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Bin Laden died of natural causes: Former CIA agent

May 19 2012 at 9:55 PM
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A former agent of the CIA has revealed that al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has died of natural causes five years before the US announced his death.


In an interview with Russias Channel One, Berkan Yashar, who is also a Turkish politician, said the US has not killed the al-Qaeda leader.

In September of 1992, I was in Chechnya, thats when I first met the man whose name was Bin Laden. This meeting took place in a two-story house in the city of Grozny; on the top floor was a family of Gamsakhurdia, the Georgian president, who then was kicked out of his country. We met on the bottom floor; Osama lived in the same building, Yashar said.

According to the former CIA agent, he personally knew Bin Ladens three Chechen bodyguards, who had protected him until his death and witnessed his death on June 26, 2006.

Even if the entire world believed, I could not possibly believe it, Yashar said. I personally know the Chechens who protected him, they are Sami, Mahmood, and Ayub, and they were with him until the very end.

Only three Chechens buried him, according to his will in the mountains on the Pakistan-Afghan border, he said.

Yashar added that the CIA abducted one of the bodyguards, Sami, before the announced killing of Bin Laden last year.

He says the bodyguard disclosed to the US the exact place of burial in the mountains.

There was no assault. I know the American operations from the inside: they find the grave, dig out bin Laden and tell everyone about this. They need to show how technologically the security services worked, how each step was controlled, and then present it as a great victory to show that taxpayers are not paying taxes for nothing, he said.

Washington announced on May 2, 2011 that Bin Laden was killed by US forces in his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

The lack of transparency over bin Laden's death has cast further doubt over the announcement.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/05/19/242057/osama-bin-laden-died-of-natural-causes/



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May 19 2012, 11:51 PM 

Pakistani Intelligence said he was not in Pakistan. Who would you believe. Liar 1 or Liar 2?

 
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May 20 2012, 12:16 AM 

That Turkish infidel weasel might just know alittle more. From the within organisation of CIA. Bin Ladens death is even more hilarious than 9/11. Come on..anyone with a good set of brains knows this is all bullcrap.



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May 20 2012, 12:43 AM 

CIA recruits,it sets up connections and is within all kinds of nations being really active in general. And by that I am trying to say that you can't rule out that some people might know a little more. There is history of CIA being involved in sectarian violence between religiouse sects in Iraq and the caught Jundullah leader who spilled out the beans of American support before the dude was executed.



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May 20 2012, 8:26 AM 

one thing is for sure if the Americans really did kill him he would have paraded his body just like Saddam Hussian or his sons.... the fact is they gave us story which says oh ya we killed him but we CAN'T share any photos, ....PS we dumped his body into the sea.... how convienent ... really !!!!

one has to be a real fool just to believe what americans are telling is the truth.







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May 21 2012, 6:25 PM 

Come on Provost, even you must have had that thought at the back of your head when they disposed of the body without showing anyone, "lost" the documents pertaining to the raid, and had a court order no information regarding the death be released? Hardly the transparent government Obama campaigned on.. wink.gif

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May 21 2012, 6:36 PM 

There's a bit of a stretch betwixt lack of transparency and failure to disclose to this silly tinfoil hat stuff. Had I been President, I would have shown the photos. Of course, then we'd get these same yo yos talk about the abuse of Muslim dead. My position is they're going to piss and moan no matter what the US does. I don't really trust the government either, but this conspiracy stuff must be based on something more than speculation.


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May 21 2012, 6:48 PM 

Who cares about potential "abuse of Muslim dead" comments. It didn't stop the US government from showing pics of Saddams dead sons.

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May 21 2012, 6:56 PM 

Actually not showing his body was the mist logical and natural thing.

The elephant in the room is that he may well have been captured unharmed or injured. That definitely would have been better than outright killing him as he could have been interrogated and as such it would have been a goal of the operation. If that is in fact what happened then Americans would never have admitted it as it would have created a very obvious target for reprisal. Al-Qudea would have gone for kidnapping and trying to exchange people for him.
He then could be executed anytime after the interrogations were finished and by dumping him in the sea in an undisclosed location, there is no proof of anything done to him, again a useful goal.

Secondly suppose he was killed outright, a lot of people including some of this forum members (who shall remain nameless wink.gif ), claimed and were absolutely sure that he was not killed and he wasn't even there. This useless debate and uncertainty gave American administration time to evaluate the mood in both countries and play their hand properly without too much emphasis on deliberate acts by elements in government of Pakistan and instead deflected it to simple incompetence in that government.

