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U.S. intelligence officials have identified Chinese J-10 fighter used Israel technology.

Russian engineers also recognized J -10 fighter using Israeli technology.

J 10s shape is similar to the US-made F-16 fighter, the weight is also similar with the F-16 (19 tons), with only one engine,

J -10 China and the U.S. F-16 like no accident, because Israel apparently sold to the Chinese lion-type fighter technology.



Aircraft carrier-based J-10 fighter



F-16D Block 50 combat training aircraft type

Israel abandoned the Lavi fighter project, not only because of its high cost, but also because there are cheaper alternatives (F-16 procurement from the United States and the F-15).

Lavi fighter should be a super F-16 fighter, which synthesized a number of F-16s design (the Israeli F-16 fighters are very familiar with the Israeli Air Force F-16 fighters, Israel has also developed a number of F-16 new components).

It is believed that Pakistan provided China with an F-16 for research and analysis.

It appears that many F-16s technology has been applied to the top of the J-10.

The combat performance of J -10 is not perfect, so China has some of the J -10 converted into a fighter-bombers J-10C.

J-10C will be equipped with a weapons operator is responsible for precision strikes on the ground, the J-10C can carry 4 tons of ammunition, also equipped with a precision-guided munitions launch target designation pod.

The Chinese designed pod with Israels Rafael, "Li Tanning (Litening)" pod similar to the U.S. military aircraft to use the pod is Li Tanning subsequent versions of the pod.

J-10C equipped with more advanced radar equipment, the radar has a greater than J-10 radar detection range and has a track 12 targets simultaneously, and the greatest threat against one of the 6 goals. The cockpit is more advanced set of domestic diffraction HUD.

In addition J-10C addition to the more advanced PL12 equipped with air to air missiles in the moment will be equipped with more advanced outside the PL-13 long-range air to air missile, which has anti-missile early-warning capabilities. The installation of a laser-guided pod J-10C, but also launch a variety of laser-guided bombs, to further enhance the aircrafts ground precision strike capability.



Carrier-based twin-engine J-10 aircraft

J10C and J10 have greater differences in appearance, and its inlet with a more sophisticated design, the original thrust of the engine because of the additional installation of a larger design of the six-bone ribs will cease to exist, replaced by a more streamlined design. In addition to the inlet than, J10C J10 appearance with the biggest difference is that, J10C also the same as the F16E installation of a similar "hump Falcon" and two extra large fuel tanks.

This is not surprising the U.S., the United States that the J10 fighter design success lies in its complete digestion and absorption of the advantages of the F16 fighter, so J10C and F16E used to increase the range of a similar design approach is not unexpected. J10 fighters overall performance has exceeded the F16A / B, and J10C performance will have more than fighters serving the United States, one of the main F16 fighter of all models. But the U.S. also believes that the J10 aircraft engines still rely on the Russian side, so J10C only use Russias latest improved AL-31FN engine.

United States further noted that, J10C the successful development of the significance of China is not only to J10C aircraft itself, but also in its fourth generation fighter as China demonstrator important mission! It is reported that, J10C using stealth coating, infrared suppression, and many of the stealth technology to reduce the amount of infrared radiation, and radar reflectivity, and the U.S. military successfully developed before the fourth-generation fighter F35 is the first carried out in the F16E aircraft stealth design verification, and the Russian launch of S-37 Golden Eagle aircraft is as the same task. Therefore J10C successful development indicates that Chinas fourth-generation fighter JXX really is about to take off!

As early as the third generation of Chinese-made J -10 advent of new aircraft, the Western media to render its "attack", while foreign arms dealers are worried about the impact of J -10 to dominate the arms market to them often so the Western media was quickly release, "China will sell Iran J -10" false news, was a foreign analysts believe arms dealer in the block on exports of J -10 "smart operation."

