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The K-11 has been approved to equip the Korean UNPKO troops in Southern Lebanon. A first batch of 15 rifles will be shipped out early next year, and these will be issued to reconnaisance elements of our blue helmets in the Middle East. When it happens, Korea will have become the first military to field a truly next-gen, OICW-type modular weapons system in active service. Hezbollah and other UNPKO forces will drop their jaws in collective unison come January.

On the domestic front, K-11s are being rigorously field-tested by the ROK 25th Infantry Division. It is slated to enter mass production early next year, with the aim of deploying 1~2 in every squad as a grenadier weapon. Unit cost is estimated to be around $12,000.











Our boys in blue in Lebanon. They'll get to play with these new toys in a couple of months time.









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You guys will be seen as new Mongols invasion in Middle East.

Way to go South Korea! Will the fielding of 1-2 in each squad complement or replace the 40MM grenade Launchers?

Actually I think OICW is just a hype, too heavy not practical to carry.

People now always want to put things into multi-functional, but in army not really effective.

The old team mentality is forever the best choice.

It's meant to completely replace the M203s when they're received, but equipping every frontline infantry squad with a couple of these is obviously going to take some time. So the old 40mm will stick around for a while, until there's enough K-11s to go around for everybody.






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WOW!

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"Actually I think OICW is just a hype, too heavy not practical to carry.

People now always want to put things into multi-functional, but in army not really effective.

The old team mentality is forever the best choice."

The K-11 is much lighter than the OICW, it managed to reduce its weight to a respectable 6.1kg. Obviously, that's far from being featherlight, but consider that a fully-loaded AK-47 is close to 5.6kg in weight. The K-11 adds a magazine-fed G/L launcher module and an FCS computer while being only half a kilogram heavier than an AK. Besides it's meant to be a support weapon, when you consider that it's lighter than an LMG and has far more precise firepower, the K-11 doesn't seem all that heavy anymore.




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Pardon my ignorance, but isn't this just an M4 with a "sophisticated" grenade launcher? Basically it's just like the M4 + M203 combo and an extra laser finder.



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

The M-203 is a manually-loaded, single shot weapon.... This is a magazine-fed multi-shot grenade launcher module. Massive difference there. The K-11's fire control system allows users to program the grenade while it's loaded to airburst at a desired distance setting. The M-203 sure as hell can't do that rofl. It's not just a scope with a laser, it's a computer.


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What is the weight of this weapon?

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It's been stated in this thread: 6.1kg.



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

At least its not a standard issue rifle, it looks rediculous!


"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."

I once lived in France,
but left for Angleterre,
I dream up flying in planes,
and invent some sources too,
but when it comes to proving it,
it's Tampax down the drain!

It looks rather bulky and unmanageable but again looks can be deceiving, Mantis ever fired one of these bad boys?

"It's been stated in this thread: 6.1kg."

that waits 2X more then a battle rifle

That is, by far, the worst way to wear a beret I have ever seen.

Anyway, on topic, one of the biggest problems with rifle/grenade combos of this types is the size of the grenade. A 40mm grenade doesn't produce a very big bang, a 20mm grenade that weighs only about 40% that of a 40mm grenade and has a lot of the weight being the battery and electronics is obviously going to make a much smaller bang. Fair enough they can be more lethal if it is set to explode at a given range, but most of the time on the battlefield that is going to be a luxury. You aren't going to have the time or ability to range everything you want to pump some HE into, you are just going to lob a grenade at whereever you think the enemy might be. The lesser lethality of the 20mm grenade is going to a big problem when used this way. That is why the OICW and developments went to a 25mm grenade.

As it is, a weapon that weighs 7.5kg loaded, is ungainly, and only has a 12" barrel doesn't seem worth it. TO my mind, auto-grenade launchers should be belt fed and kept at platoon/company level in the same manner as GPMGs. That way they aren't compromised with the need to have a KE component, can have a larger grenade, and can be employed in a manner that allows it to take advantage of the fuse settings.

Australia trialled something similar a few years ago, but no-one could find a use for it.

"At least its not a standard issue rifle, it looks rediculous!"

Substance over style my friend. Personally, I think it looks hella sexy... more importantly it'll have guys behind walls picking shrapnel out of their @$$ which no other service rifle on the planet is capable of.

"That is, by far, the worst way to wear a beret I have ever seen."

He was wearing it inside a helmet dude, that's probably why. The same reason why I don't think it is a beret at all, why would you keep it on and squish it under a helmet? Then again, I don't think they have standard issue touques in the Korean Army lol.

"Anyway, on topic, one of the biggest problems with rifle/grenade combos of this types is the size of the grenade. A 40mm grenade doesn't produce a very big bang, a 20mm grenade that weighs only about 40% that of a 40mm grenade and has a lot of the weight being the battery and electronics is obviously going to make a much smaller bang. Fair enough they can be more lethal if it is set to explode at a given range, but most of the time on the battlefield that is going to be a luxury. You aren't going to have the time or ability to range everything you want to pump some HE into, you are just going to lob a grenade at whereever you think the enemy might be. The lesser lethality of the 20mm grenade is going to a big problem when used this way. That is why the OICW and developments went to a 25mm grenade.

