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Pakistan's air war on the Taliban

November 3 2009 at 5:34 PM
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July 30, 2009 (by Asif Shamim) -


The New York Times has published an article about Pakistan's Air Forces improved ability to target and attack militant targets with precision weapons based on information from military officials and independent analysts.

What is surprising is the second paragraph in the article where it implies the military hierarchy in Pakistan were using Google Earth for maps to guide them and have now shifted to sophisticated imagery supplied via spy planes and drones to aid them with precision drops of laser guided bombs.

The change in approach is aimed at avoiding further alienation from the general public who are worried about collateral damage in those areas.

One further reason for the more accurate attacks is the locations in which the Taliban are now found. The rugged region surrounding South Waziristan makes it hard for ground forces to penetrate without sustaining heavy losses. Air strikes with guided weaponry is an asset alongside artillery barrages and helicopter gunship attacks which will help soften the blow in terrain which is often inaccessible by ground vehicles such as tanks.

According to military sources who spoke to the New York Times said Pakistani Air Force F-16s have flown several hundred combat sorties since May. 300 plus against militants held out in the Swat Valley and 100 or so missions in South Waziristan attacking mountain hide-outs, training centres and ammunition dumps.

The article also hints that Pakistani officials have approached the Obama administration with a request to lease Pakistan upgraded F-16s, until its delivery of new Block 52 jets in the next couple of years. The use of these jets they argue would allow Pakistani pilots to fly night missions and loiter over the target area for longer periods which is currently impossible with their aged Block 15 aircraft. Militants in the affected area have been quick to switch to moving and operating by night to avoid the current air attacks.

Everyday for the past few months Pakistani warplanes have hit targets in the Swat Valley and over South Waziristan. The marked change in these operations has been the improved imagery used by planners when attacking specific targets. Lessons were learned after the Bajaur strikes in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) region of Pakistan in the autumn of last year.

"The biggest handicap we had in Bajaur was that we didn't have good imagery," Air Chief Marshal Qamar said. "We didnt have good target descriptions. We did not know the area. We were forced to use Google Earth".

"I didn"t want to face a similar situation in Swat," he said.

Ten F-16s were equipped with high-resolution, infrared sensor pods, provided by the United States. These jets conducted detailed reconnaissance of the entire valley prior to any of the attacks. In the mean time additional data via secret drone flights gathered a wide array of video which was supplied to Pakistani Army Commanders on the ground.

In most cases, officials said, the Pakistani Army provides target information to the air force, which confirms the locations on newly detailed maps. Identifying high-value targets through the use of army spotters or, in some cases, a new, small group of specially trained air force spotters, the air force was able to increase its use of laser-guided bombs to 80 percent of munitions used in Swat, from about 40 percent in Bajaur, Air Chief Marshal Qamar said.

Even with this new ability to attack targets with more precision has not completely stopped the sceptics from voicing there concerns about the numbers of claims of success mentioned by Pakistani officials. "We don't have access to battle-damage assessment or the information on the actual strike execution, so we cannot make a qualitative comparison of what the intended effect was versus the actual effect,2 said one anonymous American adviser.

Pakistani officials are quick to acknowledge that the 21 or so high priority militant leaders in the affected regions have yet to be killed or captured during these new offensives.



http://www.f-16.net/news_article3681.html

"We're still developing our plans for South Waziristan," Air Chief Marshal Qamar said. "We are preparing to ramp up. I think Baitullah Mehsud is getting the message, and the message is, if he keeps doing these things, we'll hit him."




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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


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Re: Pakistan's air war on the Taliban

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November 3 2009, 5:39 PM 

Pakistan should pay more attention toward drones surveillance. It save cost of carrying full fledge sortie. Per F16 operation cost thousands of dollars.

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November 3 2009, 5:48 PM 

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Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


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November 4 2009, 8:19 AM 

@ prado

we are not fighting the "Taliban"
i would prefer if you were to use the word terrorists or rogue tribals instead

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November 4 2009, 11:41 AM 

we are not fighting the "Taliban"
i would prefer if you were to use the word terrorists or rogue tribals instead

omg some one is angry at the mention of pious peaceloving talibans happy.gif

Pakistan's air war on the Taliban

so pakis r bombing their own country

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November 5 2009, 2:27 AM 


No say we are fighting for money against whoever America says.

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November 6 2009, 9:53 AM 

Bro, how will you provide food for 100 million punjabis and 20 million worthless Kashmiris without American aid? The sacrifice of a few million pashtuns is for the greater good of Pakistan. Grin and bear it, jeevay jeevay pakistan..HAHA!

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November 6 2009, 12:18 PM 

^ We are losing $ 5 bill per month because of this war on terror and US is only providing $ 1.5 bill per year

No say we are fighting for money against whoever America says.

won't mind but that doesn't fit really as we ain't getting much money anyway
$1.5 bill/ year how much is that?

but apparently we are fighting those who are playing against us and have become a part of international conspiracies and US has done very good in moving the war on terror from Afghanistan to Pakistan and now our soldiers are fighting cheap battles while an average american soldier can breathe freely in Afghanistan

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November 6 2009, 12:23 PM 

beggars cant b chosers n phuckistanis are paidaisi beggars.


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November 6 2009, 12:29 PM 

^ yeah its a bit hard to let go the old customs we learnt from the hindus but we are trying

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November 6 2009, 12:35 PM 

@ Elves - More aid?!?!

Last week, Congress passed a bill sponsored by Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts to send $7.5 billion in nonmilitary aid to Pakistan over the next five years.

This week, the Associated Press reported that between 2002 and 2008, only $500 million of $6.6 billion in military aid meant to help Pakistan fight militants was actually spent on its intended purpose. Former president Pervez Musharraf spent the rest on his own pet economic projects and arming his country against India. Such misuse of funds, alleged by current and former Pakistani military and government officials, came as Al Qaeda and the Taliban fortified itself in Pakistan. Despite the fact that Pakistan is the leading recipient of support money to fight terrorism, one general told the AP, The army got peanuts.

He noted how Pakistans military received $80 million a month even during cease-fires when troops were in their barracks.



Link -http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/10/06/us_aid_to_pakistan_a_shell_game/

You pakis have got to be the most shameless people on the planet. At least NOW stop beggin...LOL!

You all have baniya blood in you it seems..ROFL. Except for the pathans, no one really cares about them anyways..

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November 6 2009, 12:45 PM 

Last week, Congress passed a bill sponsored by Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts to send $7.5 billion in nonmilitary aid to Pakistan over the next five years.


we have lost $32 billion on the war on terror since 2003
and we are not sitting on treasures and moreover our country is paying the price, we have lost 1000's of innocents and 1000's of soldiers in this fight to make america safe

We never had problems with these so called Talibans before and we never would have had but Mr Bush had to invade a country trying to stand on its own after decades of bloodshed and instead of providing the Taliban govt with proof of Osama's involvement in 9/11 they decided to play the big guy

and so the pussy aka musharraf decided to attack these tribals instead of trying to convince Us to stay out and go for a peaceful solution or atleast stayout of the war and close the borders

history can't be altered but what the present is is that our people and troops are losing lives on daily basis so that a random ******* in USA can feel safer and when we are doing this we do expect some support from the other side as well to help us do this in an efficient way



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