Syrian government forces have massed 170 tanks north of the city of Aleppo, close to the Turkish border, according to the rebel Free Syrian Army.

The claim by Gen Mustafa al-Sheikh, head of the FSA's military council, could not be independently confirmed, but it suggested that the Syrian army was responding to a Turkish military build-up on the border.

It could represent a significant escalation in tensions between Damascus its former friendly neighbour. The Syrian army has been involved in operations against rebels in the area.

Meanwhile, international envoy Kofi Annan said he believed that Saturday's international crisis meeting in Geneva will end with "an acceptable result" and said he was optimistic, despite the fact that Russia, publicly at least, says it will not countenance regime change unless it comes from the Syrian people themselves.

In what could prove a crucial meeting, Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, and Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, meet in St Petersburg today to try to produce with a compromise.

The Americans are adamant that the Russians agree to a new plan drawn up by Mr Annan that would include Assad supporters in a national unity government but require him to the Syrian president to step down.

Mr Assad ruled out any compromise. In a rare interview, he said he had a duty to "annihilate terrorists" to protect his people and ruled out any solution to the crisis imposed from outside the country.

"The responsibility of the Syrian government is to protect all of our residents. You have a responsibility to annihilate terrorists in any corner of the country," Mr Assad told Iranian state television.

"When you eliminate a terrorist, it's possible that you are saving the lives of tens, hundreds, or even thousands," he said, referring to last month's massacre in the village of Houla in which more than 100 people, including women and children, were killed.

Battling to crush a 16-month uprising against his rule, the 46-year-old Alawite leader demanded international observers speak out more about the "terrorist operations" they witnessed.

He also firmly rejected any solution imposed from outside the country, emphasising his own commitment to reform instead.
"We will not accept any non-Syrian, non-national model, whether it comes from big countries or friendly countries. No one knows how to solve Syria's problems as well as we do," he said.

"We are moving forward with political reforms. But for terrorists and the governments that support them, reforms have no meaning."
Mr Assad accused Syria's foes of trying to interfere in his country's internal affairs with UN resolutions and by bringing about the failure of Kofi Annan's peace plan.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9364390/Syrian-tanks-amass-on-border-as-Assad-threatens-opposition.html
I know there's an exact thread in the G&T forum but i decided to start one here so that people's head don't spin every time
they visit that godforsaken forum.




Assad is probably calling turkey's bluff since Assad knows Erdo is nothing but bark..... but there's always hope!!

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Let's Annoy The Turks
Next Article SURFACE FORCES : Returning To Subic
June 29, 2012: Violence is increasing, with deaths running at over 700 a week. The security forces are suffering higher casualties, but these are exceeded by increasing desertions. Nearly 16,000 people have died since the violence began 15 months ago, but more than twice as many soldiers have deserted. Russia still supports the Assad dictatorship and is blocking harsher measures by the UN. At the same time, the UN has declared Syria too dangerous for UN observers. The country is still, technically, operating under a UN ceasefire negotiated in April, but never really observed.

At least twenty percent of the Syrian Army has deserted so far. Most Syrians oppose the Assad government. Only about ten percent of the population benefit from the Assad dictatorship. This fraction of the population supplies the manpower for the secret police (about 50,000 full-timers) and the leadership of the armed forces (300,000 troops and 100,000 paramilitary, the majority of them Sunni, led by largely Alawite officers.) The loyalty of many troops is being bought, by making sure the troops are paid on time and that the married ones have access to needed consumer goods.

