Does anyone have any information about this image of a new rocket launcher by MKEK?



Information on caliber of projectiles, mass of warhead, length/weight of tube, different warheads (HEAT vs Thermobaric vs Shrapnel), progress of work... is much appreciated.

I ask because, from my perspective, the 3 MAJOR mistakes that western armies make when it comes to equipping infantry are:

1 - Black weapons (assault rifles) -> Not good for camo, you can see them much better than brown guns. Why are most guns black? To look cool?

2 - 5.56......... why? when you have a 7.62 why would you use a 5.56?

3 - No equivalent of RPG-7. The RPG-7 is an extremely practical, low-cost, lightweight, extremely hard hitting 84mm (and 105mm) rocket launcher than can be operated by a single person if needed (although 2 is optimal). It gives the infantryman unequaled power to change the course of battle. Even 1 well placed 84mm grenade cal destroy a tank track = mobility kill for a very low cost.
They are just beginning to fix this issue by introducing the Carl Gustav, but I still think the RPG-7 is more versatile (anyone who thinks otherwise, please express yourself).

For Turkey to develop improved RPG-7 with 105mm warhead as standard, better range, less back blast, lighter weight and lower cost and to widely distribute it to the troops, THAT'S A MUST, it will instantly DOUBLE squad-level effectiveness and firepower!!

1 - Black weapons (assault rifles) -> Not good for camo, you can see them much better than brown guns. Why are most guns black? To look cool?

They can put camo on the guns if they want. Snipers do it.

2 - 5.56......... why? when you have a 7.62 why would you use a 5.56?

5.56 weighs less so you can have more bullets.

3 - No equivalent of RPG-7. The RPG-7 is an extremely practical, low-cost, lightweight, extremely hard hitting 84mm (and 105mm) rocket launcher than can be operated by a single person if needed (although 2 is optimal). It gives the infantryman unequaled power to change the course of battle. Even 1 well placed 84mm grenade cal destroy a tank track = mobility kill for a very low cost.
They are just beginning to fix this issue by introducing the Carl Gustav, but I still think the RPG-7 is more versatile (anyone who thinks otherwise, please express yourself).

LASM
The Light Anti-Structures Missile (LASM) is an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR) which has been fielded to fill a capability gap until Anti-Structure Munition (ASM) comes into service.

The single-shot weapon consists of a free-flight unguided rocket that is housed within a disposable telescopic launcher. The mechanical 'pop-up' sight is integral to the weapon and deploys when the launcher is extended, in preparing it to fire.

The rocket consists of a warhead, fuze and propulsion unit. Spring-loaded fins deploy on firing to stabilise the rocket in flight. The rocket uses kinetic energy to penetrate structures before the warhead is allowed to detonate.

Range Approx. 500 m
Weight 4.3 kg
Length 0.775 m
Firing length 0.98 m
Preparation time 8 seconds



http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/support-weapons/1465.aspx

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They can put camo on the guns if they want. Snipers do it.
Why not just manufacture in brown? Really, why is it black? I'm curious. Vast majority of troops don't cover with camo.

5.56 weighs less so you can have more bullets.
You need more 5.56 to incapacitate someone.

LASM
The Light Anti-Structures Missile (LASM) is an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR) which has been fielded to fill a capability gap until Anti-Structure Munition (ASM) comes into service.

Uhmmm... not bad actually, my biggest complaint is that its single-shot, this is inconvenient in the field and costs more to produce (each thermal sight is used only once). Spring-loaded means it can be fired from enclosures, which is a big advantage. I wonder how many they are going to procure, and if it actually will be used effectively in the field.

(and how do I reply to a message rather than replying to my own?)

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LOL

You need more 5.56 to incapacitate someone.

You have fewer chances to hit them with 7.62. You've been shot with a 5.56 and felt ok after? That's impressive

Uhmmm... not bad actually, my biggest complaint is that its single-shot, this is inconvenient in the field and costs more to produce (each thermal sight is used only once). Spring-loaded means it can be fired from enclosures, which is a big advantage. I wonder how many they are going to procure, and if it actually will be used effectively in the field.

It doesn't have a thermal sight. It's just a rocket launcher, because the troops said they wanted a simple, light rocket launcher. Single shot probably isn't much of a concern as it's a simple weapon and it would be more practical to just carry two of them than carry one launcher and a reload. I think it's been very widely used by NATO forces (see link)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M72_LAW

You have fewer chances to hit them with 7.62.
True, never though about it that way. Are ballistics of 7.62 better at long ranges?

And now that you mention it, it has indeed seen wide use by NATO.
What is the advantage of rocket 'in-tube' design versus 'out-of-tube' design?
I would think that having a thinner tube (as in the RPG7) would improve weight and aiming.
Is there any advantage to putting the round in the tube (as in Carl Gustav)? It makes the tube larger and heavier (not by much tough).

Also, I really hope someone has some info on this Turkish rocket launcher. I hope its a project, not just a concept.

Also, whats the status of RPG7 use in the Turkish ground forces. How widely distributed is it? when was the last time Turkey ordered rounds for RPG7, are most rounds 84mm or 105mm in actual use?

(and can someone tell me how I reply to a message rather than replying to my own? I cant get text to appear in bold.)

Some guy just draw it . no tender , no official project . Someone just done as a hobby in the weekend or Holiday , I dunno. But is nothing official nor there is any demand for it. we got more than enough LAW (about 40k in wiki) and enough RPG's with ammunition coming free everyday.

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"No TT!!!! You'll only encourage more turks to post in here!! "

Seems you like the "no picture threads" which make 90% of Main-WAFF

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Turkey has no plans to develop new rocket propelled grenades. RPG-7 and LAW is enough, and we have them in the tens of thousands..

Smart anti-tank weapons however is another story.

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Griks In Despair

The M-72 fires 66mm rounds, RPG-7 can fire 105mm rounds. Huge difference.
M-72 66mm has penetration of 200mm Steel, 105mm RPG-7 has penetration of 750mm RHA.
A 105mm round can obliterate objects that the 66mm round cannot even penetrate. Heck, 105mm is a round that many small tanks use, imagine putting that in the hands of infantrymen.

I don't think what Turkey has is good enough, they should develop a low-cost, multi-use, shoulder launched 105mm rocket launcher with a range of 300m, that would be a big step forward.

Look , LAW and RPG aren't in use as an Antitank weapon on this century. ATGM's are the weapon to do the AT tasks . An there is a Local American Javelin like ATGM project. So no , there is no need to produce these kind of weapons anymore.

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I think I lightweight Recoilless Rifle for the squad level then ATGMs for higher is better. RCs are more multi role with less AT power. So I am going with 2 extremes.

Well - for cheap support there was something like this



Weight only 2 kg with granade

68 mm caliber

300 mm RHA penetration - enough for wrecking apc without reactive armor.

These are out of production now, but most were sent to afghanistan as light and cheap assault rocket lanucher.

Essentialy it was 80's made panzerfaust



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