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Bing Bang Scientist Jailed - Looney Defence Fails - Creationists Rejoice

May 4 2012 at 3:34 PM
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Jake Rialto  (Login jrialto)
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French CERN scientists jailed for plotting terror attacks

A Franco-Algerian nuclear physicist who worked at CERN, the site of the Large Hadron Collider, has been sentenced to five years in jail, for plotting terror attacks in France.

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Adlene Hicheur, a 35-year-old researcher studying the universe's birth the Big Bang at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN), was arrested in October 2009 after intercepting his emails.

His father embraced him in the Paris court room before he was taken away to serve his term in prison. Hicheur has already spent two-and-a-half years in jail while awaiting trial. One of the years was suspended.

Hicheur admitted at the start of his trial in late March that he was going through a "turbulent" time when he wrote the mails but denied he intended to carry out attacks.

During the trial, prosecutors focused on emails between Hicheur and an alleged al-Qaeda contact.

Hicheur told the court the emails were written while his "physical and psychological state" was impaired while he was on sick leave for a slipped disc.

Following Hicheur's arrest at his parents' home near CERN, the research institute which lies on the Franco-Swiss border northwest of Geneva, police discovered a trove of al-Qaeda and Islamist militant literature.

France's DCRI domestic intelligence agency's suspicions were raised after a statement from al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), the group's North African branch, was sent to President Nicolas Sarkozy's Elysee Palace in early 2008.

Following the message police carried out surveillance on several email accounts including Hicheur's and his exchanges with Mustapha Debchi, an alleged AQIM representative living in Algeria.

In the emails Hicheur suggested "possible objectives in Europe and particularly in France", mentioning for example a French military base at Cran-Gevrier, close to CERN.

Asked by Debchi if he was "prepared to work in a unit becoming active in France," Hicheur replied: "The answer is of course YES".

Magistrates investigating the case said the exchanges "crossed the line of simple debate of political or religious ideas to enter the sphere of terrorist violence."

They say the accused "knowingly agreed with Mustapha Debchi to set up an operational cell ready to carry out terrorist acts in Europe and in France."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9246045/French-CERN-scientist-jailed-for-plotting-terror-attacks.html


    
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Re: Bing Bang Scientist Jailed - Looney Defence Fails - Creationists Rejoice

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May 4 2012, 4:20 PM 

This should be an evolutionnist plot; as Big bang and expansion of the universe are facts mentionned in the Book of God.

21:30
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"

51:47
"And the Universe, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it."


From Kuran, to Christians & Jews:
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May 4 2012, 4:55 PM 

I'm afraid I don't adhere to the texts in The Book.

Also, I believe the one unit of creation text in brackets is an interpretation that isn't actually in the original text, or ever implied.

 
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May 4 2012, 8:29 PM 

Human evolution has already been 'proven'. They've located the exact gene that became fused that allowed apes and humans to separate from our common ancestor.

No creationist, nor any other scientist has been able to refute it.

We can't prove the beginnings of life, but we can successfully prove where humans came from one stage backwards.

Nice try.

 
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May 4 2012, 8:47 PM 

^
There's no evolution, has never happened.
You use the classical tactic; trying to show similarity as "common ancestry" happy.gif
And it makes sense to you that we come from fishes.



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May 4 2012, 9:08 PM 

It's no similarity. It's the EXACT gene that has fused together.

All apes have 24 pairs. We have 23, with one pair that fused. They've found its exact location in the human genome and is one-hundred percent testable. Anyone can look it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL3CC5AE46A15551BA

Listen to him, he will explain it for you. Come back later to refute it. happy.gif

 
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May 4 2012, 9:21 PM 

Humans have been human; and apes have been ape; since the beginning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or9O2Offt0o

Evolutionists just build hoax; like forging monkey jawbone into human skull; or drawings relying on pig tooth etc..

Humans and apes are entirely different, in their genome, in their number of chromosomes, in the structure of their backbone etc etc..