The Alawites are five percent of the population. Sunni Arabs are about 75 percent. Other minorities (Shia, Druze, Christian) will, up to a point, side with the Alawites (a common pattern in the Middle East, where non-Sunni minorities have long been persecuted). Deserters are treated harshly (often executed immediately) if caught. Many army units are confined to their bases, with the more trusted troops guarding the rest. There are only about 100,000 reliable soldiers and secret police. But over 20,000 armed militia have been raised from loyal (especially Alawite) populations. These gunmen are less disciplined and more prone to harsh treatment of rebel civilians. Economic problems are being felt all over the country. There are shortages of food and any goods that must be imports. Sanctions have made it difficult to import anything, even items (like food and medicine) not banned by sanctions. These items are made available based on how loyal (to the government) you appear to be. Iran is supplying billions of dollars to help pay for a lot of this loyalty. Despite these efforts, morale in the military is low. The troops don't like being ordered to fire on civilians. Rebels report that troops are often very inaccurate when firing on civilians, and that artillery and tank units ordered to do this often suffer lots of desertions afterwards.

The growing weakness of the pro-government forces has encouraged the rebels, who are finding it easier to move about and stage attacks. Rebels are making attacks closer and closer to the capital, and terrorist bombs have been going off inside the capital. The rebels increasingly control the countryside, with the government forces staying near the major cities. The troops only move into the country side in heavily armed convoys. Anything smaller gets ambushed.

Rebels report that nearly 200 tanks have moved to positions on the Turkish border, north of the city of Aleppo. The tanks are apparently there to attack rebel held towns, not fight invading Turks. In the last two days, the Turks have moved more troops and anti-aircraft missile units to the Syrian border.

Turkey is still discussing what to do about Syrian shooting down one of its jets. Turkey does not want to invade Syria, but the loss of the F-4 jet has caused a lot of anger inside Turkey, especially within the military. However, opinion surveys show that most Turks do not want to go to war over the issue.

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/syria/articles/20120629.aspx

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"The chief aim of all government is to preserve the freedom of the citizen. His control over his person, his property, his movements, his business, his desires should be restrained only so far as the public welfare imperatively demands. The world is in more danger of being governed too much than too little. It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny. Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation." John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.

Turkey Deploys Anti-Aircraft Guns at Syria Border

Jun 28, 2012

Associated Press| by Selcan Hacaoglu
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ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey deployed anti-aircraft guns and other weapons alongside its border with Syria, state television reported on Thursday, days after the downing of a Turkish military jet by Syrian forces heightened the tensions between the two countries.

A small convoy of military trucks, towing anti-aircraft guns, entered into a military outpost in the border village of Guvecci, which faces a Syrian military outpost across the border and where Syrian forces and rebels clashed in recent months, TRT television footage showed.

Several anti-aircraft guns have also been deployed elsewhere alongside the border. Some trucks were seen carrying self-propelled multiple rocket launchers, TRT footage showed.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned Tuesday that any Syrian military unit approaching its border will be treated as a direct threat. Turkey's NATO allies have expressed solidarity with Ankara and condemned the Syrian attack but made no mention of any retaliatory action against Syria.

The deployment came before President Abdullah Gul chaired a National Security Council meeting on Thursday, TRT said. The meeting, attended by Cabinet members and the military's top brass, is expected to focus on tensions with Syria.

Turkey and Syria had cultivated close ties before the Syrian revolt began in March 2011, but since then Turkey has become one of the strongest critics of Syria's regime and repeatedly called on Syria's President Bashar Assad to step down as 33,000 Syrians have sought refuge in Turkey.

Turkey is also hosting civilian opposition groups as well as hundreds of army defectors who are affiliated with the Free Syrian Army and collect food and other supplies to deliver to comrades on smuggling routes.

A Syrian minister said Wednesday his country's forces may have mistaken the Turkish plane they shot down for an Israeli one.

Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoebi was quoted as telling Turkish news channel A Haber in a telephone interview Wednesday that his country did "not want a crisis between Turkey and Syria."

Al-Zoebi said Turkish and Israeli fighter jets were mostly U.S.-made, which may have led the Syrian forces to mistake it for an Israeli jet.

Syria insists the Turkish military plane violated its air space on Friday. Turkey says that although the jet had unintentionally strayed into Syria's air space, it was inside international airspace when it was brought down over the Mediterranean by Syria.

