé ses liens, ces derniers mois, avec les Emirats arabes unis par le renouvellement de son accord de défense datant de 1995 et linauguration fin mai dune base militaire française permanente . Elle est également liée depuis 1994 avec le Qatar par un accord de défense et devrait ouvrir à Doha une branche de lEcole militaire de Saint-Cyr.
Lors de la conférence de presse, le Cheikh Jabir a par ailleurs déclaré que son pays serait « fier » de disposer du Rafale au sein de ses forces armées. « Nous espérons bientôt voir une offre [française] à ce sujet », a ajouté le ministre koweïtien de la Défense, précisant quelle « serait étudiée très sérieusement et de façon très claire par larmée de lair koweïtienne ». Le Cheikh Jabir a également manifesté son intérêt pour dautres technologies militaires françaises, évoquant « la marine, les systèmes darmes de défense aérienne et les hélicoptères ».
Still having a hard time accepting the fact that CATIA V5 integrates it?
Still having a hard time accepting the fact that CdG is the biggest embarrassment to the west?
Still can't accept the fact that Rafale is a political failure?
At least Dassault CAN design aircrtafts without them shreding themself into pieces half-way through their service life or overshooting their weight targets by 35% USING FRENCH TECHNOLOGY BY DASSAULT-SYSTEMS = CATIA.
Look at Boeing and L-M trashing mad boy, that's HOW low your design skills are down in the US of A.
SEE?
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Kuwait a "potential" customer just like Libya right? LOL
As KAdhafi, the Koweiti MoD seems interested.
Of course, there is certainly the political stance of the moment, with a Sarkozy agressiv on the Iran side while Mr Obame is much softer.
Still having a hard time accepting the fact that CdG is the biggest embarrassment to the west?
Wow, obviously, you like that boat
Can we talked about Comanche for instance ?
Still can't accept the fact that Rafale is a political failure?
What is the "political" engineering on the Rafale ?
No, after all, I doubt you have the IQ needed for that.
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Of course, there is certainly the political stance of the moment, with a Sarkozy agressiv on the Iran side while Mr Obame is much softer.
Indeed Obama is softer, he's a democrat after all. No need to bring in presidents to the conversation, you should worry more about Sarkozy's falsified bank lists
Wow, obviously, you like that boat
It's hard to miss a floating failure
Can we talked about Comanche for instance?
Sure, it's nowhere near as defected as CdG, there's a starter . Not to mention it never made it into service due to rising costs.
What is the "political" engineering on the Rafale ? No, after all, I doubt you have the IQ needed for that.
We're talking about France's bid to sell the Rafale on the global market, not it's engineering feats. Both of which are unimpressive anyways. I see your IQ was too low to understand that.
"NintendoGamer76)
Indeed Obama is softer, he's a democrat after all. No need to bring in presidents to the conversation, you should worry more about Sarkozy's falsified bank lists"
We shouldn't worry at all since as usual it's the fruit of your little troll's weting pants drive...
"NintendoGamer76)
It's hard to miss a floating failure"
It's even harder for YOU to prove it is one, still waiting fopr CdG to come back to her base moron?
"NintendoGamer76)
Sure, it's nowhere near as defected as CdG, there's a starter . Not to mention it never made it into service due to rising costs".
F-35 IS "defected", the number of redesigns it needed is FAR superior to that of CdG as for you you still have to prove what you're saying, problem is YOU CAN'T.
"NintendoGamer76)
We're talking about France's bid to sell the Rafale on the global market"
And you having nightmares about France succes, just wait and SEE it's a surer thing than F-35 numbers and cost staying as they are.
Denmark has pushed into 2010 a decision on replacing its F-16 fighters, and will buy only 25-35 new fighters, not 48 as previously planned. (no credit available)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/#
In case you missed the news a few days ago, Libya is planning to buy 20 Russian Fighters. Ouch..
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4330883&c=MID&s=AIR
In case you missed, it was like that since the beginning of the discussion.
And more than that, it's like that for decades.
Indeed Obama is softer, he's a democrat after all. No need to bring in presidents to the conversation, you should worry more about Sarkozy's falsified bank lists
What the hell are you talking about ?
Sure, it's nowhere near as defected as CdG, there's a starter happy.gif. Not to mention it never made it into service due to rising costs.
Yeah, It was so crap that they decided not to build it
We're talking about France's bid to sell the Rafale on the global market, not it's engineering feats.
So, what is the "political failure" from the Rafale ?
On the other hand, Rafale fans, such like me, like when you recognize the weight of political into such deals.
