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Bing Bang Scientist Jailed - Looney Defence Fails - Creationists Rejoice

May 4 2012 at 3:34 PM
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Jake Rialto  (Login jrialto)
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French CERN scientists jailed for plotting terror attacks

A Franco-Algerian nuclear physicist who worked at CERN, the site of the Large Hadron Collider, has been sentenced to five years in jail, for plotting terror attacks in France.

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Adlene Hicheur, a 35-year-old researcher studying the universe's birth the Big Bang at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN), was arrested in October 2009 after intercepting his emails.

His father embraced him in the Paris court room before he was taken away to serve his term in prison. Hicheur has already spent two-and-a-half years in jail while awaiting trial. One of the years was suspended.

Hicheur admitted at the start of his trial in late March that he was going through a "turbulent" time when he wrote the mails but denied he intended to carry out attacks.

During the trial, prosecutors focused on emails between Hicheur and an alleged al-Qaeda contact.

Hicheur told the court the emails were written while his "physical and psychological state" was impaired while he was on sick leave for a slipped disc.

Following Hicheur's arrest at his parents' home near CERN, the research institute which lies on the Franco-Swiss border northwest of Geneva, police discovered a trove of al-Qaeda and Islamist militant literature.

France's DCRI domestic intelligence agency's suspicions were raised after a statement from al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), the group's North African branch, was sent to President Nicolas Sarkozy's Elysee Palace in early 2008.

Following the message police carried out surveillance on several email accounts including Hicheur's and his exchanges with Mustapha Debchi, an alleged AQIM representative living in Algeria.

In the emails Hicheur suggested "possible objectives in Europe and particularly in France", mentioning for example a French military base at Cran-Gevrier, close to CERN.

Asked by Debchi if he was "prepared to work in a unit becoming active in France," Hicheur replied: "The answer is of course YES".

Magistrates investigating the case said the exchanges "crossed the line of simple debate of political or religious ideas to enter the sphere of terrorist violence."

They say the accused "knowingly agreed with Mustapha Debchi to set up an operational cell ready to carry out terrorist acts in Europe and in France."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9246045/French-CERN-scientist-jailed-for-plotting-terror-attacks.html


    
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May 4 2012, 4:20 PM 

This should be an evolutionnist plot; as Big bang and expansion of the universe are facts mentionned in the Book of God.

21:30
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"

51:47
"And the Universe, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it."


From Kuran, to Christians & Jews:
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May 4 2012, 4:55 PM 

I'm afraid I don't adhere to the texts in The Book.

Also, I believe the one unit of creation text in brackets is an interpretation that isn't actually in the original text, or ever implied.

 
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May 4 2012, 8:29 PM 

Human evolution has already been 'proven'. They've located the exact gene that became fused that allowed apes and humans to separate from our common ancestor.

No creationist, nor any other scientist has been able to refute it.

We can't prove the beginnings of life, but we can successfully prove where humans came from one stage backwards.

Nice try.

 
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May 4 2012, 8:47 PM 

^
There's no evolution, has never happened.
You use the classical tactic; trying to show similarity as "common ancestry" happy.gif
And it makes sense to you that we come from fishes.



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May 4 2012, 9:08 PM 

It's no similarity. It's the EXACT gene that has fused together.

All apes have 24 pairs. We have 23, with one pair that fused. They've found its exact location in the human genome and is one-hundred percent testable. Anyone can look it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL3CC5AE46A15551BA

Listen to him, he will explain it for you. Come back later to refute it. happy.gif

 
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May 4 2012, 9:21 PM 

Humans have been human; and apes have been ape; since the beginning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or9O2Offt0o

Evolutionists just build hoax; like forging monkey jawbone into human skull; or drawings relying on pig tooth etc..

Humans and apes are entirely different, in their genome, in their number of chromosomes, in the structure of their backbone etc etc..


Evolutionnists are talking about changes in a few millions of years..
Yet, historical evidences prove that even in HUNDREDS OF MILLION years, there's no evolution.

Like the 400 million years old Coelacanth, which is present today in nature too.
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Evolution is a wicked faith.
People don't see evolution, but keep believing.
Now it's over. Modern science is putting an end to any discussion.

