Rafale: Dassault Aviation close to a deal in the UAE (THE TRIBUNE.FR)

A contract for the sale of 60 Rafale could be quickly announced in early March. Paris and Dassault Aviation have managed to turn the situation yet compromised during the Dubai Airshow.



Good news can lead to another .... It's only a coincidence with the entry into exclusive negotiations with New Delhi but Dassault Aviation would also close to agreement with the United Arab Emirates (UAE) for the sale of 60 Rafale. A visit of Nicolas Sarkozy had even been scheduled for 12 February in Abu Dhabi, but finally it was postponed "a few days," says one to "latribune.fr". Another source says that the trip was postponed in early March although some observers believe it would be a bit early. Rather "late March, early April".


The relationship between Dassault Aviation and Abu Dhabi, who had seriously degraded when the Dubai Air Show last November, are again looking good. Especially as the CEO of Dassault Aviation, Charles Edelstenne, who had taken a Falcon just days after the end of the Dubai Airshow, to put things flat with Abu Dhabi, was quickly able to reconnect with the Emirati authorities . Abu Dhabi had taken advantage of living Dubai Airshow, a nightmare for the French camp, to announce it in competition against the Rafale, the Eurofighter (BAE Systems, EADS and Italy's Finmeccanica) to the great surprise of the French. "Everything has been unlocked" between the UAE and Dassault Aviation, says to you "latribune.fr".

In recent days, the middle of the defense is a little levitation, spreading a very positive trend on the ongoing negotiations, "the record is very, very hot." "The good news is as trouble, they fly in flight. Here is the beginning of a squadron of good news", confessed Tuesday the defense minister, Gerard Longuet, without elaborating. "The Indian record will accelerate the UAE," says one to "latribune.fr".

There is still some technical sales points easy to remove. But nothing very serious. "This is a tactic to keep the negotiations warm," says one. Including the Rafale should be equipped with air-air missile Meteor long range but it will not have the motor 9 tons, two requirements of the UAE. However, France appears to have undertaken to include the 63 Mirage 2000-9. The new Libyan army could acquire all or part of this fleet.

Michel CABIROL

Text source: THE TRIBUNE.FR
http://www.theatrum-belli.com/archive/2012/02/04/rafale-dassault-aviation-proche-d-un-accord-aux-emirats-arab.html#more

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It looks like all the propaganda construct against the Rafale is crumbling down under a heavy dose of reality.

It surely will helps in the negotiations for the FX2 Brazilian Fighter program..

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A signature with India + Brazil + UAE (which should help to sign with Koweit and Qatar + certainly Lybia for the Mirage) is still not reality, so, let's stay on earth.

But should it become a reality

UAE and FRANCE deals conclude in march or even couple months later. Still i guess its going to take at least 8 to 10 months for indian and france deal to conclude because of TOT and local production issues. i am guessing pakistani pilots will be flying rafale fighter in UAE well before indian will be able smell their rafale. cheers

Well, I very much doubt Pakistanis mercenaries will fly UAE's flagships since UAE and India seem at the moment to be discussing the issue of their probable next acquisitions and synergies.

Besides, the main political reason in France for close cooperation with India is the containment of Pakistan, often regarded as "the most dangerous country in the World". That's why in my opinion ToT will be shaped in such way that India can quickly respond to a war situation (ie, ammunitions, servicing and upgrades of the aircraft).
Re-equilibration of the military balance with China is very much secondary. Nobody here believes China will threaten its flourishing worldwide commerce over a stupid conflict with India.

The UAE and Brazilian deals, should they happen, are strictly about money. The deal with India is about real military and diplomatic issues.

i am guessing pakistani pilots will be flying rafale fighter in UAE well before indian will be able smell their rafale.

And when they get back from deputation they will be flying F-7's and JF-17's..LOL!




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UAE and FRANCE deals conclude in march or even couple months later
That would be the fifth time the deal must be conclude

i am guessing pakistani pilots will be flying rafale fighter in UAE well before indian will be able smell their rafale.
Not sure, since UAE want a newer version of the RAfale while India will certainly stick (at first) to a closer version of the Rafale of the french AF.
For instance, the question of a more powerful radar + more functions will take some time.
In french forum, it is said that an emiratis Rafale will need 60 months for a production version versus 36 months for an Indian one (as I wrote before, if it;s close to ADA)


Well, I very much doubt Pakistanis mercenaries will fly UAE's flagships since UAE and India seem at the moment to be discussing the issue of their probable next acquisitions and synergies.
It's true that India may have some issue with the possibility of having pakistanis pilots flying UAE Rafale.
If the point is raised, the question would be to choose between an easy contract for 126 (option for 80 others) planes or a difficult one for 30 planes (option for 30 others).

The UAE and Brazilian deals, should they happen, are strictly about money. The deal with India is about real military and diplomatic issues.

Are you f*ck*ng kidding me ?
We have strategic partnership with India, UAE and Brazil.
Of course, it's reeally strategic with countries from BRICS

Well, I very much doubt Pakistanis mercenaries will fly UAE's flagships since UAE and India seem at the moment to be discussing the issue of their probable next acquisitions and synergies************

RE: an example people talking out of thier arses.... the americans had the same issue, and guess the Abu Dhabi government gave them passports.. so matter closed lol

the "emiratised" pakistanis will likely get thier hands on the French kite and get to know it as they did with the mirage 2000s.. in 1990s

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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the "emiratised" pakistanis will likely get thier hands on the French kite and get to know it as they did with the mirage 2000s.. in 1990s
As I wrote, what if India asked to avoid that ?

Are you f*ck*ng kidding me ?
We have strategic partnership with India, UAE and Brazil.
Of course, it's reeally strategic with countries from BRICS

My reasoning is this:
-Brazil has almost zero risk to go to war with anybody in its area. Hence, as of the foreseeable future, there is no major geopolitical challenge... and no need of "strategic" partnership.
-The main player in the middle-east area is... USA. Other forces are either small or too politically linked to the US. We may cultivate some kind of relationships with the UAE but certainly nothing major compared to the weight of the US.
-Over the Himalayas, India and China are independent big players and nobody can change that (except maybe the whole US carrier fleet). IMHO, a conflict between these two is unlikely unless through proxies. Pakistan is slowly but surely loosing US support and may have no other choice than to join the chinese sphere.
If there is a real strategic partnership to form (for France), it's with India. The pako-indian border is a suicide-bombing away from explosion... stuff will happen there!