J 10 is a high performance aircraft, longer than the fight for air supremacy, while both ground attack capability. J -10 par with the United States F-16, Russias MiG -29, and the French "Rafale" fighter jets and so on. In contrast, the mobility J -10 is better, air combat have a certain advantage. In the implementation of territorial air defense, air combat, sea and air attacks, the joint task can have a superior performance.

International arms dealers generally believe that although China has not exported the intention of -10 F, but does not rule out the possibility of the future. J -10 because the technical and material on the full domestic and export will not be subject to external restrictions. Relative to the United States advanced aircraft, Chinas J -10 in the export market has a price advantage.

It is estimated that by 2015, global production for the fighter and trainer aircraft more than 3,800 planes, valued at more than 1,500 billion dollars. Asia, Europe or Latin America, some countries may be based on cost considerations, choose J -10 rather than the U.S. or Russian aircraft. Professionals, estimates that if China let J -10 export market for U.S. F-16 will be sharing the cake, at least hundreds of fighters will lead to loss of orders.

For the United States, China addition to affecting the export fighter market share of its arms, the arms trade will be disrupted by the United States operating a network of international relations. High-performance aircraft that the Chinese state, may play an international role more independently, rather than turn around Americas baton. Meanwhile, China can also produce and export a large number of aircraft to reduce costs, and explore the experience (including such fighters and U.S. forces in overseas combat experience).

For these concerns, the United States J -10 are sensitive to any topic. The past practice by the United States, if China really J -10 fighter exports, the United States is likely to be asked to create public pressure and released as "Chinas state sponsors of terrorism and the human rights record poor countries export advanced weapons" and other arguments, and then strictly control related goods and technology exports, even combined a number of countries to implement sanctions on China. Of course, in the United States wantonly in the context of arms exports, the U.S. argument that the world can easily be seen through.

Of course it's stolen but it's also old technology the F-16 became operational in 1978.

The US can't seriously expect that the most numerous modern fighter in the world hasn't leaked Tech data all over the world as well.

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Uh, Un, what's your title mean?

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"The chief aim of all government is to preserve the freedom of the citizen. His control over his person, his property, his movements, his business, his desires should be restrained only so far as the public welfare imperatively demands. The world is in more danger of being governed too much than too little. It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny. Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation." John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.

Mo, it is as simple as it gets, if you cant understand this, dont ask others to chew your food for you.

I don't understand it either.

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"deeds, not words"

If i use the term Mini-Me here would this be too wrong or just antisemitic?

Mo, it is as simple as it gets, if you cant understand this, dont ask others to chew your food for you.

I'm sorry, Un, that I'm so stupid, but it still makes no sense to me. Who's "they?" What wheel are "they" not "reinventing?" You've confused me. Having read your threads today, I often they we'd be better served by leaving the original titles to articles if the alternative is to replace them with the undecipherable.

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"The chief aim of all government is to preserve the freedom of the citizen. His control over his person, his property, his movements, his business, his desires should be restrained only so far as the public welfare imperatively demands. The world is in more danger of being governed too much than too little. It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny. Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation." John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.

Assuming that the real article is of no interest but the title is the core. Let me chew it for you.
whatever china achieves west calls it reverse engineering, so many countries have come up with their own cars and trucks etc. They never reinvented anything regarding the car or truck. Why is it such a big deal if china does that. They would do it and do it smartly and with way lower cost i reckon.
Please i would regurgitate if i keep on doing this.

Assuming that the real article is of no interest but the title is the core. Let me chew it for you.
whatever china achieves west calls it reverse engineering, so many countries have come up with their own cars and trucks etc. They never reinvented anything regarding the car or truck. Why is it such a big deal if china does that. They would do it and do it smartly and with way lower cost i reckon.
Please i would regurgitate if i keep on doing this.

Point 1: A lot of what China 'develops' IS reversed engineered or simply bought.

Point 2: Yes, and each country goes about it a different way and many different nations(Companies really) invented new technologies for their own automobiles.

I really don't think you understand what re-invent means.