Btw, don't forget Quantum Physics' principles: after all, all this material world is just an observation, perception. We don't even know if matter does exist outside; as there are just magnetical waves for us.

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May 4 2012, 9:58 PM 

I love the video btw: "they (evolutionary biologists) don't have the slightest bit of evidence that humans evolved"

Yep, and as stated you cannot refute the facts as I stated them. They've found the genes linking humans and apes to our common ancestor. It's in our DNA. There is no longer a discussion on the topic. It's be done.

Evolution is studied and tested every single day, by biologists and chemists, if there was any decent scientific PROOF that evolution wasn't an accepted theory like gravity, that person would be a multi-multi millionaire by now. The lord only knows how desparate creationists are to find that piece of evidence.

Yet it escapes them...Perhaps you all should pray harder?

 
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May 4 2012, 10:07 PM 

I should add that every day the evidence for evolution gets stronger. There ARE things they don't know, but the theory of evolution is now accepted as fact, it's just the details they are sorting through, like a jigsaw where you can see what the picture is, but don't have all the pieces together.

 
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May 4 2012, 10:12 PM 

happy.gif LOL, pray yourself to your demons, such as the troll in my sig.
So that they invent new lies, you can use as drugs.

Humans and animals show similarities, it's the case with apes too. Especially with apes.
Of course there are similarities in Dna too.

But only similarities. Nothin else.
Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes; apes 24.
This has never changed through their existence.

Evolution is biologically impossible:
http://www.icr.org/article/evolution-biologically-impossible/


There's just similarity, nothing else.
And evolution isn't theory like gravity, that's just a hypothesis.

All evolutionists can do is to ask (like Dawkins do), "Creationists, why do ostriches have wings?"
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May 4 2012, 10:28 PM 

You've confused whether evolution exists with how did life begin, two totally separate topics.

Humans are PROVEN to have evolved from a common ancestor since we share the EXACT genes as our cousins preceding the fusion of chromosome 13. Why would God put that fused chromosome in human DNA?

The beginning of all life is a totally different argument.

 
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May 4 2012, 10:43 PM 

We don't share "EXACTLY SAME DNA" with apes; that's +90%.

And what?
Our body (which is in fact not really "us" - as we're soul) shares also similarities with vegetables too (at much lower rate).

I'm not blind.
I see animals are in serie; and they do appear one after the other; finally the ape, later humans.

But what does Religion tells?

It tells that life isn't Heaven. It tells you that life is a test...
After which, you can be among the lucky minority, or the loser majority...
Religion tells you that there's a thin line separating faith in good (Creation, here) and faith in bad (evolution, here).


So, if you're intelligent...
Let's cogitate...
If everything is similar, but after all, people understand that we don't share common ancestry...
What is this supposed to mean?

It means that Religion is actually right and the test is magnificient.

And look at the result of 150 years of propaganda...
Actually, Dawkins shows us how we're similar after all...
But he can't show you 1 SINGLE evidence for "Evolution"..
happy.gif

Dawkins is turning fool (pretty much like Nietzsche happy.gif )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiVoS78lNqM

He believes in "alien-originated" life happy.gif

God be praised, for the magnificient balance!

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May 5 2012, 8:30 AM 

Yes you are blind.

Take Richard Dawkin's argument. He says, yes we could have been made. I will admit the same. But his argument is this. Whoever made us (Not the Jew, Christian or Islamic God btw), is not a God and they too will have evolved to reach an intelligence whereby they are able to craft us.

That's what he said.

As for DNA, I am saying that the FUSED GENE is, when it is unfused IS IDENTICAL to our cousins of the ape family. Hence, it shows that humans evolved away from the ancestor where apes evolved in a different way. This contradicts the Qu'ran, Bible and Torah.

It's funny, take a look at any Islamic teaching website and they tell you there is no connection between Apes and Humans...

IT'S BEEN FOUND.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

 
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May 5 2012, 8:43 AM 

Why are you debating a creationist about evolution? They have made up their minds. They always manage to mix up evolution and how life began. Actually, their entire argument is based on how life began, not on how it has come to pass.

The common arguments are, the complexity of life, the time required for evolution, the use of chance to determine how life evolved or was created.

