Turkey chastises the West on Iran

Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the West's stance on Iran was unfair
Turkey's prime minister has accused the West of treating Iran unfairly over its nuclear programme.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Britain's Guardian newspaper Western fears Iran wanted to build the bomb were "gossip".

His comments come as a team from the UN nuclear watchdog continues its inspection of a previously secret uranium plant near the city of Qom.

Mr Erdogan is due in Tehran for talks with both President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the country's Supreme Leader.

The Turkish leader suggested that there was a dual standard in the West's approach towards Iran.

He said any military strike against Iran would be "crazy".

Mr Erdogan also said many of the states which objected to any move by Iran to build a nuclear arsenal - including all the permanent members of the UN Security Council - possessed one themselves.

"There is a style of approach which is not very fair because those [who accuse Iran of pursuing nuclear weapons] have very strong nuclear infrastructures," Mr Erdogan said.

"So although Iran doesn't have a weapon, those who say Iran shouldn't have them are those countries which do," he added.

His comments come as world powers await Iran's response to a new proposed deal over its uranium enrichment programme.

Under the arrangement, Iran would send some enriched uranium to Russia to be turned into fuel.

The proposed deal is seen as a way for Tehran to get the fuel it needs for an existing reactor, while giving guarantees to the West that its enriched uranium will not be used for nuclear weapons.

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But opposition inside Iran to the agreement is said to be growing. The government has promised a response this week.

The four-member IAEA team is expected to return for a second day on Monday to the country's Fordo enrichment facility, some 30km (20 miles) north of the holy city of Qom.


NUCLEAR FUEL CYCLE

Mined uranium ore is purified and reconstituted into solid form known as yellowcake
Yellowcake is converted into a gas by heating it to about 64C (147F)
Gas is fed through centrifuges, where its isotopes separate and process is repeated until uranium is enriched
Low-level enriched uranium is used for nuclear fuel
Highly enriched uranium can be used in nuclear weapons


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During their mission, the inspectors are expected to compare the engineering blueprints submitted by Iran with the actual layout of the plant, interview employees, and take environmental samples to check for the presence of nuclear materials.

The Iranian government says the Fordo plant - which is cut into a mountainside, constructed of reinforced concrete and protected by military installations including missile silos and anti-aircraft batteries - will not be operational for another 18 months.

They claim it will be large enough to house 3,000 centrifuges, which will produce uranium that is 5% enriched, suitable only for peaceful purposes. Weapons-grade material is more than 90% enriched.

Iran agreed to open the site to monitoring at talks with the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany in Geneva on 1 October.

Iran says its nuclear programme is for purely peaceful purposes but the revelation of the existence of the new plant had increased fears in the West about Tehran's intentions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8325373.stm





NCR called Turks uneducated and yobaz's "First of all, winning the votes the majority of the population, which I specifically like to define as "YOBAZ"
(can be compared to the Neo-Conservative morons in the United states) does not imply that the entire nation
supports AKP, and it does not imply that those that to support it are the smartest and most educated people in Turkey."

"Greeks invented sex but TURKS introduced it to women" - Hirotidos Papadopoulos (1452-Just before Istanbul fell to the Turks)

No offence but what is Turkey in the grand scheme of things. If Israel and the USA want to attack Iran, Turkey will not make a difference.

Saying that however I hope nobody does attack Iran because a revolution is around the corner.

The Iranians could be our greatest allies, its funny that our greatest enemy in the region is by far filled with the most rational and liberal people in this god forsaken region.

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"Montreal Canadiens suck,
(the hockey team not the people)"

Personally i am not in favor of our president giving so much vocal support to Iran.

Iranians certainly dont give a sht about Turkey, so all this pro-Iran stuff is nonsense to boost trade i suspect.

However, what Revolution are you talking about Merkava? and how will Iran become your ally???

The only thing you guys have in common right now is the fact that like Israel (and that nasty chick in your avatar proves my point here) the Iranians have alot of drug addicts. Maybe you can use that for bridge-building

The shia Ayatollahs in my opinion are just as fcking crazy as the Zionist nutters sat in Tel Aviv, none of these nutjobs should have Nuclear weapons to throw at each other.

Erdogan he is an Islamist he might have tried to hide hes and the AKP party's true intentions but it is pretty clear by know where hes real sympathy lies ! . Not in the west and he is obviously not a great fan of Turkeys Secular constitution either ! . Acting in defense for a Country he has no business in defending there questionable intentions .

@merkava25

Slightly off-topic but you are obviously not a Jew/Israeli but an Iranian so why are you pretending otherwise?

I have a feeling that you can't converse in Hebrew or talk in depth about Jewish culture with someone who is a real Jew/Israeli. I might be wrong on this but please, no usual excuses like you are not born or brought up in Israel or such to wriggle out of it.