The search for two missing pilots was under way in Syrian waters but hopes dimmed for their survival, Turkish authorities said.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/06/28/turkey-deploys-anti-aircraft-guns-at-syria-border.html?ESRC=eb.nl

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"The chief aim of all government is to preserve the freedom of the citizen. His control over his person, his property, his movements, his business, his desires should be restrained only so far as the public welfare imperatively demands. The world is in more danger of being governed too much than too little. It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny. Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation." John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.

War with Turkey to unite the people?

I could see that back firing hard.

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"deeds, not words"

The AA 's are just a couple of stingers , and maybe IHAWK's , nothing much ...

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Doubt anything will happen..

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Turkey can't go to war, it's summer and we have $20-30 billion tourism income at stake. Get real people.

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I wish they would go to war but they likely won't. Islamic regimes like the Turdish and Syrian tend to focus on internal repression and only make an external war when they think the prey is already almost dead.

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Why is vaseline in my sig? Because Turks don't want to read what I post. Hopefully the lube makes it easier for those criminal scum who are such great cry-babies to swallow.

//Doubt anything will happen..//



I reject that assertion!! What ever assertion means.

Maybe rebel spies in the Syrian military will mistakenly open fire towards the turk side of the border..?

Causing aliens to..... aaah never mind!







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Well, I would question the intelligence of any nation that would suddenly go to war without first finding out the source of the "bullet"...

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Lots of other players to think about here, and Russian's reaction to Turkey is important. Plus Iran's future lifeline to their Hizbo is also at stake. Iran will do anything to keep a faithful dictator in charge.

if I was Assad I would do something unexpected instead of being a sitting duck under a ticking time clock. it is certain that the western powers together with Turkey is undermining his rule day by day that will sooner or later bring him a faith like gaddafi or saddam. So why should he sit and wait till shlt hit the fan ? tomorrow he will be weaker than today, so he should do something as soon as possible.

Currently, Russia or China or Iran wouldn't or couldn't intervene the internal problems of Syria, even though those internal conflict was created and supported by external players but a war with another state would be different, it would force them to take sides (at least on the basis of wider support).

Erdo knows that the time is ticking for Assad so he'd prefer to wait his weakening instead of a direct war. So Turkey won't be the one who starts an armed conflict for sure but I suspect it can be Assad. Maybe F4 incident was a part of this, maybe he expected if Turkey attacks him.

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Nicely said.... Why not hit first while you still have control of the military knowing time
is running out.

It really is obvious Assad doesn't have that long before he loses power.

Every time i see a documentary about the first gulf war, i always wonder what the aftermath of the war would
look if Saddam would have struck first before the air war.



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Doubt anything will happen..

Ditto. Neither syria nor turkey has the balls to do anything.

Turkey fancied itself as some sort of power during the Gaza shipment fiasco and their "threats" to china. The syrian crisis is a rude wake up call for them.

So does india bitch talk to china lile huge chicekn sh1t curry n1ggers, and it is funny how indians talk about balz to us when they havent taken back their own stollen lands from the rice head fag chinesey zipper heads.

I'M BORED!!! Has Erdo ordered mighty turk military to avenge the turkish F-4 yet..?


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You sick fag you have wet dreams of war.

So does india bitch talk to china lile huge chicekn sh1t curry n1ggers,

The only 'n1gger' here is you. And are you still wearing that stupid sweater u mental patient? The people who love you are forced to do so because they dont have any other option.

and it is funny how indians talk about balz to us when they havent taken back their own stollen lands from the rice head fag chinesey zipper heads.

Its funny to see the sh1t turks talk about balls when they cant do anything about the uighurs massacred in china or their aircraft shot down by syrians.

Wats the matter, u guys are afraid of china now?

If india cant handle its own probelms with china at all i dont see you dumbe arses having any balz at all or seeing any kind of point in for you retards to talk about balz to turks.
How the fu[k can we retaliat those yellow arse retards from thousands and thousands kilometers away.
For the syria issue they will get weaker with the fsa card stuck up their arses.