Evolutionnists are talking about changes in a few millions of years..
Yet, historical evidences prove that even in HUNDREDS OF MILLION years, there's no evolution.

Like the 400 million years old Coelacanth, which is present today in nature too.
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Evolution is a wicked faith.
People don't see evolution, but keep believing.
Now it's over. Modern science is putting an end to any discussion.

Btw, don't forget Quantum Physics' principles: after all, all this material world is just an observation, perception. We don't even know if matter does exist outside; as there are just magnetical waves for us.

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May 4 2012, 9:58 PM 

I love the video btw: "they (evolutionary biologists) don't have the slightest bit of evidence that humans evolved"

Yep, and as stated you cannot refute the facts as I stated them. They've found the genes linking humans and apes to our common ancestor. It's in our DNA. There is no longer a discussion on the topic. It's be done.

Evolution is studied and tested every single day, by biologists and chemists, if there was any decent scientific PROOF that evolution wasn't an accepted theory like gravity, that person would be a multi-multi millionaire by now. The lord only knows how desparate creationists are to find that piece of evidence.

Yet it escapes them...Perhaps you all should pray harder?

 
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May 4 2012, 10:07 PM 

I should add that every day the evidence for evolution gets stronger. There ARE things they don't know, but the theory of evolution is now accepted as fact, it's just the details they are sorting through, like a jigsaw where you can see what the picture is, but don't have all the pieces together.

 
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May 4 2012, 10:12 PM 

happy.gif LOL, pray yourself to your demons, such as the troll in my sig.
So that they invent new lies, you can use as drugs.

Humans and animals show similarities, it's the case with apes too. Especially with apes.
Of course there are similarities in Dna too.

But only similarities. Nothin else.
Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes; apes 24.
This has never changed through their existence.

Evolution is biologically impossible:
http://www.icr.org/article/evolution-biologically-impossible/


There's just similarity, nothing else.
And evolution isn't theory like gravity, that's just a hypothesis.

All evolutionists can do is to ask (like Dawkins do), "Creationists, why do ostriches have wings?"
...

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May 4 2012, 10:28 PM 

You've confused whether evolution exists with how did life begin, two totally separate topics.

Humans are PROVEN to have evolved from a common ancestor since we share the EXACT genes as our cousins preceding the fusion of chromosome 13. Why would God put that fused chromosome in human DNA?

The beginning of all life is a totally different argument.

 
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May 4 2012, 10:43 PM 

We don't share "EXACTLY SAME DNA" with apes; that's +90%.

And what?
Our body (which is in fact not really "us" - as we're soul) shares also similarities with vegetables too (at much lower rate).

I'm not blind.
I see animals are in serie; and they do appear one after the other; finally the ape, later humans.

But what does Religion tells?

It tells that life isn't Heaven. It tells you that life is a test...
After which, you can be among the lucky minority, or the loser majority...
Religion tells you that there's a thin line separating faith in good (Creation, here) and faith in bad (evolution, here).


So, if you're intelligent...
Let's cogitate...
If everything is similar, but after all, people understand that we don't share common ancestry...
What is this supposed to mean?

It means that Religion is actually right and the test is magnificient.

And look at the result of 150 years of propaganda...
Actually, Dawkins shows us how we're similar after all...
But he can't show you 1 SINGLE evidence for "Evolution"..
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Dawkins is turning fool (pretty much like Nietzsche happy.gif )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiVoS78lNqM

He believes in "alien-originated" life happy.gif

God be praised, for the magnificient balance!

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May 5 2012, 8:30 AM 

Yes you are blind.

Take Richard Dawkin's argument. He says, yes we could have been made. I will admit the same. But his argument is this. Whoever made us (Not the Jew, Christian or Islamic God btw), is not a God and they too will have evolved to reach an intelligence whereby they are able to craft us.

That's what he said.

As for DNA, I am saying that the FUSED GENE is, when it is unfused IS IDENTICAL to our cousins of the ape family. Hence, it shows that humans evolved away from the ancestor where apes evolved in a different way. This contradicts the Qu'ran, Bible and Torah.

