- Haaaaaa! Haaaaaaaaa! Poor Mother India will never catch up to the Celestial Dragon! Military, Economically, Politically........; Mother India is just ........ Heee! Heee!
Just looking at this silly Indian Book launching discussing about China and India, it just summed up so much wrong about India and the distinctive different between Indian and Chinese.
Indian are elitist, full of BS Bollywood, about saving face, shining jewels, thick lips hairy women in fancy clothing....... plus dark skin hairy monkey in greasy suits. This is the entire image of Indian, trying very hard to impress, to project a well meaning and wealthy life. This is about fancy showcase, nothing more, nothing less.
In the case of China, you will see practical down to earth hard working; low key bend on results; instead of the like of Indian blah, blah, blah with their big mouth.
You will never see a Hollywood Style Opening Party just for a silly book launch inside China, in the mean while 600 millions of their countryman living in shiiit hole on the street of India; while these selective few well dress Indian are dinning in shrimps.
Indian are just too obsessives with images....... instead of putting their energy into hard work for result; they rather day dreaming about Bollywood Slum Dog Millionaire!
The start of his talking was very wrong. China's economy was much bigger than India's before the reform. Just think about these facts:
1. China's grain production reached 320 million tons before the reform. That's the food for 900 million people. While India only produced roughly 200 million tons for 1.2 billion people in 2009. China's agriculture was way bigger than India's.
2. China's iron and steel production was about 40 million tons a year 30 years ago. India reached that capacity only a few years back.
3. In late 1970s, China's agriculture contributed only about 25% to China's economy ( China only had numbers for agriculture + industry, service was not included in China's statistics). That means China's industry was 3 times of China's agriculture. But India's industry contribution passed agriculture in its economy just a few years back.
4. For infrastructure, China built more than 1000 km of railways a year between 1949 -reform. China built more than 30000 km of railways in the first 30 years before the reform. But India only built about 10000 km of railways in the 63 years since its independence, or about 150 km a year in average.
5. By the technology level, China was a country that could built nuclear submarines. Maybe its not as good as today. But that's a huge achievement and stood for the level of China's technology level and industry development. China finished it independently. I could not imagine anyone showed China a nuclear submarine and allow China to copy. India is still working on its first one after leasing nuclear subs from Russia for decades.
Don't forget China in 1949 was much poor than India in 1947 since PRC was funded after wars of more than 100 years, and KMT looted almost all treasures to Taiwan when it was defeated in the civil war.
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The start of his talking was very wrong. China's economy was much bigger than India's before the reform. Just think about these facts:
1. China's grain production reached 320 million tons before the reform. That's the food for 900 million people. While India only produced roughly 200 million tons for 1.2 billion people in 2009. China's agriculture was way bigger than India's.
2. China's iron and steel production was about 40 million tons a year 30 years ago. India reached that capacity only a few years back.
3. In late 1970s, China's agriculture contributed only about 25% to China's economy ( China only had numbers for agriculture + industry, service was not included in China's statistics). That means China's industry was 3 times of China's agriculture. But India's industry contribution passed agriculture in its economy just a few years back.
4. For infrastructure, China built more than 1000 km of railways a year between 1949 -reform. China built more than 30000 km of railways in the first 30 years before the reform. But India only built about 10000 km of railways in the 63 years since its independence, or about 150 km a year in average.
5. By the technology level, China was a country that could built nuclear submarines. Maybe its not as good as today. But that's a huge achievement and stood for the level of China's technology level and industry development. China finished it independently. I could not imagine anyone showed China a nuclear submarine and allow China to copy. India is still working on its first one after leasing nuclear subs from Russia for decades.
- You point out very good facts, also.... in the second video, this Indian talking about 2002 China and India economy was at par; and there are only 10 years of real different between China and India economically... etc. This is also entirely incorrect.
- When India and China formed their statehood around the same time, India have larger rail network then China; but by around the Seventy, China home build railway already at par and accelerating ahead of India. In the mean while, Indian can't even maintain and upkeep their legacy Indian Rail Way which was built by the British Raj.
- Indian are just hopeless, this author assuming that Indian and Chinese have the same working and intellectual capacity; but this is not the case at all.
- There are few smart Indian who pull ahead, but this is rather limited in their entire population statistically; on the other hand, majority of Chinese are super smart and we compete very fearlessly against each other making us even far more successful then many other race.
