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Surprise! Surprise! Would-Be Suicide Bombers: We Were Trained in Pakistan

June 18 2012 at 9:01 PM
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Captured Would-Be Suicide Bombers: We Were Trained in Pakistan; Afghan Intelligence Service: Taliban Isolating Low-Profile Madrassa Students For Suicide Attacks In Afghanistan


Note to media and government: For a full copy of these reports, send an email with the title of the report in the subject line to media@memri.org. Please include your name, title, and organization in your email.

In the two reports below, several captured would-be suicide bombers who recently failed to carry out attacks in Afghanistan and were consequently captured revealed how they are inspired by extremist teachings in Pakistani madrassas, while the Afghan intelligence service National Directorate of Security (NDS) says that the Taliban are isolating "lazy and low-profile students" in Pakistani madrassas to send them on suicide missions.

Afghanistan's National Directorate of Security: Taliban Are Isolating Low-Profile Students In Pakistan Madrassas And Are Training Them For Suicide Attacks

Lutfullah Mashal, a spokesman for Afghanistan's National Directorate of Security (NDS), says that the Taliban are isolating lazy and low-profile students in Pakistani madrassas in order to to give them a mistaken picture about Afghanistan and to work cultivate them psychologically to carry out suicide attacks.

Following are excerpts from a report published on the website of Afghan TOLONews TV:

"Suicide attacks, unknown in Afghanistan until 2004, have become particularly worrying to the country as newly minted government forces take control of security ahead of the withdrawal of most foreign combat troops in 2014.

"'Most Muslim families send their children for Islamic education to Pakistani madrassas; and the Taliban, especially the Al-Qaeda-related Taliban, choose and select some dumb students, lazy students, and students from poor family backgrounds to be recruited as suicide attackers. They isolate them from the rest of the students, they train them, and in most cases they hypnotize them. They work with them psychologically and they give them a wrong picture of Afghanistan,' [NDS spokesman Lutfullah] Mashal said.

"Suicide bombings are the most lethal type of weapon to be used against civilian and military forces, after IEDs [improvised explosive devices].

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6460.htm


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June 18 2012, 9:15 PM 

LIE!!

pakiland is land of milk and honey and as mooselems they do no such thing!!

Zionist propaganda!!

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June 19 2012, 9:16 AM 

Source: Afghan Intelligence Service


MUHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHHAHHA HHAHAHHAHAH


What is that?


seriously i dont think there is afgan whose IQ exceeds 50.....





but please do continue .... this is too funny



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June 19 2012, 5:55 PM 

Source: Afghan Intelligence Service


MUHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHHAHHA HHAHAHHAHAH


What is that?


seriously i dont think there is afgan whose IQ exceeds 50.....


Interesting, Prado. You don't refute the report. You don't show any source that even casts doubt on the report. You attack the intelligence of Afghans as though an Aussie Pakistani descendant who can't even make it in his home country takes a job cleaning Arabs' toilets, is the arbiter of intellectual achievement.

but please do continue .... this is too funny

If by that you mean pointing out the duplicity and perfidy of Pakistan, don't worry, I will.


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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

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June 20 2012, 11:03 AM 

@papa

ok papa here is what i will admit from sources i have gathered both Pakistan and US and its afgan cronies are conducting shadow wars in each others country. To single out any of them as angels is a lie ......both are playing nasty games on each other....

US want to destablise Pakistan for many reasons but mainly":
1) De nuke pakistan this is top priority for them

2) fuel a nasty insurgency baluchistan to cause it to be a break away province, it is rich in untappped oil, gas and coal reserves and it is strategic port of Gwadar is crucially important as China wants naval and a airbase there..