The only thing you guys have in common right now is the fact that like Israel (and that nasty chick in your avatar proves my point here) the Iranians have alot of drug addicts. Maybe you can use that for bridge-building
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I suspect Merkava to be "that nasty chick in his avatar".




(expects attitudes towards Merkava to change)



When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

obama uses erdogan against jews.

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First off an Iranian can be a Jew, many are.

I have also never said that I was Israeli in fact I said that I was not Israeli.

I am what you call a secular Jew. We have our own Synagogues but my family rarely attends, I am an eshkenazi but my background is not East European either. The orthodox hate us, so I hate them if you read my posts you would see that.

I could care less what you think I am, it is my honest opinion that Iran would be a good ally of Israel because they have suffered a lot at the hands of Arabs just like we have. The Turks have an identity crisis but the Iranians are very liberal minded, I know many in Toronto and unlike the members of this site you don't hear any of this anti-Israeli bull**** from them.

Many members of Israel's government have said the same thing I have, about Iran and Israel being natural allies surrounded by enemies.

If you think I am Iranian because of my dislike for your court jestor Free_Nation, well I can't do anything about that. I said he was boring, he said he would shut me up, I challenged him and that shameless brat mentioned the holocaust. I don't forgive so easily but time and time again I have stepped in when people were insulting India for being poor. I see many Iranians have already crossed that line, I haven't, now think what you will.

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"Montreal Canadiens suck,
(the hockey team not the people)"

Whoever thinks the girl in my sig is nasty is in fact homosexual. I'm sorry I hate to be the one to break it to you.

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"Montreal Canadiens suck,
(the hockey team not the people)"

Merkeva, i am sorry to break it to you but the wast majority of Iranians are anti-Israelis... this is a simple fact. That does not mean we hate jews and etc... but it lies in the very fact that Israel currently is a expansionist racist state that uses same policies and technics as the nazis. There is nothing too like about it.

This kind of behavior is not like by the vast majority of the peoples of this planet.. hence why Isreal is very much disliked by the average joe in most countries. Which is a great testament of how people feel since the press is mostly owned or operated by individuals that are very sympathetic towards it.

This does not mean that Iran and Isreal can never be friends.... i agree with most of your statements regarding Iran and Isreal being natural allies, but this will not happen as long as Isreal is doing what it is doing.... its a simple fact.

Even the Shah who was not overtly hostile to Isreal was aware of this and his statements demonstrated this....

Once Israel stops being an aggressive expansionary regime then I am pretty confident that Iran will be more then willing to be friends with Israel.

"obama uses erdogan against jews"

@tigintimur, er can you elaborate on that? How does Obama use Erdogan against the Jews? i mean how does that theory work exactly, and also WHY would Obama want to use Erdogan against the Jews??

"Whoever thinks the girl in my sig is nasty is in fact homosexual. I'm sorry I hate to be the one to break it to you"

@Merkava

I am sorry to break this to you....

but that girl in your avatar is probably the ugliest girl in the Israeli army, if you find her very attractive, you should definitely get out more


Seriously man - sorry to go off topic like this but i just got to tell ya - that is one super-nasty fcking chick, do Not marry her even if its Armageddon in 2012 you can do better.

i am sorry to break it to you but the wast majority of Iranians are anti-Israelis...

I beg to differ. In fact, the majority of Iranians couldn't care less about Palestinians. Iranians may be morally sympathetic to Palestinians but do feel that we are wasting our resources for nothing while we could use those resources on our own people.

Having said that, Israel and our animosity towards the Jewish state is more of a political move to gain influence in the region. As long as Iran's natural hegemony is not respected in the Middel East Israel will not have a peaceful night, the establishment says.

And if you look at it logically. Israel's advantage in our region is artificial and in the long run cannot be sustained but I certainly wouldn't go as far as claiming that we are anti-Israeli.

It is indeed in our interest to allies with Israel. If you are on good terms with Israel, you would find yourself in good terms with America as well and obviously the doors will go open and investments start pouring in. However, we cannot do that yet. We need to gather as many bargaining chips as possible and drive Israel and the west to a corner to a point that they would accept our terms and we could strike a grand bargain.

I wouldn't say though that Mullahs are doing a good job right now: Internal turmoil, internationally an outcast and eroded under various sanctions.

 

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As if anybody gives a fvck what Erdogan said ... Meanwhile it could be related with new contrats about developing natural gas fields in Iran..
everything is a game, Iran doesn't have the tech to expolit its all gas reserves, gaves the contrats to Turkish firms, Turkish firms in fact didn't have those techs but appearently they have it now.. I bet most of those Turkish firms are just covers for western oil giants and all sides know this fact..


For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan!
-Ziya Gokalp-

"Having said that, Israel and our animosity towards the Jewish state is more of a political move to gain influence in the region. As long as Iran's natural hegemony is not respected in the Middel East Israel will not have a peaceful night, the establishment says."