We can more easily explain why the Rafale can win competition like in Korea but isn't buy.
Both of which are unimpressive anyways. I see your IQ was too low to understand that.
And I suppose you think you're smart because you got a gun in your hands ?
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And more than that, it's like that for decades.
WTF are you talking about guy? Do you know how to read?
What the hell are you talking about ?
Looks like i know something you don't, go look it up
Yeah, It was so crap that they decided not to build it
Actually the Commanche was the most advanced helo for it's time, it was cancelled cause the the development costs were rising. Not crap like the CdG.
So, what is the "political failure" from the Rafale ?
A failure to get a sale on the global market? Failure of French political influence? How about you look up the definition idiot, maybe you'll understand what that actually means.
On the other hand, Rafale fans, such like me, like when you recognize the weight of political into such deals.
We can more easily explain why the Rafale can win competition like in Korea but isn't buy.
Except that it didn't win that competition, nice try
And I suppose you think you're smart because you got a gun in your hands ?
If you consider words as "guns" sure, i'll take it as a compliment
Thunder
Instead of his rifle, for a self-proclamed "serviceman" it means being a wanker...
We all know who the fake here is, no need to jump on cocks you wannabe.
"NintendoGamer76)
Looks like i know something you don't, go look it up"
Looks like as usual you're inventing yourself a world where French politics are roten and L-M will sell ten of thousand of F-35...
"NintendoGamer76)
Actually the Commanche was the most advanced helo for it's time, it was cancelled cause the the development costs were rising. Not crap like the CdG".
So WHY were developement cost RISING?
Because the systems design were CRAP as opposed to CdG which is back into service without a glitch.
"NintendoGamer76)
A failure to get a sale on the global market? Failure of French political influence?"
Your wet-your-pant wishlist?
We will sell Rafale to the export, so will Gripen, while the USA F-35 orders are plumeting and its programe and unit cost rising.
"NintendoGamer76)
How about you look up the definition idiot, maybe you'll understand what that actually means".
How about you go for a reality check and a change of nappies?
"NintendoGamer76)
Except that it didn't win that competition, nice try"
YES it DID.
A competition is based on a number of technical points, the winner is the one with the higherst score, return to school, boyscoout.
"NintendoGamer76)
If you consider words as "guns" sure, i'll take it as a compliment"
You DONT handle weapons, retard, you only play Nitendo games.
"NintendoGamer76)
We all know who the fake here is, no need to jump on cocks you wannabe".
SURE.
Now instead of trying you usual mediocre copypat thing, just put your money where your mouth is and SHOW us "How defective" CdG have been during her service life compared to others.
In FACT there are several examples of US Carriers which IPER lasted a lot LONGER than hers (up to three years in a dock), including REPAIRS due to defective equipement...
And please , i don't share your homosexual habits, you are mystaking three animals Kung Fu for your local gay bars greetings.
As for you having nightmares about France succes, just wait and SEE.
Selling Rafales to the export is a much surer thing than F-35 numbers and cost staying as they are.
Denmark has pushed into 2010 a decision on replacing its F-16 fighters, and will buy only 25-35 new fighters, not 48 as previously planned. (no credit available)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/#
= The decision to have only one new aircraft carrier will cut the number of JSFs to be flown by RAF squadrons from 138 to about 50, saving £7.6 billion. At current prices, the aircraft will cost close to £90m each, but this could rise to more than £100m.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6888962.ece
WTF are you talking about guy? Do you know how to read?
The fact that Libya is buying russian planes doesn't mean it will not buy the rafale.
The rafale deal (if it eventually happens) is supposed to be less than 20 fighter jets in complement to a russian based fleet.
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WRONG as usual, commenting without having an idea of the subject once again. The Commanche was cancelled in the advent of cheaper more sustainable UAVs and a lower operating cost. The US Army saw no need for a job the Apache and UAVs couldn't do. Simple as that. Don't try to pass CdG as being non-defective, its well documented and known to everyone.
as opposed to CdG which is back into service without a glitch.
ROFL!! says you, I'll take Herve Morin's word over yours ANY DAY. He actually has insider knowledge of the matter and commented specifically on an issue that could've turned into a catastrophe earlier this year. Don't get your hopes up, it won't be long before you'll see it back in port.
We will sell Rafale to the export, so will Gripen, while the USA F-35 orders are plumeting and its programe and unit cost rising.
Gripen and F-35 already received their orders, Rafale HASN'T. Why is Brazil taking so long with the evaluation? I thought they were confident in the Rafale? Ooops i guess Lula just had a big mouth.