Pakistans sees as long as the US army gets bogged down in a luntic war in afganistan so that it keeps off pakistan. there is no real evidence of large scale support by the pakistan army but i can say with certainty pakistan is turning a blind eye. IF there was evidence of large scale support like in soviet times the US would have just gone to the UN and made it's arguement.


i think it better you leave this region as we will never let u stay no matter what you do. To think of it a handfull of men armed with ak-47 and RPGs and motors and using toyota hilux as mobility vehicles have made it an extremely expensive affair for what is worlds most powerfull military to control Afganistan.






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June 20 2012, 12:04 PM 

Pakistan needs no help from the US to be destabilized. It is a pathetic, corrupt cesspool populated by a pathetic populace who would rather live in squalor led by religious fanatics whose political ideas have more in common with the 12th Century rather than the 21st.


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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.
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Saudi Arabia also state sponsors terrorism. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi. They also trained in the US.

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June 20 2012, 4:12 PM 

17, you are such a loser. Saudi govt doesn't actively promote or ignore when requested by US to act against anti-US activities. It is a US poodle as govt but average abdullah on street may be anti-US.

In Pakiland too average abdul is anti-US and anti-infidel. But Paki govt does ignore or duplicitously backstabs US when requested by US to curb anti-US activities.

Thats the difference. One govt fully complies and another whines, says yes when forced, double crosses, backstabs but eventually bends down but plots. etc.

There you go, no more complicated as UFOs and aliens.

 
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So you're saying the Saudi's aren't state sponsors of terrorism?

"The Saudi government has been the principal financial backer of Afghanistan' s odious Taliban movement since at least 1996. It has also channeled funds to Hamas and other groups that have committed terrorist acts in Israel and other portions of the Middle East.

Worst of all, the Saudi monarchy has funded dubious schools and "charities" throughout the Islamic world. Those organizations have been hotbeds of anti-Western, and especially, anti-American, indoctrination. The schools, for example, not only indoctrinate students in a virulent and extreme form of Islam, but also teach them to hate secular Western values.

They are also taught that the United States is the center of infidel power in the world and is the enemy of Islam. Graduates of those schools are frequently recruits for Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda terror network as well as other extremist groups."


http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/terrorist-sponsors-saudi-arabia-pakistan-china

And you're saying the majority of the 9/11 hijackers weren't Saudi?

God, I've seen some stupid Pakistanies on this forum, but you sir, are in a league of your own..

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And your Saudi terrorist buddies fully comply? That's not what the US says..

"Saudi Arabia enlisted in the fight against terrorism only in response to intense pressure from the United States following the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Even then, its cooperation has been minimal and grudging. For example, Riyadh has resisted Washington's requests to use its bases in Saudi Arabia for military operations against Osama bin Laden's terrorist facilities in Afghanistan."

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June 20 2012, 5:16 PM 

the hindu is obessed with pakistan....lool

remember we dont make apologies for support of kashmir freedom fighters and in the past have been happy to provide material and political support


@provost

what a stupid response.... as usual. the problem with u people when we play your dirty games you dont like it.....



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8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


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Flow of Saudis' Cash to Hamas Is Scrutinized

Nearly a year ago, Khalid Mishaal, a senior leader of Hamas, the militant Palestinian organization, attended a charitable fund-raising conference here where he talked at length with Crown Prince Abdullah, the de facto Saudi ruler.

According to a summary of the meeting written by a Hamas official, Mr. Mishaal and other Hamas representatives thanked their Saudi hosts for continuing ''to send aid to the people through the civilian and popular channels, despite all the American pressures exerted on them.''

''This is indeed a brave posture deserving appreciation,'' the Hamas officials said, the document said.

Today Mr. Mishaal, who was recently added to the United States Treasury Department list of what it calls terrorist financiers, controls a wing of Hamas that advocates violent confrontation with Israel, including suicide bombings.

As relations between the Israelis and Palestinians continue to deteriorate, in no small part because of recent Hamas-sponsored suicide bombings, Saudis have come under fresh scrutiny by American and European investigators here and in Israel for their political and financial support of the group.


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WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists

Hillary Clinton memo highlights Gulf states' failure to block funding for groups like al-Qaida, Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba

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Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.

Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.

The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

One cable details how the Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005.

Meanwhile officials with the LeT's charity wing, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, travelled to Saudi Arabia seeking donations for new schools at vastly inflated costs then siphoned off the excess money to fund militant operations.

Militants seeking donations often come during the hajj pilgrimage "a major security loophole since pilgrims often travel with large amounts of cash and the Saudis cannot refuse them entry into Saudi Arabia". Even a small donation can go far: LeT operates on a budget of just $5.25m (£3.25m) a year, according to American estimates.

Saudi officials are often painted as reluctant partners. Clinton complained of the "ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist funds emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority".

Washington is critical of the Saudi refusal to ban three charities classified as terrorist entities in the US. "Intelligence suggests that these groups continue to send money overseas and, at times, fund extremism overseas," she said.

There has been some progress. This year US officials reported that al-Qaida's fundraising ability had "deteriorated substantially" since a government crackdown. As a result Bin Laden's group was "in its weakest state since 9/11" in Saudi Arabia.

Any criticisms are generally offered in private. The cables show that when it comes to powerful oil-rich allies US diplomats save their concerns for closed-door talks, in stark contrast to the often pointed criticism meted out to allies in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Instead, officials at the Riyadh embassy worry about protecting Saudi oilfields from al-Qaida attacks.

The other major headache for the US in the Gulf region is the United Arab Emirates. The Afghan Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network earn "significant funds" through UAE-based businesses, according to one report. The Taliban extort money from the large Pashtun community in the UAE, which is home to 1 million Pakistanis and 150,000 Afghans. They also fundraise by kidnapping Pashtun businessmen based in Dubai or their relatives.

"Some Afghan businessmen in the UAE have resorted to purchasing tickets on the day of travel to limit the chance of being kidnapped themselves upon arrival in either Afghanistan or Pakistan," the report says.

Last January US intelligence sources said two senior Taliban fundraisers had regularly travelled to the UAE, where the Taliban and Haqqani networks laundered money through local front companies.

One report singled out a Kabul-based "Haqqani facilitator", Haji Khalil Zadran, as a key figure. But, Clinton complained, it was hard to be sure: the UAE's weak financial regulation and porous borders left US investigators with "limited information" on the identity of Taliban and LeT facilitators.

The lack of border controls was "exploited by Taliban couriers and Afghan drug lords camouflaged among traders, businessmen and migrant workers", she said.

In an effort to stem the flow of funds American and UAE officials are increasingly co-operating to catch the "cash couriers" smugglers who fly giant sums of money into Pakistan and Afghanistan.

In common with its neighbours Kuwait is described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida and other militant groups. While the government has acted against attacks on its own soil, it is "less inclined to take action against Kuwait-based financiers and facilitators plotting attacks outside of Kuwait".

Kuwait has refused to ban the Revival of Islamic Heritage Society, a charity the US designated a terrorist entity in June 2008 for providing aid to al-Qaida and affiliated groups, including LeT.

There is little information about militant fundraising in the fourth Gulf country singled out, Qatar, other than to say its "overall level of CT co-operation with the US is considered the worst in the region".

The funding quagmire extends to Pakistan itself, where the US cables detail sharp criticism of the government's ambivalence towards funding of militant groups that enjoy covert military support.

The cables show how before the Mumbai attacks in 2008, Pakistani and Chinese diplomats manoeuvred hard to block UN sanctions against Jamaat-ud-Dawa.

But in August 2009, nine months after sanctions were finally imposed, US diplomats wrote: "We continue to see reporting indicating that JUD is still operating in multiple locations in Pakistan and that the group continues to openly raise funds". JUD denies it is the charity wing of LeT.

This article was amended on 15 December 2010. The original caption referred to the Chatrapathi Sivaji station in Mumbai. This has been corrected.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding

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Qatar, saudi and UAE funders of terrorism?

so why are the western countries dancing around them to sell them thier over priced weapons?.