Chinese leaders since Deng Xiaoping want to take the credit from Mao era, they always said Chinese economy was in danger before the reform. This propaganda is also to the taste of western world. Both work together and made almost every one beileve that.
China's economy has been in fast track since the reform without doubt.But China did not develope slowly before that even China's first priority was national securityinstead of economical developement.
This is what I wrote on a Chinese forum after people raised the same debate again and again. The data I got mainly come from Chinese Central Statistical Office. To brief PRC's history of the latest 60 years: PRC was founded in 1949, China started so-called reform in about 1980. Roughly PRC had 30 years before the reform and 30 years after reform.
Before PRC was founded in 1949, China had experienced wars of more than 100 years since opium war. There was almost no industry back then. To make it worse, KMT moved almost all main factories to Taiwan after its defeat in the civil war.
For PRC, there are two main tasks: National security and development. Between the both, national security was the first priority and far more important because Chinese had been struggling for more than 100 years. Without national security, economical development can only be a joke. CCP understood this and Mao Zedong, as a great strategist, of course knew this. China had to invest a lot more than today in defense or related engineering projects and research projects. 30% of China's budget was on defense. China spent much more than 2% of China's economy in R&D. China also put more resources on the development of heavy industry. All we know that most of these investments have bad ROI.
China also was in wars one after another before the reform. We know that PRC was founded in 1949, but there were more than 2 million militants who served KMT fighting in mainland. China was forced to enter the war in Korea during 1951-1953 even before PRC swept away those militants. All Chinese troops returned to China from Korea until 1958. Then the wars in Tibet against rebellions in 1959, war against India in 1962 for territory. In late 1960s, China was in national preparation of wars against possible invasion from USSR. China invested huge resources in the third frontline in central and western China. This project lasted for more than 10 years and the cost was very high. But the project completely changed China's industrial distribution. Even today, main major companies in Sichuan, Guizhou, Hunan, Gansu.... provices were built at that time for that purpose. China also had to give huge military assistance to Vietnam that lasted until 1975 since China did not want Vietnam to fall in US's hands for geopolitical reasons. It's estimated that China gave Vietnam about US$20billion for that war. This was the background of China's history in the previous 30 years. China gained national security until early 1970s when China had N-bombs, H-bombs, N-bombers, and ICBMs with n-warheads. China started to build nuclear submarines. All of these military achievements happened in such a short period. I doubt any other developing country can do that.
In the 30 years after the reform, China's situation is totally different. No such heavy investments in military are needed. China started to improve relationships with western world in early 1970s after national security was in our own hands. It's also logical for China to transfer more attention from defense to the development and improving living standards when the first priority was not a problem anymore. China started to import civilian technologies from western countries when sanctions were gone. China spent more than US$5 billion to import those technologies during 1972-1978. That was huge money in early 1970s for any country, let alone a poor China. Opening to the outside did not start after the reform as many claims today.
Even with the high cost on the achievements on national security. China's economical development in the first 30 years of PRC was still comparable with the second 30 years.
1. Industry: China's industry size was 19.1 billion RMB in 1950, 423.7 billion in 1978, and 15695.8 billion in 2009. According to these data given by China's Central Statistical Office, China's industry grew 22 times in the the 28 years before 1978, and 37 times in the 31 years after 1978. There are two things need to be considered: There was almost no inflation before the reform and China experienced huge inflation after the reform. So the 22 times before 1978 was very real, but the 37 times after 1978 has a lot of bubble in it. All the industry before the reform came from Chinese factories, but it is very different in 2009. At least 1/3 of Chinese industry are now from foreign investments. Foreigners are the main beneficiaries from the investments, not our China. In early 1970s, the size of China's industry surpassed agriculture. In 1978, China's industry was 3 times of China's agriculture even China's agriculture was more than doubled in the first 30 years of PRC. China had a good industry system already back then. The construction of nuclear submarines and Gezhouba Dam on Yangtze river before the reform stood for the development level of Chinese industry, especially heavy industry.