How about you go for a reality check and a change of nappies?
How about you take your memory pills and maybe you'll remember Rafale is a failure.
YES it DID.
A competition is based on a number of technical points, the winner is the one with the higherst score, return to school, boyscoout.
IF it won the competition, S. Korea would've opted for that aircraft now wouldn't it? Get a brain, keyboard warrior.
You DONT handle weapons, retard, you only play Nitendo games.
I've handled weapons for a living when you were still at home trolling multiple forums. Get a life.
Now instead of trying you usual mediocre copypat thing, just put your money where your mouth is and SHOW us "How defective" CdG have been during her service life compared to others.
Do yourself a favor and google search any other Carrier and you'll find it MORE defective than every carrier in operation today. Seriously, your own Defense Minister even commented on this a few days ago.
In FACT there are several examples of US Carriers which IPER lasted a lot LONGER than hers (up to three years in a dock), including REPAIRS due to defective equipement...
Show us ANY U.S carrier being more defective than CdG provided with proper links.
And please , i don't share your homosexual habits, you are mystaking three animals Kung Fu for your local gay bars greetings.
LOL! Tell that to the Russians and Chinese the next time you have a cock in your mouth.
As for you having nightmares about France succes, just wait and SEE.
LOLOOLOLOLOL yea.. the day i'll have nightmares about France is when yellowstone erupts.
Selling Rafales to the export is a much surer thing than F-35 numbers and cost staying as they are.
HAHAHAHAHHAA.. joke of the day. F-35 hasn't reached production levels yet it's orders are secured with potentials coming along, France is willing to PAY another country to operate Rafale, even that's having a go in Brazilian politics. Go BS somewhere else, you're too ignorant for this forum.
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October 25 2009, 5:39 PM
"NintendoGamer76)
WRONG as usual, commenting without having an idea of the subject once again BLAH-DI-BLAH...
STILL COPYCATING WITH MEDIOCRITY AS MAIN SKILL.
= While Boeing/Sikorsky's design was struggling to meet some radar cross-section goals, even the baseline stealth requirements would offer no protection on a modern battlefield pocked with shoulder-fired, heat-seeking missile launchers..
= Active self-protection has since become army aviation's top priority, leading to accelerated development and deployment at the advanced threat infrared countermeasures system. The $38 billion Comanche programme did not include an active jammer, a deficiency army leaders claimed would take billions of dollars more to correct.
And guess WHAT? Your super Apaches were withdrawn from Kosovo because their defense system and IR sensors couldn't cope with European weather.
The AH-64A's ECM systems "are not reliable enough", says Cody and, in some cases, "not effective." He adds that Apache pilots "have lost confidence" in the APR-39 radar warning receiver and the ALQ-136 radar jammer and "are not sure of the ALQ-144 IR jammer's true capabilities".
DATE:07/07/99
SOURCE:Flight International
Kosovo Apaches come under US Army fire
Ramon Lopez/WASHINGTON DC
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/1999/07/07/53657/kosovo-apaches-come-under-us-army-fire.html
Your IR technology SUCKS you can only CON people into buying your gear these days...
"NintendoGamer76)ROFL!! says you"
NO TROLL, LIAR, FLAMER, MYTHOMANIAC.
SAY FACTS.
"NintendoGamer76)
How about you take your memory pills and maybe you'll remember Rafale is a failure".
In your wet dreams YOU STINK go change your pants.
"NintendoGamer76)
IF it won the competition, S. Korea would've opted for that aircraft now wouldn't it? Get a brain, keyboard warrior".
We all know WHYU but obviously since you only come close to military matters through your video gasmes you couldn't know.
"NintendoGamer76)
I've handled weapons for a living when you were still at home trolling multiple forums. Get a life".
STILL COPYCATING WITH MEDIOCRITY AS MAIN SKILL.
PROVEN LIAR, FLAMER, MYTHOMANIAC.
"NintendoGamer76)
Do yourself a favor and google search".
LOL! So it is where you MORON actually get your military experience then? Google?
Boy there are MoDs website for the educated but since you're too scared to SEE the truth for yourself andprefer BIGGOT's territories to reality obviously you keep yourself IGNORANT.
"NintendoGamer76)
Show us ANY U.S carrier being more defective than CdG provided with proper links".
SHOW us CdG being SO defective as YOU pretend since her IPERS are within US norms, we noticed that i already posted links to US Carriers needing 3 years in dock only for you retard to come up with the troll's escuse of repairs which obviously is onlyvalid for the USA.
