Islam is on rise in Turkey as is anti-americanism. Like Pakiland, Turkey is majority muslim. Both are official allies. (Nato, former Cento/ceato and MNNA). Both have military playing large role in society and govt as well as past dictatorship. Recently turkey tried to stop EU from joining Nato summit(WTF!). Both are anti-israel. Both think (turkey more recently) that they should be leader of muslim ummha countries. On a lighter note, people from both countries think they are born fighters against infidels. Turkey is going through an economic growth and rise of islam just like Pakiland in 80s when islam was getting institutionalized into Paki all walks of life with an economic growth.

It won't be long before the mercurial Tayyip Erdo changes face or someone more islamist replaces him and becomes openly anti-american. Is turkey the future Pakiland for America?

Here some anti americanism in turkey.
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A Turkish Army website as a source of anti-Americanism in Turkey

When WikiLeaks posted US diplomatic cables, people had the chance to find out what exactly US diplomats had reported about specific countries and certain issues within these countries.


A website belonging to the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK), irtica.org, provided us with insider information about how the Turkish military thinks on certain issues. The most striking part of Turkish generals hidden agenda is to feed an anti-Americanism campaign in Turkey. The information posted on the website can even be considered to have crossed the line by appearing more like a hate crime against Americans.

http://www.todayszaman.com/columnistDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=252728

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Anti-Americanism in the Turkish press
March 27, 2012

The meeting earlier this week between Recep Tayyip Erdoan and Barack Obama at the nuclear summit in Seoul afforded the Turkish press with a golden opportunity to engage once more in the popular national pastime of gleeful America-bashing. From liberal to conservative, secular to religious, left to right, marginal to mainstream, knee-jerk anti-Americanism seems hard-wired into all strands of political opinion in Turkey. In such a fractious political landscape, it could well be one of the only things that all sides can agree on.

http://armstrongwilliam.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/anti-americanism-in-the-turkish-press/

// Both are anti-israel. //

Turkey is so anti-Israel that, under Erdogan's government, trade between the two countries has risen 135%.

Ive been to turkey about 10 times..and yes gone off the tourist trail.

It is a muslim country yes, but ... it also feels secular to me if that makes sense?

Love the place, and the people and never experienced hostility as a westerner.

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Twenty years ago, if someone had told you that: there would be no Iron Curtain, WARPAC would be in the EEC (and winning Eurovision), extremists would be blowing themselves up on the London Underground, the British Army would be fighting in Afghanistan (again), that a Labour government would be in power for over a decade, that it would introduce ID Cards, a DNA database, a CCTV camera on every street corner. That the police would look like the Federation troopers off Blake's 7, that we would have a multi-layered and largely inept law enforcement system that is seemingly powerless to enforce the law to the lawless, but uses its myriad powers with great effect to the largely law-abiding - and that the law-abiding are increasingly alienated of consequence....

... That we have children who are institutionally uneducated almost by design, that you can be prosecuted for leaving your bin out on the wrong day - or putting the wrong rubbish in it, that local councils share the same powers as MI5, that any land you own can be 'bought' by the state and handed over to gypsies, so as to meet targets required by laws laid down in another country; that criminals and terrorists will have more rights than you - and that a veritable army of lawyers will vigorously (and perversely) enforce them at your expense; that the country will be absorbed in to a European federal superstate with its own currency - and done so without the democratic consent of the electorate, well... would you have believed them?

Don't come to our country Americans, we will eat you raaawwrrr

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I'm not like everybody else

lol a hindu accusing us of back stabing....look who is talking

PS for the record US has a history of backstabing

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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I have been to 7 muslim countries and the only decent ones were turkey and UAE. and the only reason the UAE was decent was most of the people I saw were not muslims. the same thing with turkey, it might be a muslim country but people there are very polite and in no way does it feel like you are in a paki like sh1thole.

We just wouldn't accommodate 30 million tourists every year then .

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What turkey seems is what Pakistan was in 1970s when Saudi radical islam was just entering Pakistan. It was rampant during 1980s and by the time USSR collapsed in 1990s, the general population was staunchly anti-american.

Radical islam is in rise in Turkey. Even intellectuals in turkey seem anti-american these days. Being a "proper" muslim is becoming vogue. They are demanding Hagia Sophia become a mosque. All the secular generals are in jail and army no longer calling shots and getting islamized as well. Ataturk's legacy is being dismantled. Burka is in rise in Istanbul. Perhaps too early to conclude its becoming Pakiland but similarities are striking.