2. Agriculture: In 1950, China's main agriculture productions: 132 million tons of grains, 0.692 million tons of cotton, 2.97 million tons of edible oil, 64.01 million of pigs , 46.73 million of sheep (or goats). In 1978, the numbers were changed to 304.77 million tons of grains, 2.167million tons of cotton, 5.21 million tons of edible oil, 301.29 million of pigs, 169.94 million of sheep (or goats). China's record of grain production was 530 million tons in 2009. Lets calculate on these numbers again. China's grain production grew 1.3 times In the 28 years before 1978, and about 0.7 in the 31 years after the reform. For comparison: India has more arable land than China, but India's record of grain production was 250 million tons. India only produced 220 million tons in 2009, much less than the 304.77 million tons that China did in 1978. Don't forget that India has 1.1 billion population today, but China had about 0.9 billion in 1978.
3. Infrastructure: China had only 22,000 km of railways in 1950. But most of them was damaged or totally destroyed in wars. Only 11,000 km of them were operational. in late 1970s, China had about 50,000 km of railways. China constructed more than 1000 km of railways a year in the first 30 year, this was much faster than what China did between the start of the reform and early 1990s. China could only do 300 km a year. Comparing with India again, India had 55,000 km of railways when it got independence. Now India has about 65,000 km. India has done 10,000 km of new lines in 63 years, only about half of what China had done in the 28 years before 1978. China's railway system is expanded to 86,000 km today.
Most majority of China's irrigation system was built before the reform. Only about 15% of today's irrigation systems in China were built in the 30 years after the reform, 85% were built in the 30 years before the reform. Irrigation is the foundation of modern agriculture.
3. Mass education: China's illiterate rate was 80% when PRC was founded, but 80% of Chinese were not illiterate anymore before the reform. This is the reason that China has alot of skilled workers.
4. Chinese's average life expectancy increased from 40.5 years in 1955 to 65.3 in 1980. Increased almost 25 years. That's a huge achievement in a country of almost 900 million population. Chinese's average life expectancy even decreased a little bit during 1990s and early 2000s when China's public medical system was totally collapsed in so-called the reform and increasing pollution problem. That's why Chinese government was forced to re-build the public medical system again several years ago. Today, Chinese's average life expectancy is about 72 years.
5. Scientific development: In the first 30 years of PRC, China invested more than 2% of China's economy in R&D, that's why China could make those N-bombs, H-bombs, N-bombers, satellites, ICBMs, nuclear subs..... All of these meant China's huge progress in R&D in the short 30 years. But China's R&D retreated to about 0.66% during 1980s and early 1990s, and China's gap with western countries was widened again. The gulf war in 1991 astonished Chinese, and Chinese gov decided to put more investment in R&D since then. But even today, China's investment in R&D still only accounts about 1.3% of China's economy.
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just wanted to say something i read a couple years ago,unfortunately i didnt save
the link, but my memory is good:
the industrialization started in the eastern cost provinces,, these provinces now
have attained the standard of living in the category of: developing-developed-fullydeveloped!
comparable to many eU countries,, about +500mm ppl in those provinces.
if u go to cia factbook, last year when i checked the gdp/capita (ppp) was +US$8K,, but those +500mm have
gdp/capita (ppp) perhaps over $20K, probably similar to taiwan's.
of course china still have many living in the inner and western provinces, many are into
agricultures, these are pulling down the gdp/capita, but in about 10 yrs they will move up rapidly.
but ppl forget about the above data, about the +500mm ppl, these are the driving force
that are competing against their comparable sizes: eu and nafta.
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@oneman28,
You post many good points.
BTW: you forget about these dirty Russian Trash, in particular of dirty Stalin Basstard who stole Outer Mongolia from China and to making China paid for many of war materials.
Over all, China handicapped by the East and West and isolated to struggle for many years; as compared to these Useless Indian who get aids from both Russia and USA! With all these aids, these Useless Indian are still so backward and stupid, just to show you how useless they are!
The biggest things that hampered these Indian are their silly Democracy, their Religion, their Caste System and .......... etc. Corruption are rampage inside India, and everyone of their political leader are on the takes.
"Haaaaaa! Haaaaaaaaa! Poor Mother India will never catch up to the Celestial Dragon! Military, Economically, Politically........;"
We dont need to, China is nowhere close to US n terms of military, economy, civil development etc. but china has nukes and means to land them in Washington via missiles.
India, to ur horror, has both nukes and missiles that can land them in Beijing, Shanghai etc. Short border conflicts wont last for more than 2-3 weeks and in that short period China cannot mobilise enough men to overwhelm India in a 3:1 ratio.