Hmmm, US/Western hegemony is a bad thing...but an Iranian hegemony...well of course that's great. Why am I reminded of the pigs from Animal Farm...just remember all animals are equal, some are just more equal than others.

"And if you look at it logically. Israel's advantage in our region is artificial and in the long run cannot be sustained but I certainly wouldn't go as far as claiming that we are anti-Israeli."

Sorry what would those unsustainable advantages be...better educated population, a diverse and efficient domestic economy, hi-tech exports, democracy. Your average Israeli would like nothing better than to end their ludicrous spending on the military, however I think you agree that it would be unwise for them to do so.

"It is indeed in our interest to allies with Israel. If you are on good terms with Israel, you would find yourself in good terms with America as well and obviously the doors will go open and investments start pouring in."

No, a nation needs to demonstrate it is a stable and reasonable place to do business in, where the government abides by it's own laws. Ask Chavez just how much foreign investment has flowed in since he started arbitrarily seizing their assests (and handing them over to his friends to line their and his pockets).

However, we cannot do that yet. We need to gather as many bargaining chips as possible and drive Israel and the west to a corner to a point that they would accept our terms and we could strike a grand bargain."

Sorry what corner would that be? And by the way going nuclear is not a bargaining chip...it is an end to the bargaining...ask Kim!

I wouldn't say though that Mullahs are doing a good job right now: Internal turmoil, internationally an outcast and eroded under various sanctions.

I would say that when the Mullahs finally figure out that no theocracy will be accepted in the modern world and resign peacefully, then Iran will be able to develop positively.

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"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

Erdogan is stupid to side with hopeless weak side maybe he is too pissed off by EU membership

Nothing will change the relationship between Israel and Iran so long as the Ayatollahs remain in charge, don't kid yourselves. Be it Musavi or Ahmadinejad, the Iranian population see Israeli as a menace in the region that needs to be dealt with, much like the world see's Iran. I suspect with the advent of a revolution or Musavi in charge, relations between Tehran and Tel Aviv will hardly change, though, more diplomatic options could be more of a possibility.

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Iran does not like Arabs but they are well Muslims so no Jew

"Iran does not like Arabs but they are well Muslims so no Jew "

That may be true HBN, but once Allah has cleansed every Jew from the planet, how better to demonstrate you are one of the faithful (so that Allah should favour you) than by eliminating the heretics! I love religion...

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"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

Erdogan is a wise man who well knows what will be consequences in an event if Iran were to be attacked..

We as Turkey suffer at the end.. because its our own backyard. We have a have healthy trade with Iran at the moment that is aimed to reach over 20 billion in the coming years. If Iran were to be bombed, our trade suffers thus Turkish economy suffers.

Turkey has the first say on who get to bomb our very own backyard... not Iran, Turkey will not permit this.

" but once Allah has cleansed every Jew from the planet, how better to demonstrate you are one of the faithful (so that Allah should favour you) than by eliminating the heretics! I love religion... "

When Jews were expelled from Spain, France and Portugal in 1500's.. ship loads of Jews had to seek refuge in Muslim, Ottoman territories.

Why Turkey is not in the 6+1 meetings over Iran?

Turkish PM is in Iran today btw

Quote:I could care less what you think I am, it is my honest opinion that Iran would be a good ally of Israel because they have suffered a lot at the hands of Arabs just like we have.

Here you just admitted you are isrealean

"When Jews were expelled from Spain, France and Portugal in 1500's.. ship loads of Jews had to seek refuge in Muslim, Ottoman territories. "

So your saying that you want more Jews?

Or are you somehow attempting to justify your current position by citing of someone else 500 years ago? Cause if we can justify our actions based solely upon what some other people did hundreds of years ago...I'm going out impaling people tonight! I mean somebody else did it at least once so therefore it's OK, right?

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"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

more wars create more terrorist(more civilian casualties) and thats not good for turkiye

"The Iranians could be our greatest allies, its funny that our greatest enemy in the region is by far filled with the most rational and liberal people in this god forsaken region. "

yeah, hilarious.

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Freedom is never free.

well i dont a attack will come.. for the simple reason USA cannot afford it. only israel is pushing for it

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Hmmm, US/Western hegemony is a bad thing...but an Iranian hegemony...well of course that's great.

Iran's hegemony is natural. Western hegemony is artificial and not indigenous. Whenever the West gets involved they create more mess than anything else. Why? Because they don't understand the geo-politics of this region.

Sorry what would those unsustainable advantages be...better educated population,

Countries like Iran are highly educated as well. In fact a country like Jordan has very high number litteracy rate and yet it is not an economic power. Your reasoning is flawd.

a diverse and efficient domestic economy, hi-tech exports,

Any country would be in that shape if it enjoyed Billions of Dollars of aid and privileges of transfer of technology the way Israel enjoys. As I said Israel status is artificial. Whereas, a country like Iran has been subjected to all kinds of internal and specially external turmoil, war and never ending sanctions.

democracy. Your average Israeli would like nothing better than to end their ludicrous spending on the military, however I think you agree that it would be unwise for them to do so.