//You sick fag you have wet dreams of war.//



It's not my fault you effing turks talk about how big and bad the turk military dick is.

All you do is talk talk talk about how turk military can defeat gayreeks and Jooz, and now that
your fvcking jet gets shot down you back down..? F-YOU!


You turks are like chicks.... get me all worked up and hard and then when it's showtime you get
a fvcking headache... god damn tease!!

I want my poon!! I mean war!!


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Maybe it is jsut their time of the month?

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My Tank is Fight

F-that!!!

Ever since i started coming here all i heard was how effing tough the turks are, and how
they can easily defeat any military in the region because they used to be some half otter half man
empire that ruled the whole region!!

Now i want my turk syrian war, now!!

Come on turks... put your money where your mouth is!!!

You don't wanna be known as a bunch of pussies, do ya..?




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I suggest you go light one up and chillax. Also stay away from the G&T forum as it will either cause you to believe things like the Turks are so powerful - or it will turn you homogay. Also go watch some Battlestar or somefin. :p

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My Tank is Fight

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But i wanna war!!!!!!! And i want it now!!!

I think i am gonna light one up.

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You will feel much better and forget about wars

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My Tank is Fight

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I don't know if i can get war out of my head.... for some reason every time i come
to this military forum i get reminded of war.

I just can't believe all that talk from the turks about their military toughness, was all talk.

I'm sure every non turk WAFF member feels the same way i do, huh?

"They" tricked us into believing they were an awesome military force to be reckon with.












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To be fair he's somewhat correct, Turks here created huge expectations of our military and now that we have an F4 shot down were not doing much about it, to be fair I'm not really in favor of going into that shithole of a country but eh at least hit something back :P There was something about Syrian helicopters getting 4 miles close to the Turkish border and us sending 6 F-16's to bring them down if they got any closer but the helicopters instead turned away...

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Who's Chuck Norris?

I think Turkish war games right at the boarder is in order. As crazy as Iran is, they are always showing their teeth. We need Turk show of power.

//To be fair he's somewhat correct, Turks here created huge expectations of our military and now that we have an F4 shot down were not doing much about it, to be fair I'm not really in favor of going into that shithole of a country but eh at least hit something back :P There was something about Syrian helicopters getting 4 miles close to the Turkish border and us sending 6 F-16's to bring them down if they got any closer but the helicopters instead turned away...//



The first couple of days the turks should have shot down a syrian military aircraft and called it even.

Now it's getting ridiculous on the turk side with all this chest thumping but no action... At least do something!!


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Erdodo the clown did ask for an apology you know.


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Tu dhoop hain jham se bikhar
Tu hai nadee o bekhabar
Beh chal kahin ud chal kahin
Dil khush jahan teri toh manzil hai wahin.

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And he hasn't gotten one yet..... Attack already, turkey!!



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"As crazy as Iran is, they are always showing their teeth."

If india cant handle its own probelms with china at all i dont see you dumbe arses having any balz at all or seeing any kind of point in for you retards to talk about balz to turks.

India is not in a state of war or aggression with china you moron. The chinese killed uighurs, why should we bother if the chinese did some pest control exercise?

How the fu[k can we retaliat those yellow arse retards from thousands and thousands kilometers away.

You could not have retaliated against them if they were 10 feet away. Your country is a bunch of loud-mouth losers living in the past. Like elwapo said, you are a bunch of half-man and half-otters.

For the syria issue they will get weaker with the fsa card stuck up their arses.

currently it is turkey that has 2 downed F-16s stuck up thei arse. Bloody cowards and pu$$ies.

@elwapo - that was the comment of the week you made, half-otter, hal-man empire. ROFLOL!!!!!

You turks suck!!!

I guess i'll be putting away my popcorn.

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Strong as A....Turk-ey?





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