It's funny, take a look at any Islamic teaching website and they tell you there is no connection between Apes and Humans...

IT'S BEEN FOUND.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

 
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May 5 2012, 8:43 AM 

Why are you debating a creationist about evolution? They have made up their minds. They always manage to mix up evolution and how life began. Actually, their entire argument is based on how life began, not on how it has come to pass.

The common arguments are, the complexity of life, the time required for evolution, the use of chance to determine how life evolved or was created.

What they can't do, is prove God exists.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

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May 5 2012, 11:48 AM 

I've looked at your link. He talks about a fusion and at the end he tells "it confirms our prediction of evolution; how would ID supporters could answer? telling, that's the way the Designer made it... I'm atheit roman catholic, I don't believe in a Designer who would fool us by doing this"
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He confirms my stance. That's a nother attempt to save the evolution hypothesis which is in agony.
Darwin tried by telling "survival of the fittest"; it didn't work. Later, they told "genetical mutations", it didn't work as they understood that it's impossible as well.
Now, another childish attempt.

This doesn't work.

By the way, I've a bad piece of news for you, the genetical gap between Humans and Chimps is getting wider happy.gif
First off, they told "similarity is 98.5%", now evolutionists decreased it up to "96%".

And what?
After all, we share similarities (5-10%) with vegetables too; after all, we're all made up of cells.

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And yeah!
the smalles particle of the cell is the protein and Dawkins admits it can't appear by chance.
In fact, that's because you need a mechanism, which is itself made up of proteins, to have proteins.
This really "kills" the evolution theory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKjHUpzQ8WY

What Dawkins pretends is utter stupidity.
He tells that aliens brought first proteins; and these aliens themselves appeared according to Darwinian principles! As if he had ever seen aliens!

Who would believe in this joke?

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May 5 2012, 1:33 PM 

Actually evolution is not just about humans but all the other species as well.
I think that evolution is considered a fact because we have so many proofs about
species being evolved from their ancestors and only brainwashed carper benders
deny it.

 
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May 5 2012, 1:48 PM 

@politicalgain, you are really wasting your time arguing with girsun. I had 4 long threads about this topic. He is severely indoctrinated in fairytale s and possibly a retard with the memory of a fish.

The creationist would lie, he would cheat and quote mine people like Dawkins. He would mention the protein case made by a creationist who got owned in court, no matter how much times you correct this Arab he would make he's false arguments.

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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
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May 5 2012, 1:53 PM 

^
You Marxist Kiro, LOL happy.gif

Creationists lie? Yes, it was Creationists who build hoax like Piltdown man, Tiktaalik, Homo Nebraska etc.. to "prove" evolution happy.gif


You guys, you've faith in this.
You don't see evolution, you can't prove through historical records (they tell the contrary in fact); yet you keep believing in evolution.
That's Naturalism. Dating back to Sumerian, Antique Egyptian times.

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"dogs jump into the sea and become whales" happy.gif

 
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May 5 2012, 2:01 PM 

Gursun im not here to waste my time with you again.

Fact is evolution is a scientific fact and is backed up by evidence. Science is not dogmatic, your fairy tales have nothing to do with fact thats why it is in conflict. Believe what you like, your so called holybook has scientific errors in the double digits.

If someone can prove evolution wrong (it is probably the most tried) then they would win a noble prize. Nothing is stopping them!!! for something to become a scientific fact it has to be tested and tried to be proven wrong. its part of the process.

religion is spiritual to a person whether its islam, Christianity, Buddhism, hindu or Zoroastrian. You have to have a leap of faith for them

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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
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May 5 2012, 2:07 PM 

Actually, I won't post again all the fossils proving you no change. We did it in more than 400 messages.

Evolution is supported by most scientists; yes. Despite they can't prove you, they harshly believe.
They spend a great amount of energy to formulate again & again new hypothesis.

Like in the video the guy above posted, "I can't believe the Designer made this to make us fool!" happy.gif

pop corn in my hand & I'm watching with a smile (including to the moron in my sig).

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