so now france cant lower number without high manus, this will probably aswell influence their rafale negotiations with brazil as they wanted to purchase brazilian transport aircraft

The Baron has spoken!

this will probably aswell influence their rafale negotiations with brazil as they wanted to purchase brazilian transport aircraft
Dream on, these was a fund to buy or rent C-130J, that should be high enough for the KC-390.

His gouv is getting rid of Typhoons so he IS pissed off.

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http://rafale.freeforums.org/rafale-vs-f-16-aerodynamics-compared-t69.html

What's the status of the C-17 offer to the AdA?



FREE EASTERN TURKISTAN

His gov cant get rid of Typhoons, if it does then its going to be a golden christmas for the British, Spanish and Italians!


"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."

His gov cant get rid of Typhoons, if it does then its going to be a golden christmas for the British, Spanish and Italians!
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Can't Germany sell them to the UAE?



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

they say they will try to sell the remaining 37 eurofighters to an export customer, if none is found they will purchase them because this would just cost as much as the manus of not taking them

Can't Germany sell them to the UAE?

No I don't think they can. The UK gave away some of its Tranche 2 production slots to Saudi, but it too is still required to make its full order by increasing its Tranche 3 order. The contract was set up to make it very difficult to reduce your order after securing workshare!


"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."

So everyone is binning them...

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so is france with their rafale numbers

no money!

so is france with their rafale numbers
Have you alink about that ?

Have you alink about that ?

There's a river in Africa, the longest in the world, and you're in it


"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."

I can perfectly understand the frustration of some pro-Typhoon posters but I'm not sure that it worth posting useless things or worst, lies.

So, I ask again an official source about France buying less Rafale.

So do I.

AGAIN for the RETARDS:

As for June 2009 after publication of the Livre Blanc, the Rafale programe is a 294+ aircraft and actual planned delivery orders doesn't cover the programe target but the PLMs for orders up to 2015.


Rafale unit cost is computed on a 294 aircrafts target for a joint AdA/MN fleet of 300 in 2020.

When Mirage 2000Ds will have reached the end of their service life, there will have been 300 Rafale delivered to French services not including replacements for atrition.

AND HERE IS A LINK:
http://dassaultwebtv.empreinte.com/web/

STUFF THE "LONGEST RIVER IN THE WORLD" CRYING TROLLS.


Thunder Supports Rafale

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http://rafale.freeforums.org/rafale-vs-f-16-aerodynamics-compared-t69.html

thunder still waiting for the 23rd fremm to enter service? LOL!

a bit reasonability should show you that the number of planned rafales(planned 15 years ago) will not be equal to those wich will be actually built.

only 120 rafales ordered so far

Get a life, MORON.

"only 120 rafales ordered so far "

Makes NO difference whatsoever.

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294 and 120 does make a difference and not a small one either!

TROLL ATTACK.

who cares what the producer says on its homepage? fremm was a 30 ship programme once lol

it does matter what the french navy and airforce orderes and they ordered only 120 so far

I don't think France will order less than 250 Rafales.



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

As for June 2009 after publication of the Livre Blanc, the Rafale programe is a 294+ aircraft and actual planned delivery orders doesn't cover the programe target but the PLMs for orders up to 2015.


Rafale unit cost is computed on a 294 aircrafts target for a joint AdA/MN fleet of 300 in 2020.

When Mirage 2000Ds will have reached the end of their service life, there will have been 300 Rafale delivered to French services not including replacements for atrition.

AND HERE IS A LINK:
http://dassaultwebtv.empreinte.com/web/

STUFF THE "LONGEST RIVER IN THE WORLD" CRYING TROLLS.




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http://rafale.freeforums.org/rafale-vs-f-16-aerodynamics-compared-t69.html

fremm is also in budget only that they will get 11 ships instead of the planned 19 for the same money lol

We're going to have our number of HULLS and Rafales whatever you retard can p!ss off your mouth.

So keep amusing the gallery at will.

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yes offcourse, but these hulls will be much smaller corvettes lol

Since they will replace much smaller Avisos?

You are definitely lacking in size somewhere i'll assume it's your brain by pure politeness.

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http://rafale.freeforums.org/rafale-vs-f-16-aerodynamics-compared-t69.html

a bit reasonability should show you that the number of planned rafales(planned 15 years ago) will not be equal to those wich will be actually built.
About the "initial target" missing their "final target" as seen for the F-22 for isntance, don't forget that Dassault manage to hold the cost to only 4% more than expected, so that, the budget was known for "decades".


only 120 rafales ordered so far
And only 2 F-35, so what ?

No really, you believe the French AF will keep only 120 planes in the future ?

fremm is also in budget only that they will get 11 ships instead of the planned 19 for the same money lol
22% over budget IIRC.

http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/

A400M : la ligne allemande l'emporte... et c'est une bonne nouvelle

Les ministres français et allemand de la Défense, Hervé Morin et Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg se sont retrouvés hier soir à Paris pour discuter de l'avenir du programme d'avion de transport militaire Airbus A400M. La ligne de fermeté allemande l'a emporté, alors que les Français semblaient prêts à faire plus de concessions à l'industriel afin de sauver ce programme européen dans la panade.