Incorrect. They claim they have democracy and yet they are as extremist as the Mullahs in Iran. In other words, an educated advanced country is run by a bunch of Zionist extremists. It looks like democracy and all the technology hasn't done much for them. Has it?

Moreover, as long as Israel is kept in this position by foreign powers to do the dirty job for the West, it neither sees the light of peace nor deserves to see it and quite honestly it deserves a regime like the Mullahs of Iran to keep them checked. The only victims here are Iranians and the Israeli.

No, a nation needs to demonstrate it is a stable and reasonable place to do business in, where the government abides by it's own laws. Ask Chavez just how much foreign investment has flowed in since he started arbitrarily seizing their assests (and handing them over to his friends to line their and his pockets).

Rubbish. A nation needs to prove it fits in the grand scheme of western bullies and if you don't obey you will be punished. It certainly doesn't matter if you're unstable (like Israel) it certainly doesn't matter if you violate human rights on a grand scale (such as Israel and Saudi Arabia) as long as you follow the rules of Big Brother.

You are yet to learn the basic understanding of Real Politik.

 And by the way going nuclear is not a bargaining chip...it is an end to the bargaining...ask Kim!

Stay tuned. Nuclear technology is certainly a leverage to negotiate to secure yourself privileges and guarantees. I certainly hope you're not mad enough to mean by the "end" a nuclear attack on Iran.

I would say that when the Mullahs finally figure out that no theocracy will be accepted in the modern world and resign peacefully, then Iran will be able to develop positively.

I am afraid that is for Iranians to decide. Iranians may choose evolution over revolution. In that case, the west needs to learn to leave with theocratic Iran armed with nukes.

Having said that, Mullahs might secure their future by nukes internationally but nukes won't save them internally when or rahther if they decide that Mullahs have to go.

I guess we are gonna have to wait and see.

 

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" So your saying that you want more Jews?

Or are you somehow attempting to justify your current position by citing of someone else 500 years ago? Cause if we can justify our actions based solely upon what some other people did hundreds of years ago...I'm going out impaling people tonight! I mean somebody else did it at least once so therefore it's OK, right? "


Mate are you usually this retarded or you just making a special effort today?

JUST before you were insinuating that Muslims wished to wipe out the existence of Jews.. Where as history tells us otherwise. Read some farking history you thick headed mongrel knob jockey. When Europe flushed out all south-west European jews out of their homes in droves, packaging them on ships.. It was my ancestors, us Muslim Turks who welcomed them in our cities.. Most of them settled in Ottoman Empire's second largest city of Selanik (eastern Europe) and the other half in Istanbul.

Prime Minister in Iran

Hell, I admire the Iranians and all but whats with this little turd floating about across the globe trying to stir sh1t up? ROFL. Who the fak cares what little Turkey says? I mean the average American probably knows only one type of Turkey, the one he eats on thanksgiving..lol.

Recip gildimb bilbim erdowhatever kiss kiss needs to know his place, ROFL. Who the fak do the turks think they are in the grand scheme of things?


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

When Jews were expelled from Spain, France and Portugal in 1500's.. ship loads of Jews had to seek refuge in Muslim, Ottoman territories.

I beleive that the sultan (Suliman) sent the ships to spain to take the jews to his lands,showing more compassion than the christian king and Queen of spain.



Down here we just dig coal

Nothing will stop the downfall of Erdogan......

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

//Who the fak cares what little Turkey says? I mean the average American probably knows only one type of Turkey, the one he eats on thanksgiving..lol. //

w00tness,

You would no doubt find it amusing that the word for turkey (the bird) in Turkish is "hindi"!

More seriously, I disagree with those members who claim most Iranians are anti-Israeli. A very popular slogan in recent demonstrations in Iran has been (in Persian):

"na ghazze, na lobnan, janam fadaye iran",

which roughly translates to:

"Not Gaza, not Lebanon, I lay my life down for Iran".

Iranians don't really care enough about the Israeli-Arab conflict to take sides. Having said that, I also believe that after the demise of the Islamic Republic system, there will be no obstacles to the normalization of relations between Iran and Israel. There will be no need for bargaining chips or negotiations, as the two countries don't have any opposing interests or outstanding issues.

You would no doubt find it amusing that the word for turkey (the bird) in Turkish is "hindi"!

What exactly is hindi? lol, its just one of the tens of languages spoken in India. The name India was derived from Sindhu, or the original name of the Indus river.

Besides, like I said, the turks can call my country a two legged squid giga godzilla monster for all I care..haha. We have better things to concentrate on than a bunch of god forsaken turks and what their gilbim gilbim laced words could mean..lol.