What they can't do, is prove God exists.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

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May 5 2012, 11:48 AM 

I've looked at your link. He talks about a fusion and at the end he tells "it confirms our prediction of evolution; how would ID supporters could answer? telling, that's the way the Designer made it... I'm atheit roman catholic, I don't believe in a Designer who would fool us by doing this"
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He confirms my stance. That's a nother attempt to save the evolution hypothesis which is in agony.
Darwin tried by telling "survival of the fittest"; it didn't work. Later, they told "genetical mutations", it didn't work as they understood that it's impossible as well.
Now, another childish attempt.

This doesn't work.

By the way, I've a bad piece of news for you, the genetical gap between Humans and Chimps is getting wider happy.gif
First off, they told "similarity is 98.5%", now evolutionists decreased it up to "96%".

And what?
After all, we share similarities (5-10%) with vegetables too; after all, we're all made up of cells.

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And yeah!
the smalles particle of the cell is the protein and Dawkins admits it can't appear by chance.
In fact, that's because you need a mechanism, which is itself made up of proteins, to have proteins.
This really "kills" the evolution theory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKjHUpzQ8WY

What Dawkins pretends is utter stupidity.
He tells that aliens brought first proteins; and these aliens themselves appeared according to Darwinian principles! As if he had ever seen aliens!

Who would believe in this joke?

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May 5 2012, 1:33 PM 

Actually evolution is not just about humans but all the other species as well.
I think that evolution is considered a fact because we have so many proofs about
species being evolved from their ancestors and only brainwashed carper benders
deny it.

 
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May 5 2012, 1:48 PM 

@politicalgain, you are really wasting your time arguing with girsun. I had 4 long threads about this topic. He is severely indoctrinated in fairytale s and possibly a retard with the memory of a fish.

The creationist would lie, he would cheat and quote mine people like Dawkins. He would mention the protein case made by a creationist who got owned in court, no matter how much times you correct this Arab he would make he's false arguments.

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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
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May 5 2012, 1:53 PM 

^
You Marxist Kiro, LOL happy.gif

Creationists lie? Yes, it was Creationists who build hoax like Piltdown man, Tiktaalik, Homo Nebraska etc.. to "prove" evolution happy.gif


You guys, you've faith in this.
You don't see evolution, you can't prove through historical records (they tell the contrary in fact); yet you keep believing in evolution.
That's Naturalism. Dating back to Sumerian, Antique Egyptian times.

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May 5 2012, 2:01 PM 

Gursun im not here to waste my time with you again.

Fact is evolution is a scientific fact and is backed up by evidence. Science is not dogmatic, your fairy tales have nothing to do with fact thats why it is in conflict. Believe what you like, your so called holybook has scientific errors in the double digits.

If someone can prove evolution wrong (it is probably the most tried) then they would win a noble prize. Nothing is stopping them!!! for something to become a scientific fact it has to be tested and tried to be proven wrong. its part of the process.

religion is spiritual to a person whether its islam, Christianity, Buddhism, hindu or Zoroastrian. You have to have a leap of faith for them

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May 5 2012, 2:07 PM 

Actually, I won't post again all the fossils proving you no change. We did it in more than 400 messages.

Evolution is supported by most scientists; yes. Despite they can't prove you, they harshly believe.
They spend a great amount of energy to formulate again & again new hypothesis.

Like in the video the guy above posted, "I can't believe the Designer made this to make us fool!" happy.gif

pop corn in my hand & I'm watching with a smile (including to the moron in my sig).

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May 5 2012, 2:15 PM 

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Actually, I won't post again all the fossils proving you no change. We did it in more than 400 messages.
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the things you posted doesnt prove evolution is wrong. You take pics of adnan oktars book! this book has been laughed at!. Your youtube account just shows how retarded you are.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giresunstronghold

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Evolution is supported by most scientists; yes. Despite they can't prove you, they harshly believe.
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its not belief, its proven fact. unlike religion science is not a faith.
Why do you think no one could prove evolution wrong? most of the ID (creationists) think the earth is 6 thousand years old because it says so in there holy book. The sole argument you guys out through is
''evolution is wrong because our books say something else'' all the arguments against evolution have been debunked.



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pop corn in my hand & I'm watching with a smile (including to the moron in my sig).''
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the person you call a moron was a prof at oxford and is a very intelligent educated man. Your idol oktar or yahya is the joke of the world who has an art degree.