By the time the war ends under international pressure both countries should consider lucky if they are able to mobilise 20,000-30,000 men each, it will still be a local war with a 1:1 ratio.
Yes war may escalate but then thr is the danger of nukes, and beijing doesnt want to get nuked. U refugee chinese think otherwise but the chinese prmiere knows that neither he nor his city is immortal from nukes.
We enjoy the same advantage against u that u guys have over USA
BTW Dragon, have u ever visited Kolkata?
Mother India is just ........ Heee! Heee!
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If India really is a basketcase then why isn't celestial China with its CNMD 101010 km BALLISTIC MISSILE THEATRE DEFENCE J-10 NIHAO PENANG BUKBUKLAO come invade?
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LoL,, Yup,, a basket case with more than a trillion dollar GDP!, about 300 billion in reserves !! shooting satellites to moon,, Basket case,,,
Dog Penis has far worst effect on the brain than me imagined ,,lol
- Turtle Boy, just for your information; Hong Kong + Taiwan GDP is already over half Trillion; and they combined don't have freaking 1+ billion people.
- Don't you have no shame; freaking Hong Kong Cash reserves already $256 billions USD. So much of your $300 billions Indian reserves. You carpet beggar don't even match up to tiny Hong Kong! Talking about no shames! Haaaaaaaaa! Haaaaaaa!
- Also, barking about a failure satellites to the moon; this is just too funny as hell! LOL
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Don't you have no shame; freaking Hong Kong Cash reserves already $256 billions USD.
Dont you have no shame; tiny Luxembourg enjoys higher per capita income than celestial chingpong land! But you're twisting and turning here dragon. I repeat my statement, India harbors the Dalai lama, a terrorist according to China, India "occupies" Sikkim and Arunachal..what exactly is China doing about it?
The only battle you and your countrymen seem to be waging is on the internet..lol. I guess you're braver than the soldiers and leaders of China!
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India's forex is US$287billion. While India's external debt is as high as US$224 billion. Really not too much to brag about for a country of 1.2 billion population.
Just think that a man borrows some money with interest and puts in his own pocket, he then tells others: I have money.
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India has access to US, European, Israel's military technology.They can pick and choose whatever weapons they need along with indigenous ones.
China on the other hand is limited in their access to foreign weapons and have to resort to stealing technology (Not the most efficient way to develop weapons)
In the long run, even with lower military expenditures, my guess is that India will leap frog China in overall military capablities.
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good for india....obviously, China is yet to catch up with india...lol
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India has access to US, European, Israel's military technology.They can pick and choose whatever weapons they need along with indigenous ones.
China on the other hand is limited in their access to foreign weapons and have to resort to stealing technology (Not the most efficient way to develop weapons)
In the long run, even with lower military expenditures, my guess is that India will leap frog China in overall military capablities.
Dotheads are pathetic at construction.... that is why superior muslims built the Taj Mahal for them...
Pakistan would have done a better job
Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia
Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.
How many airports, dams or highways Pak has again LOL?
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Pakistan would have done a better job
At crying about water theft, and then getting half their country underwater after a days rain, yes.
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Pakistan makes amazing hill shaped airports...What the?...Oh my God!! That's an actual hill!!!
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You should admire their foresightedness about making hilltop airports! You see, if the airport would have been on the plains then it would have been submerged, just like the rest of packiland. Clearly a divine force at work here!
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Karma is such a bitch, and you just wait for the next Indian famine, flood or earth quake killing hundreds of thousand of you people; then you will be laught at like you bad taste Indian laughing at these Pakistan people at this moment.
I am certain, it ain't take much to sent Hindustan back to the stone age; for majority of you people already living in the stone age existence already.
thanks for posting the video. I enjoyed listening to him.
a few thoughts...
1. he says that they should look at it in that India is like a 2000 China, but better off institutionally. so they should be able to bridge the gap. the Chinese state was able to implement the policies it has because of its power, he cant assume the Indian gov. can do the same things the CCP has. also, even if India was able to match exactly what China has been doing, unless China halts completely, it will take more than 10 years. unless he meant 10 years to be at 2010 China's level.
most importantly, what works for China, most likely wouldnt work for India. the government does not have the ability to do the same things. an example he provided himself. the ability to seize land. even if India gov. generated the money for infrastructure, where is it going to go if the people there are protesting and refuse to move? big mistake when comparing China and India is to assume that if India's gov. does what CCP has (which it cant) it can catch up.