I personally thought they played their hand quite well actually


    
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May 21 2012, 7:26 PM 

Now, Fariborz, there is a conspiracy theory I can get into. The evil US government captures him, rather than kill him, and keep him for interrogation, reading him Miranda, etc., etc., etc. I like it. That's devious and worthy of the conspiracy guys.

By the for y'all that believe that OBL died of natural causes years ago, who were the women and children, claiming to be kin of OBL, that our Pakistani friends just expelled?


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May 21 2012, 7:27 PM 

Actually there is no sense whatsoever in not showing the photographs of bin laden dead, fact is not what US ********* but what can be proved. They creat the enemy and then they ambush in the name of peace. The terror only has benefited USA to date and maybe its goons


    
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[who were the women and children, claiming to be kin of OBL, that our Pakistani friends just expelled?]

-Excellent question! Who WERE these women? Anyone have names? (And Bin Ladens daughter doesn't count. The Bin Laden family has a long history of going along with, and making deals with, the US government, but that's insinuating there is a conspiracy, which I am not of course wink.gif )

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May 22 2012, 3:35 AM 

every body seem to missed the basic question, if for the sake of arguement lets say they did kill OBL.. why didnt they want him alive?

he certainly wasnt guarded at all not even in close quarters with his die hard body guards... that raises another question where were his body guards??..... there was hardly any resistence to note of v 40 commandos...who could have taken him alive.


certainly OBL is no worse than those NAZIS in WW2 who did far more crimes and yet even they received a trial.... so yes provost you americans may willy nilly follow what your government institutions may say with out much thinking or sceptism but the rest of the world doesnt buy it given your track record.

The lies keep on coming.. first US stated that the raid was from Afganistan but now we know it was from a Pakistani Airbase (Shamsi) in Baluchistan..which pakistan had leased to UAE and inturn it had given it to the americans...

Besides if really all of this was true US would have gone to the UN and decleared Pakistan a terrorist country and imposed sanctions... but none of that really happened did it?...





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May 22 2012, 2:38 PM 

Frankly, since the current administration's policy is no coercive interrogation AND providing all of the US Constitutional protections afforded to defendants, there's no point in taking live prisoners. Because SEALs aren't cops, they'd probably not gotten a search warrant, etc and the evidence would have been suppressed so the next best thing is to treat him as an unlawful combatant and summarily execute him.


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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

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May 22 2012, 2:41 PM 

OBL wasn't an American citizen, so the rights granted under the constitution do not apply to him. Anwar al-Awlaki on the other hand, is a different story..

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May 22 2012, 3:59 PM 

Not "entitled to," E, but extended to. Even under the military tribunal system iin place, they are extending constitutional protections. That's idiotic, but happening.


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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.
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May 23 2012, 11:51 AM 

Frankly, since the current administration's policy is no coercive interrogation AND providing all of the US Constitutional protections afforded to defendants, there's no point in taking live prisoners. Because SEALs aren't cops, they'd probably not gotten a search warrant, etc and the evidence would have been suppressed so the next best thing is to treat him as an unlawful combatant and summarily execute him.
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RE: that is a complete bunch of non sense.....

and your military didnt for minute want to extact any information from him?.... it seems you wanted him dead no matter what and just feeds the general perception OBL might have reveal plenty of "dirt" on the USA.. after he was at one time a CIA asset.

either way nice drama at the Abbotabad....you fooled alot of people



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May 23 2012, 12:18 PM 

"he certainly wasnt guarded at all not even in close quarters with his die hard body guards..."

So the armed men observed prior to the raid in that compound (you know the one where the American helicopter was found the next morning) were...his gardener? His 'urinal jockey'...err, sorry janitor?

"The lies keep on coming.. first US stated that the raid was from Afganistan but now we know it was from a Pakistani Airbase (Shamsi) in Baluchistan..which pakistan had leased to UAE and inturn it had given it to the americans... "

...indeed the lies do keep coming Prado, and almost always from you.

Shamsi airbase is hundreds of kilometers further away from Abbottabad than Jalalabad is (Shamsi is in the south of Pakistan while Abottabad is in north...just in case you never looked at a map of Pakistan before making up such lies), thereby putting it well out of range for any helicopter without several stops for refuelling.

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...nice self-ownage there buddy.


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