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May 5 2012, 2:23 PM 

Adnan Oktar or other sources, like ICR.

Here's an evolutionist scientist admitting they can "lie".

"Contrary to their public image, scientists are normal, flawed human beings.They are as capable of prejudice, covetousness, pride, deceitfulness, etc., as anyone."

David Weatherall, "Conduct Unbecoming," American Scientist (vol. 93, January-February 2005), p. 73.


that fits exactly the red-faced moron in my sig!

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May 5 2012, 2:31 PM 


''''
Adnan Oktar or other sources, like ICR.
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adnan oktar is a joke who believes himself to be a messiah, he has no credibility just a crazy yobaz with an arts degree trying to play biologist (failed).
ICR a joke too with the homepage saying ''bible is accurate and certain. they believe the earth is 6 thousand years old and people hang out with dino's, they're nutjobs, i clocked on there evidence page and found bible scripture and rubbish statements titled ''science and fact''.

You know you look ridiculous right?


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"Contrary to their public image, scientists are normal, flawed human beings.They are as capable of prejudice, covetousness, pride, deceitfulness, etc., as anyone."

David Weatherall, "Conduct Unbecoming," American Scientist (vol. 93, January-February 2005), p. 73.
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who said otherwise? they're huamns too, science when it comes to fact has to test it and duplicate the data. Evolution is no lie. If it can be proven it would of been proven and someone can still try to prove it wrong but right now no one has been able to.
BTW David Weatherall knows evolution is fact.

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that fits exactly the red-faced moron in my sig!
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He is in no shape a moron, search the word moron and you would see it fits adnan oktar better.
my sig is for you

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May 5 2012, 2:48 PM 

"You don't see evolution, you can't prove through historical records "

You don`t "see" evolution and certainly history has nothing to do with evolution.
But scientists have used dna and several models to analyse the ancestors of various
species and PROVED that evolution is a fact, all specied tend to hav evolution in order
to survive in a dangerous environment that changes all the time.

 
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May 5 2012, 3:35 PM 

But scientists have used dna and several models to analyse the ancestors of various
species and PROVED that evolution is a fact, all specied tend to hav evolution in order
to survive in a dangerous environment that changes all the time.
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Wow! adapting environment has been dropped by even evolutionists. That seems too much classic darwinism, even Lamarckism.
Stalin had the same mentality. He banned genetics in Ussr; and ordered to put crop seeds in cold water, before sowing them in Siberia... With the hope that "environmental adaptation" will have them ready for Siberian climate...
Mao followed the same example happy.gif
The result has been astonishing; tens of millions villagers dying of starvation!

LOL.
happy.gif You need to adapt your mind to the 21st century.

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May 8 2012, 3:56 PM 

the funy thing about creationists is that they don't seem to realise that they started their life as a single cell that evolved into a human being in only 9 months.

The mechasism of life is based on evolution which is a concequence of mutations and natural selection.
Evolution is proven, we know how it works and are able to test and reproduce its mechanisms. There is no need to argue with people who are just interested in dismissing the truth because it doesn't suit their agenda. That kind of obscurentism is an insult to today's humanity intelligence and knowledge.


    
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the funy thing about creationists is that they don't seem to realise that they started their life as a single cell that evolved into a human being in only 9 months.
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Yes, and that's actually a wonder of creation. You see ppl being tall, like basketball players, and they come from one single cell. That's a miracle actually.


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The mechasism of life is based on evolution which is a concequence of mutations and natural selection.
Evolution is proven, we know how it works and are able to test and reproduce its mechanisms. There is no need to argue with people who are just interested in dismissing the truth because it doesn't suit their agenda. That kind of obscurentism is an insult to today's humanity intelligence and knowledge.
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No it's not.
They first told natural selection; then it failed with the genetical works of Mendel.
Later they told mutations, they understood it's impossible too.

So, there's no evolutionnary mechanism.
And when you look at species, you see no change. Which is actually interesting, because yes, normally the offspring must change in hundreds of million years (like Coealacanth), but it doesn't change.


It's over with stupidities in my sig happy.gif



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May 8 2012, 5:49 PM 

we have a fine specimen of a creationist here. As you can see by his post above me that he has no idea what evolution is, not a slightest clue. To finish of his sentence he even quoted adnan oktar.