2. this whole race thing is kind of pointless if no one mentions what the goal is. then he said something about not one winning, but one losing. whats the difference...
anyway, China's economic problems now are the same ones being faced with developed economies all over the world (like the real estate bubbles), they arent unique to China's rapid growth.
3. China's biggest issues is not imbalance between borrowing and consumption. as the populace gets more money, consumption will naturally go up. there are numerous articles of rich mainlanders spending sprees. the problem is regulation and corruption. many safeguards and regulated system for business that is found in many developed countries is non existent or faulty in China. that's why all these problems keep showing up.
this is a problem solved by time and maturity. as China's regulation systems mature, it will be stricter, bribery will work less and less.
4. while those problems are important, they havent hindered China's growth in the past. theres no reason it will in the future. and most certainly, it isnt going to make China lose the race for w/e. besides that it is being worked on and many corrupt politicians have been arrested recently.
5. overall, i think i would probably check out his book. but i think this whole race thing is going to sidetrack people from whats important. every country goes at its own pace. its not choose to be fast and then lose like the hare vs tortoise story. i think there is nothing wrong with comparing and looking at China to see what they did right (i wish China would do it for regulations for real estate and production), but that should only be for giving ideas. if you look at a very different country to the point you think its a race, and you are making guesses about bridging gaps based on "oh we were ahead back then, so if we do what they do we can catch up" its too much.
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interesting video.
the author wants his book to be a best seller loool,
and to be a feel-good motivation for indian ppl, theres nothing wrong with that.
but lets see the facts.
the main and most important difference is the Form of gov.
if india keeps the same type/style of gov, there wont be much changes,
meanwhile china keeps changing its gov style year-by-year to make it ppl-friendly.
the next steps that are crucial:
- r&d centers
- number of ph.d's produced by major/good universities
- funding
whoever excel in these will win.
but the problem in india: when i read a major article last year about its edu,
specifically universities, it's lacking much behind china, in terms of # of ph.d's
graduates, # of papers published, # of patents, etc.
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Many of you missed one single most important aspect about China and India which making India impossible to catch up with China.
When both India and China got their independence about the same time; in fact, India got her peaceful independence prior to China........ leaving much of India intact with good rail road and a stable government from the British Raj. While entire China was destroyed, no railroad, no stable government, no legal system, no economy.... etc.
But, one thing that China have done right and created the foundation for the rapid China advance compared to India.
That is the Big Bloody Land Purged and killing of Rich Land Owner inside China; and to redistributed all their land assets to the Chinese poor peasants. This single act of killing and redistribution of Chinese land is the single most important factor which allows for today China to advance, while India continue to be stuck in a time zone of 1950.
When these dirty British Raj left India, ending 200 years of White Mojo of Indian; it is only replaced by Brown Indian Raj to continue their abuse and Mojo of these average Indian.
What is the different and distinction between these British Raj and today Indian Political elites; they both abused their power and enriched themselves from the sea of dirty destitute inside India.
Until and unless you start a revolution where all today Rich Indian Political Elites are overthrow and then put to the torch; redistributes their wealth and land to the average Indian Mass......... the rest of these Indian are just dirty poor serfs.
Also, their entire Indian religions from Sikh to Hinduism ... all are designed as a tool to enslaves the mass.
Mother India is just a big sad joke, a rather cruel joke at best. Let the Maoist run over Mother India and put the torch to the entire country so it can be reborn; until then, all these day dreamer Indian are just barking head...... without real results.
India catching China, is just a silly Day Wetdream!
What opium have you smoke today? Calling dirty India as Superpower is just an Oxymoron! Freaking India can't even compete against African in Africa; hell, these African even have more Olympic Medals then Mother India!
India as Superpower ......... thanks for your cruel joke of laughing stock of the day! ROFLMAo
India never was a SuperPower and she will NEVER be a Superpower! That is that! LOL
China is a united country since more than 92% are Han people, and China treats minorities in better way.
India is on the other way. Hindus is about 80% of India, Muslims are more than 13%. Muslim are discriminated and now living in the bottom of sociality. Recently, Indian police killed about Muslim 60 protesters, but no one wants to pay attention to it. Thousands Kashmir people are being killed each year. This is how India, as a country, treats Muslims. That's 150 million people.