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

turkiye is the 2 strongest in nato and thats why the usa makes it big deal and thats why it is a big deal to the world(turkiye is developing country)

turkiye is the 2 strongest in nato

ROFL...


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

whats so funny ask the americans even they know turkiye is second strongest in nato

I'm imagining you saying that with the doofy look you had on your face in that picture you posted in the den.

AHAHAHAHA
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"Turkiyeee great powaah ya?!!?" ROFLMAO!!


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

at least people can me see me your just too dark to look at here thats why you did not post it

"First off an Iranian can be a Jew, many are."

this troll is i-ranian refugee??

That explains it, i was also wondering what made this merkava attention whore troll so much in my threads when i was bashing the iranian refugee rats

"I have also never said that I was Israeli in fact I said that I was not Israeli."

you seem to b suffering from identity crisis and/or short term memory loss, one day you are israeli and the other day you are not. tsk tsk, refugee rat and his antics.

ON Topic- iran is doomed, the day they declared isarel to b an enemy which needs to b wiped off the map and made their intentions of a nuke device public, their days are numbered.

Israel will never tolerate a nuke powered iran (or arab country), much less a nuke ARMED iran. Dont go by what this troll merkava says, he is not even jewish.






colours of Kaziranga

at least people can me see me your just too dark to look at here thats why you did not post it


I've already posted my pic before, haha. The onus is on you to hunt it down. I swear, if you don't stop your trolling I will bring out the photoshop. I'm warning you, haha.


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

I don't get it. Iran and Turkey are seeking closer relations and Hungry Indians think they have a saying in it? What a cheek.

Iran is suffering under sanctions and Turkey is hit hard by the global recession. So, it would only benefit both countries.

Some time ago I shared with you how much I like to see a common market in the Mid East. At the time, it was just a dream. All of a sudden it seems so possible. Joint airline.... paying each other in our currencies...Nice...

 

There will be no need for bargaining chips or negotiations

Bargaining chips are definitely necessary if the regime stays in power. In fact, it would even be necessary when the regime is replaced. Any nationalistic Government would need these chips as well to strike a grand bargain with the west.

 

 

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"Nothing will stop the downfall of Erdogan......"

He's very shrewd....pissing off the Isrealis, appeasing the Iranians, these are all popularist moves which will inevitably hurt the country but allow him to keep his votes....he's also aiming for the Kurdish vote through reapproachment .......however by putting AKP's agenda ahead of national interests he's now fast becoming a threat to our national security and he needs to be dealt in that manner.



I Hail The Flag

Turkey, Iran vow to increase trade to $20 billion in 2011

Iran and Turkey said they agreed to strengthen energy, banking and transport ties in a drive to almost treble trade between the two neighbours to $20 billion in the next few years.

Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:10



Iran and Turkey said they agreed on Wednesday to strengthen energy, banking and transport ties in a drive to almost treble trade between the two neighbours to $20 billion in the next few years.

"The two countries are seriously determined to expand their bilateral relations in all fields," Iran's first vice president, Mohammad Reza Rahimi, told a joint news conference with visiting Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan.

Erdogan spoke of plans to increase trade to $20 billion in 2011 and said he welcomed an Iranian call for trade volume to reach $30 billion eventually. Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said last week bilateral trade was $7 billion in 2008.

Erdogan has steadily expanded Turkey's influence in the Middle East since his ruling AK Party took power in 2002.

Iran, the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, is Turkey's second-biggest supplier of natural gas after Russia.

Rahimi said the two sides reached a series of agreements, including building two power plants, setting up a free industrial zone on both sides of the border and on Iranian and Turkish banks opening branches in the other country.

He said there were also agreements covering Iranian gas exports to Europe via Turkey and on Turkish investments in Iran's South Pars gas field and in the Caspian Sea, but gave no details.

Turkey signed a preliminary deal in November 2008 for gas to be exported to Europe through Turkey and for Turkey to produce gas in the South Pars field. The investment would amount to $3.5 billion.

The deal has been delayed by objections from the United States, which opposes new energy deals in Iran as part of Western sanctions on Tehran over its nuclear programme.

Iranian media said earlier that Iran had agreed to a Turkish request for a three-month extension of a deadline to finalise the South Pars deal in order to clarify pricing and other details.

"We have more steps to take on economy, trade, oil and gas to promote cooperation," Erdogan said. His comments in Turkish were translated into Farsi.

Iran is under U.S. and U.N. sanctions over nuclear work Tehran says is for peaceful power generation but which the West suspects is aimed at making bombs.

Turkey has said that Iranian gas can help the planned Nabucco pipeline to supply Europe and lessen the continent's dependence on Russian deliveries.

Reuters

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=49142

Turkey's PM says Iran key for regional peace

Erdogan said, "Turkey has always attached great importance to relations with Iran."