"NintendoGamer76)
LOL! Tell that to the Russians and Chinese the next time you have a cock in your mouth".
Knowing military equipements makes me knowlegeable, the cocksucking buzines is for YOU, don't try to imply people are as ignorant, ineducated and devious are yourself.
"NintendoGamer76)
LOLOOLOLOLOL yea.. the day i'll have nightmares about France is when yellowstone erupts!".
More likely to happen trhan Rafale to fail to export.
"NintendoGamer76)
HAHAHAHAHHAA.. joke of the day"
Keep your head up your @ss it is where it belongs.
As i say, you'r such a thurd and thick ignorant retard it is TOO easy to destroy YOU and your little ego with proper informations. MORON.
L'armée de terre va recevoir 76 postes de tirs de missiles américains Javelin
Comme nous l'indiquions sur ce blog dès le 30 septembre, l'armée de terre va recevoir des missiles antichar Javelin de fabrication américaine pour ses troupes déployées en Afghanistan. Lors de son audition par les députés de la commission de la Défense, le 14 octobre, le général Elrick Irastoza, chef d'état-major de l'armée de terre (cemat), a précisé qu'il s'agirait de 76 postes de tirs et de 380 missiles, soit 5 missiles par poste de tir.
Il s'agit, selon le Cemat, d'une "solution relais" en attendant que l'industrie française, en l'occurence MBDA (groupe EADS) développe un successeur du Milan, en coopération avec un industriel étranger, américain ou israélien.
"Le missile Milan vieillit mal, mais il donne toujours satisfaction. Cest pourquoi nous essayons de le maintenir pour le prolonger jusquen 2015 voire 2017 (...). Dici là, jai obligation de donner à mes soldats lengin qui leur permette de remplir leurs missions dans les meilleures conditions, cest-à-dire un matériel qui autorise de tirer en espace clos, semi-clos ou contraint et, surtout, de quitter la position de tir une fois le missile parti. En effet, le missile filoguidé dont nous sommes dotés implique de rester vingt secondes derrière un poste de tir non abrité", a ajouté le Cemat.
In your wet dreams YOU STINK go change your pants.
The stench is coming from that cock in your mouth, i'm over here in America if you forgot LOL.
We all know WHYU but obviously since you only come close to military matters through your video gasmes you couldn't know.
sure pretender, how many imaginary professions do you claim to have now? Keep the BS for the rainy days.
PROVEN LIAR, FLAMER, MYTHOMANIAC.
Self description, good going idiot.
LOL! So it is where you MORON actually get your military experience then? Google?
Learn how to read and comprehend words before making funny comments addressed to you, seriously.
Boy there are MoDs website for the educated but since you're too scared to SEE the truth for yourself andprefer BIGGOT's territories to reality obviously you keep yourself IGNORANT.
More like you're too scared to accept the fact that Rafale was a BS con from Dassault, Singapore saw this, and most like everyone who doesn't want it does too.
SHOW us CdG being SO defective as YOU pretend since her IPERS are within US norms, we noticed that i already posted links to US Carriers needing 3 years in dock only for you retard to come up with the troll's escuse of repairs which obviously is onlyvalid for the USA.
How about nuclear reator giving off 5 times more radiation doses than expected? Slower than the Foch which it replaced? Propellers not working properly? Do i need to pull up the older thread? You can do that yourself troll. All the info is there, waiting to be read again.
Knowing military equipements makes me knowlegeable, the cocksucking buzines is for YOU, don't try to imply people are as ignorant, ineducated and devious are yourself.
You don't know military equipment moron, you've never experienced a military life, only read about it. Yet you claim to be a 'weapon specialist' in the Ada, and you've yet to answer my question. What's the first thing you do before handling a weapon?
More likely to happen trhan Rafale to fail to export.
If you haven't noticed clown, Rafale has failed to export in all of it's competitions so far. Keep dreaming.
Keep your head up your @ss it is where it belongs.
Keep the cock in your mouth where it belongs.
As i say, you'r such a thurd and thick ignorant retard it is TOO easy to destroy YOU and your little ego with proper informations. MORON.
Yet you've managed to make yourself look dumber every single time. Keep trying.
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October 25 2009, 6:14 PM
Now dragging himslef into what he does BEST. Gutter manure for low-estime retards...
NintendoGamer76)
Doesn't SUCK as bad as Rafale seeing you have to PAY Brazil to operate that POS LOL! Eryx is another failure!"
SHOW us France having to PAY for selling Rafale, RETARD...
As for buying US missiles, wasn't the USA procuring our SS-10 and SS-11?