Funny thing all creationists have been owned, even in civil courts.



Understanding evolution is critical for understanding biology. As the preeminent scientist
Theodosius Dobzhansky stated, Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of
evolution. Evolution is the only scientific explanation for the diversity of life. It explains the
striking similarities among vastly different forms of life, the changes that occur within
populations, and the development of new life forms. Excluding evolution from the science
curricula or compromising its treatment deprives students of this fundamental and unifying
scientific concept to explain the natural world.

also without evolution say good bye to modern medicine. nice little read for you. http://www.faseb.org/portals/0/pdfs/opa/Why%20is%20it%20important%20to%20teach%20evolution.pdf

the sad reality is Turkey is a victim of inbred religious people. Only 25% of the public accepts evolution and teachers are attacked when taught evolution. Ironically all the best biologists in Turkey accept evolution, No creationist student ever becomes a great scientists because she understands nothing and cant achieve anything in the subject in the future.

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Re: Bing Bang Scientist Jailed - Looney Defence Fails - Creationists Rejoice

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May 8 2012, 5:55 PM 

^ no,

only 15% of ppl in Turkey believe in Evolution (some of them believe also in God, but "creation thru evolution" they tell).

85% of Turkey believes in Creation and rejects evolution.

result of survey:
http://smgconnected.com/2011-turkiye-degerler-arastirmasi

That's decreasing.
At the end of 1970's, when Marxism was strong, and the truth about evolution hypothesis was unknown, the percetange was like 40% (evolution) to 60%.

See today happy.gif

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Re: Bing Bang Scientist Jailed - Looney Defence Fails - Creationists Rejoice

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May 8 2012, 6:10 PM 

the poll ws not set properly. it was set as

which do you believe

1. god created everything
2. evolution

lots of people who accept evolution believe God set evolution, so the poll is stupid. I got the 25% number from Aykut Kence (middle east technical uni)

On the whole poll i have to say im disappointed, it is proof how Turkey is full of idiots (not only in education) the society is pretty much fked up. Turkey needs a dictator to reform education to proper standards, castrate all the inbred idiots so they dont pass on their genes and we are set.

This is why democracy doesnt work. A countries majority is always full of morons (especially developing countries), they would always vote ina dumb way, dub votes in dumb and the country gets dumber, Media has to entertain the morons and the smart people are left out and have to move from the idiocracy.

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May 8 2012, 8:12 PM 

What i can't get my head around is that whilst creationists point out 'holes' or what i see as areas where we need to refine the theory in the theory of evolution they don't actually present any compelling scientific evidence for creationism. Perhaps one of its advocates can show me some evidence that supports their theories further than saying evolution maybe wrong so therefore this is the only alternative because its written in a religious text.

Surely if you're going to present a rival theory to wonderfully eloquent solution presented by Darwin and his successors it should be based on the evidence you've collected to support it?

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Re: Bing Bang Scientist Jailed - Looney Defence Fails - Creationists Rejoice

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May 8 2012, 8:19 PM 

God is a funny old geezer. He could have explained chemistry, physics or mathematics in his grand old book, stuff we wouldn't know for centuries...instead, he just threatens (Qu'ran) or writes crap stories (Bible).

 
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May 8 2012, 9:40 PM 

What i can't get my head around is that whilst creationists point out 'holes'
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happy.gif If there were only "holes", there wouldn't be anything to discuss; because then, evolution would have truly become a theory, like gravity.

The matter is... the evolution is wholly a hole happy.gif

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May 8 2012, 9:48 PM 

evolution would have truly become a theory, like gravity.''
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errm it is.

theory
A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

many creationists try to say theory is an assumption but in science theory is the definition i have posted above.


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May 8 2012, 10:20 PM 

It's like I stated before. They know where our ancestors DNA fused to create the Homosapien. Therefore, the DNA changed to separate us from other ape ancestors.

Is that not evolution? If it's not the case, what exactly is it? I'd love our creationist friends to actually tell us what it is evolutionists think they've found.

 
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May 8 2012, 10:30 PM 

There are still people denying evolution?

And what the hell does this have anything to do with yet another turd going the terrorist way?

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