Wednesday, 28 October 2009 13:33



Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayip Erdogan, who is on a formal visit to Iran, said on Wednesday that Iran will always be a key country for peace and stability in its region.

"Considering what it is capable of and what it is not, Iran will always have a key position in the region for the establishment and continuance of peace and stability," Erdogan told a press conference in Tehran.

Erdogan started his visit to Tehran on Tuesday and met with top Iranian officials including President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Iran's nuclear program was also high on the agenda during Erdogan's talks with Ahmadinejad. Erdogan said that Iran's nuclear program was humanitarian and pacifist.

This was his second visit to Iran after three years, Erdogan recalled, adding, "Turkey has always attached great importance to relations with Iran."

However, Erdogan said Turkey was against nuclear weapons but added that every country has the right to use nuclear power for humanitarian purposes.

"Iran has that right, Turkey has that right too," he said.


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http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=49126

i think thats a verry smart move i mean just think about it we are irans only trade partner and every one alse is missing out on this great piece of cake and i tell you something we will benefit a lot from iran and fu[k what the world thinks just think of this $$$$$$$$

however by putting AKP's agenda ahead of national interests he's now fast becoming a threat to our national security and he needs to be dealt in that manner.

How could resolving the Kurdish issue from another angle not be part of your national interest? You have tried the military option for decades and it didn't work. So, give him a chance. At least he is trying something different.

 

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"You have tried the military option for decades and it didn't work."

Hardly, our military hasn't been given the chance to go across the border and wipe out the hidden camps in iraq because of international pressure. Infact i think it's about time Turkey asserted itself upon the region and gave iraq a warning if they continue to harbour terrorists be prepared to be invaded..

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On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

How is improving relations with Iran and attempting to solve Kurdish problem is a national security threat? Iran provides opportunity for investment in energy and construction, we have good co operationg against Kurdish rebels and in the long run Iran can diversify our energy supplies and give lifeline to nabucco pipeline.

[Hardly, our military hasn't been given the chance to go across the border and wipe out the hidden camps in iraq because of international pressure. Infact i think it's about time Turkey asserted itself upon the region and gave iraq a warning if they continue to harbour terrorists be prepared to be invaded..]

-Turkey SHOULD invade Northern Iraq. What can the US say/do? I mean seriously.. they went into Iraq because of the "war on terror".. so it would only be fitting if Turkey did the same. Any pressure from the international community should be met with comments like "if you're allowed to defend yourself from terrorists, so should we"... etc etc...

Now wouldn't that be an interesting scenario..

you guys recon that obama is more of a softy president just so that we can do that but still it is too risky but a wrong time

Hardly, our military hasn't been given the chance to go across the border and wipe out the hidden camps in iraq because of international pressure. Infact i think it's about time Turkey asserted itself upon the region and gave iraq a warning if they continue to harbour terrorists be prepared to be invaded..

So, you expect the internal community to accept the fact that you want to invade another sovereign state to clamp down on your rebels? It doesn't work that way. You need to try to solve the problem not eradicate it by Iron Fist. Don't forget, these are your countrymen and have grievances. I condemn Turkish incursions into Iraqi territory as much as I condemn Iran's incursion into Pakistan's Baluchistan.

The smart way would be reconciling with those people because if you don't before you know Mossad is training them against you. Look at Iran and the way the Americans are using Jundullah to intimidate Iran to give in on its nuclear ambitions. Learn from it.

Your leaders are learning but you're not.

 

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Any pressure from the international community should be met with comments like "if you're allowed to defend yourself from terrorists, so should we"... etc etc...

You cannot afford to that. That would lead to boycotts and sanctions. Turkish economy doesn't have the necessary natural resources (like Iran does) to withstand any sanctions. Your economy is more integrated in the international community and in a way more dependent on good relations with the outside world, which makes you more vulnerable.

To give you an example: just imagine how many people would lose their jobs in Turkey if your tourist industry collapses due to boycotts. You're already affected due to souring relations with tiny Israel and the fact that they stopped coming to your country.

 

 

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Iraq is much more reliant on Turkey then Turkey to Iraq. We are building their country and help them export their oil through our ports. Their water flows through Turkey and we have control over how much it flows down south. But the fact is Iraq is in no shape to take on terrorist groups, it has no jurisdriction over northern areas yet alone military might. Invading northern Iraq risks igniting Kurdish - Turkish conflict.

PKK as it is a relatively marginal group and is not a popular uprising or anything. Iraq is an important partner for trade and investment and in future will be a good supplier of energy for Turkey. So i prefer limited incursions to inflict maximum casualties on PKK instead of invasion and occupation. This, coupled with incentives to demobilise their ranks. We shouldnt ignore the big picture, in the grand scheme of things PKK is actually pretty small.