I have been to 7 muslim countries and the only decent ones were turkey and UAE. and the only reason the UAE was decent was most of the people I saw were not muslims. ******

RE: there are 700k+ pakistanis in UAE....lol, and majority are muslims for the record, the emirates airline which you probably loved was jump started by Pakistan International Airlines, Dubai muncipality which laid the foundation of modern city was manned by scores Paki engineer, surveors, tech...., also with it;s airforce, , it was paki labour that toiled the 45 degree plus afternoon that build airports, roads and so on...... Pakistani Contribution to UAE has been emmense along with other nationalities, but perhaps the most important it the late former PM of Pakistan Zulfiqar Bhutto that played a key part in the formation of the UAE.



the same thing with turkey, it might be a muslim country but people there are very polite and in no way does it feel like you are in a paki like sh1thole.****************


RE: shows your total ignorance about islamic ideology... goods manners and etiquattes were taught by islam which the barbarian west aped and let to it;s revival....lol

for the record the world's most rudest people are hindu indians... do you want a article on this?... the indians here cried like babies when i posted that

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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LOL that thread has backfired pseudo indian. (BTW this guy isnt indian, maybe kurd or armenian)



Talking about backstabbing

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I think the hendoostani untermensch is jealous of our NATO membership, he is constantly mentioning our NATO membership. He thinks Turkey will turn into a sh1thole like his country, but it will not. He is really desperate, since hendoostanis try to suck up as much as they can to Americans or Russians, its amusing to see these 1.50m tall subhumans try to belittle us.

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I'm not like everybody else

Regardless of what the leftover turk Kemalists say living in europe, Anti-americanism and anti-west in general is in rise in Turkey as is hardline Islam. There was a Princeton report few years back that showed how anti-american torks are becoming. Then some people thought it was Bush's Iraq war 2 that made anti-americanism rise in Turkey as in other parts of world including europe. But in rest of world and EU it subsided but it continued to rise in Turkey.

Not just intellectuals, but army, and general population is radicalizing. Some of this is spilling over to turks living in other places like EU as well. Its only a matter of time.

Here some good read. A lot has happened since then on rise of Islam.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/articles/2005/11/16turkey-taspinar

A month back in April 2012 , Denmark arrested a Turkish man on terror charges.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-man-arrested-in-denmark-over-terror-suspicion.aspx?pageID=238&nID=19425&NewsCatID=351

I think the-me the hendu, greek, armenian, kurd has suffered from brain hemorage from drinking too much cow piss and using a telephone pole as a dildo.

" there are 700k+ pakistanis in UAE....lol, and majority are muslims for the record, the emirates airline which you probably loved was jump started by Pakistan International Airlines, Dubai muncipality which laid the foundation of modern city was manned by scores Paki engineer, surveors, tech...., also with it;s airforce, , it was paki labour that toiled the 45 degree plus afternoon that build airports, roads and so on...... Pakistani Contribution to UAE has been emmense along with other nationalities, but perhaps the most important it the late former PM of Pakistan Zulfiqar Bhutto that played a key part in the formation of the UAE."

I didn't see or smell the stench of any paki in the uae.

RE: there are 700k+ pakistanis in UAE....lol, and majority are muslims for the record, the emirates airline which you probably loved was jump started by Pakistan International Airlines, Dubai muncipality which laid the foundation of modern city was manned by scores Paki engineer, surveors, tech...., also with it;s airforce, , it was paki labour that toiled the 45 degree plus afternoon that build airports, roads and so on...... Pakistani Contribution to UAE has been emmense along with other nationalities, but perhaps the most important it the late former PM of Pakistan Zulfiqar Bhutto that played a key part in the formation of the UAE.

If only the Pakistanis could perform this miracle again................ in Pakistan. LOL

RE: shows your total ignorance about islamic ideology... goods manners and etiquattes were taught by islam which the barbarian west aped and let to it;s revival....lol

Islam and Muslims hard have a claim on the creators of good manners. What a ridiculous claim. This may be your most stupid ever, Prado. That would be an achievement.

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"The chief aim of all government is to preserve the freedom of the citizen. His control over his person, his property, his movements, his business, his desires should be restrained only so far as the public welfare imperatively demands. The world is in more danger of being governed too much than too little. It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny. Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation." John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.

OK, that Brookings Institute article is 7 years old and also mentions the tight and cozy relationship between Turkey and Syria. Let see, 2005.... Hmmm... what was going on then? I wonder?.....

Don't get me wrong - I can't stand Islamist demagogues either, but Zia's Islamization of the took place in a third world, underdeveloped largely feudal society that should have never been cobbled together into a county. Turks aren't Pakistanis because they have a legacy of national institutions that function. Thanks to Mustafa for that.

And economic development leads to social change that generally gets people out of their more traditional-values cultural matrices.

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Turks were never secular .. they were forced to become one thanx to the larger than life persona pf Ata turk.also the subsequent civilian and military leadership was genuinely secular and forward thinking.

Its not the case any more. senior secular military chiefs are in jail and a Islamist party is in power. Slowly but steadily it will lead the nation to Re Islamism. the recent conflict with israel, Ghaza bound flotilla , etc are ample proof. the only thing stopping the slide is influence and fear of Uncle Sam.

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Yes Islam did intitionalise manners and good behavior.... Go read it up... Good for your southern fried brain...

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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AKP came to power in 2002.
At end of this year it will be 10th year of AKP ruling the country.
Any predictions when "sharia" will come ?

To the issue of backstabbing:
Total economic+military assistance Turkey receives from USA is around 20-30 Million Dollar a year.
In 2002 (because of coming USA-Iraq-invasion) this total assistance was raised to 332 Million Dollar, a form of bribe.
With that money Turks do sanitation for places like Incirlik so that Americans don't shower in their own p-i-ss, like the people in India do where the thread-starter comes from.

What does the USA for Turkey that it should be regarded "backstabbing" if Turks act not the way Americans want?