La France et l'Allemagne attendent désormais "un geste financier" d'EADS. Pas question non plus de renegocier le contrat en deux tranches, comme l'a évoqué le général Palomeros, chef d'état-major de l'armée de l'air, lors du salon aéronautique de Dubaï. "La fidelité au contrat n'est pas seulement une phrase romantique" a martelé le Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg. Une position également partagée par les Britanniques, qui souhaitent "rester fermes et mettre l'industriel à l'épreuve".

Le "geste financier" attendu par la France et l'Allemagne arrive dans un contexte où EADS (maison mère d'Airbus) a enregistré une perte nette de 87 millions d'euros au troisième trimestre 2009. Une annonce, il est vrai, très opportune, au moment où les Etats font les gros yeux...

Les sept pays participants à ce programme (Allemagne, Belgique, Espagne, France, Grande-Bretagne, Luxembourg, Turquie) doivent se retrouver aujourd'hui à Berlin. L'Afrique du sud, seul client à l'export avec la Malaisie, vient d'annuler sa commande de huit appareils. Le premier vol de l'avion est toujours promis, par Airbus, "vers la fin de cette année". Le retard est déjà de quatre ans. 180 appareils doivent être commandés pour un coût de 20 milliards d'euros, un chiffre sans doute sous-évalué de 25%, s'accordent les experts.

The german minister convince our stupid MoD that letting EADS doing as they wish was a bad idea.

Perhaps France will buy all 294 Rafales, but I would be surprised if they do (unless the MN a/c are part of the 294). I get the impression that the majority of the world's air arms are trying to cut back on a/c numbers overall.

Posting material from the manufacturers website is hardly what I would consider an unbiased source. Lets see what the numbers are over the next 5 years.

I can understand the UK wanting to cut back on Typhoon due to their military commitments overseas, why does Germany want to reduce numbers of Typhoon?

So as I understand the German postion it is they will take A400m in contracted numbers at contracted price for contracted performance? There only point of flexability would seem to be on delivery dates.

If that is the case then A400m is dead because airbus admits it cant produce the plane for contracted price and perfomance.

Seems like if this is the case France may actualy be well postioned to buy allot of those Brazilian transports.

yea the Frogs r pissed off LOL a frog is a frog

LOL...EADS epic FAIL! Not suprisingly the French have yet again failed in managing another high profile defence project the lazy, inept, cocksucking, disgusting, faggots!

I Hail The Flag

In fact it's the opposite, it's Germany who asked flexibility about the A400 contract

a couple billion more or less, irrelevant these days!

its sexy!

Your calculations are correct but knowing french or asking a friendly
Frenchman on WAAF would have gotten you that info years ago!
The projected 294plus number has actually been so stable, it's scary!
AND it ALWAYS include tha MN birds.

And the only way so far that it would not hold would be :
A)- by engaging/activating a new plame program ( for which there
are rumors all over but nothing worthy of mention
B)- by an incredible twist AND an incredible financial effort in the
nEUROn program where one of the possibilities to be examined as
can be guessed from the definition guidelines is the use of the UCAV
as a wingUNmanNed collaborator/henchman for the Rafale.

I especially like the B possibilty as it was envisioned almost immediately
as soon as unmanned flight began edging into feasability.

Read you soon; have a good day, mate!

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Holy smoke, the A400M has a HUD? Apparently this is normal (C-17 cockpit). I never noticed it before.




When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

and guess what?

http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/997.html

LOL, no?



Speak softly and carry a big stick.

I've changed my outlook on the A400m, Turkey Should buy a dozen more It will fit in perfectly with TAI modernised C-130s.

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On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

On May 23rd 2006, Two Greek F-16 fighters Scrambeled to intercept two Turkish F-16s that was escorting a Recon aircraft over the southern Aegean, After a short Mock-dogfight the Greek F-16 colided into the Turkish F-16. Turkish Pilot Lieutenant Halil Ibrahim Özdemir Ejected safely while the Greek pilot Lieutenant Konstantinos Kakkavas died instantly.

On December 4th 2007, a Greek F-16C participated in a night exercise in the Sporades archipelago, the pilot Lieutenant Athanasios Batsaras lost orientation thinking he was gaining altitude instead flew his aircraft into the sea. Athanasios Batsaras body was found latter on by a Turkish frigate which responded to the emergency call.

Point of the story is: Greeks don't know how to Fly.

On June 3rd 2003, a Greek F-16 block 30 Piloted by Captain Theodoros Pliatsikas crashed when a Bird was sucked into the air intake causing Engine Failure. Captain Theodoros Pliatsikas however was lucky enough to Eject and survived the incident with minor injury.

On June 4th 2009, a single seater Greek F-16 block 50 crashed in Ioannina after the plane ingested a bird. The pilot managed to eject from the plane with minor injury.

Point of the story is: Birds 2 Greeks -2 F-16s