"JUST before you were insinuating that Muslims wished to wipe out the existence of Jews.. Where as history tells us otherwise. Read some farking history you thick headed mongrel knob jockey. When Europe flushed out all south-west European jews out of their homes in droves, packaging them on ships.. It was my ancestors, us Muslim Turks who welcomed them in our cities.. Most of them settled in Ottoman Empire's second largest city of Selanik (eastern Europe) and the other half in Istanbul."

Yeah but I don't see to many western political groups TODAY supporting those sorts of actions, do you? Good for your ancestors...no doubt you will be as gracious.

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"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

"Iran's hegemony is natural. Western hegemony is artificial and not indigenous. Whenever the West gets involved they create more mess than anything else. Why? Because they don't understand the geo-politics of this region."

I suspect most of the mess was purposeful. Do you believe that any preeminent member of any hegemony has not left a mess? History seems to indicate otherwise.

"Countries like Iran are highly educated as well. In fact a country like Jordan has very high number litteracy rate and yet it is not an economic power. Your reasoning is flawd."

So your saying that adult literacy has no impact upon GDP/per capita? Funny that is the exact opposite of what any sociologist would tell me...but no doubt you are much more learned than any of those Poindexter's.

"Incorrect. They claim they have democracy and yet they are as extremist as the Mullahs in Iran. In other words, an educated advanced country is run by a bunch of Zionist extremists. It looks like democracy and all the technology hasn't done much for them. Has it?"

You just let me know when the number of Jews in the Iranian parliament equals the number of Arab members in Knesset...

Moreover, as long as Israel is kept in this position by foreign powers to do the dirty job for the West,...[Long tinfoil hat rant cut for brevity]...You are yet to learn the basic understanding of Real Politik.

I suspect I understand Real Politik at least as well as you (Have you read Kissinger's Memoirs?). In fact your very rant seems to indicate you have no idea about realpolitik...Iran is relatively insignificant from a pure power perspective and likely to remain so if it remains politically isolated.

"Stay tuned. Nuclear technology is certainly a leverage to negotiate to secure yourself privileges and guarantees. I certainly hope you're not mad enough to mean by the "end" a nuclear attack on Iran."

NK has nothing left to offer in trade to Japan, South Korea and the US (it is a nuclear state) and I suspect that both the Chinese and Russians have told Kim that should certain technologies fall into the hands of non-state actors, NK will be under new management pretty quickly.

"I am afraid that is for Iranians to decide. Iranians may choose evolution over revolution. In that case, the west needs to learn to leave with theocratic Iran armed with nukes."

I agree wholeheartedly that it is for Iranians to decide. But I suspect the theocracy won't last much beyond mid next decade and I am not sure that Iran could field a real nuclear weapon in that time...especially if the unrest grows...unmotivated scientists are prone to make errors in calculations.

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"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

 
I suspect most of the mess was purposeful. Do you believe that any preeminent member of any hegemony has not left a mess? History seems to indicate otherwise.

Don't suppose things. If you want to ask something, just ask. Supposing things will only weakens your position.

So your saying that adult literacy has no impact upon GDP/per capita? Funny that is the exact opposite of what any sociologist would tell me...but no doubt you are much more learned than any of those Poindexter's.

I already answered you. A country like Jordan has one of the highest literacy rates in Mid East and yet it is at the mercy of annual American aid. Rules of the game are very different in Middle East. I'm afraid you think in black and white. The largest zone in the political spectrum of Middle East is in fact grey. Countries are kept back artificially because they don't represent the will of its people and the regimes are puppet regimes.

You just let me know when the number of Jews in the Iranian parliament equals the number of Arab members in Knesset...

Iran's Jewish community has always been represented in the Iranian parliament along with the Zoroastrian and Armenian community. Israel on the other hand is an occupied country. There is simply no analogy. No analogy at all...

If we Persians had taken a country populated by Jews, then we could compare the number of Jews in Iranian parliament with the number of Palestinian MPs in Israel but we haven't. Have we?

I suspect I understand Real Politik at least as well as you

You are yet to show that.

Iran is relatively insignificant from a pure power perspective and likely to remain so if it remains politically isolated.

Current Iran is the weakest form of Iran and most Iranians would admit that and yet as long as we are not consulted there cannot be any peace in Middle East. Iran has proved this over and over again in Iraq for instance, when one secret visit of an Iranian general brought peace among two fractions that were fighting each other for months and Yanks with all their tanks and ships couldn't do anything about. Every time more pressure is put on Iran, it just ships more weapons and American soldiers start falling like leaves and it directely can affect the mood in Washingtion. Another example: Iran kept undermining the peace process over and over again and it didn't matter how many presidents tried to get things moving between the Palestinians and Jews.

Iran even managed to seperate Gaza out of the western sphere of influence that was running the Palestinian territories feeding them with nonsense and empty promises of their homeland and sandwiched Israel from both sides as a result.

That is RealPolitik and not talking tough.