India has long tradition of caste system. Indian government cannot change too much due to its incompetences. Everyone know this.
Indian government treat tribe like ****. TATA's claim on tribe's land for mining and caused protesting, as many as 12 tribe people were killed by police in one protest. A leader of the protesting were killed, no one cares.
So-called "Northeastern India" are different from Hindus. They became a part of India only because Britain ruled them under then name of India. People of these areas are fighting for their independence bravely.
India also treats the poor like ****. Peasants without lands have to move to cities, but they can only live in slums. More than 50% of Mumbai residents are now in slums where they can only live like rats. Indian government promised a lot, but they never put their promise into action.
There are only about 40 million Indians can access Internet. That's a bout 3% of Indian population. These people live on the top of other Indians, They are enjoying their "happy" life, while Maoists have to take primitive weapons to fight for their lives.
A bloody revolution is the ONLY solution to that country.
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- We should help these Maoist by open up Chinese weapons warehouses to them; sent them hundreds of millions AK47 and RPG, they will destroy Mother India from inside.
- .......... wait, do we want a powerful and successful Maoist Government inside India and making solid improvement to the average Indian? Hmmmmm, may be NOT! We surely don't want these Indian to get smarter and to unified under one single force.
- Better just armed the Indian Muslim, the Maoist, the Sikhs, the Untouchables.......; armed each and everyone of them as equal; so they will continue to fight aginast the Indian Government and against each other.
- Me think, Balkanization India into small tiny pieces is the bast of all cases; imagine, we have 50 or so tiny pieces of HinduStan, MuslimStan, SikhanStan, BudhaStan, RatEaterStan..................etc!
This is just lovely, me think is correct! Haaaaa! Haaaa!
Maoist victory is not China's interests. Maoists or communists are always nationalists. They grow from grassroots and are capable of organize a country orderly.
Beak northeastern India off is what China should do. People there are of our kind, and their independence movement deserve China's support. Unfortunately, Chinese government's moral is going down and is trying to close eyes before Indian government's killing in that areas.
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"" Beak northeastern India off is what China should do. ""
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lol.. Will wait for it,, lol
An old saying from Veda in Sanskrit
""Vinash kale vipareeth buddhi""
means that when one's doom approaches, then one's mind, one's intelligence works perversely..or when your days are near your brain stops working!
Me feel ,, in this century, China will be the Germany of WWII.. Low self esteem and inferiority complex is a deadly and explosive mixture,,
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there was a clip story on nbc news tonight where they visited the site
of the titanic with underwater robots.
and yesterday i happened to see news about china's underwater robot:
news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/photo/2010-08/27/c_13466236.htm
The file photo shows the submersible "Jiaolong" catching a sample of deep sea's living beings during one dive in the South China Sea in July of 2010. A China-made manned submersible, dubbed "Jiaolong" and designed to dive to a depth of 7,000 meters, had successfully reached 3,759 meters beneath the waves during a manned test, the Ministry of Science and Technology and the State Oceanic Administration (SOA) of China announced Thursday. It made China the fifth country, following the United States, France, Russia and Japan, to have the technologies for a manned dive to more than 3,500 meters below sea level. (Xinhua)
a year or so ago, there was a huge article about china's megaprojects in all kinds of fields:
biotech, pharmaceuticals, software, hardware, medical, social project...
literally there are Hundreds of these mega projects.. a mega project is similar to these:
- j-xx project
- supercomputer
- jumbo jet
- software projects
- nanotech
etcetc
china is still lagging behind japan in heavy industries, but in 15-20 yrs
it will have caught up with japan.
the one major problem china is facing is its air, which is not good.
they must solve this right away.
now, lets get to the topic, with hundreds of these megaprojects and tons
of funding, it will be extremely hard for india to catch up to china in
even 20 yrs.
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all these points are irrelevent, we still hold (hundreds of thousands of acres or even more) of chinese land which is giving chinese dictators diaherea.
when u get ur lands back which ur claiming that are urs(since chinese went from 1 slavery from other) then we will compete.
there is no competition between free people and slave people.
as it is said ......better to live in hell then serve in heaven.and china is no heaven.
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So China with all its advances in technology 239129302 trillion dollar GDP and amazing human potential still ****s its pants when it sees poor darky India holding onto literally 100's or thousands of square kilometers of supposedly chicom land! LOL!!