As it is, a weapon that weighs 7.5kg loaded, is ungainly, and only has a 12" barrel doesn't seem worth it. TO my mind, auto-grenade launchers should be belt fed and kept at platoon/company level in the same manner as GPMGs. That way they aren't compromised with the need to have a KE component, can have a larger grenade, and can be employed in a manner that allows it to take advantage of the fuse settings.

Australia trialled something similar a few years ago, but no-one could find a use for it."

The 20mm had to be chosen because of weight. Even the American OICW and its 25mm module was too bulky, so they sacrificed a little punch to bring the weight down to reasonable levels. 7.5kg loaded may not be anyone's favorite weapon to be lugging around, but compared to the monstrous weight of the OICW, it is a breakthrough. The 20mm isn't exactly my favorite either, if your opposition is well-geared with helmets and body armor, it might just piss them off real good, but then again the Norkies don't have much of anything in that respect. In any case, what it lacks in individual punch, it makes up for concentrated firepower. At least you have the option of firing off 6 rounds in quick succession to make sure whatever you're hitting at is dead. That sure beats firing one round from the M203 and fumbling for another round in your ammo pouch during the heat of battle.

As for relying on crew-served G/L at platoon/company level, our Army has different requirements. We are going to be fighting pitched, small-unit battles in the mountaintops against the Norkies, it's a b1tch to flexibly utilize platoon/company level assets here, with a terrain that's hard to traverse and creates line-of-sight issues. The ROKA doctrine emphasizes heavy concentration of firepower even at the basic squad/platoon level. They bring their own support with them, and that's why we have the K-11.


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^^ can u PLEASE repost the specs and the diagrams of that "thing" (not rifle) in english? Korean is a difficult language to learn in one go.




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on a sidenote can you elaborate on the specs,size, equipment of entire Korean armed forces. For example their size, MBT n the numbers, no. of aircraft, their navy etc.

While china is getting all the attention it looks like Koreans are silently and steadily going from strength to strength.




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For you FN.



Forget about Photoshop, I don't even get along with MS Paint. This may be my finest masterpiece yet lol.




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Is it ready for export or still under testing?

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"SargeAUS)
That is, by far, the worst way to wear a beret I have ever seen".

How would you know? WE invented it, like red wine.


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How would you know? WE invented it, like red wine.

You may have invented it, but WE made it look good.

You're still a wanker I see Thunder.

"How would you know? WE invented it"

Wasn't a Basque "invention"?

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"SargeAUS)
You may have invented it, but WE made it look good".

NOT with YOUR butface under it, NO.



"SargeAUS)
You're still a wanker I see Thunder".

A wanker than get YOU back to a well needed reality check, BOY.

Now go kiss some American boodies and try to figure when progresses on Wheeled vehicles are made for our DGA and DoD to chose the design over a tracked one, while you're at it you also can try to find out how you got screwed big time over the F-35 programe and have a lot to learn from ol' Europe.

The day your industries are as capable as that of Korea, point your bloodied noise to me again, i'll be happy to top you up.




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Didn't know (red) wine was a French invention. I always thought wine existed long before the year 0, i.e. the Romans or even the Iranians (6000BC).



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

Was joking, just to shut this big fat Aussie beer hole, the majority of Gauls favoured Mead over Red wine which i believe was more of a mediterranean tradition...

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Thunder, at least I have a beret to wear. We cavalrymen take them very seriously you see. It's one of the cavalry mottos - if it doesn't look good, don't do it.

As to the rest, yep, you are still a wanker.

Since you can't distinguish and Airman from a foot soldier i can understand you think YOU look better than others under a Beret.

You have NO idea what a real Beret looks like btw.

Ask our Chasseur Alpins.

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/mediatheque/videotheque/10_07_09_le_27e_bataillon_de_chasseurs_alpins

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Wasn't a Basque "invention"?

Good guess but other regions had them too, in all it comes from one of our regions, expecially the fabric and method of confection, it was also a typical Parisian fashion long ago.

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Only you Thunder can take a light hearted comment about a beret and turn it into a debate.

Small children must love you.

Getting bad trolls masochist habits lately?

And yes KIDS love me; i teach them not to take shr!te from everyone with a big mouth, they end up shuting fannyfarting trolls like you easly.

Now please dont try to regain your lost self estime by coming back with as much spin and twist as you think is needed to burry this topic under.

You got SELF-owned.

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Thanks joon, now can u elaborate about the SK armed forces?




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As you pointed out this is a war tool, not designed for catwalks and beauty contests.

Good to know your troops are with FINUL, i learnt something, any contact with our boys?

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