So STFU fat troll.
"NintendoGamer76)
The stench is coming from that cock in your mouth, i'm over here in America if you forgot LOL".
Sorry boy, you satill mystake your own habits for that of others...
"NintendoGamer76)
sure pretender, how many imaginary professions do you claim to have now? Keep the BS for the rainy days".
No need to pretend i have a portfolio to show and what i do of my qualifications is none of your foaking buziness, at least I AM qualified, but YOU are an ineducated retard with nothnig to show but flame bates for low life like you to wet their nappies.
"NintendoGamer76)
Self description, good going idiot".
SHOW US. PLEASE.
"NintendoGamer76)
Learn how to read and comprehend words before making funny comments addressed to you, seriously".
Googling? Boy as i was saying i can READ your DoD website without translation but your bunch of overspoken retards are too ineducated to read that of other countries, i thaught you were speaking FIUVE languages?
"NintendoGamer76)
More like you're too scared to accept the fact that Rafale was a BS con from Dassault, Singapore saw this, and most like everyone who doesn't want it does too!".
You DONT hevae the brain power, education or anythnig to allow you to make any form of stam,ent like this one.
As a matter of FACT Rafale will sell MORE than we think it will while everyone is trying to bail out from F-35.
"NintendoGamer76)
How about nuclear reator giving off 5 times more radiation doses than expected? Slower than the Foch which it replaced?"
LOL! Sure in yet another BIGGOT's website, no wonder you're such a RERTARD, you are what YOU read...
"NintendoGamer76)
You don't know military equipment moron"...
a LOPT mor ethan you will EVER do, i dont need to INMVENT myself a credential and not one of you ever proves me wrong with proper infos as i constantly do YOU.
"NintendoGamer76)
If you haven't noticed clown, Rafale has failed to export in all of it's competitions so far. Keep dreaming".
Speak for yourself and watch us sell it.
"NintendoGamer76)
Keep the cock in your mouth where it belongs".
AGAIN, trying to associate by mediocrity, boy you must feel SOOOOO lonely, try the next gay bar there might be a good surprise for you.
"NintendoGamer76)
Yet you've managed to make yourself look dumber every single time. Keep trying".
SHOW us CdG being SO defective as YOU pretend since her IPERS are within US norms, we noticed that i already posted links to US Carriers needing 3 years in dock only for you retard to come up with the troll's escuse of repairs which obviously is onlyvalid for the USA.
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You forget to mention that the Nimitz carriers have one "IPER", taking 3 years, in contrast with the CdG having multiple "IPERs" of 15-18 months. It's a different philosophy. France can't afford to not have a carrier force for up to 3 years.
I suggest you don't use this "argument" again.
When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.
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"Nighthawk00)
I suggest you don't use this "argument" again".
And WHY not?
Apparently you are quiet keen on double standards aren't you?
Since in three years the French could EASLY afford taking less risks and triple check everything and BTW, 10 month of delay over her operational service life is quiet good compared to others...
It doesn't change FACTS that the US Carriers are taking advantage of these 3 years for repairs just as well because as we all know, they also are occasionaly facing FAILURES.
Such as arresting cables or barriers, deflector doors etc.
Since it takes your bunch of retards to keep digging shr!te about ours and that we don't give a toss about your collective frustration symptoms, we spare you the amount of time your "superior" gear is coming back RTB for a failure, sometimes costing human lifes.
I'm not mentioning air collisions, justy carrier operations here but if you like we could start and have some fun.
This doesn't obviously HIDE the USA lack of design and engineering skill with programes in the spotlight such as F-35.
Your foacking problem.
"GER_Mark)
germany is trying to get rid of eurofighter tranche 3b, thats why they will throw them on export market cheap
this is what the new goverment decided yesterday"
And yet i had the usual army of trolls jumpig up and down when i was saying ti will happen a year ago, after the UK MoD if this is not another joke of course.
It doesn't change FACTS that the US Carriers are taking advantage of these 3 years for repairs just as well because as we all know, they also are occasionaly facing FAILURES.
Suuch as arrested cables or barriers, deflector doors etc.
Since it takes your bunch of retards to keep digging shr!te about ours and that we don't give a toss about your collective frustration symptoms, we spare you the amount of time your "superior" gear is coming back RTB for a failure,. sometimes costing human lifes.
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You are comparing "normal" accidents with design problems (i.e. propellers making 100dB sound, the flying deck that had to be lengthened, nuclear reactors that are not very well isolated, a propeller that fell off, a badly manufactured propeller and the latest problem that was quite serious) and think that's a fair comparison?