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"deeds, not words"

Fool, did US invent the wheel ?

Assuming that the real article is of no interest but the title is the core.

Titles often give us an insight into the body of the article. Your's simply confused me.

Let me chew it for you.

Thanks.

whatever china achieves west calls it reverse engineering, so many countries have come up with their own cars and trucks etc. They never reinvented anything regarding the car or truck. Why is it such a big deal if china does that. They would do it and do it smartly and with way lower cost i reckon.

Oh, I see. If the reverse engineer, then it's not inventing or even reinventing, it's copying. Let's look for a moment, shall we?

This is an M-16.


This is a Norinco CQ5.56 sometimes called an M311.


Was the CQ5.56 invented, reinvented or copied by the Chinese.

This is a Norinco 1911A1:


This is A Colt 1911A1:


These, too, look eerily similar. Was the 1911A1 invented, reinvented or copied by the Chinese.

My point, Un, is that to invent something one has to come up with the idea. To reinvent it, one comes up with an innovation or improvement on the original. To copy it, is simply to copy.

To use your analogy, all cars have some key similarities and are thus, classified as cars. When you copy something someone else has created, you're not inventing or reinventing, you're merely copying.

Please i would regurgitate if i keep on doing this.

I'm sorry I'm so much trouble. I hope you are feeling better.

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"The chief aim of all government is to preserve the freedom of the citizen. His control over his person, his property, his movements, his business, his desires should be restrained only so far as the public welfare imperatively demands. The world is in more danger of being governed too much than too little. It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny. Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation." John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.

so what? did US not take advance tech from the germans as WW2 ended?...

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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^^ not just US , USSR , France , UK . Modern warfare is the way it is today thanks to Germans of WW2.

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^^ not just US , USSR , France , UK . Modern warfare is the way it is today thanks to Germans of WW2.

Yea right and France and the UK didn't invent the fighter a/c and tanks in WW1 among a myriad of other firsts. WW1 was the first modern war not WW2.

All modern tanks are based on the architecture of the Renault FT.



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De Gaulle to the General Koenig, Norman hero of Bir Hakeim: "Hear and tell your troops: the whole of France is watching you, you are our pride."[

oh come on ! Not just a tank I'm speaking generally. Assault Rifles , Ballistic and Cruise missiles and all that stuff that pre-45 Germany pioneered them . And in relatively big numbers. Both nations Space program , atomic bomb , Air Independent propulsion ... Should I name em all ?

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everybody copies and steals, especially when China is trying to catch up and under arms embargo....Just human nature....Of course, the west is so afraid of China's rapid rise, they are trying to demonize china every chance they get.....Now, tell me about the J20 and the world's fastest computers....lol They pick and choose to their liking.....Again, every body steals including the evil west....lol

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Now dont be calling west evil in general the people are the sweetest ever. The evil is the governments there and not the people. Evil is the force to control and manipulate. West can not stand to be second and that is the problem....but life carries on.

everybody copies and steals, especially when China is trying to catch up and under arms embargo....Just human nature....Of course, the west is so afraid of China's rapid rise, they are trying to demonize china every chance they get.....Now, tell me about the J20 and the world's fastest computers....lol They pick and choose to their liking.....Again, every body steals including the evil west....lol

With respect, Hawks, this is nonsense. Everybody uses foreign technologies, true. Some steal it. Others buy it. I guess you've never heard of licensing agreements, huh? I can't wait until China starts actually developing its own technology, as it will as it continues to develop, and then listen to you scream like a stuck pig as its technology is stolen. There's a reason the west has developed as it has, the protection of private property, including ideas and development. Soon China will need its intellectual property protected as well. I hope the West treats it with the same blatant disregard as China has treated its theft of the property of others.

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"The chief aim of all government is to preserve the freedom of the citizen. His control over his person, his property, his movements, his business, his desires should be restrained only so far as the public welfare imperatively demands. The world is in more danger of being governed too much than too little. It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny. Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation." John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.