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June 20 2012, 6:12 PM 

I thought there was no difference between Afghanis and (tribal) Pakistani? Guess IQ doesn't travel across a border.

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Saudis faulted for funding terror

Treasury official shows frustration at U.S. efforts to force action. An audit is ordered

WASHINGTON Saudi Arabia remains the world's leading source of money for Al Qaeda and other extremist networks and has failed to take key steps requested by U.S. officials to stem the flow, the Bush administration's top financial counter-terrorism official said Tuesday.

Stuart A. Levey, a Treasury undersecretary, told a Senate committee that the Saudi government had not taken important steps to go after those who finance terrorist organizations or to prevent wealthy donors from bankrolling extremism through charitable contributions, sometimes unwittingly.

"Saudi Arabia today remains the location where more money is going to terrorism, to Sunni terror groups and to the Taliban than any other place in the world," Levey said under questioning.

U.S. officials have previously identified Saudi Arabia as a major source of funding for extremism. But Levey's comments were notable because, although reluctant to directly criticize a close U.S. ally, he acknowledged frustration with administration efforts to persuade the Saudis and others to act.

"We continue to face significant challenges as we move forward with these efforts, including fostering and maintaining the political will among other governments to take effective and consistent action," Levey said, later adding: "Our work is not nearly complete."

Levey was the sole witness before the Senate Finance Committee, which Tuesday ordered an independent review of the efforts to choke off financing used by Al Qaeda and other extremist groups.

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), the committee chairman, announced the review at the end of the hearing held to assess the money-tracking campaign by Treasury's Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, headed by Levey.

The Bush administration created the office in 2004 to spearhead efforts to disrupt the flow of money to extremist causes, primarily from wealthy donors in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf.

However, U.S. officials and counter-terrorism experts have said that international support for the effort has waned while terrorist groups have found ways around the financial restrictions. At the same time, there have been turf battles among the 19 federal agencies that work on the problem.

Senators praised work done by Levey but expressed concerns about the overall U.S. effort. The committee's Democratic and Republican leaders cited a Los Angeles Times report last week detailing problems undermining the effort.

Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican, said extremist groups had adapted to changing U.S. investigative methods: "We are simply not prepared right now to keep up with them and put them out of business once and for all."

Levey said the campaign has succeeded in disrupting terrorist financing by freezing suspicious assets and in gathering intelligence that could be used to identify extremists and disrupt their activities.


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June 20 2012, 9:18 PM 

Relax 17, no need to get ur undies in a knot. Saudis are a very rabid conservative society and generally the puppet king tries to please US while trying to keep his fanatic citizens happy at the same time. They are even trying to change their society although very slowly. Pakiland on the otherhand is going in opposite direction. They started off as a moderate islamic society but are becoming more and more rabid islamic and like Parady here think the more islamic they become the better off they will be. This is exactly opposite of the course US is taking. So calm down, give your overactive brain some rest.

 
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June 20 2012, 9:58 PM 

what a stupid response.... as usual.

Of course it was. I could not possibly live up to the intellect of an Aussie toilet cleaner, could I?

the problem with u people when we play your dirty games you dont like it.....

Who's "we?" And what dirty games? The desire to live in the 12th Century ruled by religious maniacs? I don't know anyone who wants to play that game.



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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

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I think he means the way the West supports terrorists (to further our agendas) and think nothing of it.

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June 20 2012, 10:57 PM 

That sounds like an awfully complex thought for Prado. I'll wait to see.


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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

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Ehsan Framosh, Afghanis.

 
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Would-Be Suicide Bombers: We Were Trained in Pakistan

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June 24 2012, 9:57 AM 

remember we dont make apologies for support of kashmir freedom fighters and in the past have been happy to provide material and political support

Ironically the same jihadis are draining your economy and killing your people.

Its like you guys using a nunchaku, dont have any idea how to use it and you end up hurting yourself.

 
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