Before you continue insulting me know that I don't think the CdG has been a failure.
When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.
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It doesn't change FACTS that the US Carriers are taking advantage of these 3 years for repairs just as well because as we all know, they also are occasionaly facing FAILURES.
Show me the information. Scheduled upgrades and routine maintenance are the norm. What seperates CdG is the the unexpected need for maintanence and mandatory need for upgrades due to poor design.
Suuch as arrested cables or barriers, deflector doors etc.
Of course, after extensive use it needs to be replaced and repaired, hardly a factor in poor design. Same can't be said for CdG.
Since it takes your bunch of retards to keep digging shr!te about ours and that we don't give a toss about your collective frustration symptoms, we spare you the amount of time your "superior" gear is coming back RTB for a failure,. sometimes costing human lifes.
Let's not forget the recent incident that almost ended up costing lives on CdG
I'm not mentioning air collisions, justy carrier operations here but if you like we could start and have some fun.
Go ahead, trolling is your specialty.
This doesn't obviously HIDE the USA lack of design and engineering skill with programes in the spotlight such as F-35.
In every single argument you bring up F-35. That's really all you have to say and yet it's nowhere near as fvcked in 'design' as CdG.
NintendoGamer76) PROVEN LIAR, FLAMER AND MYTHOMANIAC.
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October 25 2009, 6:44 PM
NintendoGamer76)
Show me the information."
Already posted SEVERAL time over but since you keep your head up your @ss of course the usual baby cries for tits feeding comes again.
NintendoGamer76)
Of course, after extensive use it needs to be replaced and repaired, hardly a factor in poor design. Same can't be said for CdG".
Sure, only SHOW us a loss of life in CdG operation due to failures of arresting cables, as for deflector doors and arresting barriers i didn't know a failure was due to "extensive use".
Just ahow what an ineducated bumb@ssd you are.
"NintendoGamer76)
Let's not forget the recent incident that almost ended up costing lives on CdG"
LOL. Please AGAIN SHOW us...
"NintendoGamer76)
Go ahead, trolling is your specialty!".
Your usual retard's trick.
"NintendoGamer76)
In every single argument you bring up F-35. That's really all you have to say and yet it's nowhere near as fvcked in 'design' as CdG".
CdG doesn't suffer ANYWHERE near the amount of technical difficulties your programe had to face since it started and it is WAY more complex to put together than an underperformant subversion of the F-22.
NintendoGamer76) PROVEN LIAR, FLAMER AND MYTHOMANIAC.
NintendoGamer76) PROVEN LIAR, FLAMER AND MYTHOMANIAC.
NintendoGamer76) PROVEN LIAR, FLAMER AND MYTHOMANIAC.
Sure, only SHOW us a loss of life in CdG operation due to failures of arresting cables, as for deflector doors and arresting barriers i didn't know a failure was due to "extensive use".
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You have to take into account the much higher number of sorties on USN carriers and the much higher number of US aircraft carriers plus the much longer time the USN has been operating such carriers compared to the 8 years the CG has been operational.
It's like saying: look a murder was committed in Italy while San Marino is murder free. It's not a fair comparison. I'd bet my left nut that everyone on this forum, but you, would agree with this.
"NintendoGamer76)
Let's not forget the recent incident that almost ended up costing lives on CdG"
LOL. Please AGAIN SHOW us...
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La détection rapide du problème, grâce au professionnalisme exemplaire de l'équipage et de l'industriel, a permis d'arrêter à temps le bâtiment et d'éviter la catastrophe : cet incident aurait pu causer des avaries considérables et faire des victimes humaines. D'une certaine façon, nous avons eu de la chance dans notre malheur
"Nighthawk00)
You are comparing "normal" accidents with design problems"
What's so NORMAL in failing to arrest an aircraft for a barrier designed specificaly for the purpose? You're a totaly DUMMY making staments like this.
"Nighthawk00)
(i.e. propellers making 100dB sound,"
CdG is NOT a Le Terrible class boat.
Now i'm SURE the power developed by the Nimitz is given gently and silently, i'd like to see anyone bunkering above the propelers for a laugh.
"Nighthawk00)
the flying deck that had to be lengthened,"
No design fault there either, CdG was designed BEFORE the decision was taken to procure E2Cs which requiered a longer deck to turn IF they missed the second cable and traped the third.
"Nighthawk00)
nuclear reactors that are not very well isolated"
Bullsh!t by the bucket as usual.
Isolation was ported to INTERNATIONAL CIVILIAN NORMS, nothing to do with the lack of it, only a different standard.