Some superpower. And you were planning to compete with America...
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all these points are irrelevent, we still hold (hundreds of thousands of acres or even more) of chinese land which is giving chinese dictators diaherea.
when u get ur lands back which ur claiming that are urs(since chinese went from 1 slavery from other) then we will compete.
there is no competition between free people and slave people.
as it is said ......better to live in hell then serve in heaven.and china is no heaven.
Mother India is certainly a Hell on Earth! Have you board any Indian Train lately? Somehow, you Indian have super-natural ability to stick to the side of moving trains! LOL
What does a train have to do with a war dragon? LOL!
Btw, the IN just received first of its upgraded Bears. Imagine what lies in store for any PLAN ship that decides to venture into the IOR during wartime..lol. Can't wait till the air-launched version of the Brahmos is operational..ha ha!
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Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.
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there is no competition between free people and slave people.
There should be no competition between a free people and commie-enslaved ones.
But a free people with poor human potential can still end up poorer than people crushed under a communist dictatorship.
Which is exactly why a free India is four times poorer than commie China. Democracy can't compensate for black skin and genetic inferiority of Indians.
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just to remind my indian friends that despite some frictions, china and india
are actually working towards being good neighbors
but as they say: good fences make good neighbors.
russia sent delegations too china to learn about its success with sez (speical econ zone)
and hope to do some russian versions back home.
there were also indian delegations to several cities in china to check
out the sez's with the same goals.
now tell me, why would china want to reject their visits??
of course not, as i said before, im also a biz person, so i look at india as abig
market,, u would be crazy to overlook a market that big.
i checked amazon, and this is the author's first book, definitely i will be
reading it, im curious as to how he got his research when he said on the video
about what china did at the very beginning by accmulating something.
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i checked amazon, and this is the author's first book, definitely i will be
reading it, im curious as to how he got his research when he said on the video
about what china did at the very beginning by accmulating something.
yeah comrade, dr. mahbubani is great.. i have seen quite a few of his interviews,
he is pro-asia and believe that asia can innovate and compete with the rest of the world.
the author could be like the ted turner of india?? so his views could be interesting,
he obviously wants to sell his books hahaa,, but maybe theres something different there.
lets see.
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yeah comrade, dr. mahbubani is great.. i have seen quite a few of his interviews,
he is pro-asia and believe that asia can innovate and compete with the rest of the world.
the author could be like the ted turner of india?? so his views could be interesting,
he obviously wants to sell his books hahaa,, but maybe theres something different there.
lets see.
- This Hindu from India did not say much new, for most of his information from this book are already known to all in China; and starting to catch up in the rest of the White World. In the case of Banana India, they been living in denial for so many years; all these Indian thinking this book is some God Sent messages ... etc.
- Also, these stupid Hindu thinks and classified India in the same light as China only showcase how much he does not know what he is barking about. Just watching his book opening, it already tell much about his stupid book; I would not spent my money on this elitist Hindu and reading his garbage while 600+ millions of his countryman living in dirty slum.
- If you want, wait until this stupid book is in your local Library and just read it for free; besides, the information contained inside his book is already outdated..... for China economy already shifting and changing as we speaking.
- These Hindu will forever playing catch up; and the GDP gaps are being widen not being close at all.
dragon, 95% of the books i read i borrow from tpl.
u r correct about the gdp gap will widen, as the internal consumption
will keep going higher, and china is investing all over the world
and exporting more hi-value, hi-tech products -- lower products are
being shifted to vietnam, indonesia, bangladesh, india... it was
actually good when i heard that tens of thousands of factories in
southern china were closed/affected by the recent world economic recession,,
it will make the owners shift directions to other higher-value products.
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""interesting video.
the author wants his book to be a best seller loool,
and to be a feel-good motivation for indian ppl, theres nothing wrong with that.
but lets see the facts.
the main and most important difference is the Form of gov.
if india keeps the same type/style of gov, there wont be much changes,
meanwhile china keeps changing its gov style year-by-year to make it ppl-friendly.
the next steps that are crucial:
- r&d centers
- number of ph.d's produced by major/good universities
- funding
whoever excel in these will win.
but the problem in india: when i read a major article last year about its edu,
specifically universities, it's lacking much behind china, in terms of # of ph.d's
graduates, # of papers published, # of patents, etc. ""
win what? who cares what they lag in...
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