I suspect that both the Chinese and Russians have told Kim that should certain technologies fall into the hands of non-state actors, NK will be under new management pretty quickly.

well there you made a fatal mistake by comparing Iran with North Korea. Again there is no analogy. North Korea is insignificant compared to Iran. Iran is a heavy weight in the region with tentacles in other countries that can escalate the situation as more pressure is put on the country. It is all about leverage. United states has leverage over Iran by its presense in the neighbourhood and Iran has leverage over them as well. They also know that if they take it too far with sanctions Iran can escalate the situation by using Hezbollahs or Hamas among other things.

I suspect the theocracy won't last much beyond mid next decade and I am not sure that Iran could field a real nuclear weapon in that time...especially if the unrest grows...unmotivated scientists are prone to make errors in calculations.

Even as an Iranian I dare not to speculate. Iran is too complex and sometimes unpredictable.. Iran has proved in the past that it can weather sanctions. Decades ago the British Government did the same thing to us when we kicked them out and nationalized our oil industry.

If this regime falls, it would be due to internal turmoil only. However, I have my reservations whether we have reached the boiling point. I simply don't know.

 

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"How is improving relations with Iran and attempting to solve Kurdish problem is a national security threat? Iran provides opportunity for investment in energy and construction, we have good co operationg against Kurdish rebels and in the long run Iran can diversify our energy supplies and give lifeline to nabucco pipeline. "

Its not cooperation with Iran that is a concern for national security, its cooperating with the Iranian regime and its concequences to our own international relations. For starters the survival of the Iranian regime is pinned on securing an ally in the region, the Mullahs havent been very successful at that up until now and have therefore remained isolated, but with Turkey openly on their side they will thrive. Quite frankly from a moral standpoint I dont think we should be the country that provides that kind of legitemacy to a regime as corrupt and evil as Irans. Turkey has ambitions to become a regional player however how long do you think that will last if we piss off the Israelis, US and EU at the same time, is it really that smart to be cozying up to the Iranians at a time when even Russia is giving them the cold shoulder, I think not.

As far as the Kurdish problem is concerned, the manner to solve it is by carrying a stick in one hand and a carrot on the other. Instead of appeasement towards seperatists, as we have seen recently from AKP, we should be dealing with them in the harshest manner possible but on the otherhand we should also double our efforts in encouraging investment in the region, so that law abiding Kurds can equally benefit from recent economic growth. Whats driving Kurdish seperatism is not a desire for national identity but rather unemployment and an uncertain economic future.

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//You just let me know when the number of Jews in the Iranian parliament equals the number of Arab members in Knesset... //

coalde,

Iran's parliament has 290 members, one of which is Jewish. The Jewish community has a population of about 30,000, in a country of 74,196,000. So Jews are over-represented in the parliament by a factor of 8.5. This is far better representation than Arabs enjoy in Israel. Even in the US, Jews are over-represented in Congress by "only" a factor or five!

i think that girl in merkawas avatar is really sexy.
well shes lesbo but when she will come across me i will make her straight.
and shes drug addict too wow, we will smoke hasish or opium before sex , intoxicated sex is heavenly when both sides are high. oh la la baby.

PR, Israel spends what they spend because they cannot be complacent when fighting the terrorists. They need more accurate munitions than their counterparts because they are held to a higher standard then their enemy. Collateral damage is a part of war but for Israel to reduce their number more expenses are incurred.

Regarding the girl in my sig I just have to say that just because she's smoking a cigerette doesn't make her a drug addict. I smoke and so do half of you, but I certainly do not do drugs.



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(the hockey team not the people)"

I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole..

just sayin..

i think that girl in merkawas avatar is really sexy.
well shes lesbo but when she will come across me i will make her straight.
and shes drug addict too wow, we will smoke hasish or opium before sex , intoxicated sex is heavenly when both sides are high. oh la la baby.



LOL at the stuff this pillow humper types..haha. Go play with your coke PET bottle you fkin transvestite..lol. Stop wet dreaming in the morning..haha.


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Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

"I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole.."

Thats because you're a faggot!

I Hail The Flag

" Thats because you're a faggot! "

That's rich coming from a hairy black skinned ni,gger who brings shame to us white Turks with your disgusting appearance

//ts not cooperation with Iran that is a concern for national security, its cooperating with the Iranian regime and its concequences to our own international relations. For starters the survival of the Iranian regime is pinned on securing an ally in the region, the Mullahs havent been very successful at that up until now and have therefore remained isolated, but with Turkey openly on their side they will thrive. Quite frankly from a moral standpoint I dont think we should be the country that provides that kind of legitemacy to a regime as corrupt and evil as Irans. Turkey has ambitions to become a regional player however how long do you think that will last if we piss off the Israelis, US and EU at the same time, is it really that smart to be cozying up to the Iranians at a time when even Russia is giving them the cold shoulder, I think not. //

(Dirty)^3 Bird,

You make some good points.