"Nighthawk00)
a propeller that fell off, a badly manufactured propeller and the latest problem that was quite serious) and think that's a fair comparison?"
That's NOT a design fault but a manufacture fault for a starter, the SAME design is used today.
Second it didn't cause any crewmen to loose their lives (or legs like those maintaining the deflector doors when they fell down on them or hit by snaped arresting cables).
All in all you retards have nothing more to show than what we could rub your dirty trolls noses with EASLY.
That's NOT a design fault but a manufacture fault for a starter.
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Sure a badly manufactured propeller is a manufacture fault. What about the two other problems in the sentence you quoted from me, i.e. propeller falling off and the latest technical problem that required the CdG to stay 6 months longer in "IPER"?
When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.
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There is no design fault in CdG that creeped out to cause her a problem.
Her growth and upgrades (as well as that of her airgroup) weren't always handled properly by DCNS, and perhaps someone tried to cut corners in the case of the last incident but it wasn't a design problem.
"The decision to have only one new aircraft carrier will cut the number of JSFs to be flown by RAF squadrons from 138 to about 50, saving £7.6 billion. At current prices, the aircraft will cost close to £90m each, but this could rise to more than £100m".
Sorry REN:
BAD news for the RN.
GOOD news for the European Aerospacial industry, now we can look forward to a future without US Aergemonia preventing us to do so.
WTF are you talking about guy? Do you know how to read?
How stupid I am, I thought you would something about the Lybian AF.
I will explain it more clearly, they use Mig and Mirage together for decades.
So, they can buy Sukhoi, as long as the discussion are open with Dassault there is a chance to sell them some Rafale.
Looks like i know something you don't, go look it up
Tell me, are you talking about clearstream ?
Actually the Commanche was the most advanced helo for it's time, it was cancelled cause the the development costs were rising. Not crap like the CdG.
It's all about how much you can spend for what result expected, and the Comanche is in the EPIC FAIL category.
About the CdG, since the decision to built it in Brest instead of St Nazaire, well, some bad news were ready to show up at any moment.
A failure to get a sale on the global market? Failure of French political influence? How about you look up the definition idiot, maybe you'll understand what that actually means.
Sorry since you started that "political failure of the Rafale"
So, yes France has less political weight than US, I hope you're happy now ?
Except that it didn't win that competition, nice try win
Damn, that's not what was written in Korean newwpapers.
If you consider words as "guns" sure, i'll take it as a compliment
I said "guns" just like "guns" but not "words", otherwise, I would have used the word "words".
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I am not sure how the F-35 is a failure? Niether do I see how the Rafale is not a political failure. There have been cost overruns, delays in getting the plane operational, few, if any confirmed overseas sales as far as I know. The F-35 has confirmed buyers from a variety of nations, many with different operational requirements. I would say the F-35 looks that it shall be more successful than Rafale. I would say that Typhoon seems like a more successful plane too.
Niether do I see how the F-35 is any more susceptable to shoulder fired SAMs than other aircraft. If any SAM can pick up an IR source than it shall lock onto that source. I doubt the F-35 is any more susceptible to IR shoulder fired SAMs than contemporary fighters. With SAMs such as Stinger, shooting down a jet aircraft is no easy task. Shooting down a prop or rotary wing aircraft is entirely different from shooting down a jet, any jet.
The CDG does seem to spend a lot of time in port, undergoing repairs.
I believe while the Apaches had issues in the Balkans, those problems have for the most part been rectified. They seem to be serving the British and the Dutch and the US quite well from Europe to Iraq to Afghanistan. The Comanche cancelation had nothing to do with its capabilities, rather it had to do with cost.
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"Not a chance, France finances are in a much better shape and we don't have the US to pump out out cash with F-35.
Perhaps. Although only one carrier and various cost overruns in French military and social programs would suggest otherwise, at least to this outsider.
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"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
I am not sure how the F-35 is a failure?"
It certainly fails to impress when it comes to performanmces and cost.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
There have been cost overruns, delays in getting the plane operational"
WRONG: Rafale is the only programe out-there which developement cost have been maintained below 4%, it would be good if you were to inform yourself before posting.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
few, if any confirmed overseas sales as far as I know".
Wait and SEE.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
The F-35 has confirmed buyers from a variety of nations"
F-35 sales didn't pass the numbner of fingers in one hand yet and number of "confirmed buyers" are either postponing either reeducing the predicted number.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
Niether do I see how the F-35 is any more susceptable to shoulder fired SAMs than other aircraft"
That's because you don't know that its engine is the hotest running in the market and that some others have actually cooling and IR reduction systems F-135 doesn't have.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
If any SAM can pick up an IR source than it shall lock onto that source".
If it was as simple as that the USN pilots flying with AIM-9Ls/Ms wouldn't complain to have a hardtime lockingon a Rafale.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
The CDG does seem to spend a lot of time in port, undergoing repairs".
Yeah? How much more than the Nimitz class which need twice as much time for an IPER?
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
I believe while the Apaches had issues in the Balkans, those problems have for the most part been rectified".
Let's hope for the stake of their crews.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
They seem to be serving the British and the Dutch and the US quite well from Europe to Iraq to Afghanistan".
You should READ reports of UK Apaches issues.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
The Comanche cancelation had nothing to do with its capabilities, rather it had to do with cost".
SAME here, you guys skip the news about your equipement as early as it leaves the factory, for those using them it is another matter altogether.
You skiped this bit.
= While Boeing/Sikorsky's design was struggling to meet some radar cross-section goals, even the baseline stealth requirements would offer no protection on a modern battlefield pocked with shoulder-fired, heat-seeking missile launchers..
= Active self-protection has since become army aviation's top priority, leading to accelerated development and deployment at the advanced threat infrared countermeasures system. The $38 billion Comanche programme did not include an active jammer, a deficiency army leaders claimed would take billions of dollars more to correct.
So don't go telling us it was only cancelled because of cost, this is untrue.
"GER_Mark)
yeah looking at rafale, horizon and fremm numbers! LOL"
Not as simple and your braincell count...
Rafale is STILL a 294 aircraft programe,delaying orders from a tranche to the other one is NOT the same as getting rid of them, France is PLEASED with Rafale.
Thunder
"If any SAM can pick up an IR source than it shall lock onto that source".
"If it was as simple as that the USN pilots flying with AIM-9Ls/Ms wouldn't complain to have a hardtime lockingon a Rafale."
That is why I said "if." Using a MANPADs to bring down a fighter aircraft is not an easy task, certainly nowhere near as easy as the media would like one to believe. Shooting down a helicopter or prop AC is not that much of an issue due to their slower speed.
Until JSF enters operational service it is unfair to state that it is going to enter service with extreme engine temp. Again, for a MANPADs operator to manually lock onto any jet aircraft is not an easy task. Extremely difficult in fact.
Of course I am not a big fan of JSF at the moment which is probably unfair too, as it may become a wonder plane (unlikely) when it enters service.
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"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
certainly nowhere near as easy as the media would like one to believe".
Depends on the type of aircraft, some are more vulnerable to adverse fire (MANPAD or else) than others.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
Until JSF enters operational service it is unfair to state that it is going to enter service with extreme engine temp".
No it is not:
Turbine Entry Temperature are known, they are part of disclosed datas which helps computing relative performances and more to the point, gives a clue on the technology used.
Right now, the best way to increase jet engine thrust is first to increase TET and the USA are at the top of this high-temperature technologies.
This also mean that unless the engine is designed with an additional (ram-air) cooling channel, its exhaust gas are going to be higher.
"KIWIOZZYYANKY)
Again, for a MANPADs operator to manually lock onto any jet aircraft is not an easy task. Extremely difficult in fact".
It's not so MANPAD you should focuse on in this case, it is IR sensors and IR AAMS including BWR as MICA andother European (Russians).
They are a much greater threat to fighters than MANPADS and IR sensor technology is moving FAST toward long-range/all-weather capabilties.
This means; that without the F-22 performances F-35 will be a lot more vulnerable to other fighters equiped with these sensors and IR AAM.
"I thought the engine parameters on JSF are still ongoing?"
It doesn't change TET or the basic design of the engine.
For effiscient cooling you'll need to add another channel made of a secondary engine case, count between 75 and 150 kg (hard to estimate) plus a second set of con-di nozzles, this is the actual arrangement of M 88.
The other low IR signature engine/aircraft combination is that of F-22 mainly dues to its TVC nozzles arrangement, but the engine itself exhausts hotter than M 88 when in flight (ram air cooling and lower TET).
Since there are no SCOOPE or secondary inlets for the stake of EM stealth on F-22/F-35 it is impossible to do.
Have a look, i wrote this for comparison between F-16 and Rafale it is visible as a detail in many photos.
BTW the absence of scoopes also means that the fuel-based cooling system F-22 and F-35 is not designed to reduce their IR signature but cool their avionics, (as opposed